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- ChillEnt, on 10/11/2007, -29/+229Only President Bush tired as war criminal? How about everyone in Congress who voted for this war?
- DaveDaveson, on 10/11/2007, -36/+182And those who voted for a second term for Bush.
- ziffel, on 10/11/2007, -23/+165"Why does anything with Bush get digged up so much? Ridiculous."
Because we want him gone. He is a disgrace to the United States, an embarrassment, and a criminal on several levels. He's being allowed to run the nation despite all this. If we digg stuff like this, it's just our small effort to make our voice heard.
The man should be terminated.
Uh, I mean... from office, of course. - NICU, on 10/11/2007, -18/+148I was thinking the exact same thing. Not just the members of congress, the people who fed them and the public bad information on purpose to start this war should also be punished - and before they get the chance to do the same thing to Iran.
- OUberLord, on 10/11/2007, -9/+112"Btw, any of you Che Guevara t-shirt sporting, Rage Against the Machine diggtards want to start some sort of uprising against the mythical "neocons"...by all means, bring it. Just remember who has all the guns."
The minority of the citizenship that would rather shoot their own fellow citizens then realize how warped their reality is?
Let's see, a veiled threat to shoot those who have a differing opinion, used as a means to show authority and control through the fear of physical violence.
Congratulations, you're a textbook terrorist, but more importantly an idiot. - Zippo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+62Let's not forget Cheney... He's the one pulling the strings most of the time. The whole administration needs to be investigated and tried.
- cr125er, on 10/11/2007, -11/+62"We have to at least attempt to stabilize the country some."
We did make an attempt, by sending even more people to die in that ***** hole. That troop surge really did help, huh?
Oh wait, IT ***** DIDN'T DO *****. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -19/+64damn right.
"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm - Seefate, on 10/11/2007, -3/+43Bush has had 4+ years to stabilize Iraq and not only is not getting better, it is actually getting worse. If I did my job as poorly as him not only would I be out of a job I would probably be in prison.
Just because their our "leaders" doesn't make them unaccountable for their short comings and failures. You lied and screwed up, now shut up and take your medicine like every other american would have to. - sremick, on 10/11/2007, -6/+41"Not sure where you are from ziffel, but in the USA we have elections."
Yep, and available at a great price. For a few million you too can own your very own election. This weekend only we're throwing in a free guaranteed war to ensure long-term profits for your business' interests in the military industrial complex. - usrlocalbin, on 10/11/2007, -36/+69Every Neo-conservative is a war criminal.
- MatttK, on 10/11/2007, -6/+37@davedaveson: As insane as that sounds (and it really is insane - but I know you were at least half-joking), it really can't be ignored that the entire rest of the world could clearly see everything that the other half of Americans are only just learning. The only explanation for Bush's second (actually, first.. heh heh heh) victory is a combination of massive ignorance, extensive propaganda, and those 20-whatever% maniacs who are somehow still Bush supporters even now.
- FongoBongo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32I don't need Paul Craig Roberts to tell me the US has gone down the *****. Just take a look around: education blows, health care is non existant, kiss any job security good bye, and we are the nation with the most debt in the entire world. It's all a blame game now, nobody wants to do anything about it....
- wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27Be careful what you ask for, oddcarom. This is the USA, and your glorious leader is not the law. Some of us who have sworn an oath to uphold the law are willing to defend it with their lives. Don't "misunderestimate" us.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/11/2007, -5/+31Every "Neo-conservative" is an enemy of The Constitution and our Bill Of Rights. They are openly the enemies of America itself.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26How is a force of less than a million soldiers supposed to stabilize or even pacify a nation of 27 million when they can't even say "hello" in the local language?
- an0nymous, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31Been tried. Failed. Again.
Times up! - Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31 How people use their diggs amaze me sometimes - but heck, power to the people..
"okay, this is some pretty lame anti-bush propaganda. Yeah, it might not have been the best idea to execute the iraq problem this way, ..."
- There was NO PROBLEM!! It was created, it was a lie - it was a con job to you and you bought it. You were lied too and you bought it and as a result of that how many have died in IRaq? There was no Iraq problem, as far as America was concerned.
"..however impeaching bush or pulling out now is the dumbest thing anyone could think of doing. We have to at least attempt to stabilize the country some."
- And how wouldn't bring the person responsible for this travesty to justice, stabilize the region? Heck, it might even say to the world that America is back with the rule of law, which would be nice. We've missed you. - eexlebots, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21I'd digg it, except there were tons and tons of stupid photoshopped images of Bush as a Nazi and lots of other just juvenile propaganda crap buried in the with test. Don't people realize when they have a story like this they instantly devalue it when they add those sorts of images?
- xoon, on 10/11/2007, -9/+28Is there such a thing as a happy medium when disgust is amongst the vast majority of our international population?
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -12/+30"Neo-Cons were worse than Hitler and Stalin because they publicly embrace torture and pre-emptive war, something that past despots at least tried to hide."
