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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Islam is the only religion with a legal, moral, and spiritual philosophy of Jihad -- war on the infidels. All 8 major schools of Islam accept and teach the demands of Jihad. These demands are so widespread that everyone is enjoined to help out Jihad -- older women, for example, can join by offering warriors shelter and food. The Prophet Muhammud himself -- known as The Perfect Man -- waged war on infidels and enjoined his followers to do so as a religious duty. So the mere assertion that the religion is peaceful is deceptive. Please provide evidence.
A hepful overview is at http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php which claims that "“Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated” and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail." - astatine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Woah, take a step back.
It's a religion, and in this supposedly enlightened age, people are still eager to kill over the details of that sort of inanity. That's the root problem, not Islam specifically. - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12The answer is simply no. Islam is the catalyst and Muslims are the antagonists. These repeated claims that "Islam is a religion of peace" cannot be backed up - every shred of evidence indicates that many of its followers either want total segregation (either by removing 'infidels' or by forcing western nations to adopt their law structures) or total domination.
I know that in British media "Muslim" is used to describe the 'good guys' and "Islamist" to describe the bad, but what is the difference? How can the man in the street tell one from the other until the bomb goes off. This is a real and unfortunate situation, and a lot of innocent people are caught up in it. Pretending that the problem is just that Muslims are just 'misunderstood' is not the answer. Misunderstanding should not lead to wholesale murder of innocents.
Flame on. - JoeyDeacon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4All religion is nothnng more than fairy tales and until the human race wakes up and starts to think clearly as individuals and not as brainwashed sheep then the killing will never end.
- DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13No. Next...
- bondo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4from jihadwatch
"In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. “Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated” and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail. This Jihad to spread Islam has lasted 1350 years. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed because of lack of effective instruments or power. Not every Muslim heart beats with passion for this idea, but around the world, a great many do. Furthermore, Infidels can never know when a Muslim who seemed so Westernized, so removed from such matters, may undergo a transformation, into a much more menacing True Believer." - mb75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Barbara J. Stock is a registered nurse who enjoys writing about politics and current events"
I think she should stick to nursing. - tmahmood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This author knows nothing about Islam.
You can't blame the religion because some people doing the wrong thing. Islam don't support Suicides. It says respect other religions. There are always some people tries to use religion for their own purpose. There are people like this in every religion. You can't blame Islam for that! Most of the Muslim people are very nice and friendly and Islam is a peace full religion. - Lutz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What defines a religion other than it's followers?
- aleander, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Some 'interpretations' of Islam (sadly quite popular) promote violence. Religions are causing problems, but not necessarily of this type.
- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5yep, an excellent example of someone who has not lived in a muslim country and has no clue what she's talking about.
I love how these people like to pigeonholee all types of muslims (yeah there are more than a billion. more than 3 times the population of the US) into one type of person that they feel comfortable thinking about.
I'm not into bumper stickers but I saw one the other day that made me smile:
Don't Believe Everything you Think.
(and certainly don't take imbecile people's opinions and adopt them as yours) - Rummy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"It strikes me that anyone who watches all the bombings of civilians done by Muslims in the name of Allah and JIhad, and still claims that "there is nothing wrong with Islam" is either deceiving himself or attempting to deceive the infidel."
And what about all the bombings done by non Muslims? Am I to assume that all Irish people are evil and have an agenda of terror because of a minority who resort to terrorist measures? What about Sri Lankans? Or any other number of groups. That sort of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+15In answer to the question: Um, no. There cannot be peace. They HAVE declared war on infidels.
- markho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's usually self-evident that exponents of these types of arguments are unlikely to have much first-hand experience, or they wouldn't believe the crud they spout. Spend a single day in an average muslim city like, just to pick names out of the air, Istanbul, Rabat, Dubai... and the idea that all muslims are fundamentalist murderers with nothing but Jihad on their minds is shown to be absurd. I haven't been to Tehran (yet), but I've talked to people who have, and most of them claim it's the friendliest city they've ever been to. Compare that with the way many people in the USA or UK think of Iranians - people who have experience of a people are almost always more positive about that people than those who have no experience, whether it be muslims, innuit, australians... whoever.
Of course, most rational people would know not to believe this sort of rubbish anyway, but with the way the media portrays "Islam" and stories like this knocking around, even rational people can be fooled into thinking irrational thoughts. With no first hand experience to rely on, people fall back on the only experience they do have - scare stories like this from the media. And as it's often so unbalanced, there's nothing to dissuade them from those views, and they become entrenched.
Muslims are just like Christians, really: they worry about their kids, they like to sit in the sun and have a chat, they in fact are just like non-muslims, on the whole, except they call their god by a different name. Some are religious nuts (like some christians are), most aren't. Some are nice people, some aren't. This whole "them" and "us" thing is promoted so much in the "West", as if there's a fundamental difference between us and the rest of the world. There isn't. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A classic dodge. The Irish do not have a holy book which dictates Holy War upon the non-Irish. Little difference there.
- Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Oh and one more thing. There are two kinds of Terrorism in this world as far as I'm concerned. There is the kind where someone says "Do what I say or I will blow you up" and then there is the kind where someone says "Do what I say or They will blow you up". I don't Digg Terrorist Propaganda.
- Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I found it especially interesting that the writer referred to it as a "religion", in quotes. Because.. I'm guessing, that is because it's not Christianity and thusly not a "real" religion in the eyes of this author. This article sucked. Typical xenophobic fear-mongering *****. No Digg,
- tjlsmith, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12That's about right. This is going to be a while in going away - but it could have been prevented. Ayatollah Khomeini should NEVER have gotten out of Paris alive. I'm amazed Mossad dropped the ball on this one.
- Rummy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6The word Jihad has been widely misused and distorted. A Jihad is not a holy war, but a personal one. It is the struggle to make yourself a better person.
And yes it's a popular belief in Islam that eventually everyone in the world will be a Muslim. In fact it's fairly similar to the Christian view that everyone will repent after the second coming of Christ. One of the major differences between the two religions (other than the absence of a Messiah) is that the Qur'an clearly states that it is not the responsibility of Muslims to force anyone to convert, nor to discriminate against non-Muslims. The book states that it is for God to decide who will and won't be a Muslim (similar to the Christian idea of Scripture).
Islam is a religion of violence in the same way that Christianity is a religion of violence, or Hinduism, etc, etc. People are always going to cite their beliefs as a reason for it, but in the end it's just an excuse. The reason that Islam is so overrepresented now is that the Middle East is a volcano of tensions, which is thanks, in some part, to us in the West who have meddled in that region for over a thousand years.
I have said it before and I will keep saying it, religion is an excuse, not a reason. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7It strikes me that anyone who watches all the bombings of civilians done by Muslims in the name of Allah and JIhad, and still claims that "there is nothing wrong with Islam" is either deceiving himself or attempting to deceive the infidel.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This article has now been removed from the World News Front Page. Seems like issue was a little too touchy.
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"we don't mind dying while keeping our faith."
I don't mind you dying for your faith, either. Just stop killing others while doing it. - Cameljock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You are all retarded. Also, my relatives are Muslim, they hate America, yet they live in it. They hate Jews, yet they will drink with them, they love extremism, yet they pray for Osama's death. They sound like Scientologists... Everyones a hypocrit.
- acidzebra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Barbara J. Stock is a registered nurse who enjoys writing about politics and current events. She has a website at http://www.republicanandproud.com/. Barbara J. receives e-mail at dickens502003@yahoo.com.
Looked at her site for five minutes and now I pray a suicide bomber kills me. It is better than her alternative. - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's funny how people who accuse others of having no contact or connection with a topic claim that without any evidence what-so-ever.
- Rummy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Funny how the people who critisize places / peoples / religions are those who have had the least contact with them"
In the UK at least I would say that is one of the biggest problems. People are already severely segregated which leads to misundertsanding and distrust of each other. This is a problem on all sides. All the places where we had race riots recently all had very isolated populations of minorities. - Lacnunga, on 02/22/2009, -0/+1There may be moderate Muslims but there is NO MODERATE ISLAM. We all need to grasp this nettle.The British people hold democracy dear to their hearts, but British democracy and Islam are unhappy bed-fellows.
http://tinyurl.com/ctpc9l
The film "FITNA" must be seen.It shows quotes from the Holy Q'ran, and links those to images/videos that show their enactment. The Dutch politician who produced it, Geert Wilders, never speaks. The film asks that the most hate-filled verses be removed from the Q'ran.
Many people in Britain/USA do not realise that Islam is a complete "system" that IS the governmental system;the way you eat,the way you pray,the way you handle money,the way you treat women, animals, infidels and homosexuals.It governs the way you go to the toilet, and when/how to have sex. Muslims view Mohammed as "The Perfect Man".The Q'ran IS the Word of Allah.Islam is to the Western way of life as chalk is to cheese. I eventually found the movie here:
FITNA: http://tinyurl.com/bhsjd4 - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4People are causing problems, using religion as a crutch. It doesn't matter one jot the "intentions" of Islam or the "ideals" of the faith - the fact is that it is used by people, with free will and malice, to achieve their own agenda.
The religion is irrelevant - the people are the danger. - markho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6This is the sort of article that inflames tensions around the world. There's nothing wrong with Islam which isn't also wrong with Christianity and Judaism; and last time I checked, most Islamic countries were on pretty friendly terms with the West, and the most worrying country isn't Islamic (N.Korea).
- hautlipz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You will know a tree by its fruits.
- pidge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They can't have peace amongst themselves....how can there be peace with us?
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4In the last 2,000 years, Christians and Jews have never been at peace with Islam. Seeing as how only 2 of the 3 have actually evolved to where religious wars are no longer waged, I'm going to pull out my Jump-to-Conclusions mat and guess no for the time being.
