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Breaking: N Korea Says It Will Detonate an H-Bomb

times.hankooki.com — A spokesman for Kim Jong-il said N Korea said in a statement to the US that it would test a hydrogen bomb to prove that they are capable.

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  • APod, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42Really smart. What are they trying to prove? (Rhetorical BTW OBV)
    • Kent767, on 10/12/2007, -30/+3http://www.duggmirror.com
    • alanspach, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5What else they want money
    • Hellaphunt, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2That they are nuclear capable, jk (hehe).
    • ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23Good, let them keep testing. Every "test" is one less bomb that they have.

      Of course I'm still not convinced the first test was actually an atomic bomb. It was estimated to be less than a kiloton. I think our first bomb test in the 40s was 10-20 kilotons. Of course it could have just been a small, strategic atomic bomb. If he is going to test an H-bomb, it will have to be a big explosion, or then it's a dud or a fake.
    • knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -12/+61who gives a ***** if they're capable?

      i think it's obvious that if they sent one to the US soil, they'd immmediately be taking the risk of barraged with 100's of nuclear weapons until nothing's left...

      not that congress would approve that strike but 2nd graders shouldn't throw rocks at UFC fighters.
    • gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25it's just a blackmail attempt; Kim Jong-il is an exceptionally crude hillbilly (and that's an insult to hillbillies everywhere) with no sense of style or class, trying to push his way into the upper class.
    • SpoBo, on 10/12/2007, -25/+25North Korea suffers from the "small penis" syndrome. It's quiete tragic. They should just destroy it's economy and wait a couple of months. Then launch an attack that kills everyone that had anything to do with these rediculous plans to do the same thing pinky & the brain do every single night. Oh .. and have that stupid dictator confes on CNn that his penis is way too small and that he is sorry for pissing off the globe. Perhaps we will accept his appologies but his weener still has to go... I'm very sorry.
    • CamZak, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Great...it's listed on Google news...it's not just a fake news article:
      http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=h-bomb

      This madman is threatening to nuke the US...dang...
    • zwei, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I bet the little red button on "the bomb" is powered by glow-stick juice.
    • msipes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I think he is bluffing. New reports out today show that there was no radiation signatures around the area. They can't get a fissin nuke right...what makes them think they can get a fussion nuke right? I think Kim Jon is blowing smoke up our asses.
    • dswinscoe, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22it's called "deterrence" fellas ... what short memories we all have, eh? Or are we just unable to see the arsenal for the nuclear missiles? How about the "Axis of Evil" threat-laced diplomacy coupled with parallel US development of new and improved bunker busting tactical nuclear weapons in violation of the NNPT, and the release of DOD preemptive strike plans? Anything ring a bell?

      It occurs to me, that the Soviet Union used exactly the same PR tactics to help drive its MAD stockpiling of deterrent force. And now, the US, et. al., sanctimoniously, and hypocritically, declares their admonishment of NKs advancement to the nuclear deterrent club, while continuing to bully and draw lines in the sand until NK finally explodes an H-Bomb to prove their newly found power, and the US, et. al., can finally take anti-deterrence, deterrence action, and just "clean that mess up."

      Infantile megalomaniacs with delusions of grandeur are peddling the anti-NK koolaid and it looks like everyone here got there's for breakfast this morning. Dictators here, and dictators there, these are grave games our administration is playing with a country that they seem to have forgotten is not Iran or Iraq. These guys DO have WMDs and they're playing a fatal game the US started 61 years ago that continues to proliferate unabated. Who do you think will blink first?
    • feylanks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7not to bring the tin foil hats into another digg comment tree, but does the world even know if the first "test" was actually a nuclear bomb yet?

      my basic understanding of these kinds of weapons suggest that there is a huge difference between them. the figures suggested for the first "test" is so small, could it have been a coincidental earthquake (i know, "lol"), or just a crap load of conventional explosives? or something wacky like that but otherwise not a nuclear bomb? to go from a first test ever to something of that scope seems like a poor bluff. kind of like a little kid who accidentally hurts someone, then gets all cocky and threatens everyone else afterwards :)

      [/TIN FOIL HAT][DON'T KILL ME I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE ANYTHING MALIGNANT]
    • randysouth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19And after that fails they'll try and test a matter-antimatter bomb.
    • siliconentity, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Seems like people always say this. "That crazy North Korea. They're always bluffing. Haw, haw, haw."

      But... what if they're not bluffing? What if they really intend to do what they say they're going to do?

      That's what happened with the nukes. Everyone said they were bluffing, everyone said they couldn't do it, they wouldn't dare... but they did. They did exactly what they said they would do.

      I don't see any reason why this time will be any different. They say they're going to attack the U.S. and Japan if sanctions go in. I think they'll do it. Otherwise they have to back down and lose face, which I don't think Kim has ever done.

