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- fezzasus, on 06/17/2008, -7/+60"Can the Enemy Build a Super-Soldier?" No, but I bet america will tell you they are, and use it to justify building their own.
- anarchytv, on 06/17/2008, -33/+73Uh, last I checked, its the U.S. troops that are the bad guys. And the bad guys are working on automated killing machines that obey orders without question, can be manufacturered through mass production on an assembly line, and can be sent en masse on psycho aggressive suicide missions without fear or consequences.
Fear.
The question is, when the world goes to hell, are there going to be enough rebels, freedom fighters, and anarchists left to fight back.... - reisrocks, on 06/17/2008, -1/+33Hypothetical, pseudo-scientific hogwash.
- palehorse864, on 06/17/2008, -2/+20Gentlemen, we can not alllooooowwww, a super soldier gap!
- Risingashes, on 06/17/2008, -0/+16Is the requirement for at least 5 hours sleep per day really the only thing holding the 'evil secret masses' from taking down the mighty US of A?
What happens when the terrorists discover coffee! - LouisSlippers, on 06/17/2008, -1/+16Reading that was such a waste of my time. What a load of *****.
- 1ncu3us, on 06/17/2008, -0/+15Is this article supposed to make me approve and support the idea of creating our own super-soldiers? I think so
- freedomwv, on 06/17/2008, -1/+16It is the US military who is more likely to create such things than any other nation in the world.
- Narishma, on 06/17/2008, -0/+15I think someone has been playing too much MGS4.
- bitterbug, on 06/17/2008, -1/+15Robots cost money.
As long as it's cheaper for a man to die, the people handling the money will keep using them. - wh3873, on 06/17/2008, -2/+15As a soldier I can tell you that the US soldier is not the bad guy. Not every soldier is a good person and neither are they all bad. It is a diverse group that makes up the US Army and my guess would be you lack interaction with that group. We serve they civilian ran government of this country, as we are ordered, that's our job.
Your counterpoint may be that soldiers should refuse to fight or just leave the Army, this is a point often brought up in these conversations. The reason it is inappropriate for soldiers to just leave or refuse orders (and this is especially true for high ranking officers) is that our military must remain subordinate to the civilian leadership. Once armies start deciding that they need not answer to the civilian leadership you get insurrection and a military dictatorship.
If the country is not doing the right thing it is no fault of the military. The military is a tool, neither good nor evil, as it always has been and always should be. The fault you may find is in the elected leadership and they are the will of the people.
If you think change is need there are always nonviolent solutions in our country. It is not easy and it may not be pretty, but true and lasting change is worth the work. As Mohandis Ghandi once said "you must be the change you wish to see in the world" so maybe you can start there. If you continue to advocate violence that is what you will receive.
I still feel that war may solve problems but within our country it is not needed. - geekchic, on 06/17/2008, -2/+14I guess it all depends on how you define "the enemy" - to a lot of people, the USA is a potential enemy and hence they might engage in an arms race to ensure their army is capable of taking on the USA military machine.
I am not sure that would benefit anyone - and least of all the poor guinea pigs who are suckered into beliveing nationalist retoric and submit to such (probably irreversable) surgical and mental processes.
In the long term, it is extremely rare for military power to win a political or religious argument anyway and simply delays the innevitable diplomatic solutions. Much better to spend the vast military budget on soft-power and win the "war" through discussion and debate. Yes, there will always be a few militants on all sides of a debate, but the trick is to not then set up a situation where the masses also become militants thanks to oppression and military occupation. - avnerlevit, on 06/17/2008, -2/+12Pretty much every major country has a 'future-soldier' akin program:
USA- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Warrior
Australia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_125
France- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lin
India- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FINSAS
UK- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Integrated_Sol ...
my own country: ISRAEL- ANOG
and then the Russians with- "Project Wolf"
and the list goes on... - ICSU, on 06/17/2008, -0/+9Exactly, this is just scaremongering.
