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macmangb, on 04/25/2008, -33/+16Check this photo out of one of Chinese torch thugs stepping on a Tibetan protestor:

http://i26.tinypic.com/25txagx.jpg
- uriman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+20you cannot see anything in that photo. submit a uncropped version, pls
  - flibblesan, on 04/25/2008, -2/+7the OP won't, because the photo doesn't show what they claim.
    - MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -8/+3Go back to reading your little red book.
    - flibblesan, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3Um, ok whatever...
- ptxyz, on 04/25/2008, -6/+5Hey, that looks like Jackie Chan!
  - uriman, on 04/25/2008, -7/+3all Asians look like Jackie Chan
    - ferrite, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3Then I must look like Russell Crow
  - brstilson, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Hey look, it's Malcom in Middle!
- Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -5/+1I recognize the uniform from a video of the Paris police stopping the Tibet protestors. The torch thugs wear light blue tracksuits lol
  - eq2s, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2This photo is from the Australian leg of the torch relay and the "torch thugs stepping" are actually Australian police officers arresting the person on the ground. The person on the ground may actually be a Chinese person as more Chinese were arrested than Tibetan supporters in Australia.
    Although your comment is misleading, I support your intent of raising the appalling behavior of Chinese torch thugs. In Australia, the Chinese Government organized tens of thousands of Chinese protesters to go to the Australian part of the relay in Canberra. These protesters showed little interest in the flame and were much more interested in harassing and assaulting human rights and Tibetan supporters.
    See http://tinyurl.com/5mf8cz for more information, especially the latter half of the article.
    Apologies for posting a comment that is not directly related to the article - I'm expecting to be dugg down; but I really think diggers would be concerned about this.
    - Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1The Chinese protestors were just interested in assaulting human rights and Tibetan supporters. The article specficially says that they were advised to NOT use any force at all. Similar to what was said on a pro-tibet website organizing the sf protests. You'd be great at FOX news one day.
  - eq2s, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1disregard that comment ^ and see below. ***** digg comment system.
- eq2s, on 04/25/2008, -4/+6This photo is from the Australian leg of the torch relay and the "torch thugs stepping" are actually Australian police officers arresting the person on the ground. The person on the ground may actually be a Chinese person as more Chinese were arrested than Tibetan supporters in Australia.
  Although your comment is misleading, I support your intent of raising the appalling behavior of Chinese torch thugs. In Australia, the Chinese Government organized tens of thousands of Chinese protesters to go to the Australian part of the relay in Canberra. These protesters showed little interest in the flame and were much more interested in harassing and assaulting human rights and Tibetan supporters.
  See http://tinyurl.com/5mf8cz for more information, especially the latter half of the article.
  Apologies for posting a comment that is not directly related to the article - I'm expecting to be dugg down; but I really think diggers would be concerned about this. If any of you top diggers can get a story on the front page about how the Chinese government used relay crowds for propoganda, please do.
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1My fellow Tibetans know the risk of fleeing Tibet (escaping brutal China's oppression) and
  
  Yet we still take this risk because we know very well like all of you! that life is precious
  
  and using it to spend under China's brutal oppressive rule is a waste because of this When
  
  one or two or more of your friend gets shot, killed by Chinese (whether border patrol or
  
  not), all one can do is walk forward, not knowing you will be the next to get shot.
  
  Tibetans getting killed while or before fleeing is very REAL and thus very common among
  
  Tibetans but we still do it! This goes to show that there is nothing more important than
  
  Freedom, which we reach when we get to India's border (not Nepal anymore).
  Therefore stoping for the fellow Tibetan who just got shot is of course what Tibetans and we
  
  all want but the person who just got shot will tell you to walk forward otherwise all of
  
  their sacrifice will go in vain.
  
  For us Tibetan, to Survive as long as possible equiped w/ Truth & compassion is our only
  
  tools to make sure our identity survives under this extremely sad situation.
  
  Here is a follow up to this particular atrocity
  
  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=79824109 ...
  
  rt=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Beijing (as well as sympathetic Western scholars such as Michael Parenti, Tom Grunfeld and
  
  Anna Louise Strong) asserts that "pre-liberation" Tibet was a medieval, oppressive society
  
  consisting of "landowners, serfs and slaves." Tashi Rabgay, a Tibetan scholar at Harvard,
  
  points out that these three alleged social classes are arbitrary and revisionist
  
  classifications that have no basis in reality. There were indeed indentured farmers in old
  
  Tibet. There were also merchants, nomads, traders, non-indentured farmers, hunters, bandits,
  
  monks, nuns, musicians, aristocrats and artists. Tibetan society was a vast, multifaceted
  
  affair, as real societies tend to be. To try to reduce it to three base experiences (and
  
  non-representative experiences at that) is to engage in the worst kind of revisionism.
  
  No country is perfect and many Tibetans (including the Dalai Lama) admit that old Tibet had
  
  its flaws and inequities (setting aside whether things are better under Chinese occupation).
  
  But taking every real or imagined shortcoming that happened in a country over a 600-year
  
  period and labeling it the "way it was" is hardly legitimate history. Any society seen
  
  through this blurry lens would come up short. And in many ways, such as the elimination of
  
  the death penalty, Tibet was perhaps ahead of its time. The young 14th Dalai Lama had begun
  
  to promote land reform laws and other improvements, but China's take-over halted these
  
  advances. It is instructive to note that today the Tibetan government-in-exile is a
  
  democracy while China and Tibet are under communist dictatorship.
  
  The crucial subtext of Beijing's condemnation of Tibet's "feudal" past is a classic
  
  colonialist argument that the target's alleged backwardness serves as a justification for
  
  invasion and occupation. These are the politics of the colonist, in which the "native" is
  
  dehumanized, robbed of agency, and debased in order to make occupation more palatable or
  
  even necessary and "civilizing." China has no more right to occupy a "backward" Tibet than
  
  Britain had to carry the "white man's burden" in India or Hong Kong.
AlwaysAwake, on 04/25/2008, -10/+57Authority NEVER negotiates. Any pretense to negotiation is just that, a pretense. So, killing is as casual as eating an apple, thought they usually get a "tingle", dissappating quickly, and requiring a new "fix" soon, like any other addiction. This is not a judgment, but I've seen discharged vets in the VAMC's depressed and morose for losing their "license" to kill with impunity. Programmed to kill, their life seems meaningless without it.
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3First Time I Feel Ashamed to be Han, and Lucky to Not Be a Party Member
  The following blog post was signed as written by “a student from the Central University of Nationalities“. Translated by CDT:
  
  This makes me hopeful that Chinese people are seeking "The Truth from the Facts"
  http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/first-time-i- ...
  The below has the same article but also has many videos regarding China's policy in Tibet.
  http://bhodrangzen.blogspot.com/2008/04/first-time ...
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1
  
  Tibetans getting killed while or before fleeing is very REAL and thus very common among
  
  Tibetans but we still do it! This goes to show that there is nothing more important than
  
  Freedom, which we reach when we get to India's border (not Nepal anymore).
  Therefore stoping for the fellow Tibetan who just got shot is of course what Tibetans and we
  
  all want but the person who just got shot will tell you to walk forward otherwise all of
  
  their sacrifice will go in vain.
  
  For us Tibetan, to Survive as long as possible equiped w/ Truth & compassion is our only
  
  tools to make sure our identity survives under this extremely sad situation.
  
  Here is a follow up to this particular atrocity
  
  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=79824109 ...
  
  rt=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Beijing (as well as sympathetic Western scholars such as Michael Parenti, Tom Grunfeld and
  
  Anna Louise Strong) asserts that "pre-liberation" Tibet was a medieval, oppressive society
  
  consisting of "landowners, serfs and slaves." Tashi Rabgay, a Tibetan scholar at Harvard,
  
  points out that these three alleged social classes are arbitrary and revisionist
  
  classifications that have no basis in reality. There were indeed indentured farmers in old
  
  Tibet. There were also merchants, nomads, traders, non-indentured farmers, hunters, bandits,
  
  monks, nuns, musicians, aristocrats and artists. Tibetan society was a vast, multifaceted
  
  affair, as real societies tend to be. To try to reduce it to three base experiences (and
  
  non-representative experiences at that) is to engage in the worst kind of revisionism.
  
  No country is perfect and many Tibetans (including the Dalai Lama) admit that old Tibet had
  
  its flaws and inequities (setting aside whether things are better under Chinese occupation).
  
  But taking every real or imagined shortcoming that happened in a country over a 600-year
  
  period and labeling it the "way it was" is hardly legitimate history. Any society seen
  
  through this blurry lens would come up short. And in many ways, such as the elimination of
  
  the death penalty, Tibet was perhaps ahead of its time. The young 14th Dalai Lama had begun
  
  to promote land reform laws and other improvements, but China's take-over halted these
  
  advances. It is instructive to note that today the Tibetan government-in-exile is a
  
  democracy while China and Tibet are under communist dictatorship.
  
