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................f`-,………`-,/…*-,___,,-~*….,-*……|…`-,………. - localzuk, on 11/17/2007, -3/+92So let me get this straight. The government can run a program of wire-tapping against its people, apparently contrary to law but as soon as someone tries to take them to court over it, the evidence they could use against it cannot be used as it is a state secret as it reveals details of the program?? Doesn't that mean that anything the government does illegally can't be taken to court if they say it involves state secrets?
- DEFSMAC, on 11/17/2007, -2/+68AT&T. Your World. Delivered. To the NSA.
- Groovemaster, on 11/17/2007, -6/+64It's very thoughtful of these guys to put on a show in an attempt to make it look like America isn't a dictatorship.
I think if the average American realized how truly corrupt their political system is, the entire nation would stink for weeks after the ensuing pant-crapping extravaganza. - lhbaker, on 11/17/2007, -13/+56Using 'BREAKING' in the the title is like stamping the word 'FRESH' on a bread wrapper. Two years from now, it will still say 'FRESH.'
- GRTWHT, on 11/17/2007, -3/+45Ding, ding, ding, WE HAVE A WINNER!
- clearzen, on 11/17/2007, -2/+31There is a quote I've always liked. Basically if you have a problem with the government
First you go to the soapbox,
then you go to the ballot box,
then finally you go to the ammo box. - TheChihuahua, on 11/17/2007, -1/+27Your United States.
- lohphat, on 11/17/2007, -1/+24Can someone explain to me why I learned in school that the way the East Germans and the Soviets treated their people was reprehensible and this is OK?
- Napoleone, on 11/17/2007, -6/+28The court didn't block a challenge, it disallowed certain evidence to come in.
- tybris, on 11/17/2007, -1/+21I try to avoid it, but ASCII art like this just deserves a digg.
- PHiZ187, on 11/17/2007, -2/+21Apparently. And it makes me sick and scared.
- atheinostic, on 11/17/2007, -0/+18Not to mention, the government actually provided them with the evidence to begin with.
- jackal42, on 11/17/2007, -1/+16What isn't a ***** state secret these days.
"your not allowed to talk about breakfast ceral because it a state secret andthe terrorists could use against you/us" - Look4Truth, on 11/17/2007, -0/+15Funny how they want access to all of our information but don't want to reciprocate anything.
- hiphoc, on 11/17/2007, -0/+15Google Sibel Edmonds. She had the State Secrets ***** slapped on her and she is not allowed to speak to congress or the press. 1st amendment anyone? Is anyone starting to figure out that this war on terror is realy aimed at us? I mean, Bush says he doesnt care where Osama is, and he is signing laws that call the US Citezen terrorists.
- realwx, on 11/17/2007, -8/+22It's not breaking if this was 23 hours (or so) ago.
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..................................., - ussoldier, on 11/17/2007, -2/+16There is no legal justification for 'state secrets'. Define the state. Who is the state. Can you show me the state? Can we bring the state in for questioning? If the state were to disappear today, would anything physical vanish? The state is a fiction. There is no state. There are only people, individuals, mafia thugs with radios and guns.
- tybris, on 11/17/2007, -0/+13but not the second time
- krnldmp, on 11/17/2007, -1/+13The correct response is mad as hell.
- localzuk, on 11/17/2007, -4/+16As it reveals details of the program... Doesn't that kind of mean they blocked the challenge, as the only way to mount such a challenge is by presenting evidence which reveals the illegal activities - which according to the govt. are state secrets?
- principle, on 11/17/2007, -1/+13If telecoms are ever found guilty of violations of FISA, then under FISA Sect 1809 they will have to pay fines up to $10,000, and spend up to five years in jail, or both plus damages to each plaintiff of not less than $1,000 or $100 per day. In addition, that statute authorizes punitive damages and an award of attorney's fees. Given that, a lawsuit could involve all citizens of the U.S. the fines could be astronomical.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/us ... - demonsnake69, on 11/17/2007, -1/+13Wouldn't terrorists already assume that they're being spied on? It's not like they're going to go, "gee, before I blow this place up let me order some bomb-making components over the phone."
From the article:
"The Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a charity in Oregon, had perhaps the best evidence of anyone that it had been a target of the wiretapping program, based on a top secret document mistakenly given to the group in 2004."
