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Burma Plans to Wipe Out Christianity
christianpost.com — Was the horrific Burma cyclone a judgment from God Almighty... Maybe!
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- rightwingattila, on 05/10/2008, -2/+7If we as the Church have learned anything from history it is that when persecution comes upon us it only makes us stronger. According to the article the Christian population is about 4%. That number will double or triple within a few years under persecution.
While I pray for our brothers and sisters in Burma, as well as all those who have suffered loss from the cyclone, I also pray for the leaders of this country. Until their hearts are touched and open to the Lord’s healing touch this type of outrage will continue. - Wolfpack46, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7amen
- clarencepaul, on 05/10/2008, -5/+8Indonesia's leader also called the jews pigs and monkeys and shortly afterwards the hugh psunami hit that area of the world and killed over 350,000 of their population, Indonesia is almost 100% muslim with some Christian adherents, Jesus being 100% jew and sitting on the right hand of the father[psalm 110] may have sent them a warning shot, usally people who are not christian will think how cruel we are to believe in the judgement of God, look what God did to the Egyptions with all the plagues and even death and still turned the sea loose on them and their armies, one angel killed over 170,000 Syrians in one night and gave Israel the victory over them, the old testament is replete with numerous stories of judgement on God's people, God will give them something greater to contend with while they are trying to affict his people.
- alkajazz, on 05/12/2008, -0/+3"Based on the 2000 census, the approximately 86.1% were Muslims, 5.7% Protestant, 3% are Catholic, 1.8% Hindu, 3.4% other or unspecified .[2]" Why is God so eager to kill 30,000 of his followers? Collateral damage?
- rjwusa, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6Burma plans to wipe out Christianity? I wonder if they are all registered as American Democrats, members of the National Education Association, and card carrying members of the ACLU? I can't tell them apart from some of our own domestic atheists.
- clarencepaul, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4Randy: I believe this country is mostly Buddist with some muslims, they might as well be atheist for all the good their god's have done them, I know people think christians are mean when we say God's wrath is upon them, but when they threaten God's people, they are threatning God as well, and if he does not see a future for them with him, then his curse is upon them, of course chidren go to be with him. Thet won't grow up to worship a false god.
- rjwusa, on 05/10/2008, -3/+2I was under the impression that Buddhists were pacifists and peaceful. Am I wrong Clarencepaul?
- clarencepaul, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3In our country they have an appearence of being so, like the dalai lama coming over with his hands folded as in prayer, but in countries where they are dominant, they are defiant and aggressive against christians, in India and nepal and other nations like Burma they hate christians, they see them as a threat to win their people from their falsehood. I believe God put his judgement on them for their evil plans .
- rjwusa, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1I was unaware. I'll have to research it more. Apparently our media (As usual) is not showing us the facts.
- clarencepaul, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3In our country they have an appearence of being so, like the dalai lama coming over with his hands folded as in prayer, but in countries where they are dominant, they are defiant and aggressive against christians, in India and nepal and other nations like Burma they hate christians, they see them as a threat to win their people from their falsehood. I believe God put his judgement on them for their evil plans .
- rjwusa, on 05/10/2008, -3/+2I was under the impression that Buddhists were pacifists and peaceful. Am I wrong Clarencepaul?
- clarencepaul, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4Randy: I believe this country is mostly Buddist with some muslims, they might as well be atheist for all the good their god's have done them, I know people think christians are mean when we say God's wrath is upon them, but when they threaten God's people, they are threatning God as well, and if he does not see a future for them with him, then his curse is upon them, of course chidren go to be with him. Thet won't grow up to worship a false god.
- these3remain, on 05/10/2008, -5/+5As Burma plans to eliminate Christianity, we already see how humane atheism is - refusing to allow relief agencies in to help their own people. Once again, an atheistic government will be responsible for the death of millions - just as happened under Stalin, Lenin and Mao - and while it is the Christian relief agencies that are among the first that will respond - they will only be kept out by troops under orders from their atheist government.
I feel tremendous sorrow for those Christians being persecuted in Burma and around the world; but God will use it all for His glory.- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -4/+7Im sorry but if you think they arent allowing aid workers in is because they are atheists then might I suggest you take a proper look at the situation.
And as for the other names you mentioned none did anything "in the name of atheism" they did it for power and a twisted sense of right and wrong.
None of the reasons are related to atheism at all.- these3remain, on 05/10/2008, -5/+5"If you think they arent allowing aid workers in is because they are atheists then might I suggest you take a proper look at the situation."
I suggest you take a proper look at the situation. Christian relief services are not being allowed to provide assistance because the atheistic government in power know that the people most affected in the area need to die in order for them to remain in power.
"they did it for power and a twisted sense of right and wrong. " Which is what results when an individual has no moral absolutes and a disdain for God.
"None of the reasons are related to atheism at all."
They are if the reason the person who committed or ordered the acts , such as trying for war crimes, was to eliminate those who believe in God and criminalize believing - all of which were part of Lenin, Stalin and Mao's agenda.- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4You say that as if only Christian relief services arent being allowed in, all relief services arent.
