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- siszam, on 10/12/2007, -8/+64There is no end to evil in this world.
- lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -19/+33God, I ***** hate China... I had some pity for their people until I heard about them beating 50,000 dogs to death with sticks cause some girl died of rabies.
- lordthor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44"I've had a look at Reuters, BBC and Sky News and it apparently isn't "newsworthy" enough to make their front pages... Why? This deserves attention. The governing regime of the world's most rapidly developing economy cannot be allowed to think they can behave like this and get away with it. If this was coalition forces shooting civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, the media would all over it...."
-CandySnatch - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -32/+5"beating 50,000 dogs to death"
They probably ate them as well. And when I say eat, I mean every friggen piece of them. You'll get dugg down by the resident PC goody twoshoes, but it won't mean that many many people don't agree with you.
So, who thinks the next olympics will go smoothly? :) - hammydude, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Damn new age barbarians
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35Keep that image in your head the next time you hear about another American business moving their operations to China.
The best vote you have comes from your wallet! - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20People hate China for the manner in which civil liberties, privacy, and free speech are disgregarded there...and yet on Digg if you express your disgust of China you are seen as a "racist".
I'm tired of the pro-PRC element on Digg. - gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28You still shouldn't hate China. Hating them is no more reasonable than hating Americans because you despise the war in Iraq. They do some bad stuff. So do we. It shouldn't be excused, it shouldn't be weighed against what we do or don't do (like, is our past or present evil behavior better than theirs) and it shouldn't apply to an entire country. If you want to be "right" or on the side of good you cannot ignore reason... especially when you are angry.
- nmap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12There is coverage on the bbc website at the moment (video feed as well).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6045566.stm - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@lordthor: How many dogs do we put to death every year? Furthermore, I would like the sources on that statement. Lastly, don't forget there was a time when Europeans and Americans were less humanitarian than they are now. Kill 50,000 dogs is still nothing when compared to killing 6 million Jews and 12 million Russians. Should we hate the Germans? How about the French and the English with their imperialism that left behind a ravage continent called Africa? What about little old Belgium and their king Leopold whose atrocities resulted in millions of deaths and IIRC inspired "Heart of Darkness"?
I'm not trying to make excuses for China's poor behavior but I wonder if hating is the right thing to do.
@hammydude: It's not new age barbarianism. It's old age barbarianism that has gone away. - ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8http://digg.com/world_news/Chinese_Troopers_Shooting_Fleeing_Tibetans_Video
579 Diggs... front paged last night - early this morning - This story is amazing and needs to be heard, but come on... - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@ LordThor:
Quote:
"I've had a look at Reuters, BBC and Sky News and it apparently isn't "newsworthy" enough to make their front pages... Why? This deserves attention. The governing regime of the world's most rapidly developing economy cannot be allowed to think they can behave like this and get away with it. If this was coalition forces shooting civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, the media would all over it...."
-CandySnatch
Sadly, we're a race of cowards. China holds a bunch of our debt, we like cheap stuff, and they have a huge army. War crimes and violations of human dignity are often only proscecuted when the violator is weak and defeated. We let countries like China get away with such things because we prefer our cheap iPods over Tibetans. Plus it's far away. We might all be expressing our outrage right now but which one of us is actually going to take a step towards fighting it? Of those people who express their outrage, I bet less than 1% of them would do anything other than commenting about it on digg.com. - arunsjunk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5There is an evermore reason for the US to support India, where the Dalai Lama and many Tibetans currently reside. The US cannot do anything else, otherwise it risks antagonizing a belligerent and ruthless Chinese government. Only through economic progress of nearby democratic countries can China be free of its oppressors.
Imagine if US did become hostile to China. Then China would probably align itself with the Islamic world (it already has with Pakistan) providing nuclear, advanced weaponry and radar support. This would be a terrorist nightmare across the entire South Asia region. As a result, the US needs to maintain the status quo with China, and aggressively support neighboring democratic countries like India.
Financially, however, I think US can do without China, even though the price of goods would probably increase. The major impediment here is that it will never happen because corporations are in too deep in China and the profits being enjoyed currently will diminish. So, again, the next best policy is to support neighboring democratic countries.