      Frankly I think all this talk over here about how they're just bluffing is merely wishful (and fearful) thinking. We can't imagine a nuclear state actually using nuclear weapons. But Korea hasn't worked so hard to get them just to join a league of bluffers. Let's get this straight. Korea doesn't bluff. The world has changed, and we better get used to it.

    • burtonbe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@knightblade2oo4

      "who gives a ***** if they're capable?"

      Apparently the majority of the world cares. You seem to think NK is responsible enough to possess these types of weapons, I do not share your optimism.

      Once NK is blockaded, and if (here's the most important ingredient) China cuts off support, NK will have its back against the wall. In the eyes of Kim Jong-il and his generals, war will be their last option for survival.

      On the other hand, maybe NK will discontinue its nuke programs, or China will continue supporting them; however, I do not think those scenarios are likely.
    • themocking, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0http://digg.com/politics/Joe_Biden_releases_PlanForIraq_com
    • JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design is an ok source for info."

      Yeah! ask North Korea if you don't believe! :P
    • aelias, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3THEY aren't trying to prove anything. This is some quack who say's he's Kim's personal buddy, and he has the inside track. *****.

      Kim Jong is many things, including crazy, short, and stubborn. But he is not stupid enough to threaten to "blaze New York". That's suicide, and he's not the martyr type.

      I'm nearly convinced the first "Test" was *****, too. If they did have nukes, they wouldn't be announcing it to all the world, they'd be quietly selling them to Iran.
    • Leo21k, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0He's planning to nuke New york? Poor new york is always being picked on.
    • themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3BREAKING: I just detonated an H-bomb in my pants
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36I'm sure it's total *****. I'm not convinced that they were able to test an A-bomb, and I REALLY doubt that they are capable of producing an H-bomb..
    • gvetterick, on 10/12/2007, -33/+3pssst.... an H-bomb and a P-bomb are both A-bombs!
    • ohamoodi, on 10/12/2007, -24/+0Well unfortunately, your speculating, because your not CIA, MI6 ....
    • zediker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26@gvetterick:
      psssst, an H-bomb is plutonium/uranium based (7-11miles of destruction)... an A-Bomb is uranium based (1-3 miles of destruction)... there is no such thing as a P-Bomb...
    • dariram, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4very true. i think n.korea is just using scare tactics to get the u.s. of their backs. but yea. n.korea is still a ways behind in terms of a-bomb let alone h-bombs. ..but we'll see
    • dariram, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1very true. i think n.korea is just using scare tactics to get the u.s. of their backs. but yea. n.korea is still a ways behind in terms of a-bomb let alone h-bombs. ..but we'll see
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9The moron is starving his country and thinks we are going to pay him once again with food and money to act good...
      Meh they said they had detonated an a bomb.. no proof as of yet that has even happened...

      The guy is on the same level as the president of Venezuela
    • ricree, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@zediker

      H Bomb presumably stands for hydrogen based fusion bomb, rather than a fission only device.
    • LanMan66, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0We'll know we're in trouble once they start breaking out the Quadium bombs. ;)
    • dodger2020, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@zediker, you're not quit correct either dude. An a-bomb is a fission bomb and an h-bomb is fusion. Both can use plutonium/uranium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design is an ok source for info.
    • gaijintendo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If there are any people from Scotland here, there were a few p-bombs at T in The Park this year! (joke of sorts)
    • zediker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@dodger2020/ricree:

      uh, yea duh. H-Bomb is called a hydrogen bomb because it fuses hydrogen during the explosion in the form of Tritium and Deutrium core. An H-Bomb is both a fusion and a fission bomb, because a fission reaction is needed to supply the energy to start the fusion chain reaction.

      You cant have an H-Bomb until you can first build an A-Bomb.
    • card2570, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"very true. i think n.korea is just using scare tactics to get the u.s. of their backs. but yea. n.korea is still a ways behind in terms of a-bomb let alone h-bombs. ..but we'll see"


      Kim Jong-il is not a fool in the sense of thinking that scare tactics will work to "get the US off their backs". Quite the contrary. He quite simply is doing these illogical acts to get the US to actually TALK to him, which they haven't done basically at all, since the Clinton Administration. He wants to be taken seriously in the realm of Global politics and power and he obviously feels that Nuclear power is the only way he can gain any leverage at all outside of the Korean peninsula.

      The problem with using the "big stick" of Nuclear Weapons is that proliferation pisses the whole World off, not just the US. The proof of that is in China's statement yesterday that sanctions should probably be taken against it's own ALLY. This is a big deal from a Geo-Political standpoint as China is the only one of the 5 permanent memebers of the UN Security Council that would have overridden an act of sanctioning them.

      The thing that is the most interesting to me in this whole thing is the thought of what we might have done pre-emptively as far as military strikes or the like had we not been stretched so thin in Iraq and Afganistan. My bet is that we know exactly where most all of their facilities are and that most of them would be smoking ruins by the time the sun came up over the IDL.

