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- uriman, on 04/25/2008, -7/+132reliable news source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6041870.stm
Note: This story is quite old. It's from Oct 2006. The OP only brought it up again because of the Olympics. - inactive, on 04/25/2008, -25/+103The United States government owes China about 1 trillion dollars, and pays China interest of around 400 Billion annually. It is US tax money that helps China do this.
- kurtwinter, on 04/25/2008, -62/+124***** China, Free Tibet, Boycott Beijing 2008.
- AlwaysAwake, on 04/25/2008, -10/+57Authority NEVER negotiates. Any pretense to negotiation is just that, a pretense. So, killing is as casual as eating an apple, thought they usually get a "tingle", dissappating quickly, and requiring a new "fix" soon, like any other addiction. This is not a judgment, but I've seen discharged vets in the VAMC's depressed and morose for losing their "license" to kill with impunity. Programmed to kill, their life seems meaningless without it.
- peterzero, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4040% interest? That sounds kinda high. Where did you get the numbers?
- oldhick, on 04/25/2008, -4/+29And your point? We sell bonds on the open market. Anyone can buy them, China simply bought a lot. Are you recommending we refuse to honor our bonds?
- sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -12/+36China should never have gotten the olympic bid. ***** the IOC.
- uriman, on 04/25/2008, -2/+20you cannot see anything in that photo. submit a uncropped version, pls
- rficwizard, on 04/25/2008, -0/+18We could get a handle our addiction to government spending, pay down the debt, and pay little interest to anybody. The federal government debt is outrageous, yet we continue to spend money we don't have a as a matter of course.
- ftyuv, on 04/25/2008, -4/+22People can't be against both injustices? Our government has to be sterling before we can speak out against anything? There are plenty of Americans who are against what happens in Iraq as well as what happens between China and Tibet.
- Wesside, on 04/25/2008, -5/+21Stop buying ***** from China?
- flibblesan, on 04/25/2008, -16/+31Hate the Chinese government, not the people. Making statements like you have will only label you as a racist.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -2/+16Absolutely nothing.
China is a sovereign state, if you want them to change you need to either get the Chinese to support a regime change (that won't happen because the Chinese see the current government as heroes because of the recent and newfound prosperity) or you need to get another state to attack and remove them forcibly, creating millions upon millions of victims and against the will of the very people you are trying to liberate and most probably your own.
What you can do is stop participating to it.
You can try to boycott but without an alternative, it's impossible. So the only thing left to do is either find or create an alternative to Chinese products and compete. Except that's also nearly impossible. Average chinese working conditions and salary would be considered inhumane in North America and Europe.
Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTsrf2OoBCk - rezist, on 04/25/2008, -5/+19I think that is is important to separate the people of China and Taiwan from China's gov. I see (hear/read) many people voicing out against China without making that important distinction. I clearly remember supporting the Tibetan freedom cause 10 years ago (I'm 27 now) and never thinking that this would be allowed to continue for so long, I was so naive then. Keep up the posting... to bad these submissions get far less Diggs than cats bumping their heads on *****.
- BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -6/+20Disgusting, something tells me this happens a lot.
- BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -8/+22Yes tibet was a serfdom and yes Tibet was poor but mainly due to the fact that it was all but completely cut off from the world by mountains. Tibetans were and still are incredibly religious, both aristocrat and serf alike. The poor were certainly not oppressed, this is a Buddhist country, and were in fact relatively happy, there were religious festivals almost weekly where rich and poor stood side by side in celebration. The vast majority of male children chose to become monks and were completely looked after by the state, living in Buddhist temples.
If Tibet was such a terrible place to live as some of you seem to think it was, why would a supremely peaceful nation be now turning to violence to rid themselves of this Chinese regime and go back to the way things were? - WikiEasy, on 04/25/2008, -2/+16Shooting unarmed people from afar? That sounds reasonable to you?
