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- dkapuchino, on 05/27/2008, -11/+53Bringing many babies into this world that you cannot support, is not a "right".
- Shingyboy, on 05/27/2008, -5/+29You have to realize that because they are a poor country with such a huge population, if they kept having too many babies that would mean even more children and families would be starving then currently so they have choice unless they risk having this result.
- dleesgeetar, on 05/27/2008, -0/+23so it looks like China is making a few exceptions (for example allowing disabled children to not count as the one child) but not completely dropping the policy
- promoe, on 05/27/2008, -4/+20Finally some good news, and yes, it makes sense.
- 9bpm9, on 05/27/2008, -7/+22Makes sense. Glad to see the Chinese government doing something like this.
- hauntedchippy, on 05/27/2008, -4/+18It's an inevitable policy if the human population will continue to insist on growing beyond the capacity of Earth to sustain them. Better get used to the idea.
- mickstephenson, on 05/27/2008, -2/+15Rights are all very well and good, until over population means you strip the entire Earth of the resources you need to sustain your population, and everyone dies horrible violent deaths in wars over resources. We don't want the Earth to become a scaled up Easter Island, tough decisions like this are going to be inevitable at some point.
- anshuman, on 05/27/2008, -5/+17ah. the goverment showing some heart for people and not really doing it for some profit. what a nice change in news.
- Haoie, on 05/27/2008, -1/+13It'd be great too, if the parents who lost children in the horrible quake, could adopt kids who were unfortunately orphaned.
- RonniSR, on 05/27/2008, -1/+11[ Common sense vs. Senseless comment ]
10, 9, 8... Knockout. - Hangly, on 05/27/2008, -1/+10Forced abortions were true in some cases before the 1980's. Not anymore though.
Also, some of the really poor uneducated people enforce it themselves...
My wife (who is Chinese, and a younger sibling herself, by the way) told me when she was little she found a baby's head out in a field.
That's why hospitals in China are prohibited by law from telling couples the sex of their child before it's born. Some people will rush out and abort a baby if they find out its a girl. - Murdats, on 05/27/2008, -1/+9they can be as sexually free as they want, as long as they dont reproduce more then once.
- HenvY, on 05/27/2008, -1/+9How is the one child rule enforced, anyway?
- D4r7h3v1l, on 05/27/2008, -0/+7Yea, because GDP is clearly a better indicator of how well off the average Chinese person is than looking at their actual quality of life...
- hauntedchippy, on 05/27/2008, -1/+8Irrational, unexplainable fear or dislike for a region or people.
Well done, thats called xenophobia. - cdigioia, on 05/27/2008, -1/+8Actually, babies are a product of sex.
No lie, I've met many loving couples who don't make babies, and many people who aren't in love yet managed to procreate. - blast_flame, on 05/27/2008, -0/+6At least it's better that increasing/maintaining the death rate.
- inactive, on 05/27/2008, -1/+7Forced abortions DO still happen. Don't try carrying the party line here..it doesn't work.
During the 90's the Clinton Administration turned a group of pregnant women back to china who were seeking asylum to save their children.
They were forcibly aborted upon returning to china.
http://www.womenscommission.org/pdf/liberty.pdf
NPR did a story on Forced abortions just last year. Business for the abortionist is thriving in china.
mindy - kamisamaji, on 05/27/2008, -0/+6It's not like they can't choose to have another baby: they just get taxed a lot...
- Jebra, on 05/27/2008, -4/+9These comments are extremely disappointing. Tens of thousands of people have lost their children. PR or not, this is a chance for families to move forward from this tragedy when they are ready. Too many times on Digg, I feel like people don't look past the government to the innocent populace who can't do anything about their situation.
- QueensGangsta, on 05/27/2008, -1/+6Your a sick guy.
- Hangly, on 05/27/2008, -0/+5The cities on the coast have money. The interior is very third-world.
- rblancarte, on 05/27/2008, -1/+6Fines, and children beyond the second don't have some of the perks (free education, etc).
- sublingo, on 05/27/2008, -1/+5Sorry, like it or dislike it, good or bad financial sense, making babies is a most fundamental and basic human right.
- Hangly, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4The one-child policy had several loopholes. Ethnic minorities don't have to abide by it, and since the 80's people with money don't either. You can "buy" the right to a second child by paying a tax.
China had its green revolution in the 90's and is now a net food exporter. Population isn't the problem it used to be. - chembro84, on 05/27/2008, -2/+6You are no Libertarian if you even think for a second that the government should be able to determine whether or not it's OK for you to have kids.
- hauntedchippy, on 05/27/2008, -2/+6And what about the rights of everyone else to food? If people are allowed to breed like bacteria then it's not long before the population is unsustainable. It's common sense no matter how much you don't like to hear it.
- gaoshan, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4It has happened but it is not policy. Those involved in the forced abrotions in the NPR story were prosecuted by the Chinese government. So you know I'm not just making this up:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china ...
The truth of the situation is, like so much of what goes on in China, very complex. Yes forced abortions have occurred, no they are not national policy. Yes officials have been involved but in many cases those officials end up in trouble for that involvement. Forced abortions were more common 10 and 20 years ago but China's constant evolution and modernization means that today they are much less common and more frequently prosecuted as the wrong acts they are. - PPCG4, on 05/27/2008, -2/+6Nice try. They are fined and taxed.