- jaikar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It teases you so much that am unarmed? Or are you trying to twist what I stated? :)
BTW, shouuld I thank you too for arming Saddam and loaning him biollions and supporting him in intelligence and logistics? :) - Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"And what about all the bombings done by non Muslims? Am I to assume that all Irish people are evil and have an agenda of terror because of a minority who resort to terrorist measures? What about Sri Lankans?"
You are delusional if you cannot see the difference. You're talking about secessionist groups that stay within their borders. We're talking about Islam, which will travel to a convenient location near you to kill you and your family because of your infidel ways.
Welcome to the real world. - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Mark very well said, I appreciated and enjoyed reading your comments.
- Teratogen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think that the problem is organized religions in general. Organized religions in turn always seem to produce fundamentalists and fundamentalist sects, and these are the guys that cause all the problems.
- jmiller08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I rest my case.
BTW You're welcome for America saving your little country, Jaikar from Kuwait. - CoaxVex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4This article is just racist.
Just because Muslims in one particular place are killing each other, what has more to do with their aggressive culture than with their religion, does not mean that Islam equals violence.
Republican and proud, I bet.
Clearly written by someone who only knows about Muslim's from TV and the Internet. - Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wow, what an amazing comeback that I haven't heard before! We're talking about present day here, not 500 years ago. Christianity and Judaism have evolved to the point where they no longer wage wars in the name of religion. Your argument is like condemning modern day Germans for both world wars or modern day Romans for throwing Christians to the lions. Pull your head out of the sand!
- Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Except that violent culture has come about in the name of religion.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ji·had also je·had ( P ) Pronunciation Key (j-häd)
n.
A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jihad
There is exactly what the terrorists mean by jihad, and I cannot recall ever hearing of a christian telling their child to strap on explosives so they could go kill off members of a different religion. Maybe that is practiced by liberals somewhere, but it is not where I live. - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"It's usually self-evident that exponents of these types of arguments are unlikely to have much first-hand experience, or they wouldn't believe the crud they spout."
Yeah, living in a country where people will do ANYTHING to avoid upsetting the Muslims community, to the point of massive expenditure and policy reform, where anybody else would be told to live with it, isn't "first hand". Living in a city where the muslim populace segregate areas and call for Shiite law to be imposed isn't first hand experience.
In my original post I never said that all muslims are radical extremists. You deliberately exaggerated that to make my point look ridiculous, which is a standard tactic when you argument holds no water. However, considering that Britain has a small Muslim populace, and the Muslim council of Great Britain (bless 'em) most definitely ARE campaigning for segregation and separate law so that they are literally a law unto themselves, the tension is much closer to home.
Consider the 7th of July bombings last year. Every one of the perpetrators were said to be acting "out of character" and that it was "unexpected". We have lunatics like Abu Hamza who are deliberately stirring up religious and racial hatred, and the young Muslims who feel slighted not because they are, but purely through groupthink, are falling for it. There is unrest and there are problems because of *perceived* intolerance.
Is having a logo that, if you turn it a certain way and squint a bit, looks a little bit like it says Allah, intolerance and worthy of hatred? The Muslim council of Great Britain thinks so, and like good little infidels, Burger King rolled over and caved in, spending thousands changing this just because one tiny, tiny minority shouted about it. When such a small portion of the population has the political power that the muslims seem to have gained, to the point that our politicians are afraid of upsetting them AT ALL, it is very worrying to the British public at large. They see the government giving in to such ludicrously picky requests and they think "why?" Then, they look around, and somebody has let a bomb off, or somebody has been beaten to death and the connection is made: upset the Muslims, and there'll be hell to pay.
So as somebody who obviously doesn't live in a place where this stuff is real, I shut just have no opinion? Should I deny what I see going on around me? Deny that my countrymen are afraid of something they cannot understand because they only see two aspects - political unrest and violence - and nothing is being done to redress the balance?
As I said, I never said that all Muslims are violent, or that they are all intolerant. I'm sure the vast majority are perfectly fine and honest people. But we're not talking about the majority, are we? - geknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When the terrorists are no longer Islamic then I will believe that Islam is a religion of peace!
- inactive, on 12/26/2008, -0/+0http://digg.com/space/How_Science_Destroyed_Islam
- KCtheKat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like to say:
"It's not that all Muslims are terrorist, but it's all terrorist are Muslim." - CoaxVex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I remember some stuff from my history books about people with a certain religion that in the name of that religion burned people alive, went on crusades to loot, pillage and murder, and did some other quite nasty stuff... Does that make it so that one can't be at peace with Catholics or Christians?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1If it was "organized religion in general" we'd see an equivalent amount of Episcopalians, Methodists, Mormons, and Buddhists blow themselves up. But we don't. We see an awful amount of Muslims doing horrible things to infidels and other Muslims for the sake of Allah and Jihad. Thus, the problem is something in Islam, not in "organized religion in general"
- cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1If the last line of my comment sounds antagonistic, I apologise. It wasn't intended to sound that way - more a world-weary premonition of what will happen to any comment on a topic such as this.
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