  The crucial subtext of Beijing's condemnation of Tibet's "feudal" past is a classic
  
  colonialist argument that the target's alleged backwardness serves as a justification for
  
  invasion and occupation. These are the politics of the colonist, in which the "native" is
  
  dehumanized, robbed of agency, and debased in order to make occupation more palatable or
  
  even necessary and "civilizing." China has no more right to occupy a "backward" Tibet than
  
  Britain had to carry the "white man's burden" in India or Hong Kong.
uriman, on 04/25/2008, -7/+132reliable news source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6041870.stm

Note: This story is quite old. It's from Oct 2006. The OP only brought it up again because of the Olympics.
- crazydiode, on 04/25/2008, -13/+12Rest in peace dear Tibetans. Rest in peace.
- mille716, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7One and a half years is not exactly "old news". I don't think China has changed their treatment of Tibetans significantly since then. I've seen it before too but am grateful that more people are going to be exposed to footage of the violent actions of the Chinese goverment.
- txcine, on 04/25/2008, -2/+14Your implication is that somehow that video is "unreliable."
  
  "Old" news or not, WTF gives the Chinese the right to shoot at hiking Tibetans like deer?
- osiris99, on 04/26/2008, -0/+6Because it may be old for ***** two years, we should forget about it? Are you insane? Thanks for the news source though, this one shows the attitude of Chinese government towards unarmed pilgrims! BOYCOTT CHINA!
  - potofgravy, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1He didn't say anything like that.
    
    It's good to know the date of the story as well rather than saying it just happened last week.
    
    He's not saying it's not something we should watch but if you don't have the facts right yourself you'll look like an idiot.
- rz8472, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4Here's a BBC Dispatches documentary that actually interviews the climbers who were under fire by Chinese border guards -
  
  http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=45307
- huangweiqiu, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1"one climber fall on snow mountain, how normal.
  
  Lame audio FAKE!!!
  
  BUt it fits the international hate rage for Chinese. So it will be popular and spreaded. "
kurtwinter, on 04/25/2008, -62/+124***** China, Free Tibet, Boycott Beijing 2008.
- NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -52/+18***** Tibet, Free China, Beijing 2008.
  - Tephra, on 04/25/2008, -13/+7nice!
    
    -1 for u
    - asspants, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2HURRRRRRRRRRRRR
  - NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -4/+2forgot my sarcasm tag on that.. see if we can hit 1k buries on that post..
  - brkhobowriter, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Actually, digg me down all you want. But I, as a Chinese person, actually agree with that. Well, not the ***** Tibet part, but everything else. Tibet is a part of China and has been for many years. Think of taking Tibet away as taking Hawaii or Alaska away. I do not believe that the violence should continue, but neither should Tibet be free.
    - kevdude421, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3That's not up to you. If they want to be free, they have a right to be free. Who the hell are you to go off KILLING them because of their right to freedom and self-determination.
      - brkhobowriter, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2So if Alaska decides to be free, do you think Mr. President and Congress would let them?
      - kevdude421, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1They wouldn't march in and start executing their citizens in the street. You can bet your ass on that.
      - parax, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1@brkhobowriter
        
        How does your question affect the morality of the situation? I suggest you recalibrate your moral compass and not ask yourself "What would the US Government do?" to determine right from wrong. Mr. President and Congress launched atomic weapons, twice. That shouldn't be part of your understanding of what's right.
      - jibone, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1So it's up to us if we want to be free?
- flibblesan, on 04/25/2008, -16/+31Hate the Chinese government, not the people. Making statements like you have will only label you as a racist.
  - MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -18/+12The people are the ones who allow the government to exist. A billion people can take down ANY government.
    - brstilson, on 04/25/2008, -2/+13So Iraq is my fault, then?
      - oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -2/+4Of course. What did you do to stop it?
      - NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4What did he do to encourage it?
      - parax, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~ (often attributed to Edmund Burke)
    - robotto, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1True. but this is simply theoritical. Governments have power, the force to suppress people and make them afraid. Maybe few have courage. fyi I'm not a chinese digg user.
      - potofgravy, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Is there such a thing?
      - fpaudon, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0I was able to access digg and *chan and everything else i usually browse in China. The only thing they censor are Google searches
    - fpaudon, on 04/25/2008, -2/+5Alright, if you're so concerned about the murders in Tibet, how about you fly over to China to start the revolution? Or at least protest the American government for the slaughter of Iraqi civilians.
      Oh wait, you're not going to because you're more comfortable in the basement.
      - NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1I like starbucks better.. Coffee and wifi is good. :)
    - sharigan, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3The citizen in China have very little power. Nevertheless the government is so corrupted that almost all official take bribes and resort all kind of dirty tactics to achieve their wants. If your a official and don't take any bribe at all, your the dumb one.
    - oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I can't for a second believe anyone is digging MWeather down. How ***** complacent has the world gotten? Governments ONLY exist because we allow them to. You can't stop a revolution of the people.
      Protest aren't going to do a damn thing. Armed revolution. Get angry, get motivated! The chinese don't give a ***** and probably never will. They chose to put in their ***** authoritarian communist government.
      WE DIDN'T. This ***** authoritarian government thats been growing in America since the '50's has been against our will. We CAN stand up and take the power back from the military complex. We STILL have the means to do it. Or are we just too ***** lazy. See you in the streets soon!
      - NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1If it comes to it America can and will revolt.. and the people will rise up.. No matter what the Pres says.. I doubt the us soldiers will turn on their own friends and family.. Quite frankly if i was a soldier and a revolution started i wouldnt try to stop it.. But then there are some people who would.. Good luck on the streets.. An information war in this day and age is just as effective if not more.. cripple their computer systems and itll fall. i know people have the power to do it.. look at the CoS
    - worldchanger, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1because you've been to China to experience what that government is like... right?
  - barius, on 04/25/2008, -2/+9While I understand your point, I have seen far too many Chinese citizens defending the violent actions of their government for various ***** reasons. Have you not seen the Pro-China activists trying to confront the Free-Tibet activists? I'm not saying that the Free-Tibet activists are necessarily doing the right thing by disrupting the Olympics, but you have to admit that the Pro-China activists are just there to try and shut them up and for no other reason.
  - sk11, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Why can't someone criticise China without being accused of racism? Are the Chinese a race in your mind? There are plenty of East-Asians who are outraged by China's actions in Tibet, many of whom are buddhist.
  - diggimator, on 04/26/2008, -0/+4When he says "***** China" instead of "***** Chinese people," he's obviously not including Tibetans but referring to the government that's responsible for the brutalities.
- nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -7/+5tibet = sharecropper economy
  (both before and after china)
  - BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6And so your comment is pointless
  - chembro84, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Keep repeating that line. Open your eyes and try a see the current situation in Tibet. Its a nightmare
- nekteo, on 04/25/2008, -12/+4please do not combine the issues of political agenda with the spirit of sports!
  it's the Olympic spirit that would keep the world united.
  - Frost9999, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7Don't be an idiot - the Olympics are just a money magnet exploited by business. Sport doesn't stop for 4 years waiting for the Olympic games to roll around again.
  - Beveridge89, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5And aren't the Olympics supposed to be about promoting the human spirit? It can't do that in a country where the needs of the state allow its systematic destruction.
- RequiemHunter, on 04/25/2008, -4/+17You can be idealistic if you wish, but there are extremely few things you could do that actually matters. This is all just a temporary thing. The things in Tibet has been there for more than a few decades. It started way before the Vietnam War or Korean War. Taiwan also seeks independence from China, but you don't hear people that crazy about it. How about the conflicts in Sri Lanka? The Genocide in Darfur? People rarely hear about it cause it is not "of interest" to the media.
  
  While the Olympic spirit has been seen more or less as a political tool to many people, did anyone stop and consider the voice of the athlete who compete IN the Olympic? I know some of these Olympians personally. They work HARD for years. They been training for at least 4 years for this upcoming game. How would you feel if you spend your blood and sweat for 4 years working to achieve a goal, but it all become meaningless for some stupid political reasons?
  
  Boycott China? That will only further pisses off the Chinese Government, and it certainly won't help the Tibetan. The boycott will be seems as another stab at their pride. With the exception of the last century, the Chinese enjoy 4000 years of glory and pride. Now, after a century of humiliation, they are finally able to stand back up. Now, if this attempt ended up in failure due to boycott in the name of Tibet. Trust me, the Chinese government is going to blame everything on Tibetan, and from what we know about a communistic regime, the scapegoat never have a good ending.
  
  Last of all, don't even suggest boycotting Chinese's product. If the Americans are already complaining about oil at $3 a gallon, wait till they see the price of stuff that is NOT Made In China. With the weakening of the dollar and the increase cost of living, such a move is simply impossible.
  
  So, instead of worrying about Tibet. Maybe we should worry more about our economy and spend less money on trying to change other country.
  - Emnsta, on 04/25/2008, -2/+7Taiwan doesn't seek independence from China, it already is, and it is not asking for formal independence, get your facts straight
  - sk11, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3People being violently oppressed, having their basic human rights quashed are "stupid political reasons" to you? Because winning in a game is more important than an entire people's freedom? The olympics are just a sporting event, it doesn't supersede people's lives. Appeasement doesn't work on such brutal tyrants and dictators. If it did, Tibet would've been free by now.
  - xsquirrel378x, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2+1
    great comment of the week
- amdforever, on 04/25/2008, -15/+6***** separationists. I love China, I love Tibet.
  
