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College student killed by Hamas' rockets

jpost.com — A college student was killed and a few other injured after a Kassam rocket fired from the Gaza Strip hit the grounds of Sapir College in the western Negev. The rocket was one of a barrage of six rockets fired towards Sderot and the Negev area. A total of 16 rockets were fired today by Hamas.

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  • ueadave, on 02/28/2008, -74/+18Don't you ever get tired of submitting your propaganda? Buried.
    • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -8/+53Report about Israeli death = propaganda. Got it.
      • jmpeagle, on 02/28/2008, -2/+13to him, there is no Israel...just occuppied Palestine
        • AQMessiah, on 02/28/2008, -16/+7...and to you there's no Palestine, just Israel. Come on people, there's two sides to the story. Stop pretending you don't see the other half!
        • OwdenBowden, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7I don't see the other half as Israel is the rightful Land Owner.
          The Jews were the First Settlers in this section of the world (for thousands of years) until they were displaced several times. Now that Israel (mostly Jewish state but has welcomed all faithed as well as all people to take part in their government and country - to live free and prosper) is the controlling government of this area - also the rightful owners - then I do not see any type of "Palestinian and or Palestinians" as they do not and have not ever has a "HOMELAND" as these people are part of a nomadic tribe of Arabs (basically the bottom of the barrel) who have only a recent history (less than 100 years - first in Egypt, then In Jordan and now in Israel) who have a place which was given to them to call their own by the United Nations called JORDAN. However they pulled the same crap in Jordan and the king of Jordan leveled the land that was given to them.

          So once again - There is no such thing a Palestinians.
      • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -4/+3Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip today, local medics say.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm
        • OwdenBowden, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6LINKIN2 - For one second would you consider the fact that if these Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbola and other terrorist people-organizations did not start hostile acts (like blowing up bus's, cafes, markets and sending rockets into another country - which is not doing anything hostile to you) Then these very same people would not have anyone hurt or killed because there would be no reason for any conflict?

          With the above in mind - I think that these four "Palestinian" children that were killed ONLY HAVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO BLAME for their death.
          • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 02/28/2008, -4/+0beautiful logic - by that same rationale, if the israelis didn't massacre entire villages and bulldoze the homes to make way for settlements, there would be no reason to to attack them. the dead israelis have THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO BLAME for their death.
          • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5"didn't massacre entire villages and bulldoze the homes to make way for settlements," - reputable source?
            none? thought so.
      • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 02/28/2008, -4/+1digging up one israel death while digging down linkin's comment about palestinian deaths = propoganda
    • czman, on 02/28/2008, -6/+41you use that word "propaganda". I do not think it means what you think it means.
      • notque, on 02/28/2008, -4/+3He used it perfectly fine. I don't see the issue or error.
        • tooker, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5You didn't get the reference? Inconceivable!
      • OwdenBowden, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3Stop with the rhymes
    • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -11/+42If you report a Palestinian death, you're fighting for peace.
      If you report an Israeli death, you're a SOAB posting propaganda.
      I get it.
      • AQMessiah, on 02/28/2008, -9/+7You don't get it. The Palestinian deaths aren't reported, are they...
        I'm for peace for all but because the Palestinians are Muslims the media tends not to care much about them.
        (You can digg me down but in the end it's an unbiased and honest observation)
        • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -5/+8I'm not digging you down. I only digg posts that make nonsense or are offending in anyway or just play wrong.
          I really don't see how the palestinian deaths aren't reported. I mean, what about the "Palestinians die in a ratio of "9:1" " argument that all the anti zionists say (which is very logic, seeing how Israel has one of the best equipped armies in the world, and the palestinians are terrorists) ?
          I believe that this proves that they are indeed reported.
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -20/+8meanwhile 100 Palestinian kids died by american made weapons.
      • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -5/+7what does it matter where the guns are made when their own fathers, brothers and uncles are putting the kids in front of them as human shields. They should be living in the jungle with all the other animals.
      • tehxen3, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7They are killed because of actions of their terrorist government Hamas.
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -4/+4http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm

      Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip, local medics say.
    • OwdenBowden, on 02/28/2008, -0/+4These Koranimals (Palestinians, and the like that use Islam as their guide [a religion that cames way way after Judao/Christian religion]) are going to be the Death of us all. Wake up people. They lie. They use children as human shields. They star conflicts that they cannot finish. They support terrorism and terrorist. They reward Terrorism and beat Education. They are already the death of us all and still we cannot see through this PR campaign initiated by the Koranimals against Israel and Jews in general. Well. The Jews didn't kill Jesus. They are not the rulers of the world. They don't have all the money and power; they are not the devil; and they are not the instigators of these conflicts. The Koranimals are!

      The Nation of Israel can Eradicate all of these people who call themselves "Palestinians" at any point in time. But they do not because they actually use their brains; and they have created a government that accepts and allows all to participate.
  • SharonItai, on 02/28/2008, -17/+81The IAF targets 5 terrorists who were involved in hostilities. Hamas responds by firing rockets at a school. Yes I think we should totally negotiate with hamas (sarcasm)
    • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -8/+29Notice the picture in the article - see where the rocket launch is coming from. That by itself should say everything about Hamas.
      • Iconoclast25, on 02/28/2008, -2/+20All I see is some hulk on the side of a road and two photos of some moslem funeral procession . . . what am I missing here?
        • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -5/+16I think I was mistaken, and the picture is in the Ynet article.
    • Insightful, on 02/28/2008, -5/+6"Most Israelis back direct talks with Hamas on Shalit"
      http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/958473.html

      So sometimes it is OK to talk with Hamas and sometimes not?
      • neocognitism, on 02/28/2008, -14/+5Good find. You see, all the "pro-Israeli" diggers here are anything but. The only pro- they are is pro-war. These extremist diggers support the ultanationalist factions like the Likud, who are in turn supported by only a small minority of the Israeli population. So when these extremists claim they represent Israel, in reality they don't. In point of fact, they MISrepresent Israel. Furthermore, their agenda is destructive to both Israel AND America, and THEY KNOW THIS, but they don't care, because they are fever-driven zealots. It sounds ironic, but the reality is you and I are FAR more pro-Israel, AND pro-America, than any of this troupe. This troupe is a really just a group of outright traitors, to our country, and to Israel. They are the tail wagging the dog of perceived Israeli opinion, which is born out by the article you cite, and the rhetoric you can find in this submission.