China is not a pushover country. The Chinese government is shrewd, but their undoing will be their consistent overt barbarism. - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Half of you guys are stupid. We don't hate the Chinese, we hate the Chinese government (and as a result, China). They deserve to be hated. They do horrible things. If you think our government does horrible things, you can hate them to. You don't hate all Americans, just the American government.
- VipeNess, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4im sick. they look like they doing as a sport.
/spit those soliders - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Free Tibet
- cwcheang, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1yea true... i mis-underestimated china. ;-)
- LoneRanger85, on 10/12/2007, -111/+9Why are you speechless? Chicoms will be Chicoms.
- mousy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+57He's speechless because he actually has a heart.
- skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36I think what he means is that this shouldn't surprise people... this sort of thing happens a lot in China. Sad though it is.
- LoneRanger85, on 10/12/2007, -85/+11Why are you speechless? Communists will be Communists.
- l0th, on 10/12/2007, -11/+46I wish you were speechless too.
- zylvester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22For insight on how the Orwellian CCP official news agency's work and what the brainwashed Chinese masses get feed on a daily bases.
"Tibetans shot 'in self-defence'
China has confirmed that its troops opened fire on a group of Tibetans trying to cross into Nepal, leaving one of them dead.
The official Xinhua news agency quoted an official as saying the border guards fired in self-defence." - CandySnatch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+69Please digg this up. I've had a look at Reuters, BBC and Sky News and it apparently isn't "newsworthy" enough to make their front pages... Why? This deserves attention. The governing regime of the world's most rapidly developing economy cannot be allowed to think they can behave like this and get away with it. If this was coalition forces shooting civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, the media would all over it....
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24That's exactly what bothers me, why is this not newsworthy enough to be shown? I'm sure not all the people know what ***** goes around over there... Let me see maybe it's because of US deal with China regarding North Korea. Because of that imbecile dictator in North Korea, so called civilized countries are selling out their principles to make deals with China... what a shame.
- InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18The deal with China is twofold: First, the US is addicted to cheap Chinese crap flooding our markets (*cough* Wal*Mart *cough*). Secondly, because the US is running record federal deficits year after year now, we are now dependent on China to loan us money to keep us from going bankrupt. China is our biggest creditor.
BTW: To those who would suggest that massive federal deficits don't matter, think again. China now has the US by the economic balls. - DDoSAttack, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Why??? It was already dugg up by over 500 people over a day ago...
http://digg.com/world_news/Chinese_Troopers_Shooting_Fleeing_Tibetans_Video
The link for this stroy is even in comments. - Soniti, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12They may have us by the balls, but we have them by the throat.
If we don't buy their *****, they die too.
~Soniti - Kozy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It actually IS on the BBC front page under video and audio news, not particularly prominent but it is there in both international and UK versions. I watched the video before seeing it on Digg by noticing it on the BBC page.
- bashar129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"They may have us by the balls, but we have them by the throat.
If we don't buy their *****, they die too."
Have fun trying to stop a majority of the US populace from shopping at Wal-Mart. - nmap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4you didn't look very hard on the bbc, here's a link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6045566.stm - ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Taipei Times journalist:
"As long as the world is content to make money in China and ignore its human rights violations and the commission of genocide, China will thumb its nose at the UN. But appeasement is dangerous. The power of knowing they can simply destroy a people while the world checks its wallet will only encourage the Chinese Communists to pursue other plans of aggression. Who will speak out against this genocide?"
The day before Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, demanding the mass extermination of the Jewish inhabitants there, he explained away his actions to his officers by saying with a laugh, "Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?"
Apparently, we still do. One week ago a Tibetan nun was shot in her back as the world watched. No more excuses, China. There's only one thing that will justify the blood on Nangpa La: Give Tibet back to its people. - MOGua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@Soniti
Even if we stop buying their *****, the rest of the world isn't going to stop.
Besides, you won't be able to stop buying their ***** anyway; You think corporate America will let that happen? What's going to happen to most big American businesses if all imports from China were halted?
Maybe you can be the first on digg to boycott Chinese products by throwing your computer out the window since that's made in China, too. See you on digg again when you find that "Made in America" PC. - Muncher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@MOGua
I believe most computer hardware is made in Taiwan. I may be mistaken, however. - Soniti, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Did I say anything Anti-Chinese?