  Tibet is always a part of China.
  - masamunecyrus, on 04/25/2008, -3/+10The Tibet situation wouldn't be nearly as disturbing as it is if hundreds of millions of Chinese weren't reciting the SAME government propaganda -- "Tibet has always been and will always be part of China." Because there's a HUGE difference between not wanting Tibet to separate from China and reciting blatant propaganda.
- Fallout911, on 04/25/2008, -6/+8***** you and China how about that?
- cathpah, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1couldn't've said it better myself!
- hurt911gen, on 04/25/2008, -3/+14Free Tibet. Free China.
- smek2, on 04/25/2008, -7/+8You know to whom i say "***** you" too? To United States, who maintain secret prison and torture camps.
  - NoCt1, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5We arent the only ones. Every country in the world has them.. And if they dont they are better at hiding them than you think..
  - diggimator, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3While I am glad you care about the welfare of muslims imprisoned indefinitely in Guantanamo etc., your statement is a complete red herring.
- BeefBaron, on 04/26/2008, -7/+14*Americans execute Iraqis* - Noone cares.
  *Americans execute own countrymen* - Noone cares.
  *Rebels execute Dafurnese* - Noone cares.
  *Many countries executing own citizenry* - Noone cares.
  
  *Chinese try to settle unrest in land considered theirs by all modern standards* - OMGWTFBBQ LETS ALL PROTEST BY TAKING IT OUT ON AN INTERNATIONAL SPORTS EVENT.
  
  Get a grip, people.
  - Zettabyte, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4They posted from a computer that has been assembled and made in china, along with the clothes they wear.
  - diggimator, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2Sure, China's in the wrong or whatever, but what are your crimes?
- diggeratwork, on 04/26/2008, -3/+5Tibet was freed from slavery by China so many years ago. Are you living a well or something? And then this guy gets freaking +50 diggs.
  - Loki101, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Exchanging one form of slavery for another isn't exactly "freeing".
  - WikiEasy, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1And if Japan had not lost WW2, they'd be saying the same thing. In fact, any conquerer of a land can use the same excuse.
dakbonsa, on 04/25/2008, -14/+8Uh-oh, be careful if you are sympathetic to Tibetans. The Chinese hackers are targeting you...
http://www.avertlabs.com/research/blog/index.php/2 ...
But, I expect that an average Digg user won't open an exe file from internet........ ....yeah, right?
- cutekelvins, on 04/25/2008, -2/+7.
  - cutekelvins, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I wanted to withdraw my comment after a minute. So, I posted only a dot. Thanks for digging me up anyways.
  - EXTER, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3Good point.
- Wesside, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1No one uses McAfee anymore do they? Its just as bloated and useless as Norton.
  NOD32 for the win. http://www.eset.com
- asspants, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2better hope you're behind 7 proxies.
kfed2, on 04/25/2008, -25/+103The United States government owes China about 1 trillion dollars, and pays China interest of around 400 Billion annually. It is US tax money that helps China do this.
- oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -4/+29And your point? We sell bonds on the open market. Anyone can buy them, China simply bought a lot. Are you recommending we refuse to honor our bonds?
  - rficwizard, on 04/25/2008, -0/+18We could get a handle our addiction to government spending, pay down the debt, and pay little interest to anybody. The federal government debt is outrageous, yet we continue to spend money we don't have a as a matter of course.
    - oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -5/+2Certainly, but universal health care, social security, medicare and medicaid aren't cheap and everyone wants them...
      Reality is that we will always finance government spending with bonds. Ideally we'll get that down to a manageable level of debt at some point in the future.
      - 10ofDiamonds, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4......if we curtail spending on existing social services and don't add new ones. But we also need to curtail mil. spending too.
      - kfed2, on 04/25/2008, -4/+2My point was that, if you pay federal taxes, you are effectively a supporter of what China does to Tibet, regardless of what you actually believe/say.
      - natchiketa, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1No, the reality is that we'll always finance government spending with BOMBS. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter how much the US owes China. The US will pay it back on their own terms, as they see fit, if at all.
      - rficwizard, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4@natchiketa: The US federal government can't afford not to pay what they owe, because they need to sell these bonds again (and more) periodically. If China or Saudi Arabia stopped funding the US federal government, the government would have a severe crisis.
      - caramba420, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1@kfed
        I don't think you get it. WE BORROWED the money from China to begin with. If you really want to stop supporting China, stop buying all of the useless trinkets we're all addicted to.
      - kfed2, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1 caramba420 - we did borrow that money from them in the first place - they loaned us the money they got from us selling us their stuff.
- uriman, on 04/25/2008, -11/+6blame bush and his $$$ war
  - Frost9999, on 04/25/2008, -3/+6hahahaha.. you can't blame someone that got voted in twice, sorry.
    - darkMAMEr, on 04/25/2008, -5/+2Well, he didn't really get voted in the 2nd time.
- peterzero, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4040% interest? That sounds kinda high. Where did you get the numbers?
  - kfed2, on 04/25/2008, -0/+9Good point, I meant 40 Billion. A little late though.
- 10ofDiamonds, on 04/25/2008, -8/+3Echo the bonds response. Not honoring bonds wuld be one of the worst possible things we coulddo economically at this point. This is China and Tibet's problem, and while I appreciate the exposure, I think we in the U.S. should be be worried about ourselves first, plus the Dalai Lama is a turd too.
  - MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1It would only be bad if people were still buying our bonds. Judging by the last bond sale, that's not going to be the case much longer.
    - oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Are you a complete moron? Millions of Americans invest in bonds. People are investing in bonds more and more now as the stock market tumbles...
    - 10ofDiamonds, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1More people buy bonds in a bear market.
- davewashere, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1I don't believe these numbers. We should not be paying 40% interest on these loans. I know a great debt consolidation company that can knock that rate in half. What we really need to do is stop President Bush from using payday loans to keep our economy strong. It's bad enough that he's taking our tax payments to one of those shady check cashing businesses to avoid creating a paper trail.
- Warmager, on 04/26/2008, -2/+0LOL dont we just love dubya?
- mdoerr, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4It is DISGUSTING that this idiotic comment received 65 digs.
  - sheebz, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2The numbers are wrong, definately, parent does have a point though.
- mdoerr, on 04/26/2008, -0/+11) Please spell "definitely" correctly when criticizing a perfect legitimate criticism. 2) Therefore, by this rationale, we are responsible for all of the social wrongs that are wrought by any and all trading partners we have?
  
  This is ridiculous. By this rationale, every country in the world is responsible for the Iraq war if they buy American products. Give me a break.
- blog302, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3you owe money, you pay back with interest. you call that help? if you pay someone back, you consider yourself helping him?
LordoftheFly, on 04/25/2008, -5/+14This is really sick.
- albatross5000, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2As sick as a war against iraq causing 100s of thousands of deaths and millions of displaced people by YOUR country and NOT China? Hypocrite. Remember, YOUR taxes payed for these senseless deaths.
  - diggrnumber1, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2he's not the hypocrite - our country as a whole is (i'm assuming he's opposed to the war in iraq).
badbilly, on 04/25/2008, -27/+22***** China, Free Tibet, Boycott Beijing 2008.
- lolinyerface, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Sup Kurtwinter
oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -16/+13That is disgusting. I can believe the government would authorize this, I always have a hard time understanding how the soldier with the rifle can actually pull the trigger...
- MadOgre, on 04/25/2008, -13/+8Believe it. THAT happens DAILY in China. That is the fruit of Communism that so many Diggers think is cool.
  - MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -4/+4Could you explain the connection between China's economic system and their judicial system? I'm not seeing the connection.
  - ByteGuerilla, on 04/25/2008, -2/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Capitalism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
    
    Try again.
- IdevInull, on 04/25/2008, -14/+3Hmmm. Even more disgusting are the 5000 babies a day we allow to be murdered in our country every day. I always have a hard time understanding how any so called doctor can reach up into a woman and rip a child apart and call it a good thing. And I always have a hard time how any woman could allow that to happen to her baby.
  Lots of sick people in this world.
  - MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8We should definitely not be killing babies. Fetuses and blastocysts are cool, though.
  - corfe83, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3You can argue abortion is bad, but at least here the mother's consented to the operation.
    
    To enforce the one child policy, the Chinese government has forced abortions, and forced sterilizations.
- Viend, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1The US government authorises the torture and murder of Iraqis, regardless of age and gender.
  
  The Israeli government authorises the torture and murder of Palestinians, regardless of age and gender.
  
  Both of them are supported by our taxpayers' money.
MasterThief117, on 04/25/2008, -29/+32The words, "***** China" are not enough. The Chinese government is lower than the scum on this earth. Hell, that is an insult to scum. I fell as if I am unable to do anything about it. It is hard to stop a fascist government.

Boycotting the Olympics is not enough. Stopping them from being held there may hurt China some, but not enough.

