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- Maurina, on 04/18/2008, -4/+53This is a pretty hypocritical crowd. Most diggers say "***** the RIAA" and pirate their music. Yet when China fails to stop pirates on their own, you cast shame on them.
- asspants, on 04/18/2008, -0/+29I've been to hong kong twice in the last 6 years, the vendors selling pirated stuff on the streets and shops were acting paranoid. I'll give a perfect example. When you go into a place that sells software you'll notice that all the stuff on the shelves are shareware and freewear stuff.
So I asked the shop owner if he had any newer stuff. I was escorted to a back room where I sat down at a table and an employee brought me a 3 ring binder with pictures of software and numbers by them. I was provided with a pen and paper. I picked out the stuff I wanted, gave the guy the paper, I gave him what I think was roughly the equivlant of 40 US dollars.
Here's where it got weird. He told me to exit the building and go across the street into the alleyway next to the japanese resturaunt and wait.
So I figgure I'm gonna get mugged or this dude is just ***** me over.
I go there, and there's an old lady standing around with a couple of bags. I showed her the peice of paper the guy gave me, and she handed me a bag, with all the software I picked out.
They really are fighting piracy there. There's just so much of it with that many people it's hard to watch everything at once. - fpaudon, on 04/18/2008, -3/+25Wow, double standard much? Since when was piracy considered evil and vile on Digg?
- monkeyrun, on 04/18/2008, -0/+20This is digg, what do you expect?
- cheese06, on 04/18/2008, -1/+16I think CNN really popularized the "demonize China" movement really. especially Lou Dubbs. I love (/sarcasm) the "Red Storm" segment, it reminds me of the "yellow peril" days of World War II I learned in high school and the yellow invasion of American property by the Japanese in the 1980s. Its just a continuation really. Politicians fear mongering? Well count the media too for all its fear mongering crap.
- VastAwakening, on 04/18/2008, -4/+18For crying out loud, people need to stop marking China with such xenophobic and damning blanket statements. Have you been to China??? Intellectual property is just what the capitalist have brainwashed you into believing so they can continue to profit profit profit. Before you continually blame the Chinese for pirating, go to China and see that all the DVD shops and knock-off malls are completely full of throngs of Western people buying the pirate goods. In fact, there is even a joke amongst Western tourist comparing who has bought and sent more pirate DVD's home. There will only be a supply if there is a demand. You think the majority of the Chinese care to watch DVD's of Sex and the City? Nothing is black and white, stop constantly China bashing. It just drums fear and distrust amongst people.
- Acidrain77, on 04/18/2008, -0/+14How come we have to pay 20 dollars for movies when they get them for 4 dollars.
Guess we're the dumb ones - dolvlo, on 04/18/2008, -5/+15Am I the only one that thinks that piracy isn't such a bad thing?
- AlKo, on 04/18/2008, -9/+19Ah piracy and trademark infringement... sleazy money without the violence/hassle of drug dealing.
- stonebear, on 04/18/2008, -3/+13Heh heh. The lawyer infested United States, and to a slightly lesser extent, Europe, believe the world can be ruled by simply controlling the idea of things. The brute China believes the world can only be ruled by controlling the things themselves. Which is insane? Time will tell.
- ThinkBox, on 04/18/2008, -13/+22If they don't respect human rights in the slightest for their OWN CITIZENS what makes you think they respect the intellectual property of other nations?
- Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7There's also a chicken and egg thing going on. There is NO legitimate media to be had in China anywhere. Not for love or money. The big media companies won't sell legit DVD's here because they're afraid they'll be pirated (and they will be.)
Lenovo, the computer company, pirates the software it uses in its business in the China offices. They have no choice. Microsoft won't give them an MSDN account for the same reason.
If there were legitimate legal alternatives to piracy I could see being maybe upset. But there aren't. - Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -0/+7That's essentially the difference between Western and Chinese thought. "Ideas of things" is a concept inherited from Plato.
- Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -0/+6$2 a movie? My friend, you got seriously ripped off.
- VastAwakening, on 04/18/2008, -0/+6So the problem is China? or is it people like yourself, non-Chinese, who is openly buying pirate software by the bundle? But unfortunately, hypocritical people in the West will continually condemn China, yet not realize that a huge proportion of the problem just as much your own fault. Yet, the finger only points one way.
asspants is right in that they actually do crackdown on this stuff. I've seen police come walking down the streets to do a sweep and you just see the "venders" panic and pack up their things and flee. - Enron, on 04/18/2008, -2/+8I can't wait until the Chinese reverse engineer the Olympics.
- notoneofus, on 04/18/2008, -1/+7Actually, he's pretty much right on regarding who buys fake things in China. Overwhelmingly westerners.
- Czin644, on 04/18/2008, -3/+9Selling illegal copies of media is not the same thing as sharing them.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+6thank you. i am so ***** tired of all the china bashing on digg too
- 0ldmankdude, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5trying to spread viruses via digg? good luck with that...
- asspants, on 04/18/2008, -0/+5I wasnt saying the problem is china, brother. I am not condemning china, I was just relating a story to illustrate that china is actually making an attempt, despite the air of sarcasm and beleivability of this article's title.