Also its not the fact its an atheistic government, but a millitary government that is obviousely wanting to retain power through force not any form of democracy. As is most often the case with such goverments they limit outside influence as much as possible.
You also make the mistake of assuming someone needs God (or any higher power) to have morals. This has been proven untrue many many times. Infact countries like Sweeden have not only some of the lowest crime rates but also the highest ammount of atheists.
Also going beyond pure statistics is quite obvious that people dont need a god to have morals and know right and wrong.
And such acts against religion wasnt done because they thought the world would be a shiny happy place without it, but because the people would be easier to rule over. As we see very often when you have big groups of people who hold beliefs against what a government is doing it results in much more action and protests, acts of violence against the government etc.
If you strip people of that its much easier to fight individuals than a group ideal. When the goal is power through force its obviousely a good approach to take.
And going beyond that, many people use religion or a belief in a higher power as a reason to commit such crimes.
For example Hitler (Chosen because with Expelled recently there is a lot floating around about how it was Atheism that caused all that), to justify what he did and to inspire others to rally to the cause he pitched it (I forget the exact words here but you can look for the speech if you so wish) as a divine cleansing. And the fact is many people still today kill in the name of their God.
But the main point here is, there are very very few acts every undertaken in the name of Atheism, they might be commited by atheists but that doesnt make it the cause. (Just as if a Christian commited a crime it wouldnt automatically make it done in the name of God).
If you want to look back over human history it is religion that has caused pretty much all the major conflicts. - zuma777, on 05/12/2008, -1/+6Religion doesn't start war people do
- these3remain, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2Agreed.
- Isileth, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Yes I very much agree as well.
I think its wrong to jump to conclusions and say because country x or man x was Christian it must have been a religious attack.
Just the same as I think its wrong to say because country Y or man Y is Atheist it must have been an atheist attack.
There is always a lot more to it (apart from some pure hate related attacks) and its silly to say that outside of a few cases it is a cause for the action.
As has been proven over many years both religious and non religious countries can live in both peace and war. And outside of a few actions (Which are easy to spot) neither have been the root cause of any of the major problems.
- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4You say that as if only Christian relief services arent being allowed in, all relief services arent.
- these3remain, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5"If you want to look back over human history it is religion that has caused pretty much all the major conflicts." This is another fallacious statement generally made by atheists. The number of "major conflicts" that have been caused by religion can be counted upon one hand - but the number of major conflicts caused by the suppression and/or elimination of religion in order to keep some dictator in power are many, not to mention the number of deaths that have resulted. A cursory glance at Wiki under State atheism is evidence for what I have stated.
It is atheists and those who have attempted to eliminate religion and belief systems who are responsible for more deaths than those committed in the name of all religions combined. Lenin and Stalin alone killed more people through their war crime tribunals, gulags and just plain starving people to death in this century than the number of people who died during the crusades or the Inquisition combined. I agree that simply because a person claims to be an atheist, that it doesn't necessarily speak to motive nor can or should an entire group of people be held responsible for the actions of one. And yes, no one claims "In the Name of Atheism" as they ruthlessly kill their own countrymen or allow them to perish from disease of starvation but when it is the deliberate extermination of religious people because their beliefs "undermine" the government then it is due to the godless actions of those responsible.
As far as Sweden's crime rate is concerned, nothing could be further from the truth. According to Wiki:" The 9,000,000 inhabitants of Sweden reported 1,250,000 offences to the authorities in Sweden (139 offences/1000 inhabitants). The number of reported crimes have increased radically since a national statistics began in 1950. This is partly attributed to a higher degree of reports, but the largest factor is the factual increase of crimes."
"Also going beyond pure statistics is quite obvious that people dont need a god to have morals and know right and wrong." People don't require God to know right and wrong - that part of your statement is true. And that is because God made man able to know right from wrong - but that doesn't prevent man from choosing wrong and when a person consistently chooses to do what is wrong there are consequences both in the physical realm and spiritual realm. God says when man continually chooses to deny Him, that He gives them over to a reprobate mind and their consciences become seared to the point where they don't know right from wrong.
- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2I'm just going to go ahead and list a few of the campaigns of love and peace that religion has brought then.
Albigensian Crusade
Russian anti Jewish Pogroms
Sudanese Civil War
The Crusades
Thirty Years War
The French Religious Wars
More than can be counted on one hand, and there are many more.
You also make the statement that religious suppression or elimination for power is somehow done in the name of atheism. A dictator or military government or anyone forcibly holding power can make their ruling easier if they eliminate opposition towards them. Thats linked to power not atheism. Just because they see religious groups as a threat to their rule does not mean they kill in the name of atheism, rather they are killing to keep themselves in power.
As for the Sweedish statistics in comparison to the rest of Europe they rank #3 for crime rates. They have a slightly higher petty crime rate but a much lower serious crime rate.
Now your final statement....
Im afraid im going to have to go with the fairly blunt comment of prove he exists...