What can we do to stop this?
- MadOgre, on 04/25/2008, -2/+13War. Obviously. Regime change. That's the only way to stop them. Unfortunately.
  Free Tibet... LOL... HOW? Are you willing to pull the trigger and get it done? Or do you just like the T-Shirt? How far are you willing to go to Free Tibet?
  - natchiketa, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2If I have to 'go' anywhere... then is it really free?
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/25/2008, -2/+16Absolutely nothing.
  
  China is a sovereign state, if you want them to change you need to either get the Chinese to support a regime change (that won't happen because the Chinese see the current government as heroes because of the recent and newfound prosperity) or you need to get another state to attack and remove them forcibly, creating millions upon millions of victims and against the will of the very people you are trying to liberate and most probably your own.
  
  What you can do is stop participating to it.
  You can try to boycott but without an alternative, it's impossible. So the only thing left to do is either find or create an alternative to Chinese products and compete. Except that's also nearly impossible. Average chinese working conditions and salary would be considered inhumane in North America and Europe.
  
  Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTsrf2OoBCk
- Wesside, on 04/25/2008, -5/+21Stop buying ***** from China?
- nycmac247, on 04/25/2008, -11/+11stop your own county's killing first?
- urothane, on 04/25/2008, -3/+14Stop buying Chinese products, elect government officials that punish those who export jobs to China, donate to organizations like Amnesty International, Reporters Without Borders, Students for a Free Tibet. There are many things you can do, you are not helpless. While I will not be watching the Olympics this year or even listening to any news about it (unless it is a protest at the games), the games will not stop and China will make lots of money from it.
  
  I fear that this small peaceful country at the top of the world will either kill our economy because China calls to collect on our debt, or cause WW3 because China gets pissed off with everyone telling them what to do. Where will we be when 25% of the world's population takes up arms because they all believe the Tibetans are violent? Where will be when the fastest growing economy in the world converts from being a consumer production economy to a war production one? Where will we be when the country known as the west's factory floor stops working for us and starts working against us. There is a lot more to fear than than most realize.
  - RequiemHunter, on 04/25/2008, -0/+21. Stop buying Chinese product? That would never work. The very computer you are reading this from is probably Made In China. So does the desk you put the computer on and the chair you sit. The server that hosts this forum are probably also made there. As much as I hate to say this, but consumer in US cannot get away from China. At least not before they stop complaining about paying $3 a gallon for oil. Things that are not made there is going to cause a lot more dent in your personal finance then that $3 oil.
    
    2. Punish those who exports job to China? Too late, almost EVERY major company in US has dealing in China. By doing so, you are going to drive up the bottom line of those company, forcing them to increase their price. Or they may simply scale back their operation and lay off some people.
    
    I do agree with your last few points tho. This tiny place at the top of the world is going to cause us a lot more harm than we could possibly imagine. However, maybe it is a good thing. It make people realize how big is this international market thing.
    - ElAssoWipo, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4"forcing them to increase their price."
      
      And there you have it. It's not that you can't, it's that doing so will force you to pay the real value of the things you buy.
      
      Our comfort is entirely based on their poverty. The force of China is workers that don't unionize and who will work for next to nothing.
      
      Can you imagine how much a television would cost if it was entirely made in the US?
    - natchiketa, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2The only reason China is growing so quickly is because they've got over a billion people, most of them working for practically nothing. And those hundreds of millions, they live much more simply than we do. The vast majority of them don't spend anywhere near as much, on worthless, retarded ***** CRAP, as we do. They're not spoiled like we are. And the government makes them work for each other, and not for the endless, mindless gratification of the single individual, as if that individual could exist without the whole.
      
      If we just learned to live without all the useless crap we surround ourselves with, and just consume less, work harder—stop feeling like we deserve it all just because we're Americans, then we could eliminate our dependance on China.
      
      Forget where it's made already. You know where all the coolest ***** is conceived. Let's conceive ourselves a cool way out of this Chinese dependence.
      - ElAssoWipo, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1You wouldn't need to compete with the equivalent of 1920's american workers if you isolated the economy and only imported what you need.
        
        Reducing yourself to the level of a third-world paesent is not a good way to improve the economy.
        
        But you are absolutely right about overconsumerism.
    - urothane, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1You are right, but please note I didn't say it would be easy. The reality of it is that China has too much control over our economy and country. Should they decide to be mean, they can plummet the value of the dollar or jack up prices on their exports and we could do nothing about it. Should we decide to stop buying from them and make things stateside, then we will pay more for the labor which drives up the cost of the product which requires more expensive labor in order for it to be bought thus driving us deep into the inflation cycle. Either way, we are not the superpower we once were. While we play policeman with the rest of the world, China has taken over as the only superpower.
  - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1"Where will we be when 25% of the world's population takes up arms because they all believe the Tibetans are violent? "
    
    Sure, 1 billion population, but not a proportional army. What, they'll send their 900 million farmers with sticks?
    - Marlic, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2they don't need high tech weapons to kill ya. One billion spits will kill ya!
    - urothane, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Right now the vast majority of Chinese are under the belief that the west is supporting a terrorist state named Tibet. These people are getting pissed off being told what to do. They wear t-shirts and carry banners in protest of Tibet, France, the United States and all other nations that have protested the torch run. IF the relationship between the west and China were to come to blows, it is safe to assume that those who are not part of the military machine in China will do whatever they can to support the machine as it "defends" the country from foreign "aggressors". I use quotes only to emphasize 1) we can't predict who the aggressors will be at this time and 2) the way they see the world is vastly different than we do and they feel attacked now politically which could lead to physical retaliation.
      
      Keep in mind that during WW2, the majority of the United States citizens were not equipped for war, but they took up the war effort by rationing and in filling roles in factories to manufacture the war machines. Particularly important to note is the role of women at that time. Previously they were severely limited in their roles of employment to things like teachers, librarians, and nurses. WW2 got them training and opened up the world of blue collar labor among other things. The same would very likely happen in China.
- Jan33, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2jack *****?
- Impulsives, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1If the OP and some of the previous repliers have any semblance of Sino-US relations, they would realize that the two countries are so economically intertwined that hurting one or the other is not beneficial to either party involved, so boycotting Chinese products does not benefit the US in any economic form, in the end, it will be common people like us that will feel the effects of higher costing goods and etc.
  The argument that other labor markets are available is completely bull, the simple fact is that Americans want cheap goods but then get all morally responsible when they realize what it took for that pair of jeans to be made at the price that they are willing to buy it at. Welcome to Globalization.
  From the previous posts, it seems people think that China can just up and turn against its current partners. You aren't treading on any new territory, what you are basically doing is applying Western (European) models of government/foreign policy theory to Eastern standards which is entirely inapplicable; by European models, China should have become an overtly aggressive military nation (like Nazi Germany or post WW2 Soviet Union) 10 years ago, but it never did, did it?
  People should be supporting greater rights in Tibet under the Chinese government, not absolute autonomy, because if you step back and realize the strategic importance of Tibet, you would realize that China will not give up the region.
  - coreman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1You mean, like Mongolia was a "strategic" asset (big buffer against USSR)? China cut Mongolia free some time ago. There is no reason why they can't just leave Tibet alone. But...no. Must save face.
- lrony, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4I'm sorry to say, but you are an ignorant little Biatch.
  
  1. Get you facts straight. China is Communist, not fascist. In fact, here's a definition of fascism:
  
  "Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, autocracy and opposition to political and economic liberalism."
  
  Notice how one for them is ANTI-COMMUNISM? O rly now?
  
  2. You know what you can do to stop this? Nothing. Each country is ran a different way and apparently, China's wealth is growing better than ever with it's current policies, while democratic nations are fearing the rise of the power. Believe me, I don't really want another country to surpass the US economy, but it seems inevitable now.
  
  3. The fact that everyone is using the Olympics as an excuse to pick out of the Chinese government's flaws is highly unnecessary. Fact is, things like this goes on in China everyday before the focus on the Olympics and no one really seemed to care until now. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of berating China's policies, that most people (like you) have no idea what they are really arguing about and have the most Bull**** backing their failed arguments.
  
  I think enough is said here.
  - khrome23, on 04/26/2008, -0/+31. I'm glad we had this little lesson in semantics. But knowing the right words doesn't make the actions any less wrong.
    
    2. Enjoy your complacency
    
    3. People have been fighting for Tibet long before the Olympics. The Olympics just drew more awareness to the cause. Just because something has been "going on" for a while doesn't make it right. By your logic, we shouldn't have done a damn thing about slavery because that's just how it's always been.
    
