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- cdigioia, on 07/21/2008, -14/+238#1 It's awful & the place should be illegal (probably is illegal), we all know that, aside from the twisted. But this description is utter crap.
The article says nothing about anyone being tortured to death
The article says nothing about anyone being tortured at Guantanamo
The article says the 5 children at Guantanamo still, of those 3 were 17, 1 was 16, and 1 was 14-15, Those are youths, not children.
Don't bury me because you're in a "us vs. them" mindset - I'm NOT saying Guantanamo is right, I'm saying the Digg description is crap. - Mejogid, on 07/21/2008, -14/+150I've often heard people say that history is useless, and its study is pointless. What astounds me is that in a world where the vast majority have at least a servicable knowledge of Hitler's attrocities, people can standby as their own government follows an almost identical path. The parallels are astounding - fabricate an enemy who's responsible for all your problems (Jews/terrorists), start a war on this enemy to polarise the public and "dissapear" them, disgrace your political opposition (claiming communists started th Reichstag fire/claiming democrats are weak on terrorism), erode the rights of your own people and consolidate the power of the head of state, while removing carefully placed checks and balances because you're an extreme situation (of depression or war).
What amazes me is how far the establishment has been able to come when there are so many systems in place to stop this from happening, and while everybody is perfectly aware of what has come before. History really does repeat itself... - inactive, on 07/21/2008, -84/+208How low can we go? Slow low that we are as bad as Hitler's third riech.
- fuhcough, on 07/21/2008, -93/+214Oh gimme a ***** break already. Sensationalist Guardian ***** stain of an article.
16 and 17 year olds... Here's the thing, though... look at the countries where these "kids" were taken. At their ages, they're considered adults. They're old enough to work, have families, etc.
Plus, if you're old enough to shoot at people, you're old enough for a good ol' fashioned waterboarding.
And FTA: "He was found dead in his cell in June 2006 after apparently killing himself." Funny how the article mentioned ONLY ONE DEATH... and it was a SUICIDE. Yet "Children tortured to death" is what sells papers I suppose. ***** accuracy I suppose. Stop the world - this is where I get off. - inactive, on 07/21/2008, -42/+153"Some might think-though I don't- that nine years ago there was some excuse for men not to see the direction in which the world was going. Today, the evidence is so blatant that no excuse can be claimed by anyone any longer. Those who refuse to see it now are neither blind nor innocent."
-Any Rand
There is going to be hell to pay for the decisions and actions being made by our leaders. We need to make a course correction in this country, and we need to do it now! Having an election and putting another murderer in the place of our current regime is not enough for the things we as citizens have allowed to happen these things are beyond putting a new face on the same old policies.
Get involved and be heard, it's almost too late. The division bell is being rung, and contrary to popular belief; when the lines are drawn; all of us outside of the main structure of the government will be on the receiving end of a total take over and lock down of our country. If you think this is an extreme idea; all you need to do is look to the evidence in this article. A government that causes and condones the death of children, is a government that will stomp on the neck of you and your family without a second thought.
God Speed America. - SatoriSeeker, on 07/21/2008, -26/+115The real criminals face no judges, no juries, and no executioners it would seem. They are protected by the Secret Service, the politicized Justice Department, the corrupt Attorney General, and the majority of our complicit Congress - especially Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi protects them against the will of her own constituency, to protect herself because she and many others also have blood on their hands.
- zombiecarlin, on 07/21/2008, -2/+84The article doesn't mention anything about "tortured to death" that sensationalism was put in the title by the douche who submitted the article. In this case it is Digg that is sensationalist and *****.
- 3rdDay, on 07/21/2008, -17/+98Terrible, unjust and deeply mistaken policy that Guantánamo Bay represents is, the article neither says nor infers that children where tortured to death there. What is happening is bad enough with exaggeration. Buried for misleading title.
- poidh, on 07/21/2008, -19/+91Buried as inaccurate. The article makes no mention of anyone being tortured to death.
Also, the young people being kept there are not children. 16 year olds arent children, you dumb bastards. - inactive, on 07/21/2008, -33/+91"He was found dead in his cell in June 2006 after apparently killing himself."
Apparently huh? Well that's real convenient. Some kid starts stirring problems up, just suicide him.
I love how Bush is somehow not held accountable for these atrocities. How the American people buy this load of ***** is light years beyond me. - DaDrake, on 07/21/2008, -12/+51I don't agree with some of the interrogation practices but calling these individuals children is like calling Paris Hilton a virgin. It is sensationalism.
- inactive, on 07/21/2008, -43/+82one my fellow canadian citizens, a 16 year old kid was held in guantanamo as a terrorist. Turns out he killed an american medic and gravely wounded another soldier. Just because they're under 18 doesn't make them innocent. The 16 year old canadian knew what he was doing, and I support everything but torture, but I most certainly like the idea of executing the *****.
