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- sonaro, on 10/11/2007, -3/+229Life is full of risks. Grab your balls and live it, otherwise you're already a victim to terrorism and fear. And I live in NY and work in NYC.
Mike Bloomberg just moved up a notch in my book. - badasscat, on 10/11/2007, -7/+111Rudy's no Rudy either. Rudy was one of the least popular mayors in the city's history before 9/11. He's abandoned the firefighters that are now sick because of his post-9/11 decisions. He does not deserve his reputation outside this city.
Bloomberg is right. Even the DHS called this plot "not technically feasible" - in other words, it wouldn't have even worked. Anyone can *say* they want to blow up JFK airport, but if you don't have a plan that'll work, you're just some clueless idiot walking around.
And tomshup: heart disease kills more New Yorkers every month than 9/11 did. It's killed probably 100 million New Yorkers over the history of this city. Worry about stuff that matters.
Again, I say all this as someone who watched 9/11 happen right outside my window. I wish people who don't even live here would stop using something that happened to *my city* as an excuse for everything. If you want to live in fear, that's your problem. We New Yorkers choose not to.
Go Bloomberg. - red7red7, on 10/11/2007, -4/+82A refreshing counterpoint to post-9/11 neurosis and GOP fear-mongering
- Ajajadude, on 10/11/2007, -2/+78How many people have died within our borders from a terrorist attack each year? How many people die within our borders each year from heart attacks, car accidents, cancer and other diseases, and your spouse just looking for some Vegas money?
Yeah, the authorities need to be vigilant, but you sitting on your ass all day not wanting to go outside because you're afraid is a waste of time and will only take years off your life. One of the biggest things terrorists want to do to this country is not just kill us, but to make us fear everyday life and make us change the way our society works. - donmei, on 10/11/2007, -1/+64Its amazing how stupid people are.
THIS PLOT CAN NOT WORK. Its simple physics. A few experts have already chimed in, but the media doesnt want to hear it.
An explosion in a pipeline will cause a fire in the area of the break until the pipeline is shut down. (which happens automatically)
So if they set off explosions somewhere, it would not explode down the length of the pipe. It would burn for a few minutes locally. So if it was done in a suburban neighborhood, it would destroy a couple of houses. Maximum. The airport would not be affected.
If the explosives were placed at the airport, the fire would also remail LOCALIZED. That may mean destruction of the fuel tanks on site, but it would not affect runways or terminals.
Like bloomberg said, get a life. Not that you need to depe3nd on government for security, but stop bellyaching. Take responsibility for what you can. If you live in the neighborhood where the pipeline runs, set up neighborhood watches, etc.
America, the land of the scared, the home of the weak. It disgusts me how pussified we have become since our grandparents won WWII.
Don Mei - eexlebots, on 10/11/2007, -1/+57Seriously, I wish more politicians would use their brains and stop the ridiculous BE SCARED OF EVERYTHING OMG nonsense.
- zenmasher, on 10/11/2007, -4/+59This threat was total *****. There was absolutely no way anything was going to happen out there. These guys had no understanding of how the underground piping works. They were total jokers. Sure, *****, but jokers still. When you actually read the facts behind this case you have to wonder why we are even hearing about it. There must be thirty groups of jackasses talking about this kind of stuff every day. But they had no plans, no money, no help, no nothing. So why are we hearing about it. Oh, yeah, Democratic national debate was two days after the announced arrests. If they can't outright steal the election, they can try to panic people into thinking that only the Republicans will keep them safe. Wow. Weird.
- Simulator, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40The most common-sensical thing I have heard to come out of the man's mouth, possibly ever. On the list of threats to the average American, terrorism is near the bottom of the list. You take a MUCH greater risk every day by climbing in your car and driving to work, smoking, eating at McDonald's or any number of a million things that post a more direct threat to your health. The media tried their best to make much ado about little during a slow news week. Apparently these guys were not even close to carrying out anything, and did not seem to be particularly competent.
- Simulator, on 10/11/2007, -3/+39>Easy to say, now that they've been caught. Had they been successful, even in part, Bloomberg and the rest of the country would be singing a different >tune, and screaming to high heaven "Why didn't the authorities catch these guys?"
And that really illustrates the problem, doesn't it?
This actually did happen last year:
16,185 MURDERS; 92,837 RAPES IN USA.
Why didn't the authorities catch these guys???
Are you screaming to high heaven? Is anyone?
I'm glad the pipeline is secure, but what about the stuff that actually DOES happen every day? - kinseyincanada, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27cataclysmic? lets be serious, the so called terrorists did not have the technical know how to set off the bombs, they also had no materials to make a bomb and the pipe they were going to detonate had shut off valves it would not have affected the city at all.
- Anonymously, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27The so-called "war on terror" _is_ a bumper sticker slogan. You can't wage war on a _tactic_ any more than you can wage war on encirclement or fear.
It's the current version of "Better dead than red" and another campaign against some unknowable "Other". Coincidentally, Missourimule uses a conceptual term in support of his argument, like "the war on terror", and thereby demonstrating that his argument is nothing more than unsubstantiated fear-mongering.
Edwards recognizes that you can't wage war against a concept. How many guns does it take to shoot "terror"? How do you kill it? Can you flank terror?
Bloomberg recognizes that, in the grand scheme of things, people probably shouldn't worry about a plot that was physically incapable of occurring. - iRoy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28@sonaro
Totally agree with you, I've been a New Yorker my entire life. This is definitely one of the first times I've agreed with wgat Mayor Bloomberg has to say. We should be focused on other things and stop worrying about "what could have happened". - viviwanu, on 10/11/2007, -7/+23I feel sorry for you man. Anytime they cry wolf your little man pussy starts to leak. If you're so dumb as to buying into this political game of terror, you really should do humanity a favor by sticking your head up your own ass and suffocate yourself.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/04/olbermann-the-nexus-of-politics-and-terror-2/ - saintdesy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, I hope this guy pulls out his billion dollar checkbook and runs as an independent.
' "You have a much greater danger of being hit by lightning than being struck by a terrorist," he added. '
That is the most sensible damn thing anyone in politics has said in a long long time. - Tobsy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Holy crap. Is he developing some kind of common sense?
- viviwanu, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20thscd, are you one of the many guys who ***** Rudy in drag? Rudy is a criminal and you're just dumb ass rimmer, you and Rudy deserve each other.
- randyfelcher, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15A coward dies a thousand deaths, but a brave man dies only one.
- kanemano, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Bloomberg has always had common sense, he really does love the city and is not in it for the money, (since he has so much already) one of the few Republicans I will ever vote for.
- Brasky, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16You notice how there are no conspiracy theorists with degrees in engineering. None of you ***** know ***** about materials and their strengths and weaknesses. Jet fuel doesn't melt steel, not even close. But it does burn around 1600F. Do you know how strong structural steel is at 1600F. Get a life and pick up a book once in a while...
- Brian48216, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12He's even though he's a republican I think he was originally a democrat turncoat that became republican. I mean turncoat in the nicest way possible though since he isn't a bad mayor or anything.
But it would explain how he doesn't follow the conventional GOP line of "THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE TO GET US ANY MINUTE" - dwb325, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Thanks for that dose of truth.
Can someone tell me when it became acceptable to be a coward in our society?
What ever happened to: the only thing to fear is fear itself? - 69Liters, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I, for one, happen to agree with Mayor Bloomberg's assessment. I doubt, however, that it's actual citizens worrying about what may happen in terms of terrorist acts, it's a reactive media that is trying to sell its newscast by worrying viewers. If anything I'd like to chime in on the "let's recycle most of our journalists" note.
- Konrad9, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Sjl, "bury my head in the sand"?
OK, here's the thing.
If we don't go about our lives, the terrorists DO win. None of that invade this country or vote for this guy or they win, live your ***** life.
Yes, a dirty bomb could go off in the city where I work (New Haven, CT) any day, but so what? If it kills me then at least I was out doing something and not wasting away at home playing Halo.
As I very often say, I'd rather die at 30 and happy than 90 and unable to remember who these people that visit me are. - Flanker, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10The death of my great great great great grandfather many years ago was much more than just the tragic death of one man. It was the little cholesterol molecules saying "we are coming," and subsequent heart attacks have shown that it is not over. I eat no food with any fat, carbohydrates, or taste--not because I am afraid, but because I am vigilant.
Sorry bud, but you'd have an incredibly hard time proving that the total quality-adjusted life years lost to terrorism over the last century are anywhere close to those lost to heart disease. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9You guys may not have engineering materials degrees, but we have guys in our factory that do.
Our factory in Taiwan builds bikes for major companies like Giant, Specialized and so forth. We also build the fine frames which are made of better steel than the comparatively crude steel beams used in construction. Yet we can easily bend and shape steel and aluminum at 1100F-1500F. This is why I don't buy into the conspiracy ***** that Jetfuel that burns at 1600F can't weaken steel or aluminum. At 1500F the metal is glowing red hot molten, easily manipulated and shaped, but not "liquified", and at that state is not strong enough to hold anything. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Bloomberg won me over when he said on TV that he didn't care what people thought of him, and that he wasn't going to say what people want to hear, that he was going to do what he felt was right for NYC instead of pandering to special interest groups. Once the Chinese government got the UN to prevent the Taiwanese and Tibetans from marching for the yearly immigrants parade. Bloomberg threatened to revoke the parade permit unless the UN let everyone march regardless of race and nationality.
Bloomberg is also considered one of the best mayors ever for NYC and the top mayor of America. The man works for $1 a year, campaigned entirely out of his own pocket, brought NYC out of deficit for the first time in decades. He doesn't live in Gracie mansion, the traditional mayors home. He works alongside his colleagues and his desk is right in the center, instead of the "forbidden" Mayors office in City Hall. Bloomberg's home number is even listed in the yellow pages. The billionaire doesn't ride limo's to work, instead takes the subway every day, alongside millions of New Yorkers.
He's also raised education significantly, lowered crime to the lowest levels since the 1960's (NYC is also the safest major metropolis in America), and made mass transportation "green". The DOT in NYC now is forced to use hybrid or electric cars. Heck property value in NYC skyrocketed due to some of Bloomberg's policies. I don't agree with him 100%, but he's definitely the best mayor I've ever seen in the last 20 years. - Toast1185, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9@sonaro
Cheers! The odds of being involved in a terrorist attack while inside the United States are so ridiculously low it is almost laughable, particularly compared to the amount of time devoted to it in the media. Pass out credit wherever you want, but Bloomberg is right - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9@ben1sm4:
So the whole ***** world is supposed to stop in it's tracks because "YOU HAVE BABIES"?
As George Carlin said:
It's like people that put "BABY ON BOARD" signs in their minivans. Are you suggesting that I'm supposed to drive carefully because YOU have a BABY on board? ***** YOU! I'm going to drive WORSE you PRETENTIOUS PRICK!
Discipline your "BABIES". Beat the ***** out of them when they become failed teenagers and teach them respect, understanding and values. If you don't, YOU are the terrorist by contributing a new braindead kid into the 'culture of corruption'.
Integrity doesn't happen by taking your kids into a building every Sunday and saying "Sorry". Integrity happens by example. It happens by teaching kids right from wrong. It happens by teaching kids science and math and skills that will help them be successful.
Being a failure of a parent and going to Church on sunday is equivalent to being Paris Hilton and saying, "Ooops, I didn't know what I did". - Samiyam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9"at it's all-time high since 9/11"
WTF? By what statistic? By the number of scary stories reported by Fox News? By politicians warning us at every photo-op that we are in constant danger?
I think more a more accurate description would be "Fear of terrorism is at an all-time high since 9/11". Don't get me wrong; I think we should be vigilant. But if we are afraid to go about our daily lives, then it's already "Mission Accomplished" for the terrorists.
I hope this anonymous New Yorker represents the minority view. - Globehugger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Finally, common sense spoken out loud. Yeah Bloomberg!
- Rhino2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8""Good for him and well said.""
I agree. He's a smart guy, so is the guy that said "The only thing we have to fear, is fear it's self"
I'm glad bloomberg is saying something logical here. Yes, the threat of being killed by a "terrorist" is very low and we shouldn't be "all freaked out" about it and we sure as hell shouldn't give up ANY civil libraries for it. - dirkdee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@thscd
"If you lost 75000 people, and destroyed Queens and JFK airport, your stocks portfoilio would be in the trash heep, " Man you speak the truth ....that is why he (Bloomberg) is calling ***** on this and concentrating on threats that would actually harm the city and not wasting his time and energy with this cockamamie fear-mongering turd of a plot. - TerenceF, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7News organs are now so worried about making sure that the public thinks their journalism is "patriotic" that they not only focus on maximizing the fear-factor of these failed plots, but they feel it necessary to seek out anyone who isn't adding to the hype and criticize them for it. Kudos to Bloomberg for thinking about the honest facts and not fund-raising dollars. I'm sure you'll be able to find plenty of how-to guides for blowing up fuel pipelines to major airports on the 24-hour networks this week showing "just how easy" it is. Or maybe there will be another story about how the terrorist leaders are lulling us into a false sense of security and that they could strike at any time.
- yutt, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Dugg down for giant block of text.
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8@ben1sm4
And they'll grow up to be cowards if you instill this attitude in them.
We take risks every time we step outside our homes. We could be murdered by a crack addict looking for money for his next rock, killed in a car crash, hit by a bus as we cross the street, slip on the pavement and die of a massive head injury, killed in a plane crash, impaled by a falling pipe dropped from a building under construction, eat contaminated food at a restaurant, or fall victim to any number of misfortunes. Even if we stay at home, we could be killed by a burglar, die in a fire caused by faulty wiring or a gas leak, die of carbon monoxide poisoning caused by a faulty heater, slip and fall in the shower, die of electrocution from a hair dryer that falls in the tub, or even be killed by a meteor that hits us after smashing through the roof. And this doesn't even scratch the surface of how we might die. I didn't even get into death caused by diet or smoking.
The point is, there are countless ways to die, ways that are far more probable than being the victim of a terrorist. If you are so scared of terrorism, then you should be positively terrified of all these other possibilities. And since you are so worried about your babies, then you should be much more afraid of them dying of SIDS because that's far more likely to occur than them being killed by a terrorist.
And finally, do you think for one moment that we are less safe than our ancestors? I hope not, because we are much safer than they were. Choose a time period, and you'll find that countless numbers of people died in ways that are easily preventable now. Need some examples? Fine.
Middle Ages: Black plague, smallpox, infections, wars involving most European nations at one time or another, diseases caused by contaminated food or water, execution because of some offense, real or imagined, against the king or church, starvation because of famines.
19th century: Snake bites, yellow fever, injuries from accidents involving falling off a horse or being run over by a wagon, wars, such as the Civil War, death due to any number of causes while traveling cross-country, polio.
And since I just mentioned polio, ask your parents or grandparents about that disease. My parents told me how people were afraid to let their children play outside when an outbreak had been reported, for fear that they would contract it. And if it didn't kill you, it could weaken you to such an extent that you could end up in a wheelchair, or, worse, in an iron lung.
So, my advice to you is to seriously consider the many risks that you and your family face every day, think about the risks that our ancestors faced, and decide if you are going to live in constant fear or stand up and face those dangers like human beings have done for tens of thousands of years.
One day, we will all die. What we can't control is when or how. What we can control is how we live our lives between the present and that unknown date with death. We can live in fear, or we can enjoy life. I prefer to enjoy my life. If that shortens it to some degree, I will probably never know, but living in fear is like dying a little every single day, and I have no intention of doing that. - notouch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Prevent terrorists attack is the government's job, but it does not mean the government should make its citizens over-react to every terrorist threat, especially when it comes to use scare tactics to gain control over citizens' freedom.
Kudos to the NYC major for speaking of the truth. And yes, many people do need a life! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@Indyanna:
The only people that "scream to high heaven" are people that don't believe in the real world and hope that their "invisible friend" will protect them from everything bad in the world.
As nice of a sentiment as it is, it's just not realistic. As Forrest Gump said, "It Happens". - Dracos, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8One of the Democratic presidential candidates needs to invoke FDR:
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
Then that candidate needs to run on a platform of undoing Bush's accomplishments. The GOP/neocons have ruled by fear and nothing else. - satanguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5good advice
- Ksilebo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5So wonderfully profound. I could not have said it any better.
- willcode4beer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4how will you know if/when you've won the "war" ?
- GeneralGore, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6"I feel that he's definitely wrong about that because terrorism right now is at its all-time high since 9/11. Everybody wants to be a terrorist and blow something up," one New Yorker told CBS 2 HD.
I see why they chose not to reveal his name. - tobias1482, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4You really worry about your house blowing up? I only ever worry about losing mine to public domain.
- rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Yes, Bloomberg is a Republican on record, but he was a Democrat prior to becoming the NYC mayor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg - bemenaker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Darkciti, are you aware that as you heat steel, it loses it's strength. Simple physics here. At 1600 deg F steel only has about 10% of it's original strength. Now how exactly is that supposed to support the weight of the building?
That's the b1tch about physics, physics is physics. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"It said, "we are coming," and subsequent attempts just prove that it's not over. You can continue to be a badasscat, but be a vigilant one, or else a dead one."
it is fascinating to think that someone could, without being a highly paid talking-head shill or a scumbag politician with a financial motive, actually say such a thing....... - Albionshores, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3What Bloomberg is saying is spot on. In fact its how you should deal with terrorism even it does happen. A little kid throws temper tantrums becuase it gets attention. Like a spoilt kid, stop giving 'terrorism' attention and it shuts up.
Had America had the attitude that it would not change our way of life, our rights. That we won't let it turn us into paranoid shadows of our former selves under a grey iron sky of big government then we wouldn't be having such howlings at the moon like the 'JFK airport' thing - instead in the words of Bloomberg, "we'd have a life."
If extremists believe America oppressive, aggressive and a morally bankrupt society 9/11 was a great opportunity to show them just how wrong they were.
Terrorism is a kid having a tantrum.
Ignore it. - jellygraph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Bloomberg just made a new friend
Thanks for speaking the truth. For once, coming from a politician, that is really remarkable. I guess in these days and with the neo-cons, pretty much _anything_ will impress me. - Albionshores, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"***** you, I have babies.."
What? Is that like, better than a 'full house' but not as good as 'four-of-a-kind' or something.
So what. - etnu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5ZOMG TERRORISTS! QUICK, EVERYONE BURY YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND!!!!
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