    Yeah, I think you've said enough here.
    - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Dugg
  - gabrielg01, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Communists are the same as fascists because they believe in a totalitarian regime, and use the same methods to run the country.
ep53, on 04/25/2008, -10/+1His voice is monotone, i skipped backward and forwards and it allways stays the same....
chirwan, on 04/25/2008, -43/+18***** Tibet :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrkriu934

http://www.*****.com/
- chirwan, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6It happens anywhere where you have a large group of minorities and an authority who tries to suppress them.
  Syria to Kurds
  Turkey to Kurds
  US to Iraq's
  Israelis to Palestine's
  Sudan, Africa, etc..etc..
  - barius, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1I don't think the US is trying to suppress the Iraqis. They may be trying to suppress one faction (generally referred to as terrorists), but in doing so they are trying to foster an inclusive democratic government that, if successful, would free the Iraqis from oppressive despotic government. Are they doing a good job of it? No. But that's a topic for another discussion.
    - Viend, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1They are trying to suppress one faction, but in their eyes the whole country belongs to that faction.
- uriman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3omg hilarious
- BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5Digg up and down are too close together ***** clicked the wrong one. ***** you and your idiotic links chirwan. The main difference is Tibetans are peace loving Buddhists now sadly being driven to violence by an oppressive, police state.
  - chirwan, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1easy there man. I'm not taking sides. I think Tibetans are driven by their religion, and you should study the state of Tibet before the 'police state' how everyone was a slave to the Dali lama linage and everything they owned and made went to the monks. People were starving to death etc.. I suggest you read up on this state...
    
    If a mob ( a group of people lets say for example the people of the FLDS I use this analogy since they are peace loving and they also want the government to leave them alone lets say this group wanted to be separated from the u.s. and wanted Alaska to them self's for example... took to the streets of the u.s. damaging stores, cars, and killing civilians do u think the government of the u.s. should stand by and let it happen?
    
    (i know my imagination is very limited..)
- LupeFiasco, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3***** you and your stupid links. You're acting like Tibetan violence came out of the blue. You and your fellow anti-tibet friends need to pull their heads from out their asses and look at whats been happening to Tibetans for the last 50 years.
  Or is your government suppressing this information too?
  And what the hell is the deal with all the communist rhetoric. Communism doesn't work and the fact that your country is now prosperous because of capitalism is proof of that.
  - Wrangler76, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How does stoning a Chinese boy and burning down stores with women inside help their cause? Where's the communist rhetoric by the way?
- chirwan, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1easy there man. I'm not taking sides. I think Tibetans are driven by their religion, and you should study the state of Tibet before the 'police state' how everyone was a slave to the Dali lama linage and everything they owned and made went to the monks. People were starving to death etc.. I suggest you read up on this state...
  
  If a mob ( a group of people lets say for example the people of the FLDS I use this analogy since they are peace loving and they also want the government to leave them alone lets say this group wanted to be separated from the u.s. and wanted Alaska to them self's for example... took to the streets of the u.s. damaging stores, cars, and killing civilians do u think the government of the u.s. should stand by and let it happen?
  
  (i know my imagination is very limited..)
  - barius, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4There are key differences here. First, there is no dispute as to whether Alaska was once an independent state, it wasn't. Tibet on the other hand has a history of being largely independent.
    Second, I don't dispute the historical despotism of Tibet's Buddhist government. On the other hand, while China may 'feed the people' they are systematically crushing their culture (spirit) and overrunning the native population through massive influx of Chinese settlers.
    
    The point to what China is doing is to get as many Chinese settlers inside Tibet as possible. Having a significant Chinese ethnicity within Tibet will make any Tibetan claims to independence moot as the local Chinese will make sure it never happens. It is the same thing the Europeans did to the Native Americans, it's the same thing the Albanians did to Kosovo and it's the same thing Israel did to Palestine. Will China win? Probably. Does that make it right? Absolutely not.
    - Wrangler76, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Crushing their spirit! Oh no! Hahaha! Overrunning the native population! LOL Good god. Stop the immigration to America! A large # of the initial Chinese immigration into Tibet were for the skilled workers required. You can't exactly get a state that just came out of serfdom (0 schooling, 0 medical care, religiously brainwashed) to modernize without the help of the Chinese. AFAIK, in the TAR and in Lhasa, the majority are still ethnic Tibetans though the exile gov't still loves claiming other wise. In Lhasa, the latest census shows that they are 80% ethnic Tibetans. Yes, there is a train going from China into Lhasa which is bringing in CHinese immigrants who open up stores and have expanded the economy greatly. Consequently, life expectancy, income, quality of life, etc have risen.
      
      Those arguments are absolutely ridiculous though. Immigration and 'cultural genocide'? The pro-tibet say that the cultural genocide is occurring because of the immigration, because new generations of Tibetans choose to learn chinese intead of tibetan because they have more opportunities that way (gee wonder why?- because they're not isolated serfs anymore?!), and because they are limited on their public religious expressions. Oh boo hoo. THey can't masturbate over the Lama's picture. Digg was never about religious fanatics. The reason that there were as little revolts against the Lama's theocratic, slavery-like state was BECAUSE of the religious brainwashing that happened to them.
      
      Even in 1959, when Chinese immigration was limited, the revolts failed partly because the local ETHNIC TIBETAN population didn't support it. THis was documented by Westerners. These riots weren't even about independence. Of the few western journalists there, they all have said that the Tibetans complained about socioeconomic inequality issues, NOT independence or autonomy. I'm pretty sure you didn't know that. Yeah, like the CHinese govenrment needs CHinese citizens to prevent independence calls when even the ethnic tibetans don't give a hoot. Keep the idiotic theories to yourself.
- mille716, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3I am the only one who actually went to the *****.com website? Chirwan, do you not realize that website is satire? The brag about how all their shirts are made from Tibetan prisoner help. The poster writes in horrible Engrish. Figure it out people.
  - chirwan, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1yes.. I was just posting some interesting links
BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -6/+20Disgusting, something tells me this happens a lot.
- MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Every day, and in fully packed sports arenas. It's one thing the Chinese got right: executions should be public.
- shortcircuit13, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2"something tells me this happens a lot."
  
  That would be the absinthe talking.
lorductape, on 04/25/2008, -17/+13boycott.
- gabbagabba, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2for what stopping tibetan theocracy from rebuilding an even more oppressive system? maybe you should read more about tibetan history instead of looking at it from an anti-communist angle
anthonykpc, on 04/25/2008, -8/+13Disgusting.
audioscience, on 04/25/2008, -7/+17This is old but still very pertinent. Digg.
CrazedLeper, on 04/25/2008, -24/+17How different is this from what's happening in Iraq? Or what's going to happen in Iran? Do your own laundry before your point at the stains on your neighbor's clothing.
- ftyuv, on 04/25/2008, -4/+22People can't be against both injustices? Our government has to be sterling before we can speak out against anything? There are plenty of Americans who are against what happens in Iraq as well as what happens between China and Tibet.
  - corfe83, on 04/25/2008, -2/+10Digg this guy up. We can criticize both governments, and don't let anyone tell you differently.
- MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -10/+4How many Iraqis have we executed? Last I checked it was 0. The locals do that.
  - hydehk, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1u mean excluding all the innocent civilians?
    Yea, its zero then
    btw how long did you not watch 60mins?
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3-Media is free to cover Iraq
  -No civilians have been executed (
  - shortcircuit13, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Media free to cover Iraq?
    Ummm... where you have been for the last 8 years?
    - NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2how is it not free? Every agency has people there, hell, even Al Jazerra gets reports in some how. Iraq is a total cluge and everybody in the world hates the "war." It must be that Pro-invasion media everyone is watching.
  - NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I had a long post and it got FKed up when I submitted it.
  - albatross5000, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1We haven't executed civilians in Iraq? You are retarded.
    - NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I'm retarded, yet you don't know what the word execute fully implies. Riiiiiiiight. Or maybe you do know what it means, but your head's too full of blog-o-spam from people who really don't care what happens in Iraq as long as it can be used to smack on the USA.
- sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -1/+9Hey *****, are we talking about Iraq right now? Where in the video was the Iraq invasion defended? Oh wait, thats right, it wasn't mentioned. So basically what your saying is that we can't find wrong in China's human rights abuses because the US is in Iraq? You sir are a ***** moron.
rezist, on 04/25/2008, -5/+19I think that is is important to separate the people of China and Taiwan from China's gov. I see (hear/read) many people voicing out against China without making that important distinction. I clearly remember supporting the Tibetan freedom cause 10 years ago (I'm 27 now) and never thinking that this would be allowed to continue for so long, I was so naive then. Keep up the posting... to bad these submissions get far less Diggs than cats bumping their heads on *****.
- ScythedBlade, on 04/25/2008, -1/+0... Hey, the cats were cute ...
  