        It's sad, but this group of extremists is really antisemitic in how they argue and how they represent themselves. But they won't see it, because it doesn't fit in with their chickenhawk agenda.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6You know, as long as you insist on repeating yourself while adding nothing relevant to the actual article, it would save you a lot of time to have a few paragraphs ready to copy and paste.
      • Beveridge89, on 02/28/2008, -3/+8I don't really see your point. The Israeli people of course want peace, of course they don't want missles fired at them they don't want to have to deal with Gazas inhabitants, and they don't like one of their defenders having to endure any more time held hostage. But thats all in the short term, when any good government should be concerned with the long term.

        A peace right now, with a group without the best track record for maintaining them that thinks it can get its way by attacking them, will not bring a lasting peace. It would be unwise for the Israeli government to start negotiations when the prospect of long term progress is not there.
    • eclipse007, on 02/28/2008, -15/+161 Israeli dead, 17 Palestinians including an infant dead:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7268085.stm

      Israeli justice!!
      • Revolution101, on 02/28/2008, -15/+9Israeli soldiers kill kids all the time. Even younger than college aged kids.
      • jodokast, on 02/28/2008, -9/+6Israel really needs to revise their definition of "collateral damage".
      • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -3/+11Didn't you read the paragraph?
        "A string of Israeli air raids targetted Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip on Thursday morning. In one attack, Hamza al-Haya, son of a prominent hardline leader in the Gaza Strip, Khalil al-Haya, was killed along with a fellow militant."
        Why were they firing from a urban zone? What did they expect? Should we just let them keep shooting at us because they are hiding among civilians?
        If they hide among civilians, it's THEIR fault. We're not going to let them keep firing at us.
        • DreadPirate, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2Urik - Idiots like Yellow will allow Hamas to get away with anything as long as it is against israel. Him and his ilk never bother to concern themselves with the fact that Hamas is firing from civilian neighborhoods. They just want israel to stop attacking and think everything will be better then. Never mind the fact that Hamas has a track record of breaking nearly every cease fire they "agree" to.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7What's justice got to do with it?
  • PAmit, on 02/28/2008, -15/+58This is no propaganda man!!! this is how we live here!!
    • moolaismyfriend, on 02/28/2008, -24/+11Move then.
      • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -10/+9Oh ya and let a bunch of rabid animals that will desecrate and destroy a beautiful country and eventually strap bombs to their bodies and kill themselves take over...great idea!
      • chillout89, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9There were more then 40 rockets fired that day just at Sderot. Some at my base. So if you any of you think its propaganda and/or is justified you're invited to stay here for a week to feel what its like.
    • yellowcakewalk, on 02/28/2008, -19/+11Did the Palestinians invite you to move to Palestine? Answer please. And please spare me the "my imaginary friend in the sky GAVE palestine to me."
      • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -9/+5Invite? Animals don't invite. Humans invite.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8I'm pretty sure he was born in Israel.
        Did anyone invite you to post here?
    • neocognitism, on 02/28/2008, -18/+7Then give them back their land and move out of range. As it is, it's only 2/year. I think people who live in Detroit would love to live where you are at.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10Nice morals you got there.
      • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10But hey, he's "actually pro-Israeli". Just so long as Israel doesn't exist anymore, that is.
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -7/+3Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip, local medics say.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm
    • ecacofonix, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1@PAmit - I presume you are from Israel and so I ask you: You place such a high emphasis on your religion and god, but will your actions please your God? Does you religion teach you to screw people who invited you as guests? Does your religion teach you to cheat those very people who trusted you to be their friends and gave you land and shelter to prosper? Does you God tell you that if a Hitler screws you, go and kill the Arabs and take their land but leave your aggressor alone? Does you God tell you that it is all right for you to do whatever you want to do, kill, maim, cheat and massacre people in order to follow your God's words? Think folks, if the world thinks that Shylock epitomises Jews, I can't see why the world should be blamed if this is the way you treat your benefactors to achieve your materialistic pursuits.
  • redcosmic, on 02/28/2008, -7/+51Sderot isn't even contested land... It's been part of Israel since it's independence, way before '67 and the contested territories.
    • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -4/+32It's contested... by Hamas.
    • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -8/+43According to Hamas, all land is Muslim.
      • DanThePainter, on 02/28/2008, -6/+29As well as the waters and the sky.
        • SampleX, on 02/28/2008, -5/+21According to Muslims, all land is Allah's - it's either in their possession, or awaiting reposession, and once possessed it is a shameful thing to relinquish it to the infidel and the kafir. Isn't it amazing how Islamic Jihad sounds so much like 'apartheid.'
          But then... look at what they did to non-Muslims... those that they didn't kill, the idiot Mohammedans run around the place claiming that good old Momo let them live in peace... yeah, right... if peace involves being humiliated publicly by your conquering overlords, and being forced to pay a tax, or suffer death, the tax being so high that it often forced mass migration away from the Mohammedan regions... Ah yes... the good old gracious moon god of Arabia, amalgamated with stolen legends of distant gods... There's something so original... and noble... about that ancient cult.
          • rhabd0mancer, on 02/28/2008, -13/+5And the jews, as "God's chosen people", believe that all of Israel is theirs.

            If any goyim have to die in order to fulfill God's wishes, then so be it.
          • scorchedearth, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6Read more history. You haven't studied any by the looks of it.
          • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -1/+5'And the jews, as "God's chosen people", believe that all of Israel is theirs.' - Ancient Israel includes most of what is today Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Show me one sane Jew who claims ownership to all these lands.

            90% of Israelis never wanted more than what they had, 80%+ supported a complete withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank (before the rockets started falling on them).
            The 10% who want Gaza and the West Bank want it mostly to revenge the attempted genocides committed by the Palestinians - most of them are willing to let go of this demand for true peace.
          • Soofi, on 03/02/2008, -0/+2I am a muslim, and I can confirm that everything does indeed belong to God. Everything else in your post however is false and cannot be backed up by any credible evidence. If you have any integrity and would like to debate the topic, just send me a shout, I am waiting.

