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- sullyj, on 10/11/2007, -7/+83"Actually, Bin Ladden's family disowned him a long time ago, and if I remember correctly it was the FBI/ Govt that got them out for fear of their safety."
What do you expect Bin Laden's family to say? Oh yeah we hang out all the time. In fact he is coming to the house this weekend for a BBQ. - david76, on 10/11/2007, -3/+52The article says "The plane was chartered either by the Saudi Arabian royal family or Osama bin Laden,"
That's a pretty significant "or". - TheCaptainJS, on 10/11/2007, -31/+64Actually, Bin Ladden's family disowned him a long time ago, and if I remember correctly it was the FBI/ Govt that got them out for fear of their safety.
How thats connected to a conspiracy theory, I don't know.
Don't get me wrong I think 9/11 should be re-investigated, but lets get real here. That many people keep a secret in this day and age? Yea... Riiiight. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32Don't comment like that with some lame ass looking email signature, you look like a chode. Buried for tilde abuse.
- kwick, on 10/11/2007, -14/+39< yawn >
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -15/+39It would be a lot easier to debate conspiracy theories if most people that talk about them didn't sound like babbling Alex Jones wannabes.
- superfusion, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24There's no question that Bin Laden's brother et al. were given special permission to leave the U.S. after 9/11 and before civilian flights resumed: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html (last entry on the page).
- therightside, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25robin, double your dose and stay off of digg until you turn 16.
- Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19No, it was Iran. Keep up with the times!
- Draco765, on 10/11/2007, -7/+24Just seems odd that they left the states AFTER the events of 9/11. Seems to me if your family is in a place you are about to "attack" you would get them out of there before the event happened.
- AhmedF, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18I'm confused - the bin Ladens are *filthy rich* - why would they need Osama to set anything up for them?
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Why don't you find me some proof of Michael Moore not being right. He had documents and interviews, what do you have?
Also, this comment: The commission also said: "Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights."
If they were members of the "Bin Laden" family, I think that classifies as "one with known links to terrorism". I mean, if they stop a 2 year old from boarding a plane, you'd think they'd ***** stop someone with the last name Bin Laden from boarding, especially just a few days after the "attack". - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14FTA:
" One FBI document referred to a Ryan Air 727 airplane that departed Los Angeles International Airport on September 19, 2001, and was said to have carried Saudi nationals out of the United States.
"The plane was chartered either by the Saudi Arabian royal family or Osama bin Laden," according to the document, which was among 224 pages posted online. ,"
So, one document, among many says that a plane was chartered by either the Suadi royal family or Osama bin Laden. "...either...or..."? It is a choice of two different options, and both could be wrong. How does that translate to "Michael Moore was right! It was an inside job!"
Either Vince Foster killed himself or the Clintons had him killed.
Either Oswald shot Kennedy or the CIA killed him.
Either Fahrenheit 9/11 was a documentary or Moore admitted in numerous articles that he made up things for the movie.
Either actors and pop stars want to save the environment or they drive huge SUVs and fly in private jets. - therightside, on 10/11/2007, -11/+22Uh didnt Moore say that Bush arranged for the Bin Laden family to leave. And now this is saying Bin Laden arranged for his family to leave? How is that the same thing?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Werent they flown out when ALL other Air traffic in the U.S. was grounded? Whoever chartered those flights had an incredible amount of pull with our government
- the6thReplicant, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13mmmm...(rubs chin with fingers of hand). Maaaaybeee, OBL suddenly realised he was going to be framed by the US government so he chartered the planes after 9/11...(continues to rub chin)....to protect his family.....
[BTW, I copyright the above and if Loose Change wants it then they better pay me royalties.]
(rub chins)...or maybe that's what Bush wants us to think. That he planned the whole thing, but in fact Jesus did it (who else can plant explosives and fire missiles at the same time......that's right JESUS!!) because he hates Christians. - theoallardyce, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10They stone people to death and cut their hands off, George Bush kisses their leader on the cheek.
They deny women the right to vote, drive, or even leave without permission, we sell them cutting edge fighter jets.
Their ideology is almost identical to Al'Qaedas in extremism, we consider them our ally in the "war on terror".
They subtly threaten us unless we drop investigations into them(BAE), we apologise to them.