  I wouldn't dig this more than the cat one, because it's not as fun. However, I'd still digg it ... but I really don't like bad news appearing on the front page ... it's not so happy ...
- diggrnumber1, on 04/26/2008, -0/+5i'm sorry if this offends anyone, but most chinese are huge patriots that support their country's occupation of tibet. now, you could say that they are brainwashed, but even in the u.s. it is like this. I go to UCLA. There was a "Free Tibet" rally, but more China supporters showed-up than pro-tibet people. It was probably like a 5 to 1 ratio. This is even more true in china. The government is trying to suppress PRO-China protests now, too:
  
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120897437672638787 ...
- pseudononymist, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4I don't think anyone associates Taiwanese with the Chinese government
  - rezist, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1what? some Chinese/Americans do. What is you background? Do you truly believe that the majority of the poor working class living in the U.S, Canada, U.K. etc... are in touch with East Asian affairs? You are very off base. Respond please...
    - pseudononymist, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Most Americans think Taiwan is a country fully independent of China, that's all.
- rezist, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Most American college students couldn't even point Taiwan out in a map... you are so blind to reality!
  - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Most Americans can't point out the US on the World Map, or even states within the US. But that doesn't mean they don't understand issues. I couldn't point exactly certain African countries where some genocide has happened about 10 years ago (and happened before and still happen) but that doesn't mean I can't have strong opinions about it.
nutniqs, on 04/25/2008, -15/+10The Olympics will be a slap in the face for the Chinese anyway. The world will see what a mockery they have done to their own environment. It will be hard to refute a broadcast of ***** brown skies all day. Maybe they will finally see what they (China's industrial complex) are = greedy, intolerant, wasteful, evil.
- Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6Just like what every other developed country went through during their own industrial revolution. Sigh...
- shortcircuit13, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6Obviously you've never been to China in the last 5 years, else you'd know that you're full of far more ***** than its skies.
- akamurph, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Aren't they shutting down the factories a couple weeks prior to the Olympics to clear the skies?
iRis9091, on 04/25/2008, -15/+9***** CHINA
all please digg this

Boycott the 2008 olympics.
pencilneck, on 04/25/2008, -4/+6I think this kind of thing is going to end because the genie has been let out of the bottle in China. The people know what freedom is and in due time the idea of being a commie will fade away.
- shortcircuit13, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1It already has faded away.
  
  It's no longer 1980, boy.
  But, that's inconvenient for the neo-McCarthyists, isn't it? Carry on in your judgmental ignorance, then.
  - groovechamp30, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1They actually love it, the Chinese are incredibly patriotic and actively reject the criticism our free press has for their government. They seem even offended by it. They dont seem to understand how a free press works.
- asus2000, on 06/30/2008, -0/+2Freedom? Do you think the 2008 election has "top tier candidates" or people chosen by the COPR?
  Freedom is an illusion...
ksmcafee, on 04/25/2008, -4/+16this seriously makes me feel sick to my stomach, and the fact that im powerless to do anything only amplifies that feeling. sad.
- philhatesyou, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3You're not powerless, just a ***** coward. Get off your ass, go buy a gun, and take it to Tibet and fight back for them.
  - laserblazer, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2This comment doesn't seem like it would lead to any real aid for Tibet. Getting arrested taking a firearm to Tibet would probably not help the average Tibetan much.
- gabrielg01, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2you can boycott Chinese products.
Leathersoup, on 04/25/2008, -13/+7Unfortunately most of you people don't realize that without the Chinese government taking over Tibet, Tibet would most likely still be a serfdom. The Dalai Lama and his henchmen... er monks were treated like gods whereas the lower classes were basically slaves.
There's no doubt in my mind that the monks want Tibet back. They had things easy back then. Now they probably have to work for a living.
- BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1Check my comment below and do some research
- barius, on 04/25/2008, -0/+5They aren't much better than serfs now. The ethnic Chinese will never consider the ethnic Tibetans as equal, and their government has no laws regarding this. The end result will be the Tibetan population remaining forever a second-class citizen in it's own country. This is the pattern of demographic conquest used throughout history. If you need proof, just look at the Native Americans, Kosovars, Palestinians and other such populations conquered through demographics. There are even examples within China already, such as the Uyghurs.
- shortcircuit13, on 04/25/2008, -4/+3"They aren't much better than serfs now."
  
  Tibet is the most autonomous Chinese province in existence. Nice try at the trendy "poor Tibetans!" emotional appeal, though.
  - coreyao7, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0The reason why they're an 'autonomous province is because their sovereign nation was invaded and occupied by China. Thank go they were saved from the hideous prospect of determining their own form of government..
- gabbagabba, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Oh but they are much better now, now instead of being dominated by a class of incredibly wealthy landowners and religious fanatics tibetan people can now access fundamental things such as education, healthcare, income (most serfs prior to chinese invasion were under bonded labour which is almost slavery) and they have a ***** more freedoms than they did. If you were less americentric you'd understand that accross the world, freedom and equality are viewed differently than your perception. Tibetan's aren't second class citizens in China, they are treated the same as all other chinese people. If any other group in china (because there are more than just tibetan budhists who are seeking sovereignty). Only the old powerfull elite in tibet are trying to free tibet, these are people who do not want the kind of economic equality sought after by the chinese government, this is not a movement to bring democracy, its a movement to bring back theocracy.
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2LEATHERSOUP,
  
  WHAT A 110% YOU SPEAK OF ! HOW INHUMANE OF YOU TO BELIEVE IN SUCH PROPAGANDA PUSHED BY CCP !
  
  YOU ARE SAYING MORE THAN 150,000 + TIBETAN REFUGEES ARE HAPPY ?
  YOU ARE SAYING TIBETANS ALL OVER TIBET (EVEN IN PROVINCE AMDO & KHAM ANNEXED INTO CHINESE PROVINCE) ARE HAPPY?
  IF THIS IS SO, THEN WHY ARE MY PEOPLE STILL PROTESTING, ALL OVER TIBET ! EVEN IN CHINA ! AGAINST CHINESE BRUTAL OCCUPATION ! CHINESE GOV'T BRUTAL POLICIES ON TIBETANS !
Selenica, on 04/25/2008, -15/+3You suck China. We're going to nuke you one of these days.
- duckyinc, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5They have nukes too noob.. and one day they will have more then "us"
had3l, on 04/25/2008, -3/+10I read: "Chinese excuses Tibetans". For a second I was thinking "Well, good for them!"
JordB, on 04/25/2008, -9/+9absolutely disgusting
BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -8/+22Yes tibet was a serfdom and yes Tibet was poor but mainly due to the fact that it was all but completely cut off from the world by mountains. Tibetans were and still are incredibly religious, both aristocrat and serf alike. The poor were certainly not oppressed, this is a Buddhist country, and were in fact relatively happy, there were religious festivals almost weekly where rich and poor stood side by side in celebration. The vast majority of male children chose to become monks and were completely looked after by the state, living in Buddhist temples.
If Tibet was such a terrible place to live as some of you seem to think it was, why would a supremely peaceful nation be now turning to violence to rid themselves of this Chinese regime and go back to the way things were?
- pvnrt, on 04/25/2008, -5/+11because they're not as peaceful as you thought they were
  - ScythedBlade, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Dugg for accuracy ...
- Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -11/+17Hello, you're making the argument that near-slavery made them happy? Good god. Yes, theocracies work in horrible ways to control the people: through religion. Even buddhism is not free from corrupt leaders. Tibet was poor because they focused on the rich nobles who wanted to be even more rich, it's not because of god damn mountains. ANd define oppression. Most of the populations were serfs who were treated as property. They suffered horrible conditions and worked for free. Those who rebelled were tortured. Many children were taken away from their family for the nobles' own terrible uses. The serfs were taxed endlessly. Yes, there were reports of people rebelling and trying to get away, but a lot of people did nothing because of their religious teachings. Does that mean they were not oppressed? No, that means they did not know it. Who was behind this whole grand scheme that one would call evil these days? The Dalai Lama- the same one who lived in a massive palace. The same one who is trying to get "autonomy" back for his people.
  
  A supremely peaceful nation? They had their own revolts and wars over the past centures - not even ones against Chinese communists. Just because they they are buddhist does not mean they are peaceful. I don't even know how you can claim that if you have taken one look at Tibet's history.
  
  Also, why say that an entire nation is turning to violence? Less than 0.5% of the population turned out for the riots even though the police did nothing to stop them in the first few days for some reason (which angered the residents who had their shops burned). That's not what I would call turning themselves to violence to rid themselves of the Chinese regime. Most of the rioters were of the poor. Their complaints? Socioeconomic inquality and rumours of monks getting killed. They were not complaining about wanting autonomy or independence. Only a few even waved around Tibet flags or burned Chinese ones. THis was all reported by FOREIGN journalists. Yet, strangely enough, very few Western MSM reported this information, but chose to spew the words crackdown and independence over and over. Thus, I don't blame you for being horribly misinformed.
- davin510, on 04/25/2008, -7/+13Tibet was a typical feudal state with clear a division between the land-owning rich and oppressed poor. The land was owned by two distinct groups: the rich secular landowners and a few rich theocratic lamas. The rulers kept power by through classic serfdom in which workers were bound to work the land with no pay and were heavily taxed for such social necessities as marriage, birth, death of family members, and kept in debt by being taxed for trivial acts such as planting a tree in one's yard, dancing in public, holding religious festivals, and even for being unemployed. Debts were passed on through generations meaning children born to serfs did not move up in social hierarchy.
  
  Serfs who attempted to escape were hunted down by the much like black slaves in the south. Tibet maintained a small army who's main duty was to protect landowner's property and tract down runaway serfs. Once captured, serfs were often beaten and tortured (including maiming to prevent future escapes). Similar cruelties were laid upon serfs who openly protested against their impoverished ways of life. Pretty young girls were often used as sex slaves and young boys were taken from their families and placed in monasteries (where sexual abuse was common) for life. Serfs were uneducated and were not provided with medical treatments from their landlords.
  