I hope he loses his canadian citizenship and ***** dies. - TacMedic, on 07/21/2008, -4/+38Buried for misleading title. No where does the story even given any sort of proof or testimonial that children are being tortured to death. One child has died and we are left to assume that it what has happened based upon previous events there.
- thePTS, on 07/21/2008, -5/+37You probably mean:
"I most certainly like the idea of executing the *****.. if he's proven guilty by a judge and a jury." - PWoT, on 07/21/2008, -3/+33Thank you. Article buried for inaccuracy. When you lie, it only undermines your own case.
- larkztongue, on 07/21/2008, -5/+35I wish I could tell you how paranoid that sounds-Unfortunately, you speak the facts
- 996turbo, on 07/21/2008, -0/+27One 17 year old starved himself to death, and suddenly children are being tortured to death? no. Although some terrible things do go on at guantamino, to compare the circumstances to that of the third reich shows that you know nothing about that regime. a couple hundred terrorists locked up is nothing compared to millions being slaughtered, jewish WW1 heros being forced to scrub sidewalks, people being forced to work to death in factories in their thousands....
- Mahstah, on 07/21/2008, -11/+36Where exactly in the article does it say that children were tortured to death? Buried as sensationalism and inaccuracy. Nothing new to Digg, as long as it hates on America.
- godfly, on 07/21/2008, -1/+24ever wonder why instead of playing, these kids chose to kill americans instead?
- drfluffer, on 07/21/2008, -6/+29Innocent until proven guilty. Moron.
- Shoegaze99, on 07/21/2008, -3/+24"I think things will get so bad that they will make the Nazis look like cub scouts!"
Are you ***** ***** me? - Asianwaste, on 07/21/2008, -4/+24"Children tortured to death at Guantánamo "
and
"Saudi citizen Yasser Talal Al Zahrani, 17 when captured, joined a prison-wide hunger strike in 2005. He was found dead in his cell in June 2006 after apparently killing himself."
Come on, it's not like the place needs a spin to look bad. Just call it as it is: "The minors prisoned at Guantanamo" - Stavrosian, on 07/21/2008, -4/+23The thing about Godwin's law is that it seems to have led to people believing that it is always inappropriate to make comparisons to Nazi Germany. When we're talking about governments illegally imprisoning people and torturing them, I think it's fair comment.
That said, the submitter is being a sensationalist. The article refers to one minor who killed himself, it makes no mention of any more dying in any way. If the implication in the headline was that discrepancies between official figures of under-18s at Gitmo and figures which have already been obtained through the Freedom of Information act mean some of them have been killed and erased from the records then that is one hell of a leap. - chrisinsocalif, on 07/21/2008, -6/+25The title is misleading and incorrect "Children tortured to death at Guantánamo " is wrong as a title since the story doesn't support the title or claim of torture . The story says "joined a prison-wide hunger strike......He was found dead in his cell in June 2006 after apparently killing himself."
Where is the part about being tortured to death?
This part ".....rendered to Jordan where he endured 16 months of torture before being transferred" which means he was tortured in Jordan.
Rendered def - To submit or present.
So where are the parts where children were tortured to death in Guantanamo? Only partially correct part is the "Children are being kept prisoner at Guantanamo," which are more like young adults, but at least its close and not totally incorrect. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 07/21/2008, -6/+25Buried as inaccurate for suggesting someone who starved himself to death was tortured.
Also the author is not a journalist, but a Human Rights Lawyer pretending that she isn't writing an opinion piece. So this should be under political opinion, not news. - larkztongue, on 07/21/2008, -24/+43It saddens me that the attitude most Americans regarding ANYONE being held, not alone children under 18 years of age, is satisfaction that "THEY"are not able to hurt us as long as "THEY" are locked away. And I shall be very surprised only when someone agrees that this is just so wrong and sheds tears with me.
- Egoist, on 07/21/2008, -1/+19There is video made by him and his associates planting mines and building explosives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
You see, there are real facts, but your prejudices and anti-Americanism have so blinded you that you refuse to see the truth. - libervisco, on 07/21/2008, -3/+21History will always repeat itself so long as people continue believing the same old crap; that governments are there to "protect" and "serve" them and that a certain group of people is right to use violence to control everyone else.
Right, how freaking stupid must have we been really? To think more violence will guarantee more security and order? All you get is war and dystopia, sooner or later.
I know most of you will frown on the idea, but at this point in time, can you blame me for being a voluntaryist / anarcho-capitalist? Governments are a bad idea. And we've been shown that time and time again. It's time we learn something for a change.
And don't talk to me about "minimal government" and "checks and balances" and "democracy". That's what US was from the beginning, and look at it today. It's been proven NOT to work in the long run. Free Market is all we need. Live and let live. - OCPaddler, on 07/21/2008, -4/+21Buried for the dishonest title.