They fund schools that teach hatred and execution in our countries, our governments do nothing.
Departments of our own governments and organisations like Amnesty condemn them for multiple human rights violations of the most serious nature on a yearly basis, our leaders keep a straight face and call them allies.
The Saudi government can do no wrong in the eyes of Britain and America, I challenge anyone to demonstrate otherwise. - meistaiwan, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13good i'm really tired
- haggie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9I'm sure the Federal authorities made the same effort to protect the families of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols after the Oklahoma bombing.....
It may not be a "conspiracy" per se, but it sure smacks of favoritism either by wealth or by connections. - pegasusdba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"although the FBI had heavily redacted the texts to black out names"
A government that has to work in such secrecy is not a government I want! - theoallardyce, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8@courtesyflush
When did I say we should invade Saudi Arabia? - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@lastvisibledog
It is common knowledge that there are some members of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, who (not so) secretly sympathize with Osama Bin Laden, let alone Bin Laden’s own relatives. They should have been interrogated for hours, even days, at a time. We now know (see below) some of them had possessed valuable knowledge. Instead, they were allowed to leave the United States, without being hindered. http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_3664.shtml
And some of those flights took place while commercial traffic in the United States was under shoot-to-kill lockdown!
Who has direct financial ties to an oil, energy and weapons investment group which has raked in $Billions as a result of this War?
The Bin Laden family!
The bin Laden family has very strong ties in the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based investment company focused primarily in the arms, security, and energy industries.
Who was sued by the 9/11 victims family members for complicity in the attacks with a funding network that went directly to the terrorist?
The Saudi Royal Family!
The Saudi Royal Family also has very strong ties to the Carlyle Group, which invests heavily in defense companies and is the nation’s 10th largest defense contractor with ties to Enron, Global Crossing, among others.
Who helped arange the evacuation of members of the Bin Laden Family after 9/11 and defended the Saudis against a lawsuit brought by the 9/11 victims family members?
Osama bin Laden and a man who happens to be the senior counsel for the Carlyle Group!
Carlyle has profited immensely from the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars. Its legal matters are handled by Baker, Botts---James Baker’s law firm in Texas. Mr. Baker also has a personal interest in Carlyle, amounting to some $180 million. Another client of Baker, Botts is Exxon-Mobil.
Who on the morning of September 11th had a investor conference with members of the familys incontrovertibly tied to 9/11?
boomerius said:
"again - Bush heads to war... bin ladens are making money of the weapons industry, into which they have invested greatly..."
The Carlyle Group held an investor conference in the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC on the morning of September 11th, 2001 with members of the Bin Laden family and ect, tied to 9/11.
The Carlyle Group, a Washington, DC based private equity firm that employs numerous former high-ranking government officials with ties to both political parties, was the ninth largest Pentagon contractor between 1998 and 2003, an ongoing Center for Public Integrity investigation into Department of Defense contracts found. According to this report, overall, six private investment firms, including Carlyle, received nearly $14 billion in Pentagon deals between 1998 and 2003. Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia is the top buyer of the U.S. weapons industry, Carlyle’s investment and its stake, and of course Jimmy Baker’s far reaching influence within the Pentagon and congress, everything seems to come together and fit perfectly to shield this foreign interest no matter the price to be paid by the American public.
FBI Special agent Robert Wright broke down when testifying that he had been gagged and could not reveal the true extent of what he knew about the Bush-Bin Laden connection and 911. his lawyer stepped up and said live on C-Span that "The Bush Family vacations with the Bin Ladens".
It was Bush himself who signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating the Bin Ladens before 911.
It was George W Bush who went into business with Bin laden's brother in the 1970s.
It is George W Bush's father who is STILL DOING business with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group.
The ties run deep and all lead to money, huge amounts of money. This is how the Bushes do business, this is how they have always done business, they own the best enemies money can buy.
According to U.S. intelligence reports the Saudi government played a direct role in funding 9/11 and Saudi Arabia has an active role as a player in the nuclear black-market. Also the U.S. State Department’s 2000 Human Rights Report shows Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship that makes Iraq under Saddam Hussein look like Disneyworld.
The Treasury and State Departments have catalogued the Saudi government’s decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
Senator Graham’s Revelation
It has been established that the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship.