  Buddhism was used as a tool to oppress serfs. Those serfs who questioned the legitimacy of their masters rule were told that their current poor state was brought upon by their wicked ways of past lives. Reincarnation was crux in the ruling class's argument against equality within the populous.
  
  With the occupation of the Chinese forces in 1959 came both oppression of rights for the ruling class and freedom from worse oppression from the serfs. With the occupation also came medicine and education for all which has nearly doubled life expectancy. However, the Chinese government also killed tens of thousands of Tibetans during the cultural revolution (which even in China is now seen as a gross violation of human rights). Today's Tibetan culture resembles nothing like those of days past, and only a small percent of the population still remember what life was like during old feudal rule.
  
  Now that Tibet has been modernized by the Chinese central government, the Tibetan people are protesting against the loss of their heritage (which is a very legitimate fear) and are arguing for a free autonomous Tibet. However, if history is any indicator, traditional Tibetan rule will reintroduce many more human rights violations than are present in the current PRC regime.
  - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1So, China helped modernize and bring up infrastructure to Tibet. Europeans did that many places the world over, and got out after a while.
    So, when is China finally going to get out? Or do they now think Tibet belongs to them indefinitely?
- yfph, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3And Disney's "Song of the South" is an accurate depiction of the post-Civil War Reconstruction era...
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/25/2008, -6/+6SHAME ON THESE CHINESE POSTERS !
  
  PATHETICALLY TRYING TO JUSTIFY CHINA'S BRUTAL CONTROL OVER TIBETANS LIVE IN EVERY FORM !
  
  CHINESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS PUT AWAY YOUR NATIONALISTIC PRIDE AND BE HUMAN FOR ONCE !
  AND RETURN OUR LAND AND FREEDOM TO US !
  - pseudononymist, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1shut up
  - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Hold on the CAPS man
- thecoolestguy, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2The Tibetan people by and large don't want the Chinese in their land. The Chinese government is sending millions of Chinese in there to change the demographic reality of the country so that they can say that the majority of the people in Tibet support being part of the country. The reality is, the Tibetans DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF CHINA.
- uriman, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1You mean like Israel?
duckyinc, on 04/25/2008, -22/+5Haha this video is from 2006, you gotta love lies huh?
- JCPahl, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Haha, that was like 2 whole ***** YEARS ago! I can't even REMEMBER 2006!
sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -12/+36China should never have gotten the olympic bid. ***** the IOC.
- Aristarkhos, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2I agree. I dont understand how they won the bid. I thought they were under scrutiny on human rights issues. I guess money talks. I hope they never ever get Tibet or Taiwan.
minairia, on 04/25/2008, -26/+19Why do we condemn the Chinese for maintaining order in their own country? Ask any southerner about the "War of Northern Aggression" or ask someone from Georgia just how they feel about Lincoln or Grant. When the Tibetans ran rampant through Lhasa, randomly burning, killing and looting somehow they became heroes. However, if the same thing happened in New York or Atlanta the same activist liberal types would be screaming for the National Guard to come in and restore order. It is interesting that 99% of the "Team Tibet" activists are a bunch of long haired Spicoli burn out types who likely can't even find Tibet on the map; these people have no idea what a medieval, hellish nightmare Tibet was before 1959 when the Chinese marched in and brought modernization. Mongolia was under the same repressive control of the Buddhist clergy. The communist party there, with the assistance of the Soviet Union, executed most of the monks and threw them into unmarked graves. Now, Mongolia is a reasonably prosperous, relatively democratic and very independent country. If the Tibetans had risen up and tossed those pedophilic, sodomite, oppressive, rent taking, feudalistic monks off the nearest mountain top when they had a chance, Tibet might be an independent nation today. Before you digg me down, research a bit about the real history of Tibet from neutral sources to understand how beneficial Chinese rule has been in that region.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -7/+14take the Mao ***** out of your ears and mouth! are you serious? Why don't you read some reports of what happend in tibet from non-chinese media sources?
  - Impulsives, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I can tell you that the Times reported mass property damage to non-native Tibetans during the March protests/riots that is very similar to the Night of the Broken Glass that was perpetrated by a certain now taboo German party. Peaceful protests resulting in major property damage of individuals who have little to do with the actual "oppression".
    - NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I read about it. Tibetans FKed the local Han up. But it wasn't out of the blue, even if it could be argued it was mis-directed.
  - Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -0/+11What he said WAS from non-Chinese sources. For *****'s sakes, put our free media to good use and look at something other than BBC, CNN, and FOX. *****. This pisses me off. It wouldn't surprise me if you just don't care though. Other *****-for-brains like WikiEasy just ignored everything I explained to them and went on with their Anti-China *****. Bunch of brainwashed, yellow peril sheep.
- sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -4/+11Your moral relativism is scary. That video showed tibetians getting arbitrarily executed, anyone who can defend that is a waste of a human being.
- WikiEasy, on 04/25/2008, -2/+16Shooting unarmed people from afar? That sounds reasonable to you?
- BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6Medieval hellish nightmare? See comment my above. Being a monk in Tibet was voluntary, any male child could become a monk. You need to do the research.
  - minairia, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Check out the New York Times from the early part of the century, The Encyclopedia Britannica and other more scholarly sources to learn the truth. Since 1959, the Dalai Lama and his clique have been on a world wide charm offensive designed to influence Western celebrities, emptied headed glitterati, etc. They have worked to present a image of themselves as gentle, peace loving individuals. This just isn't the truth at all. Yes, being a monk was voluntary in that peasant families burdened with debt to the monasteries that would take generations to pay could volunteer their children as monks and somewhat reduce the debt. The children would be sexually abused, raped and were bonded for life to the monastery.
    - showat, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3So you compare the actions of a old dynasty to that of a new dynasty and say that because the old was brutal, the new, modern, enlightened dynasty has the right to act the same way?
    - BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Believe what you want to believe I guess. Systematic rape is certainly something I have never seen associated with Buddhist monks. I'm not denying there may have be isolated incidents, look at the Catholic Church, but abuse and rape go against everything the Buddhists believe in. I've seen the Dalai Lama interviewed, he strikes me as genuine, I just don't believe its all a ruse. I've met many Tibetans in Northern India and Nepal and they are without doubt the kindest people I've ever met, literally every single one, must be the mountain air. I think you need to go to that part of the world to really understand this struggle. Painting Tibet as a 'medieval hellish nightmare' is about as far from the truth as you can get.
      
      Could you be more concise with the references, the NYT from the early part of the century is a bit vague. I'm genuinely interested where you get this information from.
  - philhatesyou, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Indeed, and by not becoming monks, Tibetans who lived hundreds of years ago "voluntary" gave up having any sort of rights as a human being.
- fpaudon, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6"It is interesting that 99% of the "Team Tibet" activists are a bunch of long haired Spicoli burn out types who likely can't even find Tibet on the map"
  And that's why I hate Free Tibet protestors. Or any protestors for that matter. However, that doesn't make it any less important of a cause
- coreman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6I suppose all of the Native Americans on US indian reservations should feel grateful that us modern white people brought them modernization, too, and freed them from (most of) their nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyles. Instead, those uppity assholes do things like kill FBI agents, etc., and seem to enjoy sitting around getting drunk or stoned in their burned out modern government-supplied housing that they've let go to waste.
  - RUDigging, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Free Native American! Emm, do I got your point right?
- barius, on 04/25/2008, -4/+7"Why do we condemn the Chinese for maintaining order in their own country?"
  Tibet is not their own country. Only the Chinese believe that.
  
  "Ask any southerner about the "War of Northern Aggression""
  Yes, the American Civil war was unfortunate. However, the southern states were not overrun by northern settlers and retained a large degree of autonomy because of the nature of the early Republic. Tibet, on the other hand, faces a massive influx of Chinese migrants taking over their land and economy and are increasing being relegated to second-class status because the Chinese government does not regard equality as a basic right.
  
  "When the Tibetans ran rampant through Lhasa, randomly burning, killing and looting somehow they became heroes."
  Perhaps to their own people, yes. That is understandable as they are perceived as defenders of their people. However, I think the rest of the world has widely condemned their violent actions and their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has vocally denounced it. What I want to know is, where is the condemnation of the Chinese government for the violence of their own people against the Tibetans?
  
  "It is interesting that 99% of the "Team Tibet" activists are a bunch of long haired Spicoli burn out types who likely can't even find Tibet on the map;"
  Your generalization only hurts your argument. Most of the activists are themselves Tibetans that escaped that country before the occupation. Others that desire to help them come from many backgrounds and walks-of-life, they're not all hippies. While I can't argue that few people have a deep understanding of the situation that lead up to the current problems, or even of the current problems themselves, I will argue that the Chinese people are among the least knowledgeable. The reasons for their lack of knowledge are many, but here's a few: willful ignorance (they ignore it because they want to believe they own Tibet); patriotism (they believe they should own Tibet because their nation is 'better'); government propaganda (the Chinese government has the most effective propaganda machine in the world).
  