I hate to do it, but you are saying people who deny god and go against him lose their morals. I certainly don't think the bible is a fantastic place to get your morals from. Just because an act is against what is said in the bible does not make it morally wrong. Morals are not derived from the bible, you may choose to follow the bible and god but there are many other routes.
Besides, anyone can become morally corrupt. Even Christians.
Now the normal reply here is oh well they aren't really Christians, the problem is they seem to follow the bible closer to its actual word than the "Nicer" Christians.
There are so many things in the bible im sure you will agree a "moral" person would not follow.
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
Is it morally right to kill someone for blasphemy?
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
So you stone a women for being raped....seems moral to me.
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
We don't want any of that new age sex before marriage around here, its the moral thing to do.
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshiped them ... Then shalt thou ... stone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
Well it wouldn't be moral to allow other religions now would it?
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Got to kill those rebellious kids or we wouldn't live in a moral society.
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
Working on the sabbath! Who is this monster?
Well I think you get the point.
Now either you follow the bible to the word and I do so hope you agree doing some of these things would not be moral.
Or you only follow the bits you like the sound of, the bible beings gods word however picking and choosing surely means you aren't following god.
I say we base our morals on not causing any harm or doing any wrong doing to another.
Dont steal, not because god commands it but because it would negatively effect someone else.
Dont murder, not because it says so in the bible but because it inflicts harm on someone else.
Do feel free to practice any religion as long as it doesn't harm or interfere with anyone else.
Do feel free to work when and where you like, as long as you don't go harming anyone else once again.
I think you get my point.
I'm not saying the average Christian (or any religion) is devoid of morals, just they don't have a monopoly on them. Nor do you require the bible or god to have and/or keep them. - these3remain, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3Again, the number of casualties from the wars you cited (at least one of which , again , was the result of state atheism) do not come close to the amount of lives lost as the result of state atheism and continue to be lost to this day, i.e. North Korea. Look it up on Wiki- or are you afraid to?
As far as all the Old Testament verses that you undoubtedly copied and pasted from some atheist website, you don't understand the Bible or how to do proper exegesis. It's not your fault, it's simply a fact that one cannot understand the Bible other than as literature without the presence of the Holy Spirit. The first rule of understanding the Bible is to have the Holy Spirit living within you; as an atheist, you don't. The primary rule of understanding and applying the Bible, and in fact, reading anything, is that context is king. You cannot simply take verses out of the Bible and rant about following them as Christians. It displays your ignorance. Christians who read and study the Bible realize that much of what was written in the Old Testament does not have universal application , particularly those precepts that deal with Jewish culture and the government of a particular group of people at a particular period in time. Since you don't understand what it means to follow God, the verses that are posted on most atheist websites that attempt to dismiss the Bible are inevitably verses that deal with either the culture of the day or levitical codes initially designed to separate God's chosen people from the pagan tribes around them.
"I say we base our morals on not causing any harm or doing any wrong doing to another."
Which is entirely subjective. What if someone disagrees with the basis for your morality? And what makes your morality any better than someone else's? What is your definition of harm? What if I don't feel as though what I'm doing is harming anyone?
God's commandments were set up as guidelines for the nation of Israel with the bottom line being one of love - Jesus put it very well in the New Testament; that the 10 commandments are all fulfilled by 2 - namely if you love God with all your heart, and mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself, you will not commit any of the "thou shalt not's" as found within the 10 commandments. Out of love for God, one obeys God, and out of love for one another, one will not steal, lie, covet, commit adultery, etc. The 10 commandments were also established by God to show man his moral need, i.e., that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Every person on this planet has broken one or more of the 10 Commandments, i.e., The Law, including yourself. Christians do not have the monopoly on morals; they just realize that they are sinful and imperfect. The only One Who has the "monopoly" on morals is God - He alone is completely holy and without sin. Which is why He alone has the right to determine what is moral, right and just. Not sin-filled man.
- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2I'm just going to go ahead and list a few of the campaigns of love and peace that religion has brought then.
- these3remain, on 05/10/2008, -5/+5"If you think they arent allowing aid workers in is because they are atheists then might I suggest you take a proper look at the situation."
- Isileth, on 05/10/2008, -4/+7Im sorry but if you think they arent allowing aid workers in is because they are atheists then might I suggest you take a proper look at the situation.
- bincoder, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1we should have said 'going once, going twice' then left. It is a human disaster but I guarantee that 99.9999999999999999% of the aid will go to their military dictatorship. Time for the non-dictatorships to stop destroying themselves to prop up and strengthen countries that don't do freedom.
- mortification71, on 05/13/2008, -1/+1Burma and now China. Two Godless dictatorships smacked down in one week (right in the midst of stepping up their persecution of Christian believers: Christian Human rights groups report).
Just like Muslim Indonesia that attacked hundreds of Christian churches on Christmas day only to be washed away the very next day by a Tsunami. Same in Iran... Christian Churches attacked on Christmas day...BAM earthquake the very next day.
Don't mess with God's beloved...
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