            Cheers.
        • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6come on now, you forgot the air! how could you!
  • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -8/+48Notice the launch picture in the article. The plume goes back straight to the launch point...in the MIDDLE OF A CIVILIAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
    Hamas governance at its best. The people before everything.
  • czman, on 02/28/2008, -10/+43Update: arround 40 kasams rockets fired today. 1 dead (at the sapir collage) many injured. rockets were fired at the barzily hospital in Ashkelon.

    as if firing at civilian targets from civilien population was not enough - now hey are targeting hospitals.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3512047, ...
    • notque, on 02/28/2008, -5/+2They are being annexed by settlement. They are occupied and annexed which is against the Geneva conventions.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6I must have missed that part in the conventions that notes it's a-ok to fire at hospitals.
        Defending the indefensible much?


        BTW Gaza was never annexed, and it is not occupied.
    • chillout89, on 02/28/2008, -4/+1I hardly believe they can actually target those locations. They just set the rockets up in a certain direction and fire it away. The technology of those rockets isn't advanced enough for such aim.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6The rockets that hit the hospital and the city of Ashkelon are proper military rockets - GRAD, smuggled into through Egypt or the Mediterranean. They're not extremely accurate (errors to about 1% of the range) but if you fire enough you'll hit what you aim for eventually. They're using Google Earth to find the azimuth and range.
        They still aim at cities and other civilian population centers with the Qassam rockets, those are made in the strip and are much less accurate. That's why they fire so many of them.
      • hmemcpy, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5That's exactly the problem. Those rockets are simply metal pipes (which should have been used to fix the sewer system) filled with shrapnel to maximize casualties (which is a war crime by itself). They have no guidance systems, and therefore considered an indiscriminate fire. The fact it hadn't landed in a middle of a school classroom filled with kids (yet) is a nothing short of a miracle.
  • onetimer, on 02/28/2008, -18/+38"more bLOwback for those Je--, err, Zionists inVading and stEaling land aND oPPressIng the Palestinian peoples!!!"

    /run-of-the-mill digg bigot


    • DevilInPgh, on 02/28/2008, -8/+19Yeah, I do have to wonder where Neo-Bigot and his acolytes are.
      • neocognitism, on 02/28/2008, -15/+4I'm right here, you sick antisemite, and you're the bigot, not me. You never did bring your proof and explain it, you coward. You've earned the title of antisemite AND antigentile, in one fell swoop. Nice job.

        I thought you and onetimer were the same person. Do you just have sex?
        • Beveridge89, on 02/28/2008, -2/+3I can understand why you'd confuse the two: they are both filled with the same jew-evil, really whats the point in trying to tell the difference?
        • notque, on 02/28/2008, -5/+4Dude, Don't let them ***** bait you. Calm down, and react to people other than them. You sound like a ***** moron when you respond to them, and you're not. So don't let it happen.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+6Dude, notque just said you sound like a ***** moron.
    • tehxen3, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6You forgot to add: Vote Ron Paul.
    • MsAntiSunshine, on 02/28/2008, -0/+9But, but, onetimer, they're only throwing rocks! Harmless little Palestinians. This is all *propaganda*. Don't you see that?

      /Sarcasm
  • hydroplane, on 02/28/2008, -20/+7Your mom goes to college
    • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -3/+12she did before she was killed by Hamas, *****.
  • drgmdp, on 02/28/2008, -7/+211 death is 1 death too many
    • jmpeagle, on 02/28/2008, -13/+1or a good start, depending on your perspective
  • SampleX, on 02/28/2008, -11/+18As I always say, the only good Jihadist is a dead Jihadist. I'll never get tired of counting the bodies on that score....
    • rnwen2750, on 02/28/2008, -9/+4Wow. That sounds remarkably like a little slogan from the US's infancy.
  • sigg14, on 02/28/2008, -22/+12FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!
    • Debby333, on 02/28/2008, -8/+25You got Gaza Strip, It's yours,
      & see what happened, you are fighting against YOURSELF!!!!
      & blame others..
      • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -4/+7so let them kill themselves. there should be a reality show taped over there called "hakim al ben shahikaka mohammed beats his daughter/wife al-sed"
    • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -4/+9you're free! now go away.
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/28/2008, -4/+11FREE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR RECTUM!!!
  • BaronVonZ, on 02/28/2008, -16/+30Jewish college student gets killed and the story gets less then 100 diggs. What a shock.
    • jmpeagle, on 02/28/2008, -5/+23when was the last time the death of a Palestinian got more than 100 diggs? The only deaths that make the front page are celebrities, darwin awards, and extremely weird ones such as the one currently on the front page from dying from kinky sex.
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -3/+5Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip today, local medics say.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm
  • victorypup, on 02/28/2008, -4/+8Order another ship load of D9's.
  • PatNolan, on 02/28/2008, -13/+17The religion of peace at it again...
    • neptunebk, on 02/28/2008, -16/+10Yet the religion of Israel is allowed to bomb numerous and kill so much people on a daily basis. Once the opposite side attacks them, its all hell break lose. The jews are reporting that they suffered so much blah blah blah...
      • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -5/+101. israel isn't a religion you stupid *****
        2. let's see 6 million arabs die needlessly and then we'll talk about suffering...its too bad because at least those 6 million would've made something out of their lives and contributed to the world in a good way...too bad i can't say the same about you guys.
    • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -6/+4yeah, those muzzies should use cluster bombs instead
      http://www.forward.com/articles/back-bill-to-ban-c ...
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -6/+4Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip today, local medics say.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm
      • PatNolan, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1well, what can I say -- that's a good start.
  • moolaismyfriend, on 02/28/2008, -31/+23Man, you steal some peoples land and they fight back. What do you expect?
    • stfucupcake, on 02/28/2008, -20/+12Exactly. WTF is up with blind support of everything israel does? Jewish arrogance and aggressiveness in the region is the root of the problem.
      • Beveridge89, on 02/28/2008, -2/+10Sorry, you slipped up. You meant Israeli arrogance and agression i'm sure, because obviously you're just anti-zionist, not anti-semitic.
        • stfucupcake, on 02/28/2008, -5/+2Ouch. Yes, let me amend that statement. I don't blame all Jews for the actions of the artificially created, terrorist nation of Israel.
          • Zacktopia, on 02/28/2008, -1/+2I don't think "artificial" was a known concept at the time of Moses and his followers. The evolution from kingdom to democratic state was a natural process.
          • czman, on 02/29/2008, -2/+1backpedaling is fun, ain't it?

