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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+91Funny how they tried to cover it up and say he assaulted the police........till the video surfaced. It's disgusting to see how often police officers cover up blatant wrong-doings. Lucky for them, they're still alive after the incidents.
- Pixelante, on 10/10/2007, -4/+57Who's this innocent man and where does he live? Can I make $70000 a year too if I beat him up? Or do I have to find someone new to beat up?
- kaelyiesta, on 10/10/2007, -3/+49To protect and serve (themselves). Why is it the people of toronto get to front this bill when so few of them(I hope) would support this guy. If I saw some guy beating up an innocent man, and someone later asked me to give that man some money I'd tell them to go ***** themselves.
- Kniggit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32Police who are given the power of the "benefit of the doubt" in the absence of other witnesses that betray that public trust should get automatic life imprisonment for it when there is incontrovertible evidence of said wrong doing, no matter how bad the crime.
- xTRUMANx, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27"We need police, dont forget that. Dont let a few spoil the whole bunch."
But why do the whole bunch protect the spoiled few? It's ridiculous. If my friend committed a serious crime, I say he deserves what's coming to him and I am not going to lie to protect him. - jmpeagle, on 10/10/2007, -10/+33If he is so innocent, then how come he's black? Nice try trying to fool us. Buried.
- Battleloser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18You're not allowed to make that joke anymore.
- Jeffler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17...which is nearly equal to the US dollar.
- dvdmations, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Sooooo he assaulted the guy, awaits trial for 2 years, meanwhile chilling and earning his salary
... and the system works, how? - Kniggit, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16This story is unfortunately completely unsurprising. The police here in Canada are at least as out of control as others perceive the US police to be.
Check out the story of Mike "Former Chief of Police's Son who can't control himself" Wasylyshen tasering helpless people: http://www.injusticebusters.com/05/Tasers.shtml
And this Freedom of the Press moment where cops wiretapped two reporters without their knowing to find the name of an informant: http://www.caj.ca/news/news-archives/98_june16_wire.html
Or bribery scandals involving photo radar contracts: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/06/656.asp
Also quite unfortunate is that this is becoming far more common everywhere, including Canada, than people think. - anarchytv, on 10/10/2007, -10/+21we need cops? really? what are they protecting you from? if someone is going to commit a 'crime' against you, they are going to do it, and there's not to going to be a cop around you to protect you.
cops only come up after the fact, responding to telephone calls through their radio, for the purpose of profitting off of locking someone up. their system makes $35,000 a year per body for everyone they can successfully prosecute for anything, and lock up, so yeah they are gung ho and all to willing to get their hands on someone they can paint as 'criminal'. because with federal mandatory minimums, they can easily get 5, 10, and 10+ year convictions, which is a buttload of money. what other system, can you arrest a worthless bum on the street committing some petty crime, and bill the taxpayer for it invisibly and make $300,000 off of him!
if you can't make that call, or if there's nobody around to arrest, they really can't or won't do anything further. say you come home from work and your entire house has been robbed. its a property crime, which they don't care much about, and what are they going to do? your stuff is gone. or your car gets stolen and ends up in a chop shop. gone. or someone attacks you, and then leaves, and you don't know their name. forget it. gone. - mbrane, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I agree that this cop deserves due process like everybody else; but if he is found guilty after all the appeals have been exhausted, how about sending him a bill for the salary he was collecting while the process was being dragged out to his advantage?
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11We need police so much that it is absolutely vital that they are held up to standards. Punish the idiots, can't get fairer than that. Abuse of power is not acceptable and is as bad as the crime in the first place.
Personally the police have never been of any use to me. Several times they've been called upon and response has not been in a reasonable time frame and I had to deal with the situation myself. - BelXul, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10I agree that there needs to be an enforced penalty against police and State's attorneys who falsify evidence or testimony to secure a conviction.
- hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Yea, cops love doing that know. If they are beating you and you try to protect yourself. They say you assaulted them by lifting your hand to block your face from their fist. Oh here is another one. Cops shoot you, say they saw a gun. That's all they have to say to get off. You don't have to have a gun, they just have to say their lives are in danger. To me that sets a dangerous precedent that a cop in uniform's life is more important than yours. Like that 50 shot wedding day shooting here in queens NY. Now those cops are saying the case needs to be thrown out cause "we saw a gun". Folks at the scene say that was a lie. The cops say they identified themselves. Found out that was a lie too. If 4 guys approached me in plain clothing with guns drawn I would be ***** bricks. Now the 2 survivors can testify about what really happened. What if there were no survivors. Would the lies have stuck?