- RequiemHunter, on 04/25/2008, -4/+17You can be idealistic if you wish, but there are extremely few things you could do that actually matters. This is all just a temporary thing. The things in Tibet has been there for more than a few decades. It started way before the Vietnam War or Korean War. Taiwan also seeks independence from China, but you don't hear people that crazy about it. How about the conflicts in Sri Lanka? The Genocide in Darfur? People rarely hear about it cause it is not "of interest" to the media.
While the Olympic spirit has been seen more or less as a political tool to many people, did anyone stop and consider the voice of the athlete who compete IN the Olympic? I know some of these Olympians personally. They work HARD for years. They been training for at least 4 years for this upcoming game. How would you feel if you spend your blood and sweat for 4 years working to achieve a goal, but it all become meaningless for some stupid political reasons?
Boycott China? That will only further pisses off the Chinese Government, and it certainly won't help the Tibetan. The boycott will be seems as another stab at their pride. With the exception of the last century, the Chinese enjoy 4000 years of glory and pride. Now, after a century of humiliation, they are finally able to stand back up. Now, if this attempt ended up in failure due to boycott in the name of Tibet. Trust me, the Chinese government is going to blame everything on Tibetan, and from what we know about a communistic regime, the scapegoat never have a good ending.
Last of all, don't even suggest boycotting Chinese's product. If the Americans are already complaining about oil at $3 a gallon, wait till they see the price of stuff that is NOT Made In China. With the weakening of the dollar and the increase cost of living, such a move is simply impossible.
So, instead of worrying about Tibet. Maybe we should worry more about our economy and spend less money on trying to change other country. - txcine, on 04/25/2008, -2/+14Your implication is that somehow that video is "unreliable."
"Old" news or not, WTF gives the Chinese the right to shoot at hiking Tibetans like deer? - ksmcafee, on 04/25/2008, -4/+16this seriously makes me feel sick to my stomach, and the fact that im powerless to do anything only amplifies that feeling. sad.
- hurt911gen, on 04/25/2008, -3/+14Free Tibet. Free China.
- MadOgre, on 04/25/2008, -2/+13War. Obviously. Regime change. That's the only way to stop them. Unfortunately.
Free Tibet... LOL... HOW? Are you willing to pull the trigger and get it done? Or do you just like the T-Shirt? How far are you willing to go to Free Tibet? - brstilson, on 04/25/2008, -2/+13So Iraq is my fault, then?
- pandorazboxx, on 04/25/2008, -0/+11It's not as simple as free Tibet either. The Dalai Lama still wants to be part of china, but he wants real autonomous control of Tibet, not the mock government that China uses to control Tibet. Tibet won't be a free country, they just want to be left alone, so they can promote their spiritual growth.
- Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -0/+11What he said WAS from non-Chinese sources. For *****'s sakes, put our free media to good use and look at something other than BBC, CNN, and FOX. *****. This pisses me off. It wouldn't surprise me if you just don't care though. Other *****-for-brains like WikiEasy just ignored everything I explained to them and went on with their Anti-China *****. Bunch of brainwashed, yellow peril sheep.
- zobs, on 04/25/2008, -8/+19killing tens of thousands innocent iragis is so incredibly humane...
- urothane, on 04/25/2008, -3/+14Stop buying Chinese products, elect government officials that punish those who export jobs to China, donate to organizations like Amnesty International, Reporters Without Borders, Students for a Free Tibet. There are many things you can do, you are not helpless. While I will not be watching the Olympics this year or even listening to any news about it (unless it is a protest at the games), the games will not stop and China will make lots of money from it.
I fear that this small peaceful country at the top of the world will either kill our economy because China calls to collect on our debt, or cause WW3 because China gets pissed off with everyone telling them what to do. Where will we be when 25% of the world's population takes up arms because they all believe the Tibetans are violent? Where will be when the fastest growing economy in the world converts from being a consumer production economy to a war production one? Where will we be when the country known as the west's factory floor stops working for us and starts working against us. There is a lot more to fear than than most realize. - audioscience, on 04/25/2008, -7/+17This is old but still very pertinent. Digg.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -5/+14This is really sick.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -0/+9Good point, I meant 40 Billion. A little late though.
- sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -1/+9Hey *****, are we talking about Iraq right now? Where in the video was the Iraq invasion defended? Oh wait, thats right, it wasn't mentioned. So basically what your saying is that we can't find wrong in China's human rights abuses because the US is in Iraq? You sir are a ***** moron.
- corfe83, on 04/25/2008, -2/+10Digg this guy up. We can criticize both governments, and don't let anyone tell you differently.
- barius, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8Not sure how you're getting dugg down, but you are absolutely correct. China is not taking over Tibet by force, but by demographics. They have more than enough population to simply displace the natives and claim the land due to ethnic majority, and that is exactly what they are doing. It happened to the Native Americans, it happened in Kosovo and it's happening in Tibet.
- had3l, on 04/25/2008, -3/+10I read: "Chinese excuses Tibetans". For a second I was thinking "Well, good for them!"
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/25/2008, -7/+14take the Mao ***** out of your ears and mouth! are you serious? Why don't you read some reports of what happend in tibet from non-chinese media sources?
- nicholasaa, on 04/25/2008, -0/+7execute, not executes....OR....China, not Chinese
- sheebz, on 04/25/2008, -4/+11Your moral relativism is scary. That video showed tibetians getting arbitrarily executed, anyone who can defend that is a waste of a human being.
- MWeather, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8We should definitely not be killing babies. Fetuses and blastocysts are cool, though.
- masamunecyrus, on 04/25/2008, -3/+10The Tibet situation wouldn't be nearly as disturbing as it is if hundreds of millions of Chinese weren't reciting the SAME government propaganda -- "Tibet has always been and will always be part of China." Because there's a HUGE difference between not wanting Tibet to separate from China and reciting blatant propaganda.
- BeefBaron, on 04/26/2008, -7/+14*Americans execute Iraqis* - Noone cares.
*Americans execute own countrymen* - Noone cares.
*Rebels execute Dafurnese* - Noone cares.
*Many countries executing own citizenry* - Noone cares.
*Chinese try to settle unrest in land considered theirs by all modern standards* - OMGWTFBBQ LETS ALL PROTEST BY TAKING IT OUT ON AN INTERNATIONAL SPORTS EVENT.
Get a grip, people. - barius, on 04/25/2008, -2/+9While I understand your point, I have seen far too many Chinese citizens defending the violent actions of their government for various ***** reasons. Have you not seen the Pro-China activists trying to confront the Free-Tibet activists? I'm not saying that the Free-Tibet activists are necessarily doing the right thing by disrupting the Olympics, but you have to admit that the Pro-China activists are just there to try and shut them up and for no other reason.
- mille716, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7One and a half years is not exactly "old news". I don't think China has changed their treatment of Tibetans significantly since then. I've seen it before too but am grateful that more people are going to be exposed to footage of the violent actions of the Chinese goverment.
- inactive, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6The video attached, you retard. Do you know how Digg works or do you just come to comment on the headlines?
- osiris99, on 04/26/2008, -0/+6Because it may be old for ***** two years, we should forget about it? Are you insane? Thanks for the news source though, this one shows the attitude of Chinese government towards unarmed pilgrims! BOYCOTT CHINA!
- davin510, on 04/25/2008, -7/+13Tibet was a typical feudal state with clear a division between the land-owning rich and oppressed poor. The land was owned by two distinct groups: the rich secular landowners and a few rich theocratic lamas. The rulers kept power by through classic serfdom in which workers were bound to work the land with no pay and were heavily taxed for such social necessities as marriage, birth, death of family members, and kept in debt by being taxed for trivial acts such as planting a tree in one's yard, dancing in public, holding religious festivals, and even for being unemployed. Debts were passed on through generations meaning children born to serfs did not move up in social hierarchy.