            "artificially created"

            it's a part of the UN. it's as artificial as the USA, australia or any other member of the UN.

            "I don't blame all Jews for the actions"

            sure you don't it was just a laps, a typo, a Freudian slip. wasn't it?




    • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -2/+9Steal?
      People always forget about the fact that Israel was given by the British Mandate and approved by the UN.
      Why is that?
      • Cayfox, on 02/28/2008, -9/+4I don't remember the UN approving the current borders, and it's all Israel's western allies can do to keep the UN off their backs. And I fail to see how one colonial power handing over control of the territory to another is a legitimate transfer. The British were supposed to be merely the custodians of the region following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

        Well, I suppose the King David Hotel bombing showed them what their support was worth...
        • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -2/+8The UN approved the partition plan. The current borders were made after Israel won the independence war. You lose, you may get conquered.
          And yeah I know the resolution 242 of the UN. But it was made in the 67, and anyway it talks about the offensive side. Israel was the defensive side.
          Also, back in 1948, Israel didn't have the support of USA. In fact, USA was a bit against it because it wanted to a friend of the Arab countries and get their support on the cold war. I don't see why and how USA could have manipulated the UN to approve the partition plan.
          And the King David Hotel bombing was made by the Irgun, a TERRORIST organization not related to the Hagana (the IDF of today). And yeah Menachem Begin was a commander in that organization. But if you read his biography, you would know that he was against that terrorist attack.
          • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6Not to mention that King David Hotel was a military facility (the British command), so attacking it does not constitute terrorism. Also, the British killed far more Israelis (how about their car bombs in Ben Yehuda st.?)
          • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -2/+5The King David Hotel aso received phone calls prior to the attack alerting people to leave it. It was common practice at the time, and the IRA later on adopted it, I seem to recall.

        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7Well, as far as the border with the Gaza Strip is concerned - the UN did approve it.
          But we've been hearing the same rhetoric since before the territories were occupied, so it's kind of hard to accept that the borders are truly the problem. As Hamas and their local supporters yellowcakewalk et al will tell you, Israel shouldn't even exist.
    • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7If by "steal" you mean "buy", then I would expect something else.
      But according to Hamas et al, a purchase of Muslim land by a Jew is a void deal, so in their opinion the land is stolen and occupied. Like someone smart said - Can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
    • Zacktopia, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Although Palestine is land stolen from ancient Jewish kingdoms, most Jews do not accuse the Palestinians of theft. The Arabs in that region were, however, in possession of stolen land. A small portion of that was returned to the Jews, and the Jews were willing to accept the deal. Not so the Palestinians and their vast cheering section. Their all or nothing approach to the situation has not worked out very well for them. Most unfortunate choice, but they don't seem to want it any other (more peaceful) way.
  • PURPLEDRINK, on 02/28/2008, -14/+4who cares?
  • lordenlil, on 02/28/2008, -10/+21While this is a terrible tragedy, I cannot help but point out that there are many innocent civilians being killed on the Gazan side of the border. Whether you would like to shift the blame on Israel or Hamas, or a combination of both, it doesn't change the tragedy of the loss of innocent human life. My sole issue with this article is it's sub-textual suggestion that this life was in a way 'more innocent' because it was a college student on the Israeli side of the border. Innocence is innocence and death is death. Any combination thereof is tragedy.
    • czman, on 02/28/2008, -8/+19while I agree that innocent lives are being lost on both side, you should be aware that there is some moral difference between deliberately targeting civilians and targeting armed fighters operating from within civilian population.
      • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -7/+5there is also a difference between the actions of the occupier and the occupied.
    • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6This life was no more innocent, but the person who fired the weapon that ended it did so with the intent of harming civilian life, unlike the deaths on the Gazan side.
  • chi1thook, on 02/28/2008, -3/+6I'm confused, is this a new story or a replay from last week?
    • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -6/+3Welcome to Jewish Propaganda.
      • czman, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1welcome mr anti-Semite. I've been expecting you.
  • ecacofonix, on 02/28/2008, -21/+14Hamas is not the nicest organization in the world, but then if you invite some people as your guests and they take away your home and chuck you out, very few people in the world will be nice guys...I predict that Jews will start moving out of Israel in the next 10 years and the land of Israel will belong to its rightful owners - the Arabs within the next 20.

    I may not like the Arab militants and many of their actions, but come on, it's their land, don't cheat them out of it by force
    • dartmanx, on 02/28/2008, -8/+19I predict that you are an idiot.
      The Isrealis have been there for over 50 years, and haven't left yet. What in the world makes you think they will leave now besides wishful thinking? When even the hot girls in a country sling automatic weapons, you can say they are just SLIGHTLY committed.
      • pattink, on 02/28/2008, -4/+3Hot girls may pack heat in Israel, but some Palestinians blow themselves up. Now THAT is commitment.
    • hmemcpy, on 02/28/2008, -5/+17"...and the land of Israel will belong to its rightful owners - the Arabs"..

      To which I have to say: LOLWUT?
      • ecacofonix, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1When some of your guests push you and your family out and take your house for themselves, you can still say: LOLWUT.