      Just my $.02
    • SpoBo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2producing a nuke isn't all that difficult. Many people have figured it out before. Besides ... NK has a GIGANTIC military budget. I'm 99% certain they are not bluffing. I just doubt they'll actually do something on their own. The thing I worry about is will China move along with them? If they team up ... mymy. World War 3. And now with american forces so extremely weak by Bush his ***** and the UN's army spread all over the bloody globe .. damn. It's a real good oppertunity for China & NK. I just hope China has come to it's senses. But in recent events (China not willing to punish NK for one) I doubt they have.

      I'm just hoping for common sense basically... and whatever happens this is NOT a reason to elect Bush AGAIN or any retard like him.
  • nwshc, on 10/12/2007, -25/+10ATTACK
    • Hellaphunt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14No! Not until they drop the N-Bomb... not funny.
    • seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6um, with what army?
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Hell no don't attack than we'll have another friggin useless country we have to rebuild to our standards.. Let them sink and let the guy realize his pee pee is actually alot smaller than the rest of the world.
    • ashika, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1The only thing smarter than 1 land war in Asia is 2 land wars in Asia.

      I would sign up to go fight in North Korea only AFTER Bush learns to say "Nuclear". I.E. Never.
    • tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"um, with what army?"

      We have only 200,000 of our 1.4 million active duty and 1.2 million reserve troops deployed. Not to mention South Koreas 700,000 active duty and 4.5 million reserve troops who would undoubtedly take the forefront in a potential military conflict.
    • Jagdhund, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Haha! You fell for one of the classic blunders! The first of which, never get involved in a land war in Asia!..."

      Indeed, so we should instead just air strike them. No need to rebuilt their country. They'll do it themselves when Kim is dead and glowing.
    • zediker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"I say we just nuke em from orbit... Its the only way to be sure..."

      Or better yet, lets just get all this over with and wipe ourselves out (human race) then nature can hopefully produce a more advanced, less militant race...
    • H380, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2NOOOOO! The last thing China wants is Japan to rearm. Remember a little
      thing about 65 years ago called WWII. China is the big fish over there. Now
      Japan has an excuse (a damn good one) to build up its military. This is the
      only reason they give a damn about the test. Imagine what a kick ass army
      and air force Japan could build today. They only have a small self defense
      force. Pissed off Japanese are people to look out for.
  • xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16From the article:

    Kim blamed the United States and others who question the authenticity of Monday’s test for suspicions about whether the North actually possesses nuclear weapons. ``The United States, which initiated a war in Iraq on groundless claims of weapons of mass destruction, is raising absurd suspicions over the North’s nuclear tests,’’ he said.


    Also:

    ``If the Bush administration makes more provocations, both New York City and Tokyo will be blazed,’’ Kim said. He added the North is targeting the United States but does not want to wage a war against the South as long as Seoul takes a neutral position.


    But why doesn't he blame Clinton?
    • brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at but you do know that Kim is a off his rocker right? Everythign he says is just wacko propaganda for the deranged little bubble that is North Korea. You really have to feel for all those people caught in that bubble with him.
    • danielxmorris, on 10/12/2007, -26/+3"But why doesn't he blame Clinton?"

      Because he's not a gun-toting republican *****!
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3your right dan.. :/
      Clinton is a frigging liar that thinks your a moron...
    • venom8599, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Yes, he's completely insane. Blaze NYC and Tokyo... riiiiiiiiight. And a scant 15 minutes later, P'yŏngyang will be a smoldering radioactive crater.
    • BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@venom8599
      Is that AFTER NYC and Tokyo are blazed? :P
    • oddball, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@beefbaron

      We would flatten him before. You know we got trident subs sitting 20 miles off shore of NK, He launches missle at USA, Subs launch, NK is gone before his missles even get half way here. Sub strikes happen very fast, they only have to travel a very short distance.
    • kuwan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@brufleth (and everyone else)

      The Kim mentioned in the article is not Kim Jong-il:

      "In an interview with MBC radio, Kim Myong-chol, director of the Center for Korean-American Peace, a Japan-based pro-North Korean research agency, said the Stalinist state is ready to test its H-bomb or conduct a nuclear test larger than its proclaimed test on Monday."

      The article should be buried as inaccurate as it's from a Japan-based unofficial spokesman:

      "The Ministry of Unification, however, downplayed Kim’s remarks.

      ``Kim is not trustworthy, and his claims should be ignored,’’ a ranking ministry official told The Korea Times.

