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- WikiEasy, on 04/18/2008, -3/+18Most Chinese are very nationalistic and disapprove of the protests. Nationalistic not by nature, mind you, but because of non-stop propaganda by the government.
Many have actually called for a boycott of all French brands, including one of the biggest supermarket chains in China, Carrefour, on 5/1. You also see a lot of them put up "(L) China" in their MSN names in support of their government.
The ironic thing is, nobody in China, and I mean NOBODY, is even trying to understand why the Tibetans are unhappy, or what they can do to understand the problem, start a dialogue, etc. - Marijuana, on 04/18/2008, -2/+13Not to increase anti-Chinese sentiment but the Chinese aren't stupid. They are collectively tired of being the worlds sweatshop, it's only a matter of time before the tables turn. Whether we like it or not.
- lohphat, on 04/18/2008, -1/+10Can we at least be rational here?
Before 1950 when China rolled their tanks, Tibet was not a hotbed of democracy. It was a feudal theocracy with an entrenched caste system. The monks lived in relative luxury while the peasants worked a harsh landscape to feed and provide for the monks.
Just saying...it was what it was. Chine did install enough infrastructure to bring it into the 20th century. I'm not makeing excuses, just relaying neutral facts. - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7http://news.my.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-do ...
Different website but exactly the same story. - jsaya, on 04/18/2008, -2/+8The page you have requested does not exist, or no longer exists, on our server.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -3/+9We can't save China until they have oil.
At least, that's the pattern so far. - iNaya, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6From my experience most overseas Chinese tend to still read Chinese news on the Internet a lot more than they read local Chinese newspapers or local English/French newspapers.
For a start, when you switch from reading Chinese news to reading Western news, it suddenly becomes really negative and depressing. It is very common for American/British/French newspapers to say negative things about the country, it's leaders, its foreign policy etc. In my years of reading Chinese newspapers, I have never ever seen something negative about the government, Chinese history, foreign policy etc.
I'd say that between 10-20% of overseas Chinese do start to criticise aspects of their own country up after a few years in a Western country, but the vast majority don't. I'd say that only about 50% even bother to make real western friends. Well, 'bother' is the wrong word, a lot don't because they are too scared to make friends, which is why they stick in their Chinese groups. And by the way, a lot of Westerners do exactly the same thing in China. And there is also a sizeable proportion of Westerners who change into the common Chinese mindset.
Woohoo, statistics whipped out of my a** but they are based on observations.
So anyway, while you're (this is to the general Digg population) sitting in your nice Western countries enjoying your freedom of speech (and abusing it), why not make friends with some local Chinese (and other foreigners). Not only will you expose them to completely different viewpoints but you'll enhance their view of your country, and make them happier at the same time. - inactive, on 04/18/2008, -13/+18Make no mistake, China and the CCP are our enemies. They hate freedom of speech, freedom of information, freedom of choice and see human life as property of the state.
Protest, but not over some silly sentimental ideal to give back Tibet to those tyrannical monks (it is a fact they had slaves and let the people starve while they prayed in their palaces) but rather to ***** with China.
I'd wish our governments would come together and boycott the Chinese. - rexona, on 04/18/2008, -5/+9No open tibet = no come to play games. Although it's probably to late. All the alleged genocidal activities will have been done by then... sad days indeed...
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -2/+6Genocidal? Dude, come the ***** on...
- startoss, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5Wrong pic man...
That cop at the back doesn't look Chinese to me... - kendrew, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5That army guy in that picture doesn't look chinese...
- notouch, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3"if everyone did boycott them they would probably become closer to their government, thus making matters worse."
It's very true. A lot of Chinese grew anti-american because of how a lot of ignorant americans butt into this whole issue with biased opinions.
I was talking to someone about all the issues China had, she said something very true: if you want someone to follow a different path, you help them out and show you want to support them in the right cause, not constant brutal bashing. - benighted, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5"nobody in China, and I mean NOBODY, is even trying to understand why the Tibetans are unhappy,"
How could you be so sure - masterm1nd, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Or maybe it has something to do with the largest army on the planet.
- Wrangler76, on 04/18/2008, -5/+8Actually WikiEasy, if you've read up on their complaints, they complained that the Western media misreported the entire situation for weeks on end, calling it a crackdown even when the police had not done much at the time. Then, they saw videos/pictures/reports from a few western journalists about how the Tibetans stoned children, burned shops with women inside, attacked a bus full of people, etc. Tell me you would not respond in the same way if this happened in your own country.
A few Western journalists in Tibet at the time interviewed the residents at that time and they said they were unhappy because of social discrimination, unequal income/education vs. non tibetans, and fear of becoming a minority in their own city (despite statistics showing otherwise). That combined with the spark of the rumours spread around that monks were arrested/killed, and you get a riot. It was mostly the poor and the youth rioting and there were no signs of organized activity. Did you know those were the reasons they were rioting? I'm willing to bet that you didn't. Hell, the stupid ***** MSM has implied all along that they were rioting for independence, and the exile government has also tried to twist the event into their favour. Only a few outlets like the NYtimes, economist, some german papers, and one CNN interview even talked about this. Most other articles keep repeating the words crackdown over and over. I have done my research on this topic, looking at only unbiased sources- not MSM *****, and that's what I've found. But the very people protesting in france and america probably have NO clue about why the Tibetans were really rioting.