In context it reads a bit more reasonably. - wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Pre-emptive warfare is a violation of international law. Torture is a violation of the geneva convention, which has the force of US law, because Congress accepted it as such. This is a meaningful standard by which to judge "war crimes." But, given that White House neocons have described the US Constitution as "quaint," and Gonzales has contested the Constitutional right to a trial by jury in front of a Congressional committee, it's clear that we are dealing with hardened criminals who have no respect for law at all. They are psychopaths, and they need to be stopped before their Iran campaign becomes a defacto scorched-earth policy.
- wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17According to the World Health Organization, half a million Iraqis have died as a result of our phony "liberation" of Iraq. How many million innocent people does Bush have to kill to earn your opprobrium?
- taintedzodiac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Additionally, here's the non-blogspam version of the original essay:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts120.html - knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20keep in mind there was massive voter fraud occurring in florida, in ohio, in other states to varying degrees, and many of the soldiers overseas were not allowed to vote ----
---- if you can call voting on a closed sourced, diebold-style, black box a validly counted vote. according to exit polls, they weren't validly counted votes. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"We should follow Europe's example and go into countries, strip them bare and leave the people starving and destitute, and then bail out. Like they did in the middle-east in the 19th century and Indo-china in the 20th."
How about we do everyone a favor and KEEP OUT of other countries?!? Stop sticking our collective nose where it doesn't belong...and worry about fixing THIS country.
There is a reason our Founding Fathers were non-interventionists. - xoon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14@ moin1097
Do you think it is just America that is in disgust? - spooky47, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17I have a dream: Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld impeached and/or stand trial for War Crimes and Treason; The 99 senators and all members of the House who voted for the Military Commission Act of 2006 impeached and removed from office; The 98 senators and all members of the House who voted for the PATRIOT Act impeached and removed from office. All members of congress who voted for the Iraq War resolution which allowed the president to declare war (congress is constitutionally mandated to declare war with no authority to grant declaration of war powers to the executive) impeached and removed from office. Is that too much to ask?
- JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17It would be nice if we gave them trials huh?
- taintedzodiac, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18I agree with the idea of trying Bush and others for what they've done. but I have to bury this because the site just begs to not be taken seriously. Articles do not require a propaganda image after every paragraph.
- OUberLord, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13"We just need to stop trying to make the world a better place."
Despite how your obvious sarcasm would imply you mean otherwise, yeah, we should. Name one country we have invaded in the last decade that benefit from it.
Let's see, Afghanistan. Kicked the Taliban out only to have it ran by local warlords and insurgents against U.S. occupation.
Of course, Iraq. Destabilized an entire country to find non-existent WMDs, making the place now a better place to harbor terrorists than it ever was under the rule of Saddam. Sure Saddam wasn't a good human being on any level, but he at least kept the place in check and under his rule the enemy we fought was one organized by their government and leadership, rather than the enemy we fight now that fluidly move in and out of the country. Oh yeah sure, we've secured the borders. Just like we've "secured" the border fence between the US and Mexico where people can play entire volleyball games over it without getting caught for hours, right?
The issue is that the US isn't the World Police. It isn't our job nor our place to be the utmost authority on world affairs. We've became pompous and ignorant as a country, where suddenly most of our citizenship blindly toes whatever line it is "their party" throws at them both directly and through the major news networks that have been spun in so many different directions I'm surprised remotes don't come with a gyroscope. - DatuPuti, on 10/11/2007, -7/+19They should be tried in the same way, crime, and manner as the Nazis.
- DangerCollie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Who says conservatives and liberals can't get along. Neocons are not conservative. They are a plague on our country and a threat to the Constitution. This is exactly why the military pledges to uphold the Constitution and not the Commander in Chief.
It's time for anyone who took that pledge to start thinking about what it really means. - SilkSteel, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19.. except Clinton blowing his load into a secretary's mouth didn't destabilize an entire geographical region and cause the deaths of 100s of thousands...
- knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13so was hitler a hero or war criminal?
i think that answer is clear regardless of who came after - truth has a certain ring to it it. - wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Anyone who is an enemy of The Constitution of the United States of America is an enemy of America. A staffer reported that Bush called the Constitution a "goddamn piece of paper." Gonzales, before a Congressional commitee, tried to argue that Americans have no right to a jury trial under the Constitution. The President has claimed all the powers of a dictator: he can declare ANY AMERICAN outside the protection of the law, hold them without trial - for any length of time - and torture them: no oversight, no accountability. This does violence to the US Constitution that all military and police have sworn a solemn oath to "uphold against all enemies, foreign and domestic." To all of these, I am begging you: HONOR YOUR OATH!!!
I will say it again, this time as a warning: HONOR YOUR OATH!!! If you hold an office, and the oath you took is violated for all to see, you are no longer occupying that office legitimately, and your community has every right to remove you from it, and/or to cease acknowledgement of your claim to it. Understand the terrible consequences of this.
I say it again, as a final gesture, before you betray your Republic, your country, your community and your own soul to the abyss. Time will not wait for you: HONOR. YOUR. OATH. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11I think he should be kicked in the ass too before being tried.
- strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Article Buried due to sensationalism.