In his book, “Intelligence Matters,” Senator Bob Graham made clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties in the House and Senate intelligence committees.
“The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured. The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”
“Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.”
“We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.” - briankoenig03, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@bonhoeffer
Actually, you are absolutely incorrect. The article directly quotes the FBI papers saying the flight was chartered and flew September 19th. Next time RTFA. - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml
There is evidence that Pentagon lied to the 911 Commission. The testimony of 9/11 Commissioners Thomas Kean, Jamie S. Gorelick, Timothy J. Roemer, John J. Farmer, Jr., Max Cleland who each admitted that they were lied to and or purposely deceived. There is evidence that Atta received money from Pakistani intelligence. There is evidence that the wargames interfered with interception of the hijacked planes. It is a fact there is evidence of foreknowledge. There is evidence of motive in the PNAC documents. There is evidence of cover-up. - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@courtesyflush
Senator Graham’s revelation of a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for the terrorists within the Saudi government with a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family with their close ties to the Bin Ladens.
Also the Treasury and State Departments have catalogued the Saudi government’s decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
According to U.S. intelligence reports the Saudi government played a direct role in funding 9/11 and Saudi Arabia has an active role as a player in the nuclear black-market. Also the U.S. State Department’s 2000 Human Rights Report shows Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship that makes Iraq under Saddam Hussein look like Disney world. Plus U.S. intelligence reports and the U.S. Iraq Study Group report as well as Iraqi intelligence reports said Saudis are funding Sunni Arab insurgents and the money is used to buy weapons, including Strelas, Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles. And nearly "ALL" of the shoot downs in Iraq are by Sunni insurgents and Sunni Al-Qaida factions.
The Saudi funded Sunni Arab insurgents has cost the U.S. Taxpayers over 96% of total costs do to damages/destruction of military equipment that are in the billions. Second place is the normal wear and tear + desert sand. Third place is the Shiite insurgents. Forth place is the Taliban.
What more of a “Double standard” can there be than to declare a war on terror to get those who attacked us on 9/11 only to avoid holding to account those most responsible (the Saudi government) and to not only allow them to continue to support, fund and supply the terrorist whom are doing the most killing of Americans (91%) but now even the US government is supporting Sunni Al-Qaida terror cells in Iran. Which means Bush supports terror! - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml
There is evidence that Pentagon lied to the 911 Commission. The testimony of 9/11 Commissioners Thomas Kean, Jamie S. Gorelick, Timothy J. Roemer, John J. Farmer, Jr., Max Cleland who each admitted that they were lied to and or purposely deceived. There is evidence that Atta received money from Pakistani intelligence. There is evidence that the wargames interfered with interception of the hijacked planes. It is a fact there is evidence of foreknowledge. There is evidence of motive in the PNAC documents. There is evidence of cover-up. - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@pegasusdba
Good point! But also keep in mind that some believe only what the MSM says.
But look at what the MSM ignores even though it is admitted by the government and documented about Cheney and Rumsfeld being involved in the chemical weapons and drug tests on US Soldiers in 1974 and 1975 at Edgewood Arsenal Md that violated the Nuremberg Code of 1947 they are to busy to deal with "real issues" WMD not in Iraq and Cheney lies and evidence links Saddam to Al Qaeda BS they refuse to look at real stories 7120 men used in CIA/Army experiments and 40% are already dead 2098 men and of the 4022 survivors 54% or 2200 men are disabled and no one will look at it why was it wrong for Saddam to use WMD and okay for Cheney and Rumsfeld to authorize their use on american soldiers in the 70"s? - meistaiwan, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10Yeah buddy, he's a Republicrat, right? He's part of the system, but not like you and me. We know. Oh yeah, we know. We're know the truth. Don't we?
/sarcasm - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@lastvisibledog
The Treasury and State Departments have catalogued the Saudi government’s decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
Senator Graham’s Revelation
It has been established that the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship.
In his book, “Intelligence Matters,” Senator Bob Graham made clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties in the House and Senate intelligence committees.
“The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured. The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”
“Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.”
“We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.”