Don't put ***** words in my mouth. The US and China rely on each other- and it's a formula neither country will allow to dissapate.
I never said I wouldn't buy chinese stuff, so shove it up your ass.
***** you overbearing Digg commenters.
~Soniti
- SoupsMan, on 10/12/2007, -22/+7This is why Church should ALWAYS be seperate from state. If you want to kill some one that isnt your religion, do it on your own evil puke time. Its times like these where i wonder if there is a point in having a religion since none of the religons god/gods/dieties seem to care or intervien to save their worshipers.
But i guess might = right to alot of people. This should be front page everywhere.- Ark7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18WTF are you talking about? This is separation of church and state taken to the extreme, not a state religion being enforced. China, being a Communist country, is completely atheist. Religions aren't allowed. Do a simple google search on the number of political prisoners arrested in China for selling Bibles or executed for running a church.
- InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Seperation of church and state is indeed being violated in China, even though they are supposedly atheist. By adopting an official state religious policy of atheism, China's govt has taken a religious stance.
Seperation of church and state means that govt neither promotes nor denies the right to exercise one's religion or the right to have no religion at all. It remains neutral either way on the subject. That is definitely not the case in China which continues to persecute its citizens for their religious practices. - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4communisms isn't a religion
the communist's only say you think what we want you to think if your a Christian or Muslim or what ever you die - ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3wtf are you talking about "separation of church and state." China's a Communist country. There are a lot of underground churches, however, for various religions.
High school history. Communism does not work with religion. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Atheism isn't a religion.
- fivestarsoul, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Atheism isn't a religion? What is it a belief in? A belief that there is no god/gods? Since neither one can prove/disprove that god neither exists or doesn't, the way I see it, you're on the same track as religious people, on the other side.
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5"WTF are you talking about? This is separation of church and state taken to the extreme, not a state religion being enforced. China, being a Communist country, is completely atheist. Religions aren't allowed."
@ark7 WTF are YOU talking about? There are christian churches and buddhist temples all over China. Hell, you can't go more that a few blocks without running into a church in some cities over there. The government is officially athiest but millions of Chinese go to church or temple and they don't have to hide it in any way, shape or form. The people can be religious if they want and many of them are.
"...arrested in China for selling Bibles or executed for running a church." You'll just flat make stuff up to get your point across, won't you? You want a bible? Go to ANY christian church in China and get one. I did a photo essay on a church in the town of Hangzhou that holds weekly bible studies. The minister's sermons are delivered over speakers into the street outside the church, there is a big ass cross up on the steeple for all to see and they get several hundred people at each service. No secrets, no sneaking around.... seriously, where do you GET this crap your stating? Go to China, wear a shirt that says "Jesus is Lord", in Chinese, and no one is going to give you more than a passing glance. Hate to break it to you but the China of today is, in many ways, light years ahead of where it was. - Mark_H, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."
--Thomas Jefferson
There's the definition of separation of church and state from the guy who coined the phrase. Notice the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part. Executing people for running churches is the opposite of church and state, and definitely isn't "separation of church and state taken to the extreme." - ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ qaoshan:
yes, it is true that there are "christian" churches in China. however, they are EXTREMELY censored by the Chinese government. They are limited in what they can preach.
which is why there are underground churches. - synarchy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?"
--Thomas Jefferson (same one as above), from Notes on the State of Virginia.
It's the notion of God as the source of rights that get the panties in a twist for communists. If the party is the source of rights, and people are subject to the party, the party is God. That's the way the party wants to keep it. When fifty people wear those t-shirts mentioned above at the same time, whatch out!
- MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14This is *****. I know many Tibetan immigrants and they are the most peaceful people you could ever meet. The horrors they described has left a mark on my life, and this video is just one instance of Chinese communist brutality against Tibet.
- tehdvd, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5yeah and you swear the United states doesnt do any better.
- MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -27/+17655,000 Iraqi civilians dead because of US, tehdvd. Do you understand that? WE killed more people than Sadaam ever did. We're no better.