- Akaricloud, on 05/27/2008, -0/+4Oh.. I'm sorry. Did the Chinese government who changed the rule write this article? No, the ABC did. Your acting like the Chinese Government has somehow tricked you.
Though how this affects you in any way at all I have no idea. - inactive, on 05/27/2008, -3/+7Forced abortions DO still happen. Don't try carrying the party line here..it doesn't work.
During the 90's the Clinton Administration turned a group of pregnant women back to china who were seeking asylum to save their children.
They were forcibly aborted upon returning to china.
http://www.womenscommission.org/pdf/liberty.pdf
NPR did a story on Forced abortions just last year. Business for the abortionist is thriving in china. - cdavaz, on 05/27/2008, -5/+9Caution: Think before opening mouth.
- sqhihi, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4you idiot... 1-child policy has nothing to do with killing any unborn child. there're protections so that women don't get pregnant. and if they get pregnant accidentally, the family can pay money to have the baby born.
- OzzieAlThor, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4Almost all the negative digg's are one's suggesting the government shouldn't tell you how many kids to have or not. Bet you most of the people that clicked the down thumb are Pro Choice. Hypocricy = WIN on the internet.
- temjrpgh, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3The market will demand new forms of energy an methods of growing food. You are assuming the US will not produce it's own resources and that the current arrangement of the US being a consumer nation will remain, which it won't. The weakness of our currency will see to it that we begin producing.
- antonycao, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3I just read a piece of news saying that Bush blames China and India for consuming all the food...And there is also fears that China consumes too much oil that otherwise can be used by Americans.
China started this policy few decades ago to avoid overpoluation and food crisis for the rest of the world, and now China is being blamed for this policy?
What on earth do you want? A country with 2 billion people and consuming no food and energy??? Greedy people. - hauntedchippy, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Now that is a fair criticism. But then it's not China that troubles you, it is their government. An important difference
- ramiro, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4It is incredible that this guy is being dugg down just because he's telling the truth. It is nobody's business how many children you decide to have.
China is a dictatorship, you bunch of assmorons!
Why don't you go freaking live there if you endorse their government and their totalitarian policies? - jspegele, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3wow, that was all over the place you realize what happens when you try to type more than 1 more biggerer thought at the same time there is not enough oil for the world right??
- FUR10N, on 05/27/2008, -3/+6I didn't expect China to do that, but it does sound like good news (even though there population is still out of control)
- 007kz, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Something POSITIVE about the Chinese government on DIGG?
I think Hell just froze over. - Rizzob23, on 05/27/2008, -3/+6Why do people think that having children is a right? In a world bursting at the seams with 6.5 billion and counting, it seems downright foolish to think that it is one's birthright to reproduce ad infinitum. All the problems we have with resource depletion and environmental destruction can be accounted for by overpopulation. Every new child brings us one step closer to an inevitable Malthusian catastrophe.
I'm glad the PRC is letting those who lost what may have been their only child to have another, but on the whole I agree with their policy. People are like any other species in that they will blindly reproduce until some disaster culls the population. The Earth simply can't support an ever increasing human population.
Every day, another 250,000 hungry mouths are added to the world. That is a scary number. I'm usually pretty libertarian, but I do support population laws. If we are unable to control our numbers, mother nature will do so on our behalf, and it will be a terrible, terrible thing. - jaytea90, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4I wish i could be one of those guys that say "I registered just to bury you", unfortunately i'll just have to stick to only burying you
- Jebra, on 05/27/2008, -1/+4It still exists. Do a news search and there are still instances of it happening. And by the way, my family is Chinese who came from a poor rural background, which is why I take an interest in the human rights practices going on in the country.
- 883XL, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Minorities are also exempt from the one child rule
- uminatsu, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3Had China not enforced the one-child policy since 1980, a lot more children would have been killed in this earthquake.
Without effective population planning, families would have raised 2~3 kids on average. Not only would there be a lot more kids (likely double or triple the current number) in the quake area, but the available per-capita government budget for education would likely be reduced to a half or less. That could either mean a high rate of iliteracy, or a lot of crappily constructed schools that easily collapse to rubbles in a 7.8 earthquake... - Opiate, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2You must be new.. this is China, don't act so surprised.
- kingmanic, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2The way it works is the government will pay the cost of your childs education and supply public services if it is a single child. If you have more then one you forgo these benefits. Thus practically it means the upper middle class and the rich don't care. They don't do anything to force you not to have a second kid and you aren't buying anything you're just footing the whole bill for their education, public services such as vaccinations and paying a bit extra tax. If you are a single child born after the policy took effect you are allowed more.
Second hand account, many of my cousins still live there and were the children under this policy. About half of my aunts and uncles opted to have more then one and just foot the bill. - gaoshan, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2They can. People are lining up to adopt children orphaned in the quake. Here is an article about it: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJPd_TRPRJS414h ...
- temjrpgh, on 05/27/2008, -1/+3Let them make the decision to procreate or not. Starvation may be the price of a poor decision, but they may also adapt and survive, finding new ways to feed people due to necessity.
The idealogical 'box sets' American culture provides are so ridiculous. There is a large group of people that reject religion in favor of 'evolution', yet this same group of people would prefer to halt natural selection in China. These two concepts occur side by side in the 'I'm a liberal' box set of ideas provided by the media. Even worse, these same people claim to be against 'social controls' like prohibiting gays to marry. The other box set "I'm a conservative" is just as screwed up.
As a citizen of the US you have to select your political views like you select your cable package. -
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