According to U.S. intelligence reports the Saudi government played a direct role in funding 9/11 and Saudi Arabia has an active role as a player in the nuclear black-market. Also the U.S. State Department’s 2000 Human Rights Report shows Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship that makes Iraq under Saddam Hussein look like Disneyworld. - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@STKD
It is common knowledge that there are some members of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, who (not so) secretly sympathize with Osama Bin Laden, let alone Bin Laden’s own relatives. They should have been interrogated for hours, even days, at a time. We now know (see below) some of them had possessed valuable knowledge. Instead, they were allowed to leave the United States, without being hindered. http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_3664.shtml
And some of those flights took place while commercial traffic in the United States was under shoot-to-kill lockdown!
One of the things FBI "Whistle Blower" Sibel Edmonds is talking about in regards to her case is that government officials in our government not only knew about Al-Qaida before 9/11 but even gave them training, (military specialized training at that) intelligence and logistical support as well as sold them weapons and not just any weapons but even nuclear technology and this was being finaced through the drug trade which was protected by the US government.
This case is not allegation, it’s not a case that needs to be investigated, that has already been done. Even the Dept of Justice’s own Inspector General’s Office has put out a report vindicating the case. We have had bipartisan congressional statements saying that this is credible, and absolutely confirming it. So this is not taking something that is unknown.
If you research the evidence and yes there is ALOT of hard evidence! Documents, wiretaps, and a bunch of agents who were in charge of the counter-intelligence operations who are willing to testify.
And if that's not enough, this has all been investigated and proven already in multiple forums.
The evidence has been deemed credible by Senators Grassley and Leahy, Congressman Waxman and the Inspector General. Furthermore, the Bush Administration's reaction to much of the evidence, the excessive use of secrecy and national security to call evidence that was in the public domain before they clasified it shows us the U.S. government takes the evidence seriously. They have tried to gag those in congress that heard and have seen the evidence.
Now two more FBI whistleblowers confirm and support Sibel Edmonds but the actions were covered up by the Department of Justice and the Attorney General’s office.
Near 40 civil liberties and whistleblowers organizations have joined Edmonds and NSWBC in urging congress to hold public hearing on Edmonds’ case, including the supporting cases of SA Graham and other FBI witnesses, and the erroneous use of state secrets privilege by the executive branch to cover up its own illegal conduct.
Everyone involved has motive to cover up these reports and prevent investigation and public disclosure. No wonder they invoked the state secrets privilege in Edmonds’ case.
The inconvenient knowledge for lesser high-co-conspirators, means, if you come forward, you were harrased, lose your job- escpecially in a climate of fear and suppression Even if there are confidants, that does not mean they talk openly about it (see 3rd Reich).
You can keep them silenced with fear or the bogus “national security” and gag them”
Like they did with Sibel Edmonds. When her case went to the appeals court, they excluded the press from the court, and they excluded even Sibel and her attorneys from the court --- even though they were supposedly hearing their case --- they wouldn’t let her defense attorneys hear what the prosecution was going to say --- so it’s a bizarre use of this privilege, not just to take a piece of information out of a trial, but to kill a trial entirely.
Dont wait for the MSM to tell you about it do some research and contact your Rep ASAP for an investigation! You can call Waxman at (202-225-3976 ) and Conyers at (202-225-5126) and demand open public hearings into Sibel’s case. Let’s defend our country against all enemies - not foreign,, but also domestic! Take that two minutes, maybe less than two minutes, and call!
If you dont it will be buried for years. The Manhattan Project had over 120,000 peole who kept it so secret that not even the vice president new of it. The NSA was a secret nearly 40 years. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident over 40 years Operation Gladio took almost 50 years and etc..
http://digg.com/politics/Some_members_of_PNAC_AIPAC_will_be_thrown_in_jail_for_treason_says_witness - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@AhmedF
It was not about money but Osama bin Laden's connections that made it happen. Rermember some of those flights took place while commercial traffic in the United States was under shoot-to-kill lockdown!
Who helped arange the evacuation of members of the Bin Laden Family after 9/11 and defended the Saudis against a lawsuit brought by the 9/11 victims family members?
Osama bin Laden and a man who happens to be the senior counsel for the Carlyle Group!
Who has direct financial ties to an oil, energy and weapons investment group which has raked in $Billions as a result of this War?
The Bin Laden family!
The bin Laden family has very strong ties in the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based investment company focused primarily in the arms, security, and energy industries.