        Israel's first PM David Ben Gurion had more sense than you when he said, "What is important to us because our god said so need not be important to people whose god is not our god."
    • johngrisham, on 02/28/2008, -3/+7no i totally agree with you...it'll be like an awesome reality show, all the jews will leave and we can all make bets on how many days it takes before the place looks like a desolate pile of ***** like it did before the jews arrived 60 years ago and created a successful infrastructure quicker than an other country ever has (and that's a fact)
    • StarlessKnight, on 02/28/2008, -2/+10In which case, Americans (Caucasians; includes the USA, and Canada) should leave America and return the land to its rightful owners (what's left of them) - the Native Americans. Or is that not how it works...?
      • notque, on 02/28/2008, -7/+1I think a distribution to them of some land is certainly in order. Yes.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5And how is that not a double-standard when compared to the comment about Arabs being the "rightful owners" of Israel and the Jews leaving?
          • notque, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1I think a distribution of land is in order on both accounts. The 67 borders being the distribution for Israel and Palestine.
  • loganhid, on 02/28/2008, -14/+14Although this is clearly wrong and i don't agree with both of the sides and the way they are handling things, it seems that the Israel's have done a lot worse to the Palestinians
    • Liam76, on 02/28/2008, -5/+12Just in terms of number dead, I agree. However Israel has never targeted children or civilians. They have repeatedly extended olive branches (giving complete control of Gaza, bulldozing the houses of jews who tried to stay etc) and those actions are met with attacks.
      • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -7/+4119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 982 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. perhaps they don't target children, but they sure do end up killing a lot of them. either they don't care if they kill them or are grossly incompetent. what do you think happens to the father of a child killed by the IDF? the violence on both sides only breeds more hate and violence. terrorism is the chosen tool of the weak against the mighty. that's why you can't get rid of it through force and violence.
        • czman, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7"either they don't care if they kill them or are grossly incompetent."

          or that fighters hide and operate from within civilians making it extreamly hard to retiliate without hitting bystanders.

          "the violence on both sides only breeds more hate and violence"

          agreed.



        • urik88, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7What happens to the father of a child killed by the IDF? Well he should stand up against hamas, the organization that used his child as a human shield, thus getting him killed.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6How can you treat terrorism as some sort of acceptable axiom, while resenting collateral damage?
          • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -4/+1no one is saying it's acceptable. both are wrong. but terrorism doesn't have in a vacuum.
          • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4It does. Terrorism of Arabs against Jews in the region goes back at least until 1834, and has never stopped.
  • Kizilbash, on 02/28/2008, -16/+18"In all, 17 Palestinians have died in Israeli military action in the last two days, including a six-month-old baby."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7268085.stm
    But hey, who's counting them?
    • Liam76, on 02/28/2008, -8/+18Go look at the pictures of the rockets being fired. They are launched from CIVILIAN areas. The only people with innocent blood on their hands is Hammas. If any country or group was continiously attacked by rockets they would respond to where the rockets come from.
      • had3l, on 02/28/2008, -7/+3Of course its launched from civilian areas, they don't have an organized military with multiple bases. While true that what Hamas did was awful, jpost.com is still a biased news outlet. Reading the BBC article, you can understand better what is going on. Personally, while I think its fair to retaliate attacks, at some point you just gotta say: Stop. And neither one of the sides are willing to do that, so they will just destroy themselves.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+5In what way can you say you "understand better" what's going on if you did not experience it first hand?
        • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7"Of course its launched from civilian areas, they don't have an organized military with multiple bases." - do they have a football field, where houses are at least 50 meters away in all directions?
          When you fire a rocket, you KNOW you will be targeted by counter-battery fire. If you then CHOOSE to stay among civilians - you are putting them in danger, knowingly.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 02/28/2008, -23/+21Invade people, steal their land, mock international law, wipe out entire villages, commit countless atrocities against Palestinians, and you bitch when they fight back. Look, Israelis, YOU started this crap. No one asked you Eastern Europeans to move to Palestine. We Americans resent dumping our hard-earned tax dollars down the rat hole your lobbyists inhabit. The point? Please STFU.
    • Liam76, on 02/28/2008, -6/+15Who did they steal it from? There never was an Palestine empire or govt prior to the jews moving their. Do you really think they moved over there and started booting muslims off farms?
      • notque, on 02/28/2008, -8/+1Yeah, who stole the land from the Native Americans? There never was an Indian empire or government prior to the Europeans moving in. Do you really think they moved over there and started booting Indians off farms?
        • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4There were several native empires, and its well documented that they did boot natives - though not off farms, into graves.
          That's unlike Israel that didn't genocide anyone, and survived several attempted Genocides by the Arabs' side.
      • scorchedearth, on 02/28/2008, -7/+1It was called the Ottoman Empire dumbass.
        • czman, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6indeed it was. And I, for one, welcome our former turkish overlords.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7Zionism had 3 Aliyahs during Ottoman rule. The Ottomans favored Jewish settlement, it developed the area.
        • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7Which lost their land to the British in WWI if I am not mistaken...and then the British turned it to the UN who partitioned it, and the Jews accepted, while the Arabs did not and decided to invade...and the rest is history.
    • StarlessKnight, on 02/28/2008, -0/+11A consequence of being on the losing side of a war? Sometimes you lose land to the victor.
    • GreenGrassyNoel, on 02/28/2008, -0/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_c ...
      Most people will be smarter after reading this article
  • neocognitism, on 02/28/2008, -17/+22The 14th person is killed since 2001 by these rockets.
    That's one every six months.

    But in the last 24 hours, 5 Palestinian militants, 12 civilians (all children) were killed, with three times as many seriously wounded.

    That's quite a ratio, 17:1 Something to really feel "good" over, like this feeling of powerful, um, well, schadenfreude!

    Let's get this straight. In a city of 1.5 million there would be ~90 murders/year on average. These rocket guys are responsible for *just two* of these per year. Yet, this results in an enforcement response of roughly 321:1 since ~4500 mostly civilian Palestinians have been killed since 2000.

    Wow, 321:1. That sure is an accomplishment.

    Oh, and the rest of the entire 1.5 million get illegally collectively punished for these 2/year killings. They starve, freeze, walk in *****, have bad water, no job, no movement, no power, no fuel, and as little hope as the Israeli government can manage. Gosh, if Pittsburgh decided to go this route for the amount of homicides they have, they'd just summarily execute half their residents, and torture the rest. That'd be genocide, which is, by the way, technically what is happening in Gaza, according to the 1948 accords.

