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- uHaveASmallDigg, on 09/03/2009, -8/+30“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
-- Mahatma Gandhi - TimtheTaxMan, on 09/03/2009, -2/+17Even though it’s not pretty, I don’t know what else they could do. There is no other choice unless we all stop eating eggs and chicken, which isn’t going to happen.
At least this death is quick and relatively painless. - inactive, on 09/03/2009, -4/+17This has to be the worst fap material I have ever seen.
- krets, on 09/03/2009, -0/+11Is Tuna a vegetable?
Have you seen the practices used for catching tuna? What about how dairy cows are treated? - sremick, on 09/03/2009, -7/+17Dupe much?
http://digg.com/pets_animals/Chicks_Being_Ground_U ...
It was on the front page just like 2 days ago. Try searching first. Rule #8:
http://vtbsd.net.nyud.net:8090/digg_guide.html - Onetrack, on 09/03/2009, -1/+10I'm sorry to tell you this -
But theres an ingredient in your TUNA salad that isn't a vegetable.
If you havn't figured it out, i'll give you a hint.
IT'S TUNA. - JimSwarthow, on 09/03/2009, -1/+10 the sick and/or hurt chicks on the floor, yeah, that's something that could be avoided and they should be fined for that disgusting sort of cruelty. but beyond that I'm not sure what the point of this is. should they be required to find an even quicker (than instantaneous) way to kill the chicks? they electrocute the adults when they're ready to be processed, is that somehow better? why?
and it should be noted that the group behind this vid is a proponent of everyone in the world switching to a strict vegan diet.
I think all us meat eaters as well as all the vegans in the world are gonna have to come to terms w/ the fact that in order to eat an animal it'll first have to be killed. - gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet! HAR HAR - but seriously, I've got no problem w/ people who don't have the stomach for the way food (animals) gets to our table. but if they really believe everyone else on the face of the earth should change their diets, the diets that've kept us alive for hundreds of thousands of years, to conform to their particular set of morals they're nuts. - Xzelick, on 09/03/2009, -0/+8In the wild only 2 out of 5 chicks survive anyway so at these these chicks have a little better odds assuming 50% are female. It's probably better than the slower, scarier, and more paintful death of being eaten by a predator like a snake, owl, hawk, or crow.
- marciot, on 09/03/2009, -0/+8Since this is a dupe of an earlier post, let me summarize the posts which were made in the previous article:
1) Griding is more humane than other methods used by other farms, such as throwing live chicks into large trash buckets and leaving them to die, or burying them alive
2) Asphyxiation by CO2 is an effective method, but is slow and there is a possibility that some chicks survive the treatment and are left to die a slow death in the trash
3) While grinding leads to instant death, there is a possibility the chicks could be hurt before the enter the grinding apparatus
4) The debeaking process may seem cruel, but it keeps the chicks from pecking themselves to death while in captivity, which itself is more cruel.
5) We should come up with some biotech solution to raise only female chicks
6) Assorted McNuggets and KFC jokes
7) Assorted "mmmm... chicken" type posts
There was probably a pedobear post buried in the comments section somewhere, but I didn't look that closely. - MeLikeyTacos, on 09/03/2009, -0/+6I've got an idea, why don't we just find adopters for 30 million chicks a year? No? OK how about this, we'll just get everyone to stop eating chicken. No? Well ***** guys I'm all outta ideas.
- lhbaker, on 09/03/2009, -4/+10I wonder what those workers dream about, and whether they still eat chicken or eggs.
- Otto, on 09/03/2009, -0/+6a) This is a damn dupe, again, from just a couple days ago. Seriously, people...
b) Grinding up the male chicks is standard procedure, because they're basically useless to the industry. If you can think of some other use for them, then the industry would be *more* than happy to have you take them off their hands. Nobody has stepped forward to do that.
c) This is by far the quickest and most humane way to kill them. Their death takes a fraction of a fraction of a second this way. Any other way you can think of takes far longer and is more likely to cause pain. Don't like it? Stop eating eggs.
d) Yes, the chicks on the floor is not normal and should be investigated and stopped. That's just sloppy procedure at that specific plant.
e) Won't stop me from eating omelets. - ssquared22, on 09/03/2009, -2/+8I know we need meat and food and poultry, but this is really gross and barbaric.
- DrummerSi, on 09/03/2009, -1/+6You're a vegetarian that eats tuna!?
I never understood that.. TUNA IS FISH! FISH IS MEAT!