@taintedzodiac
You are right. Articles DO NOT need propaganda to get their points across nowadays.
Just report the truth and then people will see how ***** up everything has been handled in this "war on terror"
I mean seriously...Watch some of the clips from the Daily show that have been dugg in the past week.
John Stewart and Stephen Colbert do not even have to really TRY to be funny anymore. The truth is so ridiculous that it's funny...and embarrassing at the same time...all by playing videos catching our leaders lying their asses of... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11YES!!!! Everybody read that again. NEO-CONS are NOT REPUBLICANS!!! Please don't bury him because I think a lot of people don't get the difference. Take off the blinders. Neo-Cons are taking over the country by infecting the Republican Party like a virus.
- GoneSouth, on 10/11/2007, -10/+19I fully agree that this administration is at least incompetent, a little fascist, and maybe even criminal. However, the hyperbolic rhetoric ( "Dr. Roberts also correctly states that BushCheney are more evil than HitlerStalin" ) in this article doesn't help the author's credibility. Stalin and Hitler both intentionally killed tens of millions and had their political opponents shot, not just smeared. Bush is barely a dopey schoolyard bully by comparison.
- wakananda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9History will judge the crimes of this age very harshly. Do we not despise the Nazis who did nothing and merely watched? Do we not imagine that if it were US, there when Germany was being perverted into the Third Reich, that WE would have "done something?" Of the neocons, the monied elites, the corporate rapists and theives, it will be said "it was to be expected - they were degenerates, reptiles." But of those "good people" who stood and watched, and DID NOTHING, it will be said "THEY were to blame!"
- Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14 Very true, it does seem that these chants to impeach Bush have been going on forever... However, just a point..
AT first there were a few that claimed that Iraq was unjustified, and we were shouted down because we were peacniks, and leftists, and nuts.
We were also right. But it was ignored.
Then there were the reports of illegal weaponry, and we tried to stop Bush on those grounds - but those people were idiots, Terrorists sympathizers, and clearly anti-American lying about the great men and weomen in service.
We were, however, right again.
Then there was the attempt to impeach him because of the secret prisons, and such. Once again it was because we hated America that we told these lies - but they weren't lies. We were right again, and the populace simply forgot.
The Torturing, the wiretapping, and and and - and still nothing.
Not because you weren't warned. Not because there isn't evidense of proof. Not because they are innocent...
But because you "YAWN" - that is what the death of a free society sounds like. - Chull, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I dislike Bush as much as the next sane person, but that was just hideous.
Buried for being ***** propaganda - LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Today - another lesson in "Why nobody takes the Wing Nuts seriously"
Example: "Roberts went further than he has ever gone before in stating that the Neo-Cons were worse than Hitler and Stalin.."
Yeah. Right. Stalin killed 10's of millions of people, created the iron curtain, and forced millions and millions of people to live under the iron fist of totalitarianism for a generation - Hitler killed 6 million Jews in the worst genocide in the world's history and he also helped cause World War II that killed millions and millions of more people....but Bush and the Neo-Cons are worse.
Idiot.
It is crap like this that almost totally discredits real opposition to the war and criticisms of real problems with the Bush presidency. - Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Because of a difference of opinion? You are willing to strip a man of his freedom, his family, his life and his rights - Because YOU disagree with him?
You have some nerve calling the other people the enemy bub. - m2313, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"But clearly you have a nation that has a history of violating the sovereignty of other nations; who has a history of violating Human Rights; who has a history of violating treaties"
"The aggressor is one who usually initiates the war by violating some treaty, border, or basic fundamental human right"
"That is that the Axis powers were violating human right and international sovereignty through invasions"
Wow those sound alot like what the U.S. government did to Iraq. - hipRealtor, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17We didn't elect him - he was appointed the first time and Diebold arranged it for him the second time.
- tslag, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11"go into countries, strip them bare and leave the people starving and destitute, and then bail out"
--Uh, we (USA) have been doing the same frakin thing for a long time.
"drive a thriving, successful economy into fabulously inane and vapid averageness"
--We (USA) are already working on this ourselves.
Where have you been? - LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11silksteel: " . except Clinton blowing his load into a secretary's mouth didn't destabilize an entire geographical region and cause the deaths of 100s of thousands..."
Bill Clinton was impeached, disbarred, and fined for lying in court - not for having sex with an employee about the age of his daughter during business hours. Nitwit. - Pfhreak, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10"Liberals never want to offer solutions, and when they do (2006 elections) they seem to fall on their face NOT following through. I thought with a majority in the house and senate you could get something done, but nope. Same ole crap."
Liberals have been offering solutions all along, but were called "anti-American" and "terrorist sympathizers" for all our troubles. Although I agree that the Democrats have fallen on their collective faces with regards to what they were elected to do in 2006, they hardly have a majority in the Senate (49 D-49 R-2 I, with one "I", Joseph Lieberman, siding with the Republicans when it comes to ending the Iraq occupation). On top of that, you need to get a 3/5 majority in the Senate before a bill is even allowed on the floor for general debate, which makes it very easy for the Republicans to filibuster bills they don't like. -
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