    Enjoy your nightly meal of schadenfreude, you extremists. Tonight's meal is a big one. Somehow, I know it all makes sense to you, even though a majority of Israelis don't agree with you, or your Likud loyalist troupe.

    Hey, why don't you all go do your IOF service so you can enjoy some of the perks of running a concentration camp too?

    btw, Likud Lover Israeligirl, I am still waiting to hear about our date. I don't know whether to wear tails or not.
    • Liam76, on 02/28/2008, -6/+13Are you serious? Do a little diggimg. The quality of life, according tot he UN is better in Palestinian land than in most surrounding arab countries. The infant mortality rate is lower there than in Egypt or Jordan. The only thing keeping them from haveing agreat economy and prospering more is their blind hatred of the jews.
    • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -11/+6how dare you use facts and numbers. clearly you are anti-semitic.
    • tommyredcoat, on 02/28/2008, -4/+11So what is your proposed solution? I appreciate your numbers even without citation, but anyone can throw numbers and facts out. What will end the violence?
      • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -9/+3ending illegal settlement activity, the creation of a sovereign palestinian state, and negotiating a right of return. of course the hard liners on both sides don't want any kind of compromise at all.
        • tommyredcoat, on 02/28/2008, -1/+5Is there any one person alive today that you believe holds a chance at negotiating a resolution?
        • pintomp3, on 02/28/2008, -3/+3no, because to work it would require a simultaneous overhaul the positions of the palestinian leadership, the israeli government, and US foreign policy. sadly, this will continue to spiral for a long time.
        • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+4"ending illegal settlement activity, the creation of a sovereign palestinian state, and negotiating a right of return." - the Palestinians refused to negotiate even when there were no illegal settlements, an offer for a Palestinian state, and no refugees on either side. They never once changed that position. What makes you think they will change it today?

          Its amazing that you point the blame for conflict on the side that constantly concedes, instead off blaming the side that said "no recognition, no negotiation, no peace". Maybe, just maybe, the side that says "no peace" is the roadblock to peace...?
    • ApokalypseNow, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9The difference here is this: those 2 murders are being caused by a visible organization filled with foreign nationals, and the attack is ordered by their leadership - this makes them much easier to target for retaliation.
    • betasp, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9Tell the coward's in Hamas to quit hiding it residential areas. It is that simple. Stand and fight like real men instead of cowards hiding among women and children. I shows that they care more about killing jews than taking care of of the people.
    • czman, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8you seem to forget that the area surrounding Gaza has been targetted by qassams for quite some time, almost daily.. the comparison with Pittsburgh is not relevant since there is a difference between a local crime and a the daily disruption of life in a city - sirons, taking shelter, and hearing the explosion. this is life under terror. NOT THE SAME THING as a random mugging or homicde.

      regarding the ratio: that's not something I'm happy about. I'd rather more hamas get killed, with no loss of civilian life. unfortunatly hamas troups tend to use the civilian population as cover. unfortuntly the IDF doesn't really have much choice here.
  • tehxen3, on 02/28/2008, -17/+3Why does Israel tolerate this? They should flatten the hell out of palestinians.
    • pattink, on 02/28/2008, -6/+0They haven't already?
      • tehxen3, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7Obviously not since they still manage to launch 70 ROCKETS in one day.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5According to neocognitism, we have - several times over.
        • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3LOL, worst genociders ever... Syria and Jordan both killed more Palestinians in a SINGLE WEEK than Israel killed in 40 years, I wonder how come neocon and friends don't call out these genocides...
    • czman, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7because wiping out 1.5 million isn't considered a moral thing to do in israel (even if 70% of those people voted in a party that activly seeks the distruction of Israel).

      actually.. doing that would probably cause a civil war in israel, between jews - not that the army would do that anyway since there would be many soliders who would rebel against these kinds of orders - if given.

      I'm pretty sure the rest of the world wouldn't be happy if some Fascist would attempt to go forwards with an action like this. not to mentune the arab world.

  • ObeseEurotrash, on 02/28/2008, -10/+2Must suck to get killed by the cheapest weapon in the game.
  • cokaine, on 02/28/2008, -21/+9What about the thousands of women and children killed by the jews in palestine over the last few years?? This is digg is just a pile of bull-***** propagenda to create more trouble!!!!!!! ***** U ISRAEL!!!
    • LexTalionis, on 02/28/2008, -5/+0yes, Yes, YES!!!!!!!
    • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3"This is digg is just a pile of bull-***** propagenda to create more trouble" - and your comment is just dribbling peace and love.
  • spiderbot2001, on 02/28/2008, -5/+1Why is it always civilians paying the price? Political groups need us and they abuse us.
    • MsAntiSunshine, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8Perhaps civilians wouldn't "pay the price" as frequently if Hamas didn't use them as shields for their rocket launching sites and then respond to Israeli attacks by targeting civilians.
      Don't you guys get it? It doesn't matter if you think the land belongs to the Palestinians or not. Hamas isn't good for either side!
  • n8f8, on 02/28/2008, -7/+9Wrong crowd. Digg is Anti-Israel/Anti whatever the US government supports
    • LexTalionis, on 02/28/2008, -7/+2Israeligirl is always polluting Digg with zionist *****.
  • truelier, on 02/28/2008, -7/+4Although I am a Muslim and should have sympathy for Palestinians and the fact I am not too fond of Jews as it is... I still don't totally agree with Hamas as well.. Yeah this is probably Jewish propaganda because I know for a fact a lot of lives taken on Palestinians side is never even reported but for a Hamas government being this irresponsible is not right either. It is just creating more hostility and in return you are putting more of your people's life at risk... To retaliate is a human nature but the smart ones do it in more organized way... but than again Palestenians are fighting among themselves and than the Israelis... This world is just a sad place...
    But than again if I was a Palestinian living in Palestine I might have had a totally different view and might even think it is right launching these rockets because being an outsider I can not just feel the emotions....
    • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3"I am not too fond of Jews as it is" - your comment is quite, why are you claiming to be a bigot?
      "if I was a Palestinian living in Palestine I might have had a totally different view" - after being brainwashed by a huge scary bunny (and other murderous furries) during your entire childhood, I wouldn't be surprised.
  • mohasr, on 02/28/2008, -14/+9so you don't want to miss this golden chance - the death of an adult Israeli - go without telling the whole world that you are the poor helpless guys in this conflict.

    in another new , today 28th feb 2008 , Israel killed many Palestinian children and baby , beside the usual number of men and women , and no body even notice that !