STUPID ***** "VEGETARIANS" - Ouze, on 09/03/2009, -1/+6I know chicks are super cute and all, but I don't really have a problem with this, despite how it has been reported. The solution they are currently using was deemed the most humane way to go by a board of vets. It's not like it's a household blender... It's a purpose built industrial grinder, which for all intents vaporizes the chicks nearly instantly.
If you have a better workable solution, they'd love to hear it. - Aadain, on 09/03/2009, -0/+5I know why everyone is freaking out: people just don't understand the industry.
My fiance went to college to study animal science so she could work on the production side of this industry, and as she told me this is probably one of the most humane and quick ways to end the life of these chicks.
The "old fashioned way" was to snap their necks by hand. And if you have ever heard the term "running around like a chicken with its head cut off", you should know that that method doesn't kill them instantly. They can still run around for a minute with their heads cut off or necks snapped.
Throwing them into a grinder may seen gruesome on the surface, but it ends their lives in a second instead of making them suffer for up to a minute. - bluddystool, on 09/03/2009, -0/+5They probably do. It's probably used in cat food.
- doctorgrim, on 09/03/2009, -3/+8Meat eaters ***** better.
- ricker2005, on 09/03/2009, -0/+5You aren't a vegan if you eat fish.
- fatlucy101, on 09/03/2009, -1/+6People can't get enough of baby animals being ground up.
- rob132, on 09/03/2009, -0/+4I thought they gave them little suits and hats while they danced a musical number!
- kevin11atvt, on 09/03/2009, -7/+11god ok we get it, we treat food animals horribly, do we really need an article about it every god damn day?
- wargod18, on 09/03/2009, -1/+5Acctually we need meat as it has something called protein. Sure you can take a pill or protein supplement but in the days before those they had one place they could easily get protein. You guessed it meat. Besides if i need protein I'm going to enjoy my consumption of it.
/I'm getting a burger. - RainNIU, on 09/03/2009, -0/+4I was with the video until they basically used it as propaganda for vegan diets. I'm cool with vegans, but I want them to preach elsewhere. What pisses me off the most about it, is that many vegans' holier-than-thou attitudes prompts them to make videos like this. It's not so much about caring for the animals, as it is a sick and perverse justification for their own choices. People are free to choose whatever diet they want, but we all need to realize that others will not respond to the same stimuli (e.g. - male chicks getting ground up), and those differences do not make us bad people, only different people.
If you want to report on animal cruelty, I'm with you as long as you don't use it to promote something. - 4AntiStupid, on 09/03/2009, -2/+6Uh...what do you think happens to them before they get to the shrink wrapped package in the store?
- moxley, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3This seems cruel and kind of grisly on the surface, but this is meat production, and most of us eat meat....It probably is a quick, fairly painless death.
Unless they are going to be spared and not used for meat, then what is the alternative? A different kind of death that may take a few seconds longer?
Out of curiosity though, I wonder if people would feel differently if they were cows being marched into a giant grinder, mooing as they went along with ground beef coming out of the other side.
It's such a strange thing, people want to eat the meat - but it really seems to offend many people's sense of decency to see how it is produced - I don't exclude myself from that either, seeing chicks ground up alive is quite disturbing. - ricker2005, on 09/03/2009, -2/+5I really doubt that the farmers that used to kill the male chicks by hand really gave a second thought either. The male chicks are useless to the farmers because they don't meet the goals of domestication (ie food, clothing, etc). They have to be killed somehow.
- Legendcad, on 09/03/2009, -1/+4it was luck, nothing has a soul. and the only reason you think men have to sack up is because you've been taught that way by culture.
- covertbadger, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3Everybody ignore JessicaWinters, she's mental (view her posting history for incontrovertible proof).
- bubbameister33, on 09/03/2009, -4/+7Gandhi was also a racist.
- manicleek, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3Some plants eat meat, what do you tell them?
- jaimequin, on 09/03/2009, -1/+4The message at the end about becoming Vegan is ridicules. Find another alternative to the cruelty, don't turn us into sickly hippies to save some chicks.
- tekproxy, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3The connection between well treated animals and well treated people is ambiguous at best. Can anyone provide some statistics showing somewhere like India, where animals are not killed is on the whole is a more moral place than, say, Sweeden or Norway or America?
- evanft, on 09/03/2009, -0/+3Argumentum ad verecundiam. It's a logical fallacy.
- diggopolous, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2The solution to this is to eat more eggs.
