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- XedLos, on 08/03/2008, -14/+494Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woxu5dwCSX0
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA3QdvY9rQ - kirbs2001, on 08/03/2008, -29/+423so... what are you saying? The war didnt work?
- CoolHandLuke70, on 08/04/2008, -47/+394But we are there to bring freedom and democracy?......I understand that despite the fact that Saddam was a despot dictator who even went to great lengths to have his people educated, with Baghdad having the highest per capita number of Ph.ds for any city in the world in the late eighties, that the Iraqis had food, electricity, water, medical care BUT just wait when they get their freedom and democracy in 10 to 20 years!! McCain will be there leading the parade in his golden wheelchair provided to him from Tel Aviv I am sure! Folks, from 1900 to present time, the U.S. has involved it's military in the affairs of over 70 countries. With each account the U.S. has declared that it was providing "democracy" to said country. It has a very poor record of being successful. In fact, maybe a handful of countries, and I am being generous, have come out the better for it. All of them have been left with an infrastructure that supports the corporate/fascistic striving of the rich U.S. elite! Think about this! Wake up and quit being fooled!
- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -34/+255More than 1.5 million civilians from Iraq and Afghanistan have been murdered. On lies. America was deceived and manipulated to trick us into "war" (hostile corporate takeover) in the middle east. With no end in sight. Over 4.5 million refugees displaced and homeless, the largest refugee problem in recent history. Families torn apart. Over 4000 (accounted for..) US troops and service people killed. Entire towns, villages, and civilian population centers destroyed, bombed to a bloody pool of broken bones and desecrated body parts. Is this "liberation"? is this "freedom'??
Whenever the lying government declares "war" on something, you can be rest assured it's a scam of monumental proportion. Americans cannot teach "freedom" and "democracy" to the world until they restore their own. - P1um, on 08/04/2008, -36/+192***** bush
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..................................., - inactive, on 08/04/2008, -16/+121Divide and conquer. The thing about this strategy is that is will act as a pressure cooker with a faulty lid.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Does any of this sound familiar?
http://www.examiner.com/a-1423820~Lanier_plans_to_ ... - bunnyandzombie, on 08/04/2008, -25/+128How do you win a war that has no end goal?
George W. Bush is a criminal. - newstart, on 08/04/2008, -14/+92And then we wonder why the world hates America.
I ask each one you... who gave us the rights to do this to their country?? - mrsammercer, on 08/04/2008, -12/+85Nazi Germany was invading autonomous European countries left and right. They were literally on the verge of conquering the continent. There is no comparison to what the Nazis did and what any other dictator or nation has done since.
- Berkana, on 08/04/2008, -4/+76The sick thing about this whole mess is that the right wing is willfully blind to the suffering of people. You see crass shirts like this being marketed with obstinate pride:
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/80377
Some even proudly declare "Made in the USA!" Sickening. - jordanlgta, on 08/04/2008, -8/+73FatCheeseGuy fails.
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -14/+78This is real journalism. I am so ashamed of my own country and what we've done to them. Disgusting.
- Lynx55, on 08/04/2008, -27/+86Another notch in Bush's belt....and another crime added to his list that he will eventually be tried for. Believe it,and work towards that end.
- lethaloption, on 08/04/2008, -15/+73A lot of people have died in Iraq.... And what for exactly? Though I'm a conservative - other than for the U.S. to claim dominion over middle eastern oil - what exactly has been accomplished there? Free the iraqis? Give me a break that's the most ignorant, ignorant, ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life. To protect the U.S. from terrorism by creating more hatred against our swaggering empire building attitude? Please.... the Iraqi war is a joke and the joke is on the families of those serving. G*%#amn shame!!!!
- ElSpaniard, on 08/04/2008, -4/+53I didn't see one American soldier in that video.
Where they at? - kss42, on 08/04/2008, -9/+56As long as the submitter is American, there is no grammatical or contextual error in using "we." He refers to himself and other Americans, not himself and other Digg users. In fact, it was you who made a false assumption, when you assumed that you were part of his "we." Do you follow?
- visionaryIX, on 08/04/2008, -13/+59I'm going to post this, even if it'll be about as popular as John McCain here and get buried to hell.
Generally, I agree with nonintervention. Whats confusing me though, is where we draw the line at what happens before we intervene with a military. Take WWII. There's pretty much no doubt that the Nazi's had to be defeated, but when you look at the persecutions and atrocities committed then, weren't there some comparisons to Saddam Hussein and Iraq? He murdered hundreds of thousands of Kurds. Economic sanctions won't remove a dictator, and will only punish the civilians further.
If we look to Zimbabwe and Sudan, there's horrible, horrible things going on. I don't think an invasion would solve a single problem, but economic sanctions sure as hell aren't either.
Should we really only consider an invasion when our livelihood is at stake? Is that a bit selfish? - JigoroKano, on 08/04/2008, -7/+51Saddam was neither purely evil nor purely good. If you challenged his power in any way he would have you killed, but at the same time he did provide the country with an infrastructure, health, and education courtesy of oil profits. He also gave women far more rights than they have now in their democracy. He even got an award from UNESCO.