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8DFE6441-E6 ...

    http://www.imemc.org/article/53111

    I don't think you'll stop whining about your adult man , and will keep killing more palestinian children in response .

    go go BUTCHERS , go to hell .
    • jwkpiano1, on 02/28/2008, -4/+12Dude, you've completed missed the point. Israel attempts to avoid civilian casualties, which I might add is very difficult when Hamas is launching rockets from the middle of civilian areas. Hamas, on the other hand, specifically attacked a civilian area. Who, I ask, are the real butchers?
      • scorchedearth, on 02/28/2008, -11/+5Israel does not attempt to avoid civilian casualties. Thats why they kill so many civilians.
        • czman, on 02/28/2008, -2/+11if that was the case, Israel would have just flatten the whole gaza strip using D9 bulldozers.
          • jwkpiano1, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Yeah, honestly. If they really wanted to kill civilians, they would just nuke the entire strip.
        • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10I did not know you served in the IDF.
        • foopirata, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10And you know that for a fact because....? You don't.
          Fact is, you can't admit the possibility of the other option: that Hamas terrorists use their own population as pawns, firing from among them. Even in face of overwhelming proof.
  • spiderbot2001, on 02/28/2008, -6/+1One incapable side called Hamas usual terrorist cowards in hiding
    and one side Israel that is afraid of going back to Old GAZA which they had to withdraw.
    End result civilians get killed both sides.
    Political groups need us and they abuse us.
    May be we have to get rid of both ZIONISM the govt of Israel the occupation and the harassment of Palestinians and the EXTREMISM
    the end result of Hitler's hatred and doctrine of extremism and emphasis on cultural heritage, people's greed and finally desperate situation.
  • uselessmoniker, on 02/28/2008, -6/+9From the BBC today "Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip"
    More tit for tat in the Middle East while we in the west sit back and wag our fingers.
    • HanSolo69, on 02/28/2008, -7/+1You mean as we sit back and keep sending money and weapons to each side?
    • notque, on 02/28/2008, -7/+2We don't sit back and wag our fingers. We continue sending the money that funds the weapons. A Palestinian death by Israel is a responsibility of ours as well for funding and supporting them against. Further, it breaks our treaties and laws to fund Israel. They've broken the Nuclear Non-Proliferation pact, and we can't fund them.

      But of course we do anyway. We fund their military to continue annexing Palestinians.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7How can you break a pact which you did not join?
        • notque, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1The Pact makes all member states not able to fund any other country that has the capacity to use nuclear weapons that didn't before the pact was signed.
  • cokaine, on 02/28/2008, -12/+4http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new ... -- just look at that and tell me Why the death of one ***** israelie is important!!!!
    • ApokalypseNow, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9That Israeli man was a father of four - I'm pretty sure he was important to his kids, his wife, his mother and father, etc.
    • GreenGrassyNoel, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9because that was the accidental killing of a civilian, killed because Hamas tries to protect themselves by being around civilians. Israel was trying to kill Hamas members, Hamas just wants to kill israelis.
    • spiderbot2001, on 02/28/2008, -7/+1Actually Hamas's weapons are automatically timed using a charge or a fuse.
      If they had aimed instead of hiding, there would have been more causalities.
      Still that doesn't justify Israeli action.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+6They still need to place the launcher, arm it, set the timer and recover it.
    • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3Because murder is more interesting than accidents.
  • cokaine, on 02/28/2008, -17/+3I wish Hitler did a better job at finishing off the Jews! The world would have been a better place without them! Eric Cartman rulezzzzzz
    • troycott, on 02/28/2008, -1/+8I wish you would've spent some time at a Nazi Death camp. You could crack your jokes in the gas chamber, mother *****
    • LexTalionis, on 02/28/2008, -6/+0Now THIS is the dialog that we should be having.
  • troycott, on 02/28/2008, -6/+11Sure I agree that Israel has mis-managed the situation many times, but all of you Hamas-supporters who accuse Israel of putting out propaganda and lies really need to get your head out of your ass. Just remember, Hamas and all of their brainwashed followers would be shooting rockets at the US / Canada / UK if it were closer. I'm sure your ***** tune would change pretty quick then.
    • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 02/28/2008, -6/+1recognizing that Israel does hold the moral authority in this conflict does not make someone a "Hamas-supporter" - I know oppression when I see it. That means Israel oppression of the Palestinian people as well as Hamas oppression of the Palestinian and the Israeli people.
      • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+6Very well then. How do we get out of this situation?
        When we pulled out of Gaza, we hoped it was worth it - that the Palestinians will set up a model for a future state that can coexist with Israel.
        • OMGIAMTHEMAN, on 02/28/2008, -3/+1that's laughable. you destroy and brutalize an entire society, "mercifully" pull your troops out of their ghettos, and expect some shining model community to spring from the ground?
          • neko6, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3So let me get this straight - when there's an occupation, the occupier is evil. And when the occupier left, it is more evil?!