      MBC also expressed concern before airing the interview, which was recorded a few hours before the radio show, asking its listeners to consider Kim’s remarks as claims by some North Korean hardliners."
    • jschunick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1no, thats after they get blazed and hit the red button on purpose thinking that it is a loose pepperoni slice.
    • jsmith39, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1When he can launch a missle that has at least a decent chance of hitting the ocean it was aimed at, I'll put down my pepsi and show some concern.
  • dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -8/+44We should show them some of our own H bombs too ;)
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10NO no no!
      Please do not go for attacking them... Cause I don't want my tax dollars building another country to our friggin standards... let them continue to be a cesspit
    • SPThom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I say we do what we should've done to Japan. *Rather* than detonating in a location that'd give us a lot of civilian casualties, let's just take one of our show-stoppers and detonate it off the coast or up the road from Pyong-Yang, then tell 'em, "Ok, call us when you get one of *these* working." Or better yet, not.
    • geniusj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It took *two* nuclear bomb detonations and heavy civilian casualties to get Japan to surrender. Why would they surrender to a low casualty warning shot on their soil?
  • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+59Please, North Korea is like a whiny little kid who just wants to be noticed.
    • Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43...who also happens to have the 4th largest number of active troops in the world.
    • FDDIcent, on 10/12/2007, -4/+63thats only because everyone in north korea is considered a soldier, including 6 year old girls...
    • Bloodwine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Hopefully big brother China beats his little brother and locks him in the closet.
    • ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Yes, they are just whiny little ***** trying to get noticed...

      Who happen to have nuclear weapons. I don't really like that combo.
    • arkitect, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Yeah the 4th largest army.



      The majority of which is starving and using 50 year old weapons that may or may not work.
    • vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@"Hopefully big brother China beats his little brother and locks him in the closet."

      Actually, the big brother wants to use his ***** little brother to scare the ***** out of the US so big brother can hook up with his little sister Taiwan. >_<

      But seriously, the last thing China wants in the NK is regime change or US troops on its border and the fact that the US is focused on NK leaves more breathing room for their goals elsewhere.
    • phearinc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15A million troops in uniform looks good on the parade ground, but i'll take a couple F-16's over a million muskets anyday.
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7If a war starts with North Korea, it's going to most likely be because they used nuclear weapons, and if that is the case, I don't care if they have the largest army in the world...a few nukes of our own will solve that problem.

      They realize this. Theyr'e all talk.
    • tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"The majority of which is starving and using 50 year old weapons that may or may not work."

      The military is who gets the food first. North Korea follows the Songun policy where the military gets the first of everything.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songun

  • medieval, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7maybe we should "test" our h-bombs.
    • bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5yeah, test them above ground on north korean soil!!
  • kloda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42I think the interpreters have been messing with the translations to make things look more exciting. Kim is really planning to drop the F-Bomb if he doesn't get his way.
    • MysticSavage, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21They're also testing the sex bomb...however, Tom Jones is unavailable for comment.
    • Holk23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Well if he drops the F-Bomb then not only will New York and Tokyo be destroyed...so will his decency...not that he had any in the first place but you get what i mean
    • Diabolickungfu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30If he drops the F-bomb we won't have to worry anymore. He'll get fined and shut down by the FCC.
  • dirka, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12hey north Korea, its nice to see your testing bombs that we've had for 60 years, Bravo you idiots
    • OsiVert, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8Exactly. Just think of what kind of bombs or crazy weapons we have now that the public doesn't know about yet. We've had 60 years to develop something new.
    • oddball, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2perhaps large EMP devices to kill all their electronics and set them back to stone age. Hey, one of those would prolly destroy the triggers in their nukes too.
    • MysticSavage, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Next thing you know, he'll have sharks with frickin' laser beams.
    • goatrandy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4#OsiVert - Yep. I often think about the 'calculus of lives' that Neal Stephenson talks about so often.

      We HAVE new weapons, things that would scare even Lil' Kims crazy ass. The reason we haven't shown them off yet is obvious. It would save less lives now than it would to wait, and deploy them when they're actually NEEDED.

      My only problem with it, lies in that age old question:
      "Who the hell is deciding whether or not they should be deployed?"

      Those dead troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places might not agree with their choice to wait.

    • jsmith39, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@oddball

      Umm... what electronics? We're talking about NK here.
  • Maku, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3If Kim test ***** over the USA, bottom line he'd get his ass kicked by his allies.
    • ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12North Korea doesn't HAVE any allies, strictly speaking. Just trade partners, at best.
    • gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15He doesn't want to do anything to the US; the whole thing is an extortion effort to shake down Geo W. into providing NK with the assistance and food they aren't capable of providing themselves because the entire country's income is dedicated to lining the resident dictator's pockets.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Uhmm.. He can't get it to the U.S....
    • vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@"the whole thing is an extortion effort to shake down Geo W. into providing NK with the assistance and food they aren't capable of providing themselves because the entire country's income is dedicated to lining the resident dictator's pockets."

      WTF? The US doesn't give any aid to North Korea... It was going to, but it never did. It is South Korea, Japan, and China that give the DPRK its food and various other resources.

      Seriously, the US need not be involved in making threats of sanctions since we haven't had trade with North Korea in over 50 years! If we sanction them even more what are we going to do? Stop sending them nothing? We are doing that right now.