- duckyinc, on 04/18/2008, -1/+6but they buy it or bittorent it..
- logiktrip, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5Because it has to do with China.
- Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4***** the RIAA?
- crashdvis, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5What! The Communist Utopia cheats! Get out of here! I thought they were supposed to be the ideal of what right thinking people every where strive to be. Hmm. Also, I think its somewhat ironic that the Communist Utopia steals products from those who sympathize with them the most (those in the entertainment industry.) I don't know if that is more irony or more poetic justice. I'd need a ruling on that.
- EvansHall, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5America: We're fighting terrorism, honest!
- laserblazer, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5The Internet has wrung a rather miserable little whine from the so-called 'intellectual property' owners.
Newsflash: your ***** is easy to reverse engineer and usually sucks. You ain't gettin' rich this way. - Gatchaman, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4The average house hold income in China is something like $2000 (US) a year. So you can see why they choose to pirate.
"The studios have apparently found that selling their DVDs for so cheap is still better than not selling any at all. If the IOC is smart, perhaps it should plan to sell official merchandise on the cheap during the Games, too. - Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -0/+4Fair Use? They don't even have any copyright law. Good for them!
- dolvlo, on 04/18/2008, -1/+5Firstly, this is pretty racist and there has been a long history of racism towards chinese (and other asians) in this country. Secondly, you are clearly ignorant of the chinese language since the L and R sounds in chinese are not in free variation. If you don't understand what free variation is, you sir, need to shut the ***** up. Here's a link because you're probably too lazy to look it up yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_variation
- sovietninja, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Ah, further proof that the Olympics is just one great big advertisement for corporations. The fact that China is gonna crack down on the use of Olympic symbols basically means that someone, somewhere, didn't make some money off a school child's drawing. Seems like the spirit of the games is the corporate competition in the free market and the competition between athletes is only symbolizes this. It's ***** brilliant when you think about it. The only way you could probably top that is to sell ads that advertise the ads for sale.
- kungfool, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Americans should start pirating green tea and rice. That'll level the playing field.
- AlienMushroom, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Why are you against piracy while you are supporting The Pirate Bay at the same time? Classic western hypocrisy.
- inactive, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3dont know why youre getting dugg down. youre absolutely right
- 3tcp, on 04/18/2008, -5/+8How much do you want to bet that protest materials are considered copyright infringement? China doesn't have a 'fair use' clause that would allow people to own something with a picture of the olympic rings covered in blood
- sovietninja, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3AND a fleshlight.
- asspants, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3I visited when I was in the navy, on the ship out in the water, you don't just install bittorrent on a government computer and start downloading from mininova. 6 months at sea, you need some games to take with you.
- aaaleman, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3Sure...
I was just in Shanghai for 10 weeks. Whenever I wanted to see a new movie, I walked 20 paces down the street and there were 4 shops selling DVDs at 7 yuan (about $1) for old releases, 10 yaun for the newest. Not to mention software (mostly in Mandarin), video games, counterfeit clothes and electronics of all sorts, etc.
Hell, in Beijing they had counterfeit WATER!
This was true for practically every street in both cities, regardless how affluent the neighborhood. - asspants, on 04/18/2008, -2/+5No, you're the dumbass, he's absolutely correct.
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Let's be honest though the only reason you "share" with other people is to keep your ratio high so you can take more ***** for yourself. It is pure greed either way.
- inactive, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2How does counterfeit water work exactly?
- kingmanic, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare
I'm fairly certain it doesn't apply to US - China relations. It's more of a semi-hostile co-operation. - ShempRider, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2How was it fake? It's probably identical to the original save for, maybe, packaging.
- AlienMushroom, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2The reason: you are stimulated by a western anti-China policy.
- sovietninja, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2If the problem is lack of moral responsibility, then yes the finger tends to point one way. However, China does not tell non-Chinese people to not buy the pirated wares, they tell the Chinese to not offer pirated products. There is a difference. They know that non-Chinese people will spend their money, one way or another, but if the government doesn't get a piece of the pie, there is a problem.
I'm not arguing with you btw, I'm just further elaborating on your comment. If China was against the purchase of pirated software, it would arrest those who buy the products. This would be bad PR, even if your money doesn't go straight to the government, their economy benefits on just having foreign currency. - masterm1nd, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2It does go both ways, yes. But do you know how much the US has given the world in terms of science, medicine? Thanks to the American creator of GM food, 2 billion people are now living that would have otherwise starved top death or not been conceived because their would be parents starved to death. That figure is based on using traditional farming methods on current farm land. And world farmland is in constant decline due to growing cities and something else that I forget...
- Hangly, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3There's been official merchandise for sale here on the cheap for about 8 years already.
- sovietninja, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Which is like a month's wages for the average factory worker...
- compucomp2, on 04/18/2008, -1/+3If you don't like it when the RIAA does its thing, then you'd be a hypocrite to criticize China. Yet another instance of the blatant Hypocrisy of the diggbots.
- VastAwakening, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2I know brother. I pointed out you were right at the bottom of my comment. But I was using you to point out how people in the west fail to ever see things rationally. The larger problem is that, for whatever reason, US media seems to constantly attack China, like it does Iran.
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