- Braxo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22Did we kill at 655,000? Or did suicide bombers?
- Ark7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The report that says 600,000+ Iraqis have died isn't based on any casualty counts: they just interviewed people and then estimated how many people might have died in relation to any pattern or circumstances those people had reported. It's complete ***** and was laughed at by every single independent organization that's been tallying casualties since the war began.
- AnonymousFan9, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6yeah thank God there's no one in America who would shoot someone for trying to immigrate, if there was it would probably look like this: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/
edit: or this: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jan2006/bord-j07.shtml - GusTurbo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You're a moron. I defy you to find a source that shows that the Minuteman Project has shot anyone.
- kylebrothert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Thank you AnonymousFan9 for being the voice of reason and not making exaggerated claims. It's your calm and accurate depiction of events that I lean on for real truth. You inspire me to be a more tolerant and understanding person. Your avoidance of hyperbolic statements is a beacon in these troubled times.
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1even if a minuteman had shot someone, he would've shot someone for illegal immigration (an actual problem). These soldiers shot people that were going to see their spiritual leader.
- jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Sometimes people will be shot.
Pilgrims, illegal immigrants, If the policy is zero tolerance and no entry without proper authorization, you can expect to get what you are promised.
I don't agree with it, but I'm not a native born Chinese.
In the U.S., I have seen where young men have been shot at gas stations trying to run out with a six pack of beer as a prank. Usually all the do-gooders wail about the tragedy of a young man being killed for "wahooing" beer from a store, but I have done it in my youth, and I knew I could have been shot.
Point is, the Tibetan pilgrims, like teenagers wahooing beer, must take some responsibility for their own life.
Once I got to get close to Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. The guards are instructed to guard the perimeter and almost nothing supersedes that order. If you get too close, you will receive only one warning, weather the aircraft is occupied or not. After the one warning or if the guards deem necessary, they are authorized to use deadly force. It is entirely possible for any American citizen to loose their life by disregarding this policy.
No one stopped to help the pilgrims who were shot, because they all knew the risk before they made the trip.
- Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -47/+2DUPE u ***** idiot
- crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Starting today I am going to ban every one of you dupe calling trolls. I'm done modding you down.
- flyingcow, on 10/12/2007, -33/+5Tens of thousands of Iraqi dead, and now you guys are hating on China?
Oh wait, Iraqi's are terrorists and Tibetans are spirtual peacemakers -_-- captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Earth to retard, there is a war going on.
- Braxo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4at least Tibetans aren't killing other Tibetans. You're and idiot.
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16captaineuphoria, how is "there's a war on" an excuse?
We started the war, we invaded Iraq, and we were responsible for the well-being of the Iraqis once we commited to "liberating" them.
Whether you go with the 30-40,000 estimate from the White House, or the approx. 600,000 estimate from independent sources, the fact remains that the majority are civilian deaths, not soldiers in combat situations.
I'm not talking politics here, I'm talking civilian lives. Anyone who tries to let the Chinese off the hook because we're killing Iraqis, or who wants to let us off the hook because "it's a war" is wrong. There's no good way to kill civilians, period.
- captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13Earth to retard, there is a war going on.
- Ark7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Welcom, comrades, to our Communist paradise. Wait, over 100 million dead since inception? What are you talking about?
- bs0l, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I just can't digg this.
- dono169, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Why? Is the murder of innocents for their religious belief not newsworthy?
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Dont digg something because you like it....
Sigg something to get others to see it too..... - bs0l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I choose not to digg it because digg was once a place where it wasn't filled with bad world news, just interesting tech info. I think newspapers, tvs, and radios have enough bad news.
kthnx
- Mokey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9That's some ***** up ***** right there.
- HellSpawn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1ProTV? uite ma ca si romanii mai prind cate un subiect d-asta :D
- richiestang78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Shocking but really not surprising, thats the world, we really suck as a species dont we. And stop with the US Iraqi death stuff its not the same. You can go back to the first modern wars and innocent people die thats war. Peopel think jsut cause there are laser guided bombs, and gps that war somehow is this thing where only tanks and bunkers get blown up on a little tv screen.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if we would have displayed the deaths in ww2 at that time we would have gotten out of it in weeks and Hitler would have won because people would say we weren't being successful.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if we would have displayed the deaths in ww2 at that time we would have gotten out of it in weeks and Hitler would have won because people would say we weren't being successful.