- wargod18, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2I'm not even going to mention the whole Tuna thing the people above me did a great job. But just because i eat meat i should look at myself in the mirror and be ashamed really?? if chickens were higher on the food chain then us I'm pretty sure they would be eating us. Look if your a so called "vegan" fine I'm not gonna argue that your choice but don't you ***** dare assume your right and everyone else is wrong.
- firebirdx01, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2The animal kingdom is not cute or humane and to me it just doesn't make sense to equate the two and give animals "humane" treatment. I work in a lab with mice and they eat their own young sometimes. If you snip their tails off to genomic type them, they will eat their own tails. Do they act anything like a human-? No...so why should they be treated like so?
Out in the wild, animals get killed in all kinds of gruesome ways. Predators like the leopard will dive and maim their target, and at times drag the still living prey back to their den still alive to feed their young. Now, I think the sheer quantity that machines may be kind of cold and seem "inhumane" but compared to some of the stuff that happens out in the wild, I do think this is about as humane as it gets unfortunately. - CrimsonFlash, on 09/03/2009, -2/+4I thought they used them for chicken nuggets.
- LinuxCobra, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3I am sure you could find buyers for the male chicks. They are "chickens" after all and we can still eat them. I remember on the Discovery Channel when Mike Rowe went to that hatchery they didn't kill any chickens and sold them all.
- SlowpokeJones, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2Uncastrated male chickens grow up to become roosters. Roosters are aggressive and will attempt to kill perceived rivals. Those that survive are tough, stringy and not very good for eating. Chickens, and especially roosters are quite vicious and attempt to peck each other in order to establish a "pecking order" (hence the origin of that term). The fights can result in a lot of badly injured birds and a lot of dead ones.
Castrated males are called capons, and are quite docile and lose the aggressiveness. The cost of the castration generally means that keeping males around is not worthwhile. Check out the wikipedia article on Capons and Pecking Order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecking_order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capons
So no we don't generally eat male chickens. By the way, I'm not a farmer. Any farmers can pipe up and correct any info I've provided.
Oh ya, the macerator (the huge grinder) is the American Veterinarians Association approved method for euthanization. In the past, they used to SMOTHER the chicks in a bag! - slothlikescake, on 09/03/2009, -12/+14It's a quick death.
- halleyscomet, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3I think the real issue here is we aren't using these ***** for food. The cost / benefit ratio of raising them for meat isn't good enough to justify the expense. We've solved the comparable issue in the dairy industry by creating a market for veal. Veal is a wimpy, rather flavorless meat, but by attaching a gourmet, prestige image to it, farmers have something to do with all the calves that are born to get cows to produce milk.
We need a comparable market for ***** raised to their peak meat condition and I may have a partial solution. I first read about this in a homebrewing book:
***** Ale
http://brewery.org/cm3/recs/13_23.html
What ***** Ale looks like in a clear stein
http://www.kaiserpenguin.com/ye-olde-*****-ale/
Step by step directions for making ***** Ale, complete with pictures
http://www.muntean.com/beer/
Think of it an an avian Bovril with an alcohol kick. - hagiaso, on 09/03/2009, -6/+8PETA should save all their BS protesting for real stuff like this, people might actually pay attention to them.
- Legendcad, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2how is letting go of impulses being brainwashed? it allows the educated to transcend the caveman ideas. Human advancement has given men and women the opportunity to truly think.
- FruitFocker, on 09/03/2009, -1/+3What about people who criticize with no ideas of their own?
- Aadain, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2It is not just a financial reason. Contrary to what PETA likes to say, most people in animal production industries don't like torturing animals. Using the grinder is faster, more humane, and more financially efficient than other methods. Why is this a bad thing?
I've heard of companies over in China where they just throw all the unwanted chicks into a pit and let them starve to death. That's a hell of a lot cheaper than a grinder, which requires power to operate and insurance issues for the workers. But while its cheaper, its also inhumane compared to the grinder. Hence why in the US a grinder is used instead of a big hole in the ground. - Legendcad, on 09/03/2009, -0/+2besides the TUNA thing; humans are built to be omnivores, if there wasn't sick stuff like this happening, people would be out there killing things by themself. It's what we are.
- clbw, on 09/03/2009, -1/+2proof please
- clbw, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1They turn it into chicken feed.
- Legendcad, on 09/03/2009, -0/+1thats what i said we are smarter. but thats all we have over the rest of the animal kingdom
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