Saddam gassed Kurd rebels right? The U.S. just helped Turkey bomb Kurd rebels. What moral authority does the U.S. have here? - cutchyacokov, on 08/04/2008, -8/+52Not the whole country, just the government . . . . and, actually, not the whole government either. Just the asshats responsible for this atrocious war.
- lethaloption, on 08/04/2008, -2/+46It's amazing how all wars have an underlying 'theme' of honor and bullshi... this one started out about weapons of mass destruction..... then overthrowing a ruthless dictator..... then making iraq 'safe' for democracy... Safe for which corporation is a better question...
- obliviousfool, on 08/04/2008, -2/+46I agree. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman, or watch the War on Democracy. The pattern is pretty clear.
- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -4/+47& we wonder why they despise us...
We still wonder why they aren't exactly fond of Americans.
Imagine if a country did that to us, to America. We'd have nuclear armageddon tomorrow. We would be calling for their immediate extinction. And not a moment too soon.
It's "OK" when the war profiteering US government cabal does that to foreign nations and their land, their people though. Especially the puny nations who don't have a huge "state of the art" technologically advanced "shock & awe" "precision strikes" army to fight back.
The cowardly chickenhawk administration would NEVER go up against a big strong country with a real military like Russia or North Korea or Europe and their armies right. They always pick on the 'little guy.' The impoverished goat herders hobbling along in the barren desert. The villages of men, women and children living below their means. The dirt-poor who can barely make it from week to week. That's the stuff PNAC manifesto chickenhawk cowards are made of. Ship other peoples kids off to foreign lands to die or become maimed for life to make rich people richer. It has nothing to do with "keeping us safe" that's a lie we've been marketed like robotic lemmings. Endless war profits for the defense industry, military industrial complex and central bankers. The US government has built it's own 'enemies' since the 1980's. The administration was 'friends' with the Taliban in Afghanistan until they told us they would not build the oil pipeline we wanted them to. The rest is his-tory.
"With CIA backing, the ISI has developed, since the early 1980s, into a parallel structure, a state within a state, with staff and informers estimated by some at 150,000. It wields enormous power over all aspects of government. The case of Ahmed confirms that parts of the ISI directly supported and financed al-Ciada, and it has long been established that the ISI has acted as go-between in intelligence operations on behalf of the CIA."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/22/usa.se ...
When they do it, it's terrorism. When we do it, it's 'fighting for freedom and the greater good of all humankind promoting democracy throughout the universe' etc. Never mind the millions of human lives murdered, the 4000+ US troops slaughtered, the 4.5 million displaced refugees, broken families, massacred men, women and children. The slaughtered pets and animals, the desecrated countrysides that once flourished, the maimed children, DU poisoning, Sewage everywhere, destroyed villages, entire cities and towns bombed to a smoldering pulp, the rotting flesh along the wayside. The "surge" is working!
935 lies about Iraq War
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
And people still think they told us the 100% honest truth about 9/11???? *****... - duncanm, on 08/04/2008, -5/+47America isn't a democracy; its a global corporation. The minority shareholders are Americans and they each get a single vote for the Board of Directors (aka Presidential Administration). Like all corporations, their purpose is to maximize the profitability of the Executive Board, Board of Directors, etc. and other primary Stakeholders. It is through this that the corporation operates upon the charade of a democracy so as to maximize their overall control, power and executive profitability.
- cobophers, on 08/04/2008, -2/+37Thanks for putting those up. I wrote a report in college on the public health infrastructure in Iraq post invasion. We knocked their society back into a third world nation. But freedom isn't free right??.....(silence) right guys!!!????....(silence).......sigh. Oh look, My Super Sweet 16 is on.
- cutchyacokov, on 08/04/2008, -7/+41Moral:
One ASCII is enough, often more then enough, for any comment. - Iggins, on 08/04/2008, -11/+45You know it's bad when people say they preferred it when Saddam was in charge.....
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -14/+48Looks like the U.S. really did a great job! It looks exactly like any town in the Midwest right?
What a F'''''g joke! We put up WALLS to make it seem like the killing has stopped? Send Bush and his friend down their in their underwear and leave them.. Worst president, presidency and outcome ever.. they deserved to be court marshaled and excecuted! - malex, on 08/04/2008, -4/+37You have valid questions, and this is poor forum for indepth discussion. Let's suffice to say that even if Bush's motives were altruistic and all for the good of the Iraqi people (and there is considerable evidence that they were not) his administration consistently made the wrong choices time after time, and the nation is worse off than ever.
If you have any spare time tomorrow, go to your local library and pick up a book or two about the conflict. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, "The Assassin's Gate" by George Packer is particularly good. (Packer was a strong supporter of intervention when the war began, by the way.) - steveoco, on 08/04/2008, -46/+79I'm sick of all these Digg articles which use the word 'we' to describe Americans. Please refrain from labeling all of us non Americans here on Digg Americans... it is insulting.