Serfs who attempted to escape were hunted down by the much like black slaves in the south. Tibet maintained a small army who's main duty was to protect landowner's property and tract down runaway serfs. Once captured, serfs were often beaten and tortured (including maiming to prevent future escapes). Similar cruelties were laid upon serfs who openly protested against their impoverished ways of life. Pretty young girls were often used as sex slaves and young boys were taken from their families and placed in monasteries (where sexual abuse was common) for life. Serfs were uneducated and were not provided with medical treatments from their landlords.
Buddhism was used as a tool to oppress serfs. Those serfs who questioned the legitimacy of their masters rule were told that their current poor state was brought upon by their wicked ways of past lives. Reincarnation was crux in the ruling class's argument against equality within the populous.
With the occupation of the Chinese forces in 1959 came both oppression of rights for the ruling class and freedom from worse oppression from the serfs. With the occupation also came medicine and education for all which has nearly doubled life expectancy. However, the Chinese government also killed tens of thousands of Tibetans during the cultural revolution (which even in China is now seen as a gross violation of human rights). Today's Tibetan culture resembles nothing like those of days past, and only a small percent of the population still remember what life was like during old feudal rule.
Now that Tibet has been modernized by the Chinese central government, the Tibetan people are protesting against the loss of their heritage (which is a very legitimate fear) and are arguing for a free autonomous Tibet. However, if history is any indicator, traditional Tibetan rule will reintroduce many more human rights violations than are present in the current PRC regime. - Wrangler76, on 04/25/2008, -11/+17Hello, you're making the argument that near-slavery made them happy? Good god. Yes, theocracies work in horrible ways to control the people: through religion. Even buddhism is not free from corrupt leaders. Tibet was poor because they focused on the rich nobles who wanted to be even more rich, it's not because of god damn mountains. ANd define oppression. Most of the populations were serfs who were treated as property. They suffered horrible conditions and worked for free. Those who rebelled were tortured. Many children were taken away from their family for the nobles' own terrible uses. The serfs were taxed endlessly. Yes, there were reports of people rebelling and trying to get away, but a lot of people did nothing because of their religious teachings. Does that mean they were not oppressed? No, that means they did not know it. Who was behind this whole grand scheme that one would call evil these days? The Dalai Lama- the same one who lived in a massive palace. The same one who is trying to get "autonomy" back for his people.
A supremely peaceful nation? They had their own revolts and wars over the past centures - not even ones against Chinese communists. Just because they they are buddhist does not mean they are peaceful. I don't even know how you can claim that if you have taken one look at Tibet's history.
Also, why say that an entire nation is turning to violence? Less than 0.5% of the population turned out for the riots even though the police did nothing to stop them in the first few days for some reason (which angered the residents who had their shops burned). That's not what I would call turning themselves to violence to rid themselves of the Chinese regime. Most of the rioters were of the poor. Their complaints? Socioeconomic inquality and rumours of monks getting killed. They were not complaining about wanting autonomy or independence. Only a few even waved around Tibet flags or burned Chinese ones. THis was all reported by FOREIGN journalists. Yet, strangely enough, very few Western MSM reported this information, but chose to spew the words crackdown and independence over and over. Thus, I don't blame you for being horribly misinformed. - BN2L, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6Medieval hellish nightmare? See comment my above. Being a monk in Tibet was voluntary, any male child could become a monk. You need to do the research.
- pvnrt, on 04/25/2008, -5/+11because they're not as peaceful as you thought they were
- KoolHow, on 04/25/2008, -13/+19The Chinese are engaged in genocide in Tibet. They are systematically trying to destroy their culture and religion and overrun the population with imported Chinese nationals. When I was in Tibet, Chinese soldiers were everywhere. The first day in Lhasa we were approached by some (very brave) Tibetan students who told us directly that the Chinese lie, steal and cheat and are working very hard to silence the people of Tibet. And as we can see from the video, kill anyone who tries to leave the country and would be able to report firsthand on the violence.
http://www.Changing-History.com - Frost9999, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7Don't be an idiot - the Olympics are just a money magnet exploited by business. Sport doesn't stop for 4 years waiting for the Olympic games to roll around again.
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