      The only thing we can do is blockade their ports and that will only work if China and SK agree to help out.

      Otherwise... Even if he did have nukes... He couldn't threaten to use them. If Kim Jong Il said "Give me $100 billion dollars or I will nuke Seoul and Tokyo" and then the US said "umm... No"

      Do you really think he would shoot them off at that point?? Its like bank robber calling up a bank on phone saying "If you don't give me $100 I'll shoot myself!" because that is what exactly will happen... Nuclear fire raining death across the North Korean country.

      You can't really enjoy your money with nuclear fallout can you?

    • nikoniko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@vertinox

      "WTF? The US doesn't give any aid to North Korea... It was going to, but it never did."

      WTF right back at you. If the US hasn't aided the DPRK, then I'd really like an accounting for the more than $1 billion the US government says it has spent on aiding them since 1995. Approximately 60% of that was for food aid and the remainder went toward energy assistance through KEDO.

      Reading and keeping up with world events -- it's a good thing.
  • icepick314, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3okay...it be bad for some of South Korea but can't we just get rid of Kim Jung Il in North Korea by going to full blown war?

    it'll be REALLY be short war since NK does not have any support, there won't be any sort of jihad going on, feed all those starving people and they'll be grateful, have one less crazy dictator to worry about....

    sure there will be some damage to Korea but rebuilding is good for economy...besides, Seoul is getting really dirty lately....needs to be rebuilt anyway....
    • brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15China is the reason that Kim Il is still in place and the reason nobody has gone to war with NK. It will ultimately be China's decision to remove him or not too.
    • m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Yeah, that's a good reason for war....because a city is dirty....
    • nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Well there is one small problem in your "quick war" scenario, and that is NK's GIANT F'ING ARMY.
    • chrisp9446, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Full-blown war would be great if they didn't have the capability to annihilate large areas with their purported nuclear weapons. Ever played global thermonuclear war?...
    • gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9we can't get rid of anybody: when the CIA had operatives within Cuba, serving Castro's meals they still couldn't pull of the assassination. they only thing we seem to be able to do, is carpet bomb already burned out countries and get our own troops killed.
    • bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7idiots like you who are in power are the reason we get stuck in some wars we engage in. the idea that you rationalize a decision to goto war with a country because it will be a quick war is moronic. feeding the people will not guarantee they will like us, nor is there any guarantee we even could feed the people. it wouldn't just be bad for south korea, but all of asia. it would cause instability in the region and creation factions of countries on one side, the other, or split between similar to how the middle east has been for centuries. war with north korea would do ZERO good.

      now imo one possibility for a change in n. korea is to have a small group of people who are not citizens of any nation and whos training and financial aid can not be traced to any source assassinate kim and many of his close supports.
    • ViperDaimao, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Whether the war would be quick or not, the problem would be the collapse and chaos the fall would bring. Millions of refugees. Can't go south because of the walls and minefields, so all that leaves is north to china and russia. Neither of those countries want that problem.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Do you really want to have to educate another friggin country? Feed it? train their military?
    • vmerc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Along those lines of thought, Detroit should be flattened as well. Maybe just take that part of the planet and launch it into the sun. After all, the sun is just a big self-sustaining nuclear explosion!
    • JoshuaLaskin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@nrvous250gt

      The real problem with that "quick war" scenario is that 1. we have no troops left and 2. we have terrible strategists in charge of our military. If Donald Rumsfeld wasn't such a retard, we would have been able to take Iraq in a week.
    • jsmith39, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Um, we took Iraq in less than a week. Unfortunately it's like that broken mail order toy that you can't seem to get a return shipping address for.
  • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Man china is gonna be PISSED. We won't have to do thing, Chinas army has enough foot soilders to just storm N. Korea like a swarm of fire ants...
    • gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7China and Russia are apparently the (sole?) primary objectors to applying any significant sanctions on N.K. so I wouldn't be expecting any restrictive actions coming from them anytime soon.
    • colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5"China and Russia are apparently the (sole?) primary objectors to applying any significant sanctions on N.K. so I wouldn't be expecting any restrictive actions coming from them anytime soon."

      What are you talking about? China, since the nuclear test, has been a primary backer of sanctions. If N.K. does get an H-Bomb I expect China would flip out.
    • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Thats because they have always been on good terms with N. Korea. However since they did the first test that relationship has been heavily strained, I don't think either country will stand for much more.
    • nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3China's resistance to NK is simple economics folks. We are China's biggest trading partner, and the reason why the Chinese Govt is paying some nice salaries. Do you think they want to jeopardize that gravy train? They want to keep americans consuming, Lenin and Mao be damned.
    • colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"China's resistance to NK is simple economics folks. We are China's biggest trading partner, and the reason why the Chinese Govt is paying some nice salaries. Do you think they want to jeopardize that gravy train? They want to keep americans consuming, Lenin and Mao be damned."