"In 2003, the United States spent about 47% of the world's total military spending of US$910.6 billion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_th ... - 1ncu3us, on 06/17/2008, -1/+9Wahoo! GO War-machine! They're not people anymore, they're guiniea pigs! They're not our brothers, they're implant ridden killing machines! ... DISGUSTING!
- aphonik, on 06/17/2008, -1/+8Imagine US soldiers able to fight without sleep. Or US soldiers with hardware implanted in their brains that makes them better able to target enemy than enemy troops are able to target them. How about future allies able to outfox Al-Qaeda thanks to the "pharmaceutical intervention" that has improved their "brain plasticity"?
- inactive, on 06/17/2008, -0/+7Who might today's "enemy" be? I lost track 4 r 5 enemies ago...
America's #1 enemy = stupidity - lacreme, on 06/17/2008, -0/+7Yeah, but they looked like they were just cheap knock-offs.
/crysis - cuevas4711, on 06/17/2008, -0/+7Jason Bourne is coming after YOU!
- racco, on 06/17/2008, -0/+6the enemy!?!?!
everyone is someones enemy!!! especially in the U.S.A - Maynza, on 06/17/2008, -1/+9The troops are not the bad guys, they serve their country. The people who send them into unnecessary wars are the bad guys. I can't believe you have positive diggs.
- gehenna, on 06/17/2008, -4/+10If the enemy is America, which it is, then yes - I believe it can
- tk0680, on 06/17/2008, -5/+10Sorry, what's stopping any one of those troops from saying "no" to something they don't believe in? Yes they'll do some time, but if that stops them from sticking to their principles, then I've not got much sympathy.
I wish America would drop the retarded "serve your country" rhetoric. The troops signed up for a job that is essentially killing people your boss doesn't like. A silly number of people have tried to explain their actions with "I was just following orders" (remember Nazi Germany?) - just because these troops are American, it doesn't stop them thinking for themselves, just like the Nazi soldiers weren't stopped from thinking for themselves.
If you fire a gun, you fired a gun. Not George W. Bush (not that I'm defending the moron). - tk0680, on 06/17/2008, -2/+7No, I am not implying that US marines = Nazist troops. The fact that you're leaping to that conclusion speaks volumes in itself. Equally, I'm not sure where you get "babykiller" from. In fact, if you read what I said instead of leaping to your own defence, you'll notice that I didn't criticise the troops in general at all; I simply say that doing what you yourself believe is wrong because some guy waving a flag told you to do it is just as wrong as doing it under your own motivation.
I referenced Nazi Germany because of the widespread use of "I was following orders" as a defence by those soldiers, as if it somehow took away their responsibility for what they did. It didn't then and it doesn't now. Every soldier - of any nationality - who kills another person is a killer; a murderer in the true sense of the word (i.e. deliberate killing). That applies to Americans just as much as Iraqi insurgents.
You say you believe in what you're doing. I don't agree with that belief, but I applaud you for fighting a fight you believe in. Much like those same insurgents believe in the fight they're fighting. I think you're both wrong, but that won't stop you blowing each other up - THAT is the shame. - Anpheus, on 06/17/2008, -1/+6Good, a robot isn't going to fear for its own life and commit all too understandable, yet no less reprehensible crimes in the heat of a desert faced with an uncertain threat and an enemy that hides among civilians.
If our soldiers don't have anything to fear, if we replace them with machines that can be replaced and are known by model numbers and not names, we will have achieved something profound. We will no longer have to put so many lives at risk.
A machine doesn't go to war with a child, a spouse, it can't be intimidated or provoked. You can't cause it to lash out because its buddy died, you can't scare it into attacking civilians by hiding among them. A robot can wait, patiently. It's ok if that means it gets hit first, if it doesn't have the first move, because we lose nothing. A hunk of metal. C'est la vie. We can replace metal more easily than flesh and bone, hearts and minds. - geekchic, on 06/17/2008, -0/+5"What happens when the terrorists discover coffee!"