FYI, a lot of CHinese were NOT nationalistic UNTIL these things happened. Yes, the CHinese government used their state-controlled media to make the Tibetans seem as bad as possible, but really... who provided them with all the footage of random looting, burning, and beating of innocent people? Couple that with Chinese releasing proof of our MSM doing highly misleading reporting on Youtube and you get a good dose of nationalism. - CountSessine, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but believe me - the Olympics, when it comes down to it, is just a bunch of jocks, a bunch of TV cameras, and a bunch of tourists. There is no possible configuration, combination, or process involving those three things that will substantially change China's policy on Tibet.
- orangedude, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5Their view is that the Dalai Lama or the Lama clique is instigating the anti-Chinese sentiment. Considering that the CIA has been funding operations in Tibet for the past few decades in order to put a thorn in China's side (personally confirmed by former CIA directors), who can really blame them?
- digf, on 04/18/2008, -1/+4In 1951, Dalai Lama said, "Tibet is part of China."
- 15charmaxwtf, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5How do you mean boycott them? Boycott the whole population just because of some ***** ups in the government? I admit I don't know much about Tibet but whenever I read any comments on the internet they never seem to teach me much---I wouldn't be surprised if it's just because it is the "cool" thing to protest about these days.
Well, at least more people will be aware there is a serious issue over there now. But if everyone did boycott them they would probably become closer to their government, thus making matters worse. - diggymow, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Thanks
- aussiebuddha, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3yeah you're completely right. but because china invested money in infrastructure, it still does not make it theirs. tibetabs should be free to choose who they want to be their leader.
- demonhunter7, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2that reminded me to what Tommy Lee Jones said in MIB:
"A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - 3tcp, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Check out the Chinese newspapers. As accurate as they are for some stories, ones about China dodge the most important (and obvious) questions by redirecting the attention towards something that demonizes the people who are critical of China. I've been reading Xinhua a bit since this Tibet thing broke out and there are some disturbing trends in the stories.
Any foreign non-profit or ngo that is critical of China is always referred to as being 'largely state-financed', they always try to give the impression that other countries control the lives of their citizens the way they do so anything that free people in teh US do is portrayed as being coordinated and tacitly endorsed by the US govt in China. They change the subject to demonize the people who are critical of them, they always twist foreign criticisms of their govt into cricisms of the chinese people which inflames nationalism and animosity towards the west.
It's pretty stupid to compare US stupid with China stupid. US stupid is because they chose not to learn the facts, China stupid is the things they were taught were misleading and they left out a lot of the important stuff.
http://www.chinaview.cn/
http://www.cctv.com/
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/ - Lythia, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3Haha... sounds like the Bush Administration... Maybe we should donate Bush and Cheney to the CCP. Sure they'd get along real well...
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Most probably he is an Indian. China neither allows public protest nor the press coverage of the protest. I guess that this image was taken yesterday when the olympic torch was in New Delhi. Several people (around 100) near the venue were arrested and later released. There was also a parallel torch march by Tibetians and some Indians in the National Capital itself and it was done peacefully.
- LoJack, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2In other news, Baghdad is now open for tourists. Feel free to shop at the Abu Gharib souvenir shop.
- notouch, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2how do you know they didn't choose China to be their leader?
The riot seems big scaled, but nobody ever done a survey with majority of the Tibetans.
From what I noticed, a few people can make a big noise, but that noise doesn't mean the opinion for the majority. - xster, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Why is there an unrelated image with this article? And there's no such thing as a Tibet Tourism Bureau since last year when foreigners faked documentations to get in
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -3/+4Most "free Tibet" people don't even know where Tibet is on a map. The average Americunt lack basic geography sense. lambs to the slaughter to this corrupt US system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs
Can YOU find Tibet on a map? What is the capital of Tibet? - soccerbud, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1how about providing evidences of China systematically eradicating both Tibetan culture and people (or in your terms "genocide")?
- Myonosken, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1And never existed....***** tibetans lying about glorious China!
- notouch, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3It's not because of the propaganda by the government, most of us are just fed up with biased reporting of western media.
In another word, bias and ignorance from the western world pushed all the Chinese closer to their country. - orangedude, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Except, in this case the US supports Israel both economically and militarily and consider them one of their strongest allies. Hmm...
- iNaya, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Just as untouchable as the Roman Empire? The British Empire? Riiiight.
- notouch, on 04/18/2008, -2/+3"boycott the Chinese", "China and CCP are our enemies"
Way to stir up the hatred and racism. - thecoolestguy, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Have you seen the vitriol the Chinese pour out towards Americans in their forums?