Now here is the best part. The victims were on a local radio show and while they were on, NYPD kept calling up the station trying to get them off the air. Threatening the victims and their lawyers. Arresting the victims in restaurants, arresting friends and family for no ***** reason. Oh man, NYPD is priceless. They really give a bad name to cops. Even if 5 percent of cops are dirty that's too ***** much. They have abused their power and we need some checks but I doubt that will happen. Cops are here to protect and serve the system around them, not the people. That get their orders from politicians, very ***** dangerous. That's why we need Sheriffs again, the head law officer of a city or county should be elected. And he should have authority over all other law officers. Right now the political appointees give their power. Bring back the Sheriff. - kllewy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I saw the video, and it doesn't matter "what kind of person" Jama Jama is.....the cop came flying in on him, and clocked him hard and kept on going. Jama Jama was standing beside a car doing nothing, especially not assaulting the police as they claimed initially (it was only later when someone came forward with the video that they retracted their claim). your comment is ridiculous.
- taward, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8That's because they are SUPPOSED to do their jobs. You don't get kudos for doing things that are expected of you.
News: Pummeling an innocent man in a parking lot and then lying about it to until someone releases a tape of the incident. Then getting convicted of it and spending your "punishment" at home getting paid.
Not news: All those other times you didn't pummel an innocent man in a parking lot and then lie about it until someone releases a tape of the incident. Then get convicted and spend your "punishment" at home getting paid.
So yea, it 'aint news, because it shouldn't be. - Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Lemme guess. You or a relative is a cop.
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8OK, explain how he is wrong.
- tearor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10The whole concept of law enforcement is good,,or was good, but now it has spiraled so out of control, it is feared by most the people it was designed to serve.
- MasterChi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Yes we need cops but they should really get proper training, background checks before hiring them, some psychiatric classes to ensure they aren't overly violent or prone to abuse the very law they have to uphold, and then more training. Proper training never hurt anyone.
Also your missing the point of this story. We need cops but do we need to continue paying a cop after he abused his powers and assualted a man and even was convicted of it? - TheAkolyte, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7"Because something that happens 99.9999% of the time isn't news."
Tell that to my wife. - Deliman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10The scary thing is, this happens all the time and I would imagine no more than 1 in every 1000 instances actually get justice.
- MarsSentinel, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Wrong. It should read: Don't blame The Police. Blame the policeman. We have to hold cops INDIVIDUALLY responsible for their actions. This cop lives somewhere. He shops and eats at restaurants, he has kids who play softball. He and his family should be TOTALLY shunned. No friends-over-for-beers, no coaching the little league team, no friendly chatter at church. We can't control The Police, but we can make the policemen who are in fact criminals with badges feel the results of their crimes.
- evilregis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Pissing on doorhandles is more effective in the winter up in these parts.
- idc5, on 10/10/2007, -7/+14a lot of N.W.A. songs are popping up in my mind
- earthforce1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8And the mayor of Toronto is complaining the city is broke and demanding a staggering amount of new taxes..
He had recently spent millions bailing out a failing theatre company, and was planning to spend a few mil renovating his office. (Got shelved when his tax grap was defeated) And that is only the tip of the iceburg. Why they would even contemplate wasting money like this during a financial crisis is beyond the pale. I wish we could just dismantle the entire gov't and start over from scratch. - techik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6You forget that the poor guy would have been deported and added to list of immigrants who commit crimes. Ever wonder how many people deported forever might have just not had the luck of having the incident video taped and were innocent.
- Herbigradus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Great, I'm moving to Toronto in a little under a month. I was expecting this kind of ***** from what I've heard though. the only experience with the Toronto police I have had was extremely negative, they beat the crap out of this young guy at a convention just because they couldn't stop all the other convention goers from partying in a hotel. Took him out back in an alley and gave it to him. The only small revenge we had on them was someone pissed all over the handles of their cruiser while they were in the hotel. All my other experiences with police and RCMP in Canada have been very pleasant.
- Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Yeah, but most professions don't get issued weapons before they are sent out in public.
- Battleloser, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Thats alot of text without a funny.
- blogspinner, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This is by no means new in Toronto nor other parts of Southern Ontario. I grew up in a town full of racist cops. I also lived in Toronto on and off since the late 60s and am convinced that many cops there are also racists. In the 80s, I saw cops mistreat young black men at bars, but they also mistreated a tough-as-nails Scottish friend of mine who dressed in drag for Hallowe'en 1989 (90?). He got mugged by two guys coming out of one of our hangouts. He was by himself and beat up both guys who tried to steal his girlfriend's purse (I said he was tough). All three were dragged into the station by 52 Division (the nastiest cops in Toronto). The cops settled the issue and told all three to go. My buddy then made the mistake of saying, "How does it feel to be beaten up by a drag queen." (I said he was tough, not bright.) The cops sent the muggers home then kicked the ***** out my buddy. But he gave them what for as well. He's tangled with 52 Division many times, simply because he doesn't tolerate jackasses mistreating other people but the cops always get him. I don't want to make this long, but I collected many, many stories of cops mistreating people in Ontario, and even had my own unpleasant encounters. I know enough to keep my mouth shut. (Except here.)