- 4answer2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'm going to be a typical American, er, a typical consumer anywhere on the planet, and go down to WalMart and buy some worthless junk that was Made in China.
That'll teach 'em!
(Note, the above comment is sarcasm. Basically we (America that is) buys more stuff from China that we sell to China. Then we borrow money from the Chinese to help us buy their stuff. It basically makes no sense to me.) - inhumancheese, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The Tibetans probably keep walking because they are Buddhist and think that they will just reincarnate again. Its not a huge deal to them sadly.
- paulbobrookins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Why is that sad? Because of their beliefs, they avoid grief and have hope for the people killed that they may have a better life. We should be so lucky.
- AnonymousFan9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm no expert on Buddhism, but maybe they're walking because they are almost over a hill and they don't want to be shot?
Either way, their calmness is admirable in such an unfair situation. - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1even if you believe in reincarnation, you are still upset by death. The only reason they don't stop at take care of the dead and grieve over them is because they're afraid they will be shot.
- uttles, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10***** Communism
- chaimpot0k, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13***** China, Free Tibet
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6And while you're at it Free Hawaii and the Native Americans!
- chokeyou, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Another in a long series of Chinese government human rights violations. Not surprising, but disgusting.
- layfield02, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9this is unacceptable!
- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9But I thought Communism was so much better than Democracy? At least that's what the Social Progressives keep trying to convince everyone.
- actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5The problem with either lies in who is running it.
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2except that communism not only fails in practice, but in theory too. It eliminates competition and results in a collapse of innovation and progress. If everyone gets what they need, there's no reason to work hard because you won't be rewarded.
but real communism has never existed and probably never will.
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The Free Tibet group has a lot more information on attrocities FAR worse than this; things you wish you'd never heard about.
http://www.freetibet.org/ - Woofcat, on 10/12/2007, -21/+2Ok, stop saying this is so evil. China is a diffrent place. Human life has a diffrent value than over here. Only in Europe and North America is human life held with such value.
In Iraq killing is an everyday thing, same with many other countries.- Jun168, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You wouldn't be saying that if it was your family that was shot and killed. You're a ***** disgrace to the human race.
- woody56292, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3so you think asians don't regard life the same as we do? That is a very racist and ignorant comment. They have just adapted to these horrible conditions because they have never known any other way. They still care about their lives, and the lives of their friends and family. They just accept the fact that life is hard for them and they may not live to see tomorrow.
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2that is the most pathetic statement i've ever heard. You think people over there dont value their own lives? You think they dont value the lives of others? Those who kill innocent for the sake of killing deserve a fate worse than death; unfortunately our primitive means of torture can only go so far...
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If you think a Chinese mother is even 1% less devastated by the loss of her child than an American women then you are sadly ignorant. Classic "they" are all worse than "us".
- jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think what he is trying to say is their culture IS different.
I cant even begin to imagine what my feelings would be like if my parents had grown up in China in the 1950's
A poor, over populated, starving china. A Government that told its poor to go to the mountains and eat grass because there was no food.
A place where some families at their dead children to survive famine.
Yeah, China doesn't fit our view of human rights, but we haven't seen a billion starving people in the western world yet, that has to harden your culture for decades.
I remember when our military aircraft landed on Chinese soil several years ago and Bush was trying to say we did nothing wrong. Well, its not possible to land on a Chinese airfield without permission, unless you invade Chinese airspace.
I watched the Chinese news on the World news channel and when the Chinese reporters asked Chinese citizens on the street what to do with the American crew, every one of them said, "kill them" without any hesitation or remorse.
Perhaps the media filtered out all the compassionate Chinese from the interview, but to presume the average Chinese citizen has the same cultural values as an American citizen is ridiculous.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's so par for the course for the Chinese media to misrepresent it as was described at the end of the video. That's disgusting. Now honestly, do the general Chinese public fall for this kind of crap? Is lying an integral part of society?? I believe the western world isn't so perfect, I would just like some honest insight into this.