Starbucks decared a national asset and protected by armed guards? - zephyear, on 06/17/2008, -0/+5sure they can
the US will have their super soldiers 10 years earlier though - tonyDigger, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4We still have Ironman!!
- akeldama, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4Obviously you haven't thought about how much it actually costs to keep the human war machine started and rolling. Training, housing, equipping, feeding and supporting human soldiers is not cheap and never will be. Robots are the future.
- dezman2003, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4We poison their coffee with lead.
- RNEMESiS42, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4Metal...Gear? Genome Soldiers!
"!" - chapter78, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4On a fairly similar topic, read "Old Man's War" by John Scalzi. It deals with 'super' soldiers that have been modified/created for the purpose of being more efficient fighters through the use of genetic modifcation and brain implants. Good read if you are into sci-fi.
http://www.amazon.com/Old-Mans-War-John-Scalzi/dp/ ... - EmperorAwesome, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4You'll be kicking yourself when Red Skull conquers the world.
- craighoxton, on 06/17/2008, -0/+4"DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?"
- lattethunder, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3HEEE, HEEE! Well played, palehorse. If we can get Slim Pickins to go bareback on an air to surface nuke, F supersoldiers.
P.O.E. ... did you know the Commies are trying to fluorodate our water?
For love of god, everyone please watch "Strangelove." - bensone1, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3*shuts off metal gear solid 4*
- luckyguy2000, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3"Imagine bad guys able to fight without sleep."
omg, i cant believe how often the "star wars"-black-and-white-scheme is used in the real world. who defines who are the bad guys? there is no such thing in reality - there can be an individual person who behave very bad, but theres no "we're good and those are evil". and for the record if you measure it by those fantasy movie standards the us military behaved very much like the "bad guys" in the recent past. napalm, invading for money, nuclear weapons, carpet bombing. sounds like darth vader with his deathstar gadget.
fortunately many many ppl dont think of the world as so simple. thank god they still exist - ive heard there are even many of them in the usa. - Saiyanz, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3lulz that's what i thought when i read the description
- akeldama, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3Exactly what Utopia to you hail from GunOfSod?
- PromaneX, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3"Or American soldiers rendered flat-footed and lethargic because a crafty nemesis has been slipping lead into their food. " erm.. if they are slipping lead into your food would they not be better just slipping something more deadly in there instead?
- Mohdoo, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3I thought Japan already made Gundam...
- ZenMojo, on 06/17/2008, -0/+3Once we develop a supersoldier serum, we must protect our bodily fluids!
- Steeple, on 06/17/2008, -1/+4when you sign up to be a soldier you give your trigger finger to a chain of command beset by politics and human greed.
yes it's brave, but is it smart? - nick111, on 06/17/2008, -0/+2I think another country is in the process of demonstrating that 50% of the world's miliary budget hasn't been a particularly good use of money.
You don't need super-soldiers, you need super-diplomats... and you'd only need about 5 of them, and then you could have free healthcare, education and whatever else you could think of forever. - Steeple, on 06/17/2008, -1/+3no sir i disagree, the military is made from men. the mindset that downgrades them to unaccountable tools without personal responsibility is the same mindset that refuses to give them the care that they need when they return home. we're all people and we're all accountable.
- terajoule, on 06/17/2008, -1/+3"The [insert name here] are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face... you'll know what to do."
- Darksoul, on 06/17/2008, -0/+2Is it sad that because of just beating mgs 4 that when I read this article I thought he was talking about mgs4 and dam I thought I played to much......
- BeefBaron, on 06/17/2008, -0/+2That wont mean squat when the power to blast a building full of innocents to bits remains in the (gleeful) hands of man.
- bitterbug, on 06/17/2008, -0/+2Actually, I have thought about it. That's why I said "as long as it's cheaper".
Robots will neither be cheap, practical nor common on the battlefield for years to come. Though that time will come *eventually*.
In the meantime you can take a kid, pay him ***** money, put him through basic in 5 weeks, and then stick him off in some place where he can step on a mine or get blown up by an IED. Still cheaper than a robot. -
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