- ThinkBox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6that's like twice what I get paid for beating up the homeless and selling the tapes... man.. i need a better marketing depo.
- duke, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Paid for doing what??? How exactly did he earn an "entitlement" to $70K of taxpayer money whether he works or not, and how do the rest of us sign up?
Thank you unions [/sarcasm]!! - Fullvinyl, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Well, you obviously know the "truth" of the matter, so please, enlighten us savages. Proof of Said Jama Jama's character and the "lot more video" you referenced would be nice.
- yorchris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Being a Free Mason has its perks- just ask most of the TO police... Since most of the judges are Masons too this New World Order cop will probably get off... Wake up people. We have to fight this
- BelXul, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Let me be absolutely clear on this issue. I will not participate in enabling the next step towards one government running one world. I will not jump on any bandwagon headed that direction. I WILL do anything within my power to either hold it off, or turn that trend around. If the European Union is so much of a threat, then tell me, why is it that the European Constitution was defeated soundly? Why is it that the new effort to introduce said constitution under another name is facing mass opposition from people all across Europe? I'll tell you why. Those people also do not want their sovereign nation to become a mere state in a new empire.
- MarsSentinel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Police work attracts a certain kind of person: punks who want to harass and beat up on people, but who are afraid of getting caught. I have more respect for actual thieves and killers, men with the actual ballz to act on their desires, than for cops who do the same deeds but hide behind the color of law. If you know a cop you know a criminal.
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7comment system sucks!
- Battleloser, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Yes, it does. Because this is NORMAL behaviour for police, it just happened to be caught on tape this time.
- duke, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I agree with due process, but I don't see how due process includes being paid a salary when you aren't working. Due process means you get a fair trial.
- shanimal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6One incident? How about one of the FIRST incidents: ever heard of Rodney King? It's no secret that some people (albeit, not all) abuse the power they're given. It's the nature of man, sadly. I've come to the sad realization that corruption will happen no matter who's in charge, but at least take proper action against those that do currupt the system and abuse the laws in the name of "saftey." There's no defense for what this guy did, and absolutely no excuse that with the blatant evidence against him that he should be sitting home racking up $67,000 a year.
Waiting for an appeal (***** judicial system.... but that's a whole 'nother story). - Battleloser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I want the courts to stop giving the reach around to crooked cops, hurry this the ***** up and THEN put him in jail.
- hobonetweaver, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You hit the nail on the head. It's true there are bad people in all professions, but when bad people become cops, then you have a bad person issued a firearm, a taser, mace, the right to use these things, the right to arrest anyone they please, charge them with whatever they please, make up any story to explain it... and if they make a mistake or do something inappropriate, it's for the courts to sort out many months later (paid for by the defendant/victim of mean-tempered role-crazy cop). There should be a ZERO-TOLERANCE policy for cop *****. One *****-up like this and a person should never be allowed to be a cop again. It is crap cops likes this that ruin the public's respect of our entire law enforcement system.
- Kniggit, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6The foremost issue is why he hasn't had his pay suspended. Even if they didn't fire him outright (which better damned well happen if his conviction is held up after exhausting all appeals), there should be sufficient cause to revoke his pay because of this conviction.
Also, this has nothing to do with being "American" because many Americans are speaking out against the current abuses down there. That's what makes America so damned great. - Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You won't get a reply from the fascist.
- sabach, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5And your background as a peace officer is....? I was one for 8 years and I can tell you for certain that they cover each other's asses routinely.
- Acewrap, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I wish I could bury you in quicksand.
- Leo420, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6This has been a sad truth in Toronto these past few years... I have very close friends who have been assaulted by the police for nothing more than looking different and being a bit drunk (It was Victoria Day, who isn't?)....
Some police in Toronto have very much taken on a "Beat First, Charge the bugger later" mentality, and it scares me... I live in Toronto and LOVE it... The people (other than the minority of cops that are causing bad stuff, there are lots of great cops still) are awesome... The food is amazing... The life that can be led here is 2nd to none... But ever since Bill Blair took command of the force, it seems like the 50's style of police beatings being "cool" amongst officers is back... Makes me wonder how much longer before all our freedoms are given up to "protect our society" from the %1 of people doing bad things... - duke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sure they can do that - what are the odds he'll pay?
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