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Chinese population don't fall for this crap but they're apathetic, just like many people around the world. You think this *****'s ***** up? How about Darfur? We KNOW people are being massacred, raped, and starving to death. How many Americans do you think are rising up to do something about this? You know what goes around in our Congress? Video game legislations and more pork.
People are inherently self-centered. Darfur and Tibet are far away places. While bother when you have it so good at home? - ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The Chinese population (as well as many people in 3rd world countries) are so used to death that they have unfortunately become numb and apathetic to it, especially if it's not happening in their immediate surroundings. Hell, they regularly killed their own daughters due to their one-child law. How can you NOT become used to death with those kinds of things happening?
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Chinese population don't fall for this crap but they're apathetic, just like many people around the world. You think this *****'s ***** up? How about Darfur? We KNOW people are being massacred, raped, and starving to death. How many Americans do you think are rising up to do something about this? You know what goes around in our Congress? Video game legislations and more pork.
- Xinareiaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This is crazy! the guy the tibetan's were going to see came to my town like 2 months ago...I went and heard him talk. he mostly just advocated peace n stuff.
- AhronZombi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1im speachless
- dono169, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2This needs to be dugg up so the traditional media gets wind of it.
- gareth805, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8But hey keep buying those iPods that are built in China...
- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yup. I'm sure Bono is really proud of his red iPod seeing as it's funding the same government that does this. Yup. Real proud.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1761062858590826090&q=Tiananmen+Square
China sucks.... Nuff said - thefutureisours, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1they're headed right for us!!!!
- PRMapleBar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I just don't get it. Why isn't there any respect for life anymore? You don't have to like what they're doing but at least have the decency to understand why. I just thought not killing was a universal truth. These Tibetans want to better their own life and yet someone else thinks they have the right to just take that away.I'll respect those Tibetans just for trudging through all that snow high up in those mountains let alone why they are trudging.
- mhl12, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2how do the actions of 3 chinese soldiers represent the action of the whole country?
seriously now.. even if the footage was real, (that video could easily have been staged.. now real chinese faces were shown. All the cameras were far away...) are all chinese people like that? no.
this is just another pointless propaganda antichinese/communist video.- TekeeTakShak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Very true. My friend just came back from China and he told me some crazy stories. Apparently he went to the market to buy some chicken for dinner with his group. Well...as they arrive, they see people taking live chickens, tying them to the ends of shopping carts, and violently shaking the carts until the chicken literally had the ***** beat out of it.
Is that even necessary? Just chop off the head and get it over with...torture isn't exactly humane.
Very, very insane. - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4There's a dish my Chinese friends were telling me about where you just simply drop the live chicken into boiling water and cover the top of the pot with a screen so the chicken can't get out of the water and it boils to death. Apparently it produces very tender chicken meat. Personally, I lost my appetite...
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"...now real chinese faces were shown. All the cameras were far away" Sadly, there are photos of the Chinese soldiers in the climber's camp (with some Tibetan children they caught, in tow). I would say this is unfortunately quite real. Look here to see a photo: http://www.explorersweb.com/sitemedia/images/everest/20061011xnangpala2.jpg
"Just chop off the head..." They shake them to death because the amount of blood from cutting off the chicken's head can make things messy. They aren't torturing them, jeez.
"...it boils to death" Kind of like crabs and lobsters, eh? - jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh for the love of God! Those poor chickens!
I guess you never met anyone in the country with chickens...
Wringing a chickens neck probably isn't fun for the chicken either! Or, you could just tour a factory farm!
- TekeeTakShak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Very true. My friend just came back from China and he told me some crazy stories. Apparently he went to the market to buy some chicken for dinner with his group. Well...as they arrive, they see people taking live chickens, tying them to the ends of shopping carts, and violently shaking the carts until the chicken literally had the ***** beat out of it.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Is this some extreme border control at work? That’s pretty harsh, but I am pretty sure that a certain kind of American along our southern border wouldn’t have a problem with this. Shame the Chinese government isn’t willing to find a way to allow the Dali Lama to come and visit.
I bet this is a scare tactic to try and get them to renounce; how’s that for terrorism. Otherwise the border guards might have killed them all, but then there wouldn’t be anyone to go back and tell the tale.- jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A certain type of American?