- inactive, on 07/21/2008, -8/+24so torturing kids is ok if you have a good reason then ?
- Mejogid, on 07/21/2008, -1/+16Many of those in Guantanamo don't face the first two either - for different reasons...
- armyabn1, on 07/21/2008, -15/+30Thank God someone on here has some sense. These stories are getting more ridiculous by the day. I suppose they gain traction because most of the ***** on Digg will support anything anti-establishment (yay Ron Paul!)....
Buried for inaccurate title and being sensationist *****..... - Amidas, on 07/21/2008, -1/+14Why don't you try actually reading the news story instead of the terribly misreading description? Also, why don't you try picking up a history book?
- TheOther1, on 07/21/2008, -14/+27Godwin's Law on the first comment. Way to go.
- nick1971, on 07/21/2008, -4/+16I totally agree to your post
So if I remember history
A terrorist act lead to
detaining a prisoner lead to
enhanced interrogation techniques lead to
legislation rolling back civil rights lead to
detainment of enemies of the state "terrorists" for a indeterminate about of time without legal representation or trial lead to
to set up of a detainment camp for enemies of the state lead to
additional powers for information collection lead to
led to the need to remove repressive regimes to liberate the people lead by force lead to
wars for resources.
Before I get slated for critiquing the US I wasn't this is my countries history.
The country is Germany and the time was the 1930's. You know what happened then. Luckily it lead to the set up of the International war trials tribunal and associated trials. In my opinion this should happen here but it won't as the US has conveniently removed itself from the charter of human rights and has reversed its decision to recognize the international court of human rights.
PS George if you are listening here is a cookbook of the next steps.
Define enemies of the state as being those in political opposition.
Investigate them using your newly acquired rights for interrogation and detainment
Declare a state of emergency as enemies of the state are all in the Democratic party. Only the republicans can deal with the terrorism. Repeal the constitution.
Start arresting people for sedition.
Define racial profiling rules
Start arresting certain groups.......
If you want any more steps just DIGG me and I'll tell you the next steps - kylere, on 07/21/2008, -8/+20Umm we try 16 year olds as adults in the US on a regular basis.
- Waiting2awake, on 07/21/2008, -5/+17There is a virtual sea filled of tears from people around the world over what has happened to the US.
- root1657, on 07/21/2008, -1/+13I dont get where the submitter makes the jump from 'they are there' in the article to his sensationalist submission of being tortured to death...
- merlin5, on 07/21/2008, -14/+26Worse than Nazi Germany??? Boy is there a lack of history education in this community. If we were to skin everybody in Gitmo alive, parade the skins as trophies and then eat their remains. We still wouldn't even come close to Nazi Germany.
- crimson117, on 07/21/2008, -1/+12They're no longer on the battlefield. They're in a military prison in Cuba.
- frankengeek, on 07/21/2008, -15/+26Thank you, I dugg you up - refreshing so see what you wrote
- writie, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11Which 10 and 11 year-olds?
- ubuwalker31, on 07/21/2008, -2/+13Your first example isn't really a parallel. Terrorists aren't a fabricated enemy (although the claims of potential terrorist attacks have arguably been over-exaggerated by the government). Terrorists attacked the World Trade Center (twice), the Pentagon, and tried to fly a plane into the White House. Terrorists have attacked US interests in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere. In contrast, Jews didn't do a damn thing to the Germans....they were a completely innocent scapegoat.
- inactive, on 07/21/2008, -5/+16While the rest of the ME world stones and hangs 16-17 year old Gays, Women and CHILDREN for not adhering to Sharia law.
- dorsey47, on 07/21/2008, -0/+11Wow, a digger that actually read the article! You are right. I wonder if any of these reactionaries would want grenades tossed at them. If the enemy sees that children are off limits for prosecution then children they will use.
- Cornea, on 07/21/2008, -18/+29Nowhere in the article does The Guardian say "Children tortured to death". But '***** accuracy' I suppose - when someone can't even be bothered to read something before mouthing off.
Can you please directly quote something from the article that you think is sensationalist? Just so I can tell that you have actually read it :). In fact reading the article it seems purely factual, with no opinion or no emotional reaction (unlike your knee jerk reaction to the article itself). - frankengeek, on 07/21/2008, -8/+18Sorry but if someone - including a child picks up a gun he or she is just as dangerous as an adult. 13 years old was considered an adult in the past, whats so different now? Could it be because it's GW in office???? I think so.
- bonuscheese, on 07/21/2008, -6/+16Misleading title beating up the actual story. Buried.
- landosystem, on 07/21/2008, -5/+15Any Rand? I choose Rand McNally.
- yunus, on 07/21/2008, -0/+9you forgot a key word, Alleged. When was the trial that convicted him? What evidence is their that shows he is a terrorist? I did say evidence also not just a "oh hes guilty cause I say so".
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