  "Before you digg me down, research a bit about the real history of Tibet from neutral sources to understand how beneficial Chinese rule has been in that region."
  Perhaps you should read up on the all the bad things too.
  - minairia, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3In terms of Tibet being part of China, here is a little bit of the historical record:
    
    The Ming Dynasty (1368–1644) issued various titles to Tibetan leaders and the Tibetans accepted these titles.
    
    In 1725 two high Chinese commissioners had been appointed to control the temporal affairs of the country.
    
    The Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, drafted by the British, Britain recognized the "suzerainty of China over "Thibet".
    
    Since the signing of the Seventeen Point Agreement in 1951, Tibet has been officially incorporated into the People's Republic of China.
    
    As for migrants coming into the area to work and do business, even in China people have the right to move about as they more-or-less as they see fit in search of business opportunities and a better life. Han Chinese and Muslim Hui people have found Tibet a fertile area to grow businesses and make money. In China's wild west, dog-eat-dog capitalism, the most aggressive, business savvy types rise to the top of the heap. Nothing is holding Tibetans from opening clothing stores, etc. Most of the Chinese and Hui were mud patty rice farmers at home who saved some money and went forth to better themselves.
    
    As for my characterization of the "Team Tibet" types I might have spoken too broadly. However, from images on TV (The ones who climbed the Golden Gate bridge in San Francisco, the ones who attacked the disabled torch bearer in Paris, the fellow who sat down in the torch route in Canberra, etc. ) they do seem to be 99% Caucasian and counter culture oriented.
    
    As for Chinese violence against Tibetans, as I said, when there were riot sin New York or L.A. our police left bodies in the street as well. Even if people have a valid reason to protest, the can't rush about burning, looting and setting people innocent people on fire.
    - barius, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1The Ming Dynasty did indeed provide titles to some Tibetan leaders. They did indeed work together closely. However, the Ming never made any proclamation or claim to the lands of Tibet or it's peoples. Further, with the fall of the Ming Dynasty any claims through government title became null and void because said government ceased to exist.
      
      The appointment of two Chinese commissioners does not imply control of an entire nation. The U.S. (and other nations) send similar envoys to other countries all time. They help to teach foreign governments how to improve their economy, or to bolster their democracies. In fact, after WW2 the U.S. sent many envoys to help the Chinese rebuild. Does that mean the U.S. holds some claim to Chinese lands? Absolutely not. And neither do the Chinese hold any such claim to Tibet.
      
      Regarding the Anglo-Russian Convention, I find it amusing that you point to agreements between historical Colonial Empires of the past, one of which has recanted its' ill gotten gains, as evidence of ownership over conquered territory.
      
      The Tibetans have their own words to say about the Seventeen Point Agreement: http://www.freetibet.org/info/file/file2.html
      
      "Nothing is holding Tibetans from opening clothing stores..."
      You truly believe that, you are more deluded than you sound. The native Tibetans are very much discriminated against, much as Africans were in the early U.S. (and still are to some degree). Further, the relative lack of education between Tibetans and the immigrant Chinese put them at a great disadvantage. Worse still is that the Chinese government would have you believe that they are 'educating' the Tibetans and raising them up from their 'dirty' past. In truth, the educational system is biased heavily towards the Chinese who get the best schools, and the curriculum is laced heavily with propaganda.
      
      "However, from images on TV..."
      You saw all that from the vantage point of your couch did you?
      
      "As for Chinese violence against Tibetans, as I said, when there were riot sin New York or L.A. our police left bodies in the street as well."
      I'm not sure how that has any relevance to the question of Tibetan sovereignty.
      
      "Even if people have a valid reason to protest, the can't rush about burning, looting and setting people innocent people on fire."
      There is evidence of police involvement in 'baiting' the riots in Lhasa. If such a thing were exposed in the U.S. heads would roll, but not in China apparently.
  - Beijing08Facade, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Thank you for your support my fellow human being !
    We TIBETANS are very different in every way except that we are human beings and live close to each other.
    Followings : Culture, Tradition, Religious ceremony, LANGUAGE !, looks, how we eat, sleeep and breath compassion.
    
    these things CHINESE ATHEIST State will not understand, so I ask you all Chinese to View us as human beings just like themselves and support our just cause to bring back our freedom, and to put an end to Brutal China's control of Tibet and Tibetans
Malarie, on 04/25/2008, -3/+7I am wondering ifthe Chineese killed 1 million tibetans...
- gabbagabba, on 04/25/2008, -6/+6I can assure you that before the chinese entered tibet, the tibetan monks probably were responsible for millions of deaths of their own people.
  - diggitny, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3What basis do you have for that outrageous claim?
    - sk11, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Most people from China have been brain washed by PRC schools. Just ask Chinese people from Hong Kong, Taiwan or Singapore.
- linuts, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4> I can assure you... probably...
  
  Yeah, I feel so assured. Got anything else you want to make up?
- Beijing08Facade, on 04/25/2008, -2/+51.2 Millions Tibetans were killed (DIRECTLY and Indirectly) by Chinese ILLEGAL AND BRUTAL INVASION OF TIBET !
  Tibetans still are being killed for demanding to maintain their Freedom, culture, Language, IDENTITY ! back
  
  I don't have grand parents (both father and mother side) because they were killed by China's "people liberation army", (only my father side grandmother died in India because of Disease)
  - travelbug6, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3Stop lying.
    
    Tibet had only about 1mn people back in the 50’s. The natural population growth rate of the US has been around 1% per annum. If Tibet had indeed suffered such a drastic population loss, how is it possible to have 3mn+ Tibetans now?
    
    Patrick French, who had campaigned for the Tibetan cause for 20 years and was the head of Free Tibet Campaign in London, was given access to the original documents that purported to support this massacre claim. Unfortunately he found them full of holes and came away with “the unwelcome conclusion that this survey was a statistically useless attempt to satisfy Western demands for data and tabulation” so that the Government in Exile could drum up western sympathy and support. [Tibet, Tibet, 2003]
    
    French had subsequently resigned from Free Tibet Campaign.
    - Aristarkhos, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2Well it does not clear China of its oppressive behaviour. We do not live in a dynasty-era, where a country can try to command authority over another andn claim it as its own.
KoolHow, on 04/25/2008, -13/+19The Chinese are engaged in genocide in Tibet. They are systematically trying to destroy their culture and religion and overrun the population with imported Chinese nationals. When I was in Tibet, Chinese soldiers were everywhere. The first day in Lhasa we were approached by some (very brave) Tibetan students who told us directly that the Chinese lie, steal and cheat and are working very hard to silence the people of Tibet. And as we can see from the video, kill anyone who tries to leave the country and would be able to report firsthand on the violence.

http://www.Changing-History.com
- barius, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8Not sure how you're getting dugg down, but you are absolutely correct. China is not taking over Tibet by force, but by demographics. They have more than enough population to simply displace the natives and claim the land due to ethnic majority, and that is exactly what they are doing. It happened to the Native Americans, it happened in Kosovo and it's happening in Tibet.
  - KoolHow, on 04/25/2008, -1/+6I have been commenting a lot on Tibetan matters and continually get dugg down. I wonder who is trying to suppress my words. There are a lot of Chinese government agents that work comment and message boards, or maybe it is just general ignorance. Thanks for your support!
    - Beijing08Facade, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Keep the RESISTANCE ALIVE ! we will all win this.
    - Loki101, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1The sad part is, it probably isn't "Chinese government agents" but individual Chinese posters. Chinese culture is a proud and predominantly chauvinistic one which is probably why the current communist government is playing up traditional values in the form of their "harmonious society" in the face of Westernization. Add nationalism and a heavy dose of censorship into the mix and you've got a population that's ready to rally to your side the moment you scream that there are barbarians at the gate. An ethnic Chinaman might not like the communist government much, but culturally he's more than likely to tell the rest of the world to piss off than to argue that they might have a point.
  - blagoaw, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Your comment describes it pretty well in my opinion. Tibetans have every reason to be upset about what's going on since Chinese government is trying to integrate the province into China in that way. While saying this though, I've got to say that it's unfortunate that they ever wound up with a domestic religion where there is a spiritual living God who they identify with as one of their own. As is sometimes the case, religions preach peace and understanding while there's something impossibly unbalanced in their operation and structure. I can understand why someone might think it's a good idea to undermine for a lasting peace in the long run, even though it's not something I could have a part in.
  - FriendofUsers, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1That's how they usually "invade" silently. Just send LOTS of people in a place to overrun it by population. They've done it plenty.
- pseudononymist, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1So what's going to happen to Tibet after it gains independence?
  - KoolHow, on 04/26/2008, -0/+0China will never willingly release Tibet. China plays a smart hand and China knows the value of the lands of Tibet. Along with prized minerals and fuels, yet most importantly are the waters of Tibet. China thinks forwardly and understands the rising value of fresh water resources over the coming decades and centuries. Tibet is the headwaters of most of the major rivers of Asia, which supply water to 1/2 the population of Asia (which is 1/3 the population of the world!). Control of the waters of Tibet is control of Asia.
    
    Initially China sough