You jerk! Just say white, middle-class, southern, American...
And yeah, just think... if immigunts of any race were INVADING Mexico illegally by thousands a day, the whole Mexican army would be there with machine guns and bulldozers!
The bulldozers wouldn't be for making barricades, they would be for covering the bodies!
- jiggleflop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A certain type of American?
- flubba, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1communism ftw
- Fatest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3A lot of what China does is unnecessary. For example, the North Korean refugees fleeing to China are being repatriated back to North Korea. Now does that seem fair? Surely, they can get the UNHCR to intervene? They're too pompous to acknowledge what happens in the labor camps, but that doesn't stop them. The border shooting in Tibet shows just one of many abuses in China. Media outages, slight indifference to flood victims - where is China going to be in thirty years?
- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Some day the Chinese will be shooting us as we attempt to flee to Brazil from the People's Republic of North America. That's after the ***** Republicans spend us into economic destitution through wars we can't afford, and the Democrats finish us off with social welfare programs.
- Fatest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5And Cuba will be our Taiwan, right? :]
- Poopoopants, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1The Chinese soldiers are just doing this because they are lazy and get to fire their weapons. All of this wouldn't happen if they just asked the pilgrims first and actually did their job, many lives would be spared. There is too many things wrong with this. I guess it will never stop.
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Knowing a bit about how things work in China, I would bet the Chinese attempted to warn the Tibetans off from trying to cross the border illegally (somewhere earlier in the Tibetans trek) prior to opening fire and that is why they were right there at the border when they were crossing. Doesn't excuse the shooting in ANY way at all. The fault is 100% with the Chinese in this case, it's just that the Chinese view of violating government authority is pretty severe.
- Azur2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8China is a repressive and thoroughly corrupt communist dictatorship. It's got about half a million dissidents in forced labor camps, and has a long history of violent repression of domestic opposition.
Is it somehow surprising that they shoot dissidents trying to flee the country? - rwprice, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4as a purchasing agent, I buy over 5 million dollars per year from China. Tomorrow I will be looking into changing my purchases to India.
- wankey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11LOL. Just because you saw a youtube video, you're willing to change suppliers in millions of dollars?
Do you know what India does to the Kashmir Region in Pakistan? What a joke.
Hold on, let me find you a video of people dying in Kashmir so you can change supplier to Malaysia. Oh wait! I'll find another video on how ***** the labour force in Malaysia.
What are you going to do now? Change suppliers on a daily basis?
Pathetic on how a small video can change people, yet the big problem nobody sees. - cmilki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1wankey, What does India do in Kashmir ? It legally belongs to us (India). Yes do show me a Video depicting "horrors" (India soldiers saving innocent lives) in Kashmir. The "horrors" we commit as directed towards terrorists. The same terrorists your nation has been fighting with.
- wankey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11LOL. Just because you saw a youtube video, you're willing to change suppliers in millions of dollars?
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You attack Iraq. Reason? Crazy Dictator.
You Impose sanctions on Cuba. Reason? Cazy Dictator
You invade Afghanistan. Reason? Crazy Government.
China? You trade with it. Difference? None. Hypocracy? 100%- robotexplorer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5we'd rather stay away from attacking a insane military power like china, until we are ready to declare the end of the world.
100% hypocracy
100% still in existance - Jlaugh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The US government doesn't seem to have problems installing dictators throughout the world, they just get invade the ones that are no longer playing ball.
- robotexplorer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5we'd rather stay away from attacking a insane military power like china, until we are ready to declare the end of the world.
- daddiogig, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4SO when you see something like this are you not moved by compassion to the point that you would send US troops in to try and stop it? This is the basic reason for all of the wars we got involved in in recent years. We are a compassionate people and if it takes an act like a war to stop it, then that's what it takes. So why have you allowed the spin to cause you to hate the war in Iraq? Why has the spin made you hate our president? Why has the spin made you hate our government? You just aren't compassionate about everyone, just the ones that are "popular, like Free Tibet. How can you choose the targets of compassion? Are the people of Iraq not as cool as the Tibetans? Were the Vietnamese not as cool? You decide.
- mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Compassion = send troops in? How can that equation even possibly exist. Do you understand what compassion is? COmpassion is the story of a monk who was imprisoned in Tibet and feared not for his life but feared that he may lose his compassion toward his Chinese captors. Tibet cannot be solved with fighting, the Dalai Lama has made that clear enough. Tibet may some day be free but sending troops in is what started this mess and it will be the retraction of troops that will be the solution. War is not a choice of compassion it is a choice of despiration.
The situation of Tibet is different then the situation in Iraq and the situtation in Vietnam.
- mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Compassion = send troops in? How can that equation even possibly exist. Do you understand what compassion is? COmpassion is the story of a monk who was imprisoned in Tibet and feared not for his life but feared that he may lose his compassion toward his Chinese captors. Tibet cannot be solved with fighting, the Dalai Lama has made that clear enough. Tibet may some day be free but sending troops in is what started this mess and it will be the retraction of troops that will be the solution. War is not a choice of compassion it is a choice of despiration.
- franksmith, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Hosting Olympics... WTO... running the Panama canal... dumping goods (often at a loss) on every country... selling weapons to countries with serious problems...
The list is long and it all comes down to that we are afraid of the sleeping... err... better make that "napping" giant. They are on their way to being the next super power and they still have one of the the most bass-akwards government on the earth. If the poo ever hits the fan with China... it will set a new record for UGLY!
We need to stop worrying about secret prisons and other small BS like that and ask our government to stand up to that scumbag in China and quit giving them deals so they will not throw a tantrum. Let them throw a tantrum... sooner or later the whole (civilized) world will have to deal with them... the sooner the better. - queefer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@lordthor grow some ***** balls. You need a life.
- kdekid, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1At the first glance, I was astonished by the cruel shoot of which the soldiers even did not show any respects and awe to life in this cruel freezing scene. However, I was too hasty to draw a conclusion from the TV program. The cause of shoot was ambiguously stated as going to see Dali Lama, but I really doubted that whether the pilgrims had been crossing the border between India and China. Moreover, the show was obscured by its size and I could not recognize a badge from the shooters. I must say that my conclusion is far from comprehensive.
- DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4...the mainstream media is silent...evidently shooting defenseless civilians dead in the snow is A-OK, but standing naked terrorists up on a stool for hours on end is pure evil that cannot be tolerated
- dbeachle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1More Great Han chauvinism.
This is a case when it would have been a righteous act to shoot back. - bishsd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Ladies and Gentleman. I give you your 2008 Olympic Host Nation.
Brought to you by Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Budweiser, Ford... - Limin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0For all people who thought this was shocking, please let me remind you all that there are more disgusting events in the world we know. Our president George W Bush sends out thousands of innocent children to got Iraq. Don't you all believe that is immortal and very wrong? As far as the video, I have something to say for all my fellow Chinese government, "Please stop doing these little things to tick to world off." However, to my western friends who find these video shocking, please don't. As a Chinese myself, I believe we are not the evil terrorist like Usama Bin Ladein or Sadam Hussian. If American can one day stop picking on other country who does not agree, we can try to live in harmony.
L- mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is harmony when a country has free reing to harm its people without having to answer for its crimes? Iam not saying it is the job of the US, but Harmony is not identifying the actions of tyranny.
- heldlik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What the f@£$k are you talking about? Little things??? more than 3million Tibetans have been killed through the years, let alone the 5000 Falungong practitioners that have been killed over the last five years. This is just the start of the list of Chinese atrocities... Please wake up will ya!
- RajS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who ever you are, thank you for posting this story.
- jdog2050, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So, this is where the Olympics--the celebration of mankind and the triumph of the human spirit--is being held. This just makes me ***** sad.
- mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And the Olympics has been held both in Communist Russia and Nazi Germany, it is terrrible, but this can almost be considered an upgrade.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2An upgrade how? The Chinese government has killed more civilians than these two nations combined. The estimate is over 60 million people. The life expectancy of Chinese lags behind its more developed neighbors by more than 6.5 years. They're having a religious crackdown that makes Nazi Germany look like a game of tag. Have you ever heard of the Chinese concentration camps? Its not an upgrade at all.
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