- GrandmaSheila, on 08/04/2008, -14/+46In addition to the blessings of "freedom" and "democracy", don't forget the little extra gift that keeps on giving that we have so freely distributed to the Iraqi people, Depleted Uranium contamination. That's two billion years worth of loving remembrances of the US occupation. And of course, our troops are poisoned by it too. This nasty little subject isn't discussed much either, but I suspect that will change soon, since that too constitutes a "war crime".
- gustoheat, on 08/04/2008, -2/+33Feel free to shoot me down Americans, I am but a humble British guy...
I can see how people may find these T-shirts etc funny in a kind of tounge in cheek way, but what I really find odd is that some of these Americans wearing these shirts don't even understand what it means. We all hate to hear about our soldiers getting killed no matter what country they are from, but it seems wearing this t-shirt is like saying "Hey, I don't know about you guys, but I'm willing to send our young men to risk their lives so I can drive a big car!"
And just to make this post a bit more P.C. I send this same sentiment on to British people too.
People still do not know what this war is about! - AeroMerde, on 08/04/2008, -13/+43Definitely worth watching. A powerful, interesting look at Iraq.
It saddens me to see how the Shiite/Sunni hatred has done so much damage to their own country when Saddam ceased to be able to control the militias. That is something that should have been forseen and considered before an invasion was contemplated.
It's also sad (part 3) to see them indoctrinating children from a young age, abusing the deaths of their parents (at the hands of those same people, no doubt) for their own needs. - toshibu, on 08/04/2008, -4/+31How many people has George Bush killed? Does a million Iraqis qualify him as a "mass murderer"? Or is that title reserved for the non-white despots?
- Lucas123, on 08/04/2008, -2/+29So what the documentary is saying is that the Iraqi people can't live in peace unless they're ruled by a dictator because large groups of the population will contantly be trying to kill each other.
- gravityboard, on 08/04/2008, -2/+29I don't think you get it...
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -15/+42I guess this belongs here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cgUqDmsVlM
Note: Yes, the DU genetic damage manifests in the offspring or even second generation of those exposed and not the exposed themselves. Those first exposed would be from 1991 -- the beginning of *Daddy's War* of which, the current conflict is just an extention. - DiggRage, on 08/04/2008, -6/+33Maybe if humanity starting thinking of itself as we, instead of us against them, or our country against theirs... oh never mind.
- inactive, on 08/04/2008, -21/+48How do the stupidest people become the leaders of the free world?
I'm really starting to consider all of us just brain dead. - Kakemonstere, on 08/04/2008, -11/+37Im getting tired that the people from the US blames on their government! It's as much your guys fault as much as the government because you didnt control it!
- Evolve, on 08/04/2008, -5/+30"The man was a mass murderer responsible for the mass genocide of thousands of people."
The US is responsible for more deaths in the middle east than Saddam.
Just because one side exchanges blows under the facade of "democracy" does not mean it is right.
I'm not saying Saddam was good/evil, you just need to acknowledge that no side is any better than the other. - obliviousfool, on 08/04/2008, -4/+28External? Wtf? No one is complaining about external exposure.
When DU munitions explode, the Uranium (which becomes very flammable at high temperatures) vaporizes. The particles in this vapor become smaller than wavelengths of light! they can spread everywhere, in the air, in the food, in the water - still maintaining their radioactivity!
That vapor, those particles are the problem, you idiot.
Please stop posting anything on the internet until you grow a brain. - xlneoMAXlx, on 08/04/2008, -6/+29How the ***** are we supposed to control our government? No one ***** listens to us you dumb *****.
- benroy, on 08/04/2008, -9/+32Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The entire Bush family deserves to be dropped off in one of these neighborhoods with their hands bound and bags over their heads.
Or at least hide an IED in W's bathroom. - LiberalKid, on 08/04/2008, -5/+26Who needs to feel remorse when you can just be a dick!
- twiztidsinz, on 08/04/2008, -0/+20It never was...
- cutchyacokov, on 08/04/2008, -2/+22It should be pointed out that the US sold Saddam the gas he used against the Kurdish people and stood beside him during the worst of his atrocities. This has also happened in Turkey and Columbia, probably many more countries. Did you know that Iran was an emerging democracy when the US supported/conducted a coups and installed the Shah (another atrocious authoritarian dictator.) This directly led to the rebellion that saw the Ayatollahs gain power. The US creates many of it's own worst enemies and I fear Iraq may become the worst yet.
- malex, on 08/04/2008, -2/+22_That's_ your counter argument?
For Christ's sake, just watch the video. If you still want to say this war was necessary or noble, go ahead... but don't act like Bush's incompetence hasn't landed these people in a world of *****. - biotch, on 08/04/2008, -2/+21wait.... besides afghanistan, arent we the ones who pointed the "AK" at them first?
- lethaloption, on 08/04/2008, -2/+21right on right on
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