Just in case anyone here is defending this program, do you folks really want someone who accidentally leaks information to the target of a wiretap? - notque, on 11/17/2007, -2/+13I.F. Stone: "The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing -- for the sheer fun and joy of it -- to go right ahead and fight, knowing you're going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to enjoy it."
Howard Zinn: "People think there must be some magical tactic, beyond the traditional ones -- protests, demonstrations, vigils, civil disobedience -- but there is no magical panacea, only persistence."
Noam Chomsky: "There are no magic answers, no miraculous methods to overcome the problems we face, just the familiar ones: honest search for understanding, education, organization, action that raises the cost of state violence for its perpetrators or that lays the basis for institutional change -- and the kind of commitment that will persist despite the temptations of disillusionment, despite many failures and only limited successes, inspired by the hope of a brighter future."
Sam Smith: "Those who think history has left us helpless should recall the abolitionist of 1830, the feminist of 1870, the labor organizer of 1890, and the gay or lesbian writer of 1910. They, like us, did not get to choose their time in history but they, like us, did get to choose what they did with it. Knowing what we know now about how these things turned out, but also knowing how long it took, would we have been abolitionists in 1830, or feminists in 1870, and so on?" - inactive, on 11/17/2007, -2/+12Yet another reason to impeach.....
- principle, on 11/17/2007, -0/+10The point of spying on citizens is not to find “terrorists”, but to challenge the power of the IV Amendment to protect citizens from government. With out this provision we have no rights under Constitution. This one sentence is all that stands between freedom and dictatorship.
- inactive, on 11/17/2007, -1/+10Too bad any attempt to file a case against them will result in them wire-tapping the courts to get the charges ahead of time, thus lack of possibility of successfully charging them.
- cryptomystic, on 11/17/2007, -3/+12pshhhh....it's called a Police State.
- crackedlogic, on 11/17/2007, -0/+8Oh yeah, i'm in stitches over that...
- inactive, on 11/17/2007, -1/+8Then you go to Gitmo.
- WilliamDavis, on 11/18/2007, -2/+9Right. It disallowed a document that was already out in the open because it's a "state secret." That's what I got from the article anyway, and it sounds like ***** to me. It sounds like the sort of ***** you'd make up if you were trying to block a challenge.
- shazzb0t, on 11/17/2007, -4/+11Well, here it goes to the Supreme Court... Which is stacked with Repugs.
- inactive, on 11/17/2007, -0/+7Because they were "bad." We're "good."
- localzuk, on 11/17/2007, -1/+8I'd be sick and scared if I lived in the US too... As well as mad as hell.
- rhedwolf, on 11/18/2007, -0/+7I can't believe they're getting away with this. How can they say something is a 'state secret,' so that evidence can't be used, even if that evidence is 100% irrefutable truth that the government is participating in highly illegal activities that violate both law and the constitution? Isn't THAT far more important than 'state secrets'? Secrets should be revealed when they can be used to expose illegal activity.
- Frostman3D, on 11/18/2007, -0/+7We need new courts, and a new government.
- BowieX, on 11/18/2007, -1/+7You're right. Two years from now, it will no longer be breaking...
In two years, America will be broken. - inactive, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6I could post a piece of ascii art in response to that, but it's already been posted here twice.
- Groovemaster, on 11/18/2007, -1/+7I bury each and every comment that whines about trivia without adding anything of value to the discussion.
- hiphoc, on 11/17/2007, -4/+10I would have a smirk on my face if I knew that all the people who are supposed to stp me are in my pocket or have been blackmailed. Maybe its the gerbil in Bushes ass that he is smiling aobut. Or the fact that Jeff Gannon is beneth the podium. Anyone remember Police Academy?
- IphtashuFitz, on 11/17/2007, -4/+9BREAKING: Every single news article published by newspapers like the New York Times can be considered BREAKING on the day that it is published. That's why it's news!
- uptown, on 11/18/2007, -0/+5Ah no worries .... Many the leading democratic candidates were just fine stating that they'd choose national security over civil liberties in this past week's debate stating that their job as President would be to protect American citizens. Perhaps they forgot that it'd also be their job to uphold the Constitution. Here's an excerpt from the transcript:
BLITZER: What is more important, human rights or national security?
DODD: Obviously, national security, keeping the country safe. When you take