- notouch, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Dude, Tibetans aren't the only ones having their freedom and human rights surpressed.
Why the ***** should they get all the "free" chanting from western world, what about the rest of China? - EndlessRain, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2I think you are wrong on overseas Chinese mostly only read Chinese news or blogs. Most overseas Chinese actually tend to read English or what ever official language of the country they resides in.
Also regarding you pulling the statistics out of your ass on 10-20% of Chinese criticizing CCP, I think you are wrong. 100% of Chinese criticize the CCP, and way before they even leave China! Nobody in China is naive enough to believe the state run media on political issues, it's the western media that paints a picture of docile Chinese being manipulated by their Communist propagandas. Get real, Chinese are not fools and they certainly don't like western people calling them sheeples. Here's a slight interesting situation. Chinese will criticize the government all they want but as soon as a foreigner say anything about their government, Chinese will politely tell the foreigner to shut the ***** up. Think about it like a rebellious teenager who's never happy with the way their parents are treating them, but as soon as some other kids made fun of their parents, they's gonna keep it real. So no disrespecting CCP. Only Chinese are allowed to talk ***** about their government, and you whiteys keep your mouth yapping about war on terrorism.
Another thing, Chinese used to think highly of western media for its unbiased view and complete neutral take on subjects(censorship isn't as big of a problem as you diggers imagined, I think even a 14 years old transsexual thai ladyboy prostitute could rig up a proxy server with ease), but all that changed when the reports on Tibetan riots came out. I think CNN, BBC, and IHT are going to lose a lot of trust and confidence among Chinese. China will soon have more English speaker/reader than all of the native English speakers combined, so this is not good business for them to out that large a market. - orangedude, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1"Slavery in China has repeatedly come in and out of favor. Due to the enormous population of the region throughout most of its history, China has relatively had an almost unlimited workforce of cheap labor. Thus, the economy would naturally rely on a system of serfdom, slavery, or a combination of both. Approximately 5% of China's population was enslaved in ancient Han China (206 BC–220 AD) and slavery continued in China until the early 20th century.[233] Slavery in China was finally abolished in 1910.[234]" --Wikipedia
5% of slaves in ancient times (abolished in 1910) is a far cry from the repressive feudal caste system in Tibet, where an overwhelming majority of peasants were serving the few rich Tibetan monks. The two situations can not even be remotely compared. Nice try though. - thecoolestguy, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2As opposed to the Chinese kids who aren't brainwashed by their government and don't have their internet filtered of foreign influences?
- WikiEasy, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1How convenient to group all non-pro-China media as "western media". This sure makes it much easier to demonize, and portray as some unitifed western propaganda machine. Truth is, there are countless other countries, with each their own points of view.
Also, when you speak of finding out "more about what happened", how exactly do you propose anyone do that? It's not like China is letting people in with unrestricted press freedoms. And if you think what's broadcast on CCTV is anything near the truth, then I have a bridge to sell you. - thecoolestguy, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1what the ***** are you talking about?
- EndlessRain, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1I don't want to sound too arrogant, but their philosophy and religion isn't really all that special. I listened to their philosophical debates at monasteries, and I was under the impression that any college kid who have taken courses in philosophy, psychology, sociology, and basic economics will have a broader view of life than some of their most enlightened monks. I hate to burst your bubbles, but those monks just aren't as romantic as you thought they are.
- orangedude, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2The point I was trying to make is that despite the fact that many Chinese people living in Western are critical of the government, they are generally not sympathizing with the Tibetans on this matter. This cannot be blamed on propaganda. The Chinese-Tibet conflict is more complicated than most Western people think.
- xster, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Arrogance and assumptions like these are the root of all conflicts in the world.
Please do not feel superior or better informed just because you have the fair and balanced fox news available to you. I was in Tibet 2 weeks ago and I'd rather say that you fox news watchers are rather masterful at ignoring what actual Tibetans who live in Tibet think. - xster, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1ummm, no they're "fox news" facts. Where's the furthest you've ever gone from your suburb? I never understood where you get the idea of hostile invasions from? Dalai Lama is a title appointed by Chinese emperor.
Here's a quote from someone close to the Dalai Lama just before he became the vice-chair of the People's National Congress.
"In 1954, I accompanied the 14th Dalai Lama and the 10th Panchen Lama to Beijing. Till now, the zealous and respectful manner that the Dalai Lama demonstrated during that visit is still vivid in my mind. In the eulogy he presented to Chairman Mao Zedong in both Tibetan and Chinese, he extolled Chairman Mao as the "red sun", which "glorifies the whole nation, drives away invaders, and brings peace and blessing to people of all ethnic groups"
Please making a minimal effort at researching before affirming things publicly - xster, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1I'm not in a position to tell you whether you're wrong or not but please do not assume that the Chinese are destroying Tibetan cultures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y - WikiEasy, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2Take a poll, then make the statement. Don't blind guess.
- 3tcp, on 04/18/2008, -1/+2If they've been successfully brainwashed by the Chinese education system they won't need a central government to control them.
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