            "you destroy and brutalize an entire society" - when did that happen?
          • wpi97, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2What society? There has never been a "Palestinian society". Israel captured land from Egypt and Jordan in a defensive war. It offered land back in exchange for peace right after that war, and got "No negotiation, no recognition, and no peace" from the Arab League. Israel offered Arafat an independent state on 98% of the territories, and got suicide bombers exploding on buses and in shopping malls in response. Israel withdrew from Gaza, and planned to withdraw from the West Bank, and got rocket attacks in response. There doesn't seem to be much positive reinforcement here for taking positive steps toward peace, does it?
  • linkin2, on 02/28/2008, -7/+6Four Palestinian children have been killed in an Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip, local medics say.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm
  • HanSolo69, on 02/28/2008, -5/+1So? Both sides are idiots.
  • whitcomb, on 02/28/2008, -9/+3You forgot to mention this "college student" is also an Israeli soldier on reserve duty. So the PA killed a soldier. It takes both sides to make a fight. I hope someday that Israel will go back to the 1967 borders as stipulated in UN 262 whereby it is illegal to gain territory in a war. Nice that Israel want to keep the West Bank where all the water is (except for the wells they have poisoned
  • whitcomb, on 02/28/2008, -12/+4You forgot to mention this "college student" is also an Israeli soldier on reserve duty. So the PA killed a soldier. It takes both sides to make a fight. I hope someday that Israel will go back to the 1967 borders as stipulated in UN 262 whereby it is illegal to gain territory in a war. Nice that Israel want to keep the West Bank where all the water is (except for the wells they have poisoned
    • czman, on 02/28/2008, -1/+12

      I see. firing a rocket into a civilian area is OK by you - since it might hit a civilian who might be in the reserves. OK. using your logic it's ok for israel to hit palestinian children becoase it's most likely they grow up and become terrorists. (in case you don't realise this: it isn't)

    • yonoz, on 02/28/2008, -1/+8Israel pulled back to the 1967 borders around the Gaza Strip.
  • LexTalionis, on 02/28/2008, -8/+3Typical Zionist. The title of the story reads "IDF operations kill fifteen Palestinians since Wednesday," and israeligirl reads it as "College student killed by Hamas' rockets." Thanks for keeping us abreast of the lopsided death toll that always occurs in Palestine. You are truly a racist pig israeligirl. BURY THIS ZIONIST SYMPATHIZING *****!!!
    • LexTalionis, on 02/28/2008, -1/+0Stop giving me the thumbsdown just because you want to bang israeligirl
  • PinkTacoDigger, on 02/28/2008, -5/+2Those are some ***** rockets. More people probably die on the 4th of July here by firecrackers. Israel drops one bomb kills like 8 people, misses the main target and injuries an entire street, but we should hype up this attack as justification for continued oppression? I feel bad for the guy and his family, but it's not that hard to understand why the Palestinians are pissed and retaliate, fight, attack terrorize, whatever you call it.
  • notque, on 02/28/2008, -6/+7 "The crimes against Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and elsewhere, particularly Lebanon, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims. And, in fact, it’s likely to harm them. We have to face the reality that our actions have consequences, and they have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes in which we are directly and crucially implicated."

    -Noam Chomsky

  • GreenGrassyNoel, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_c ...
    Most people will be smarter after reading this article
  • ApokalypseNow, on 02/28/2008, -2/+4Wasn't Israel supposed to be buying some anti-rocket lasers from the US about a year, year-and-a-half ago? That technology could really help in that region of the world.

    As for the Palestinians, they fired 40 rockets and got one kill. The Israelis probably fired far fewer and got 17. The lesson here: AIM.
    • Mnementh2230, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Having talked to enough millitary and ex-millitary folks who served in Iraq, the problem is the extremist nature of their belief. Even people signing up for the Iraqi army have this problem because it is ingrained in them. The problem can best be described as follows:

      Many in the Iraqi army don't see the point of target practice. They prefer to take their AK weapons and rock out full auto until the magazine is empty, spraying in the general direction of the enemy. If a bullet hits the enemy, it is "god's will".

      As a different kind of example, during one of the many insurgent surrenders in Iraq (I don't recall the town), during the negotiations, the enemy negotiator asked for all American snipers to be withdrawn from the city. The American commander said he had none operating within 50 miles of the town. The insurgent did not believe him, so the commander took him out to the shooting range, where he borrowed a guard's carbine and fired 5 shots at targets 50 yards away. All 5 hit within inches of the bullseye. The insurgent negotiator was stunned. The American commander said he was one of the worst shots in the province.

      "God's Will" is no substitue for target practice.
  • zaknick, on 02/28/2008, -7/+2one word: BLOWBACK
  • deathguppie, on 02/28/2008, -4/+9I cannot believe some of the retards here. I am no Jew, nor am I a conservative by any means. However I am not so stupid that I cannot tell the difference between retribution and malevolence.

    I think it's pretty obvious that Israel would be more than happy to give up retaliating for rocket strikes in return for the end to rocket strikes.

    As for the Land?

    The Arab Muslim population took the land by force during a Jihad between 632 and 661 AD. Before that it was a Jewish homeland. The Jews retook some of that land during a defensive war this century. All I hear from the Jihadists is a call for the death of all Israelis . Besides the fact that those same jihadists would not stop just because they had killed all of the Jews.. all of you Kafur would be on the hit list eventually. So why don't you all just save them time and kill yourselves and have you head sent to them by mail..
  • FREETHINKER2008, on 02/28/2008, -3/+1That area can never stay quiet for long, both sides live by the feud.
  • bektasa, on 02/28/2008, -1/+0IMO, neither side is innocent..
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ...
  • kingcam, on 02/28/2008, -2/+3This whole Israel doesn't target civilians is not only a complete false dilemma but it is also utter *****. The fact that some of you think that collateral damage is still a justifiable excuse for the deaths of Palestinian civilians even though the ratio is in excess of 100 civilians : 1 militant (and it is multiple times that from the figures I have seen) is ridiculous. Also you cannot say that the Israeli army is not just as guilty of indiscriminate fire as the Hamas militants; the IAF used cluster bombs in Lebanon, a weapon so indiscriminate that it has been specifically condemned by the UN. Would all of you accept it as an excuse if Hamas leaders stated that they were targeting Israeli military facilities but happened to kill civilians by mistake?
  • w3bsag3, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1There are only two people who understood how the Middle East conflict will unfold: Ze'ev Jabotinsky and Natan Sharansky.

    Until most of the twenty-two Arab countries can be dragged kicking and screaming into the present from the fourteenth century they presently inhabit, there will be no peace. Roadmap is a convenient pretext to be seen doing something for some and a vehicle for dismantling Israel piecemeal for others. Like it or not. Anyone who tells you otherwise living a dream.
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