      Or they don't like the idea of having a crazy guy with nukes living next door. But, you're right, everything must have to do with the US.
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2China is not an objector.. They have done nothing but say they should be punished but not really... China would love for the U.S. to decide to attack NK than it could get involved and we would lose.. :/
    • VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@nr
      please do not think that America is at the center of the world because it is not by far, China has already told us, per Clintons admin, that if we don't like what they do, we can pull our companies the hell out of their country.. Don't think for a minute we are supporting them at all.. :/
    • Gerolsteiner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Just because China has a giant Army doesn't mean we're going to sit still and let them do all the work. I suspect that if China strikes, we'll try to race them to Pyongyang (using blitzkrieg-esque armored spearheads and marine landings) to avoid confrontation over the future of Korea with China, since as a communist nation with a history of disrespecting neighbors' sovereignty, China isn't exactly trustworthy, even with their more recent tendencies towards internationalism.

      No matter how you look at it, there's nothing "easy" about the deciding the fate of North Korea, particularly through war, though it does seem more practical in N.K.'s infant stage of nuclear technology than diplomacy.
    • sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Wow, I think it's safe to say that everyone in this thread has no idea what they're talking about. China taking military action against NK?? China has said NK should be "punished", but they have opposed the economic, military, and naval blockade sanctions that the US is proposing. China will never in a million years be taking any form of military action against North Korea.
    • nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@Volatile-

      Do me a favor. Take an international relations class and then come back and comment.
    • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Wow, I think it's safe to say that everyone in this thread has no idea what they're talking about. China taking military action against NK?? China has said NK should be "punished", but they have opposed the economic, military, and naval blockade sanctions that the US is proposing. China will never in a million years be taking any form of military action against North Korea"

      Lets see what happens when they keep setting off nukes in chinas back yard. I have a feeling that their attitude is going to change.
  • broken1812, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27This guy should not be leading a country...

    North Korea at Night satellitre image:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=410158&in_page_id=1811
    • teddtech, on 10/12/2007, -30/+12Neither should this guy...


      GEORGE W. BUSH
    • m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Ok, that image is just really sad.
    • Holk23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1thats a really good picture there...it really shows, in conjunction with this article, that he wants attention so bad that he risks the well being of his own citizens and not only that, the well being of his cities.
    • brotherjohn1234, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4It was presented by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
      ... i don't trust this guy.

  • 0crabby0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4This is nuts. I bet it's a fizzle...
  • Ascus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Last one was a dud, Iam sure that one did a lot to help Kim's manhood. SO he has to promise a bigger one next time/ Maybe we will hear this one?
  • DonSchenck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18This madman is hell-bent on his own destruction, and that of his country. Does he really think he would get away with launching a missle at the United States? North Korea would be nuked so fast and so bad it would be a new parking lot for Wal-Mart of South Korea.

    This man is mentally retarded -- seriously -- and needs to be removed from office.
    • Holk23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2we all kind of know hes a mad man, the only problem is that we cant get him out of office because of the dictatorship he holds over the country
  • Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Kim Jong-il really needs to go away. There's actually important news going on and he's taking away from it. He's like the fat ***** fifth grader who got a new toy and screams "LOOK WHAT I GOT!!!11!" and thumping his chest.

    You will never be respected by trumpeting your pride. It gives me a headache when world leaders (including Bush) do this.
    • griz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Way to go Popdmb, you are the first to drop the "F-Bomb".
  • gpnagy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"both New York City and Tokyo will be blazed"

    That's the funniest thing I have heard all day! North Korea is going to blaze NYC. Why didn't they at least pick something a little more believable that they actually might be able to reach, like L.A. I guess we better start the duck-and-cover drills again.
  • omgwut, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0lol
  • gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10let them detonate anything they want. if it doesn't bother China and Russia, BFD! apparently it's just not that important to anyone other than the newsmedia as so far the most severe economic sanctions the UN can agree upon, are to restrict the flow of inferior, but expensive French wines into N.K.
    • brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Exactly. Despite what many American's think, the US is not the rest of the world's nanny. China, South Korea, Japan, Russia, etc are the ones who should take a stand on this. If they aren't concerned then just ignore it.
    • member57, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@brufleth
      Great point, but I'm sure our allies you know, Japan and South Korea, to name just a couple wouldn't like us to take a "back seat" in this whole affair. I guess because they are an Asian country we should not take action. Would the enlightened people of Europe want the US to stand by if a known aggressive rogue state with nuclear capability was threatening them. Seems like we didn't turn our backs during the cold war, that turned out OK for Europe.
  • floridiot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13IT'S A TRAP
  • dannygutters, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3"Except for my wife and family, that is my favourite photo," said Mr Rumsfeld.

    How can Rumsfeld manage to sound like a dick even when talking about north korea amazing.
    • ohamoodi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Rumsfeld is evil. On top of being stupid.
      Which is a very lethal combination. I particularily like when he was caught stone cold in a lie by a former CIA analyst.

      Between him and cheney, i think both of them need to go to the strippers or get laid, because they are a bunch of tight arsed pricks.
  • sleze, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I think a US test of our largest H bomb over Pyongyang would stop Kim's foolishness. That said, this article is probably *****
  • BigJuiceMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6what an asshat. he can't even feed his population.
    • LightninJoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Just to clear things up a little.

      Atom bomb could be used to describe either a standard nuclear weapon or a thermonuclear weapon.

      A standard non-thermonuclear atomic weapon can use either HE Uranium or Plutonium. The "Fat Man" weapon used at Nagasaki was a plutonium weapon that used the shaped charge principal to insert the plutonium mass into criticality. This is much more complex than the "gun" style of insertion used by the "Little Boy" weapon on Hiroshima. This weapon used a gun barrel to shoot a sub-critical mass of HE Uranium into a toroidal non-critical mass of HE Uranium. This is very inefficient as the insertion time is very slow and there is a chance of pre-ignition but it was almost guaranteed to work and so it was not tested, as the "Fat Man" prototype was at Alamogordo.

      A thermonuclear device uses a standard plutonium device as above to trigger fusion reactions of isotopes such as Li-6 and H-3. The key discovery when developing this device is that temperature = pressure. Teller wasn't sure they would be able to "heat" the hydrogen isotopes enough to start the reaction. But as they went along they discovered that the immense pressure the trigger could put on the secondary would do the job just fine. Modern US and Russian weapons can actually be 3-stage devices.
    • mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It is generally accepted that H-bomb = fusion device and A-bomb = fission device.
  • CaesarBlue, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3dirka dirka
    • floridiot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wrong race. Koreans are: kekekeke.
  • Aleman360, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I say we send Sam Fisher over there to take Kim out.
  • gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I'm not sure if this man has ever studied global 1900's history, but if he has then he must have simply forgotten what happened to Japan when they decided it'd be a good plan to attack the US for close to no reason at all. Have fun, *****. Launch your missles. They won't make it to our shore, but ours will definitely make it through your living room window without a hitch.

    And by the time you have, or could have, developed missles that can make it over here, believe me... The surrounding nations will have stopped you by force, and most other nations will have stifled your power via sanction. Enjoy.

    *sigh* It's like a 6 year-old trying to take on a grown man.
  • member57, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Meanwhile, the US prepares giant flyswatter to swat the gnat called North Korea....
    Now seriously, the a-hole may actually do it, even a failed nuclear detonation is bad it would be a "dirty bomb" and wreck major havoc. He is an insane despot that may actually believe his delusions of grandeur, which is bad, many people have died at the hands of such depraved sociopaths. A war in NK would be bad, Koreans are very good warriors and believe the crap they have been force fed their whole lives, much like the Japanese in WWII. Very fanatical.
  • Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's a shame and I feel sorry for the people, but China has to invoke sanctions.

    When it gets to the point he can't feed his own army, let us see how long he lasts.

    Unfortunately, he will starve the civilians before the army.
    • gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2"Unfortunately, he will starve the civilians before the army."

      The civilians are the army.
    • griz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2What gives you any indication that he cares about what happens to his people?
  • NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I wonder if Mr. Jong is aware China can crush him like a bug if he gets in their bad spot. Maybe he's sufficiently delusional to believe he has power that he really doesn't possess.

    Their H-Bomb is their enemy, not their security. Any attempt at making use of it as a weapon, regardless of whether that succeeds or not will seal Jong's fate overnight.
  • beathermit, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2well as long as he doesn't drop the N-bomb.............unless he's quoting someone, then its ok
  • grooviekenn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Kim Jong-il reminds me of a spoiled little brat trying to get the attention of the older kids in the playground.

    ...His mom should spank him....
  • thefutureisours, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6they may have the bomb but... "regime is so short of electricity that the whole country is switched off at 9pm..."

    check out this satellite pic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=410158&in_page_id=1811

    • member57, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5But think of how much electricity they are saving.....
    • mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Why would someone try to digg that comment down?
    • goatrandy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@mutatron - It's obvious. Because about two pages up, and 1000 Diggs ago we've already heard it, and seen it.
  • davy2002a, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3lol, I don't know why they even think they can successfully attack the U.S., the U.S. has defense systems in place explicitly to deal with incoming missiles.....
  • mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7An H-bomb is much more complex than an A-bomb. You have to have a pretty efficient plutonium a-bomb to start with. This is encased in a uranium reflector. The reflector focuses photons from the a-bomb onto a cone of lithium hydride. Hydrogen in this cone fuses under the photonic compression, releasing enormous amounts of energy.

    The timing and proportions of all these pieces have to be pretty much perfectly aligned for all this to work correctly. Kim Jong Il doesn't have an h-bomb.
    • phearinc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Maybe he just drew an "H" on a bomb. I mean, that wouldn't be a lie.
    • LightninJoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The trigger-pusher-tamper design of the modern H-bomb is called a "Teller-Ulam" device after its inventors. I forgot to mention the basic principle earlier that a standard plutonium bomb is a fission device while a thermonuclear weapon is a fission-fusion device. The the trigger is a fission device that initiates fusion reactions in the secondary, which sometimes is used to set off a tertiary stage.
    • friedcalamari, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Add to that the difficulty to deploy the described device over a selected target with a fair amount of accuracy.
    • mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wikipedia is wonderful. They have a link to a pdf of the original 1979 article from the Progressive, where I learned how to make a thermonuclear device. The story of how Howard Morland uncovered the secret is pretty interesting.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller-Ulam_device
    • xenuxenuts, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I would guess the most likely scenario for deployment wouldn't be a missile, it would be on a ship arriving at a port. While it wouldn't do as much damage as an air burst from an ICBM, it would do enough. Just imagine destroying the port of a major city like LA.

      And BTW, the only way NK has an H-bomb is if they acquired an old soviet one. That is a much more likely scenario than them actually building one.
  • Hortos, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11234
  • 1337pino, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Someone way above made the remark that we'd hit them with 100 nukes for every nuke they threw at us. First of all, your ignorance astounds me. It's as if you think there are no side effects what-so-ever to so many nuclear weapons exploding around the world. Oh, and did you forget that there is still a risk of faulty russian equipment still responding to our nukes? Sure we may not be aiming at them, but auto response systems won't care if they accidently trigger. Essentially, we'd get hit by just as many missiles as we throw back out there.


    Anywho, I love how Kim responds: "The United States, which initiated a war in Iraq on groundless claims of weapons of mass destruction, is raising absurd suspicions over the North’s nuclear test." Well, he's kind of got us there. It's a tad hypocritical for our administration to be like this, even if it is the right thing to do (I'm not saying that the Iraq war was justified, because it wasn't). God, it took Bush administration quite a few years to finally do something about this.
  • pirana0, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Let us (the world) ***** this ***** (Kim Jong Il).

    Do you understand now why we did not want them to have nukes in the first place? You know damn right what I'm talking about. Look at some of the things he's saying, a physically and mentally unstable 4 foot dictator is threatening the world and his own country also at the same time. Hey Kim, one ***** up you'll be ***** your intestines from radiation sickness numb-flaps.
  • phearinc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"The North will regard the United Nations resolution imposing sanctions, whether financial or military, as a declaration of war, he said."

    one two three four, I declare a thumb war.
  • cpuenvy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5It is disgusting how the BLAME BUSH CROWD can just twist this into the President's fault. I mean, what is the man supposed to do? Fly there and have a chit chat with nutbag dictator? Seriously, this is an issue for that part of the world to help deal with, because if this moron nukes NY, you can bet your ass that we will hit them with an ICBM with a thermonuclear warhead on it. That would really cause issues in Asia.

    The world needs to stop this, without the UN. The UN has proven again that it is a useless chit chat body for people that have no power to do anything. Issues, including Iraq, have difficult times being solved via the UN. Sanctions? We see where Oil For Food got us...
  • DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5any news sources other than the korea times?
  • musntSurfatWork, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Bush & Kim Jong-il : 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    This is the end. My only friend, the end.
    • gtiness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2keep grooving to the doors man. soon, all the world's problems will just magically go away...right after the rest of us solve them.
  • Bibimbap, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4"they only thing we seem to be able to do, is carpet bomb already burned out countries and get our own troops killed."

    Canadian troops too.
  • Systembomber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4some one pleae assisinate him xD
  • buttsmell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The funny thing is the creators of South Park and their 4 star acclaimed movie 'Team America' predicted this very thing.
  • Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Oh noes!

    Both New York City and Tokyo will be BRAZED!
  • greenamp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Who cares.
  • yonis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7*****, Kim. You've got us by the balls now. Okay, we surrender. Here is money for your amazing "Democratic People's Republic" which features "indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent" to help you build your "great, prosperous, powerful socialist nation."

    Please don't H-bomb us now. Pretty please?


    That just seems like the response they're expecting from these death threats.
  • Jun168, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Lets invade. Where do I sign up?
  • Fordi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Hm.

    I don't know if Kim's got H-Bombs, but I know that if he *thinks* he's got one, and it comes out dirty, Philadelphia would likely be in the fallout range.

    Also, while I don't believe the US's anti-missile systems have ever been used in a real combat situation, I'm pretty certain that the distances required in hitting New York are sufficient for most of the world's anti-missile systems to have a shot.

    I'm presently debating on whether to move to North Carolina... Probably not though; this little bit of saber rattling doesn't feel like it's got any teeth.
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