Who was sued by the 9/11 victims family members for complicity in the attacks with a funding network that went directly to the terrorist?
The Saudi Royal Family!
The Saudi Royal Family also has very strong ties to the Carlyle Group, which invests heavily in defense companies and is the nation’s 10th largest defense contractor with ties to Enron, Global Crossing, among others.
Carlyle has profited immensely from the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars. Its legal matters are handled by Baker, Botts---James Baker’s law firm in Texas. Mr. Baker also has a personal interest in Carlyle, amounting to some $180 million. Another client of Baker, Botts is Exxon-Mobil.
Who on the morning of September 11th had a investor conference with members of the familys incontrovertibly tied to 9/11?
boomerius said:
"again - Bush heads to war... bin ladens are making money of the weapons industry, into which they have invested greatly..."
The Carlyle Group held an investor conference in the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC on the morning of September 11th, 2001 with members of the Bin Laden family and ect, tied to 9/11.
The Carlyle Group, a Washington, DC based private equity firm that employs numerous former high-ranking government officials with ties to both political parties, was the ninth largest Pentagon contractor between 1998 and 2003, an ongoing Center for Public Integrity investigation into Department of Defense contracts found. According to this report, overall, six private investment firms, including Carlyle, received nearly $14 billion in Pentagon deals between 1998 and 2003. Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia is the top buyer of the U.S. weapons industry, Carlyle’s investment and its stake, and of course Jimmy Baker’s far reaching influence within the Pentagon and congress, everything seems to come together and fit perfectly to shield this foreign interest no matter the price to be paid by the American public.
FBI Special agent Robert Wright broke down when testifying that he had been gagged and could not reveal the true extent of what he knew about the Bush-Bin Laden connection and 911. his lawyer stepped up and said live on C-Span that "The Bush Family vacations with the Bin Ladens".
It was Bush himself who signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating the Bin Ladens before 911.
It was George W Bush who went into business with Bin laden's brother in the 1970s.
It is George W Bush's father who is STILL DOING business with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group.
The ties run deep and all lead to money, huge amounts of money. This is how the Bushes do business, this is how they have always done business, they own the best enemies money can buy. - nricciar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5yep...
"The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8."
you can read more about it here at http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml - UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Osama didn't try to overthrow his family *****. His family is wealthy from their investments and construction company. They are not in government. They (read: his family) disowns him publicly b/c that wouldn't be good for Prince Bandar and the Saudi government nor would it look good to the American People since they fund alot of Dubya's business ventures.
- honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6It is common knowledge that there are some members of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, who (not so) secretly sympathize with Osama Bin Laden, let alone Bin Laden’s own relatives. They should have been interrogated for hours, even days, at a time. We now know (see below) some of them had possessed valuable knowledge. Instead, they were allowed to leave the United States, without being hindered. http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_3664.shtml
And some of those flights took place while commercial traffic in the United States was under shoot-to-kill lockdown!
Who has direct financial ties to an oil, energy and weapons investment group which has raked in $Billions as a result of this War?
The Bin Laden family!
The bin Laden family has very strong ties in the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based investment company focused primarily in the arms, security, and energy industries.
Who was sued by the 9/11 victims family members for complicity in the attacks with a funding network that went directly to the terrorist?
The Saudi Royal Family!
The Saudi Royal Family also has very strong ties to the Carlyle Group, which invests heavily in defense companies and is the nation’s 10th largest defense contractor with ties to Enron, Global Crossing, among others.
Who helped arange the evacuation of members of the Bin Laden Family after 9/11 and defended the Saudis against a lawsuit brought by the 9/11 victims family members?
Osama bin Laden and a man who happens to be the senior counsel for the Carlyle Group!
Carlyle has profited immensely from the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars. Its legal matters are handled by Baker, Botts---James Baker’s law firm in Texas. Mr. Baker also has a personal interest in Carlyle, amounting to some $180 million. Another client of Baker, Botts is Exxon-Mobil.
Who on the morning of September 11th had a investor conference with members of the familys incontrovertibly tied to 9/11?
boomerius said:
"again - Bush heads to war... bin ladens are making money of the weapons industry, into which they have invested greatly..."
The Carlyle Group held an investor conference in the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC on the morning of September 11th, 2001 with members of the Bin Laden family and ect, tied to 9/11.
The Carlyle Group, a Washington, DC based private equity firm that employs numerous former high-ranking government officials with ties to both political parties, was the ninth largest Pentagon contractor between 1998 and 2003, an ongoing Center for Public Integrity investigation into Department of Defense contracts found. According to this report, overall, six private investment firms, including Carlyle, received nearly $14 billion in Pentagon deals between 1998 and 2003. Considering the fact that Saudi Arabia is the top buyer of the U.S. weapons industry, Carlyle’s investment and its stake, and of course Jimmy Baker’s far reaching influence within the Pentagon and congress, everything seems to come together and fit perfectly to shield this foreign interest no matter the price to be paid by the American public.
FBI Special agent Robert Wright broke down when testifying that he had been gagged and could not reveal the true extent of what he knew about the Bush-Bin Laden connection and 911. his lawyer stepped up and said live on C-Span that "The Bush Family vacations with the Bin Ladens".
It was Bush himself who signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating the Bin Ladens before 911.
It was George W Bush who went into business with Bin laden's brother in the 1970s.
It is George W Bush's father who is STILL DOING business with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group.
The ties run deep and all lead to money, huge amounts of money. This is how the Bushes do business, this is how they have always done business, they own the best enemies money can buy.
According to U.S. intelligence reports the Saudi government played a direct role in funding 9/11 and Saudi Arabia has an active role as a player in the nuclear black-market. Also the U.S. State Department’s 2000 Human Rights Report shows Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship that makes Iraq under Saddam Hussein look like Disneyworld.
The Treasury and State Departments have catalogued the Saudi government’s decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
Senator Graham’s Revelation
It has been established that the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship.
In his book, “Intelligence Matters,” Senator Bob Graham made clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties in the House and Senate intelligence committees.
“The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured. The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”
“Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.”
“We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.” - UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Then why are there conflicting and factual documents from a government agency, the FBI? You think the (botched) group investigating 9/11 is lying or the actual FBI documentation?
- honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@viperdaimao
The Treasury and State Departments have catalogued the Saudi government’s decades of support for Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
Senator Graham’s Revelation
It has been established that the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship.
In his book, “Intelligence Matters,” Senator Bob Graham made clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties in the House and Senate intelligence committees.
“The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured. The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”
“Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.”
“We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.” - briankoenig03, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7haha "EDUCATED YOURSELVES"....too funny.
- rhoadesb, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7"Don't get me wrong I think 9/11 should be re-investigated, but lets get real here. That many people keep a secret in this day and age? Yea... Riiiight."
I believe "that many people" can indeed keep any secret the powers that be wish to be kept.
If one slips up, deliberately talks, etc. then what will be said is one of several things by propaganda folks like "they are lairs", they are crazy", "they are wrong", or variations thereof. Repeated often enough in media, and there you are, secret kept.
If more drastic measures are needed, one might have one's life threatened, or in fact taken, (usually these are "accidents"). Another good tool is simply threatening their life, or family members lives. Again, secret kept. - honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4#1 The FBI’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission revealed that the largest overseas money transfer the terrorists received had come from the UAE, for $70,000 to Mohamed Atta. A copy of the money transfer was projected overhead but the FBI didn’t point out to the Commission the significance of the address where the money was wired to: 201 Nokomis in Venice, the address of the Kwik-Check owned by "Makram Chams" a consultant for an American defense contractor and an FBI informant. The Kwik-Check was where many of the alleged hijackers and even Zacharias Moussaoui would visit according witnesses for the FBI.
#2 The defense contractor---convenience store owner---FBI informant (Makram Chams) who abandoned the mini-market on 9/11 (it has stood vacant since) now works in Saudi Arabia where he landed a $5 million contract in Riyadh for Surebeam with the Saudi Bin Laden Group.
#3 Two of the alleged hijackers lived with a FBI informant in counter-terrorism specializing in Arabic terrorist.
#4 The DEA were secretly conducting an investigation of drug smuggling from the same apartment building that Atta and was staying at which was located right by the flight school.
#5 The same month after Mohamed Atta arrived to attend his flight school in Venice, Huffman Aviation, the owner of that flight school, Wallace J. Hilliard, had his Lear jet (N351WB) confiscated on a runway at Orlando Executive Airport by DEA agents who found 43 pound of Bin Laden’s best uncut Al Qaeda heroin on board. (It was, said the Orlando Sentinel, the "biggest drug bust in Central Florida history")
#6 That jet that belonged to terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard’s company Lear (N351WB) was leased to Jeb Bush (before, during and after the drug bust) for FREE! And speaking of free, the pilot and every one else got off scot-free!
#7 Some of the alleged hijackers where trained by our military specialized training at that. Mohamed Atta had attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala. In addition, Abdulaziz Alomari had attended Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force base in Texas, they reported, and Saeed Alghamdi had been to the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, California. In March 1997, Saeed Alghamdi listed the address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile; five months later he used it again to register a second vehicle, a late model Buick. Drivers licenses thought to have been issued to the other two suspects list the barracks as their residences.
Military records also matched the addresses given by the alleged hijackers on their licenses and registrations which were the same addresses of where residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. Their training was paid for by Saudi Arabia as part of the long-standing agreement with Saudi Arabia -- a key ally in the 1990-91 gulfwar -- to train pilots for its National Guard.
#8 The fact that the consultant for the defense contractor--convenience store owner--FBI informant was also partners in a firm with terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard who had (with the firm) mob connected partners whom through the firm owned a casino boat.
#9 A casino boat that some of the patsies had been identified as having visited owned also by Jack Abramoff.
#10 The fact that the CEO of the firm in partnership was a Tom Delay appointee and that the firm claims to specialize in counter-terrorism
This is just a few of hundreds I can go on and on and on. Research this please. If you have questions just ask. All of this and MUCH more is out there for you to learn. - joshmaddox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4ok so sorry i was on wrong on them leaving the country on the day of 9/11 but the Bush Administration did have them gathered up during flight restrictions, they just didnt leave the country until the ban was lifted... either way they were still flying around the country while a ban was in place. ohh an btw islanddog its people like you who are ruining the freedoms of this country judging everyone as conspiracists before you have the slightest clue why they question the issues... Havnt you ever wandered why out of the thousands of video tapes and surveillance videos confiscated by the FBI and other groups...
less than 10 has ever been released????
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34405 - HypocriteDigg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Pretty sad when a Star Wars baby stroller gets more diggs than this.
- honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@retsep
Most air traffic resumed on the 14th! There were some "special" flights on the 13th!
"The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml
The BIG news about the later flights is that they were aranged by Osama bin Laden! - generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+428 redacted pages later...
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/report.html - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The argument that a large conspiracy can not be suppressded from the public is false. A curious footnote to American history suggests that, except for the personal integrity of a remarkable American general, a coup d'état intended to remove President Franklin D. Roosevelt from office in 1934 might have plunged America into civil war.
Google McCormack-Dickstein Committee
And almost no American knew about it then or even now. Perhaps there is NO conspiracy with the Bin Laden's family and perhaps it was a very simple matter of moving innocent parties away from possible danger by vigilantes seeking revenge. Let's remember that after 9-11 there was many incidents of threats and attacks on Muslims, Arabs and people who could be confused with with Muslims. One case that I know of a Indian boy was attacked by several men with sticks because they thought is was a Muslim. The boy was almost killed and had to spend months in a hospital. The attackers were arrested, released and never prosecuted. - UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3How were they threatened? No-one knew it was ***** Osama or Al-Queda until at least a few days later.
- rhoadesb, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5There are other ways too. Oaths, misplaced loyalties, bribes, etc.. Lots of way to keep folks mouths shut, and Joe Citizen believing what is desired.
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Source?
- honestjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Wouldnt that have made his entire family look guilty? Then Bush would not have been able to keep doing buisness with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group.
The bin Ladens have direct financial ties to an oil, energy and weapons investment group which has raked in $Billions as a result of this War!
The Bin Laden family has very strong ties in the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based investment company focused primarily in the arms, security, and energy industries. - sodade, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7@joshmaddox
"and ***** dirty Christians filth trash...someone needs to stop those damn Christians before they bring America down."
Poorly stated, but the base premise it very true. American Christianity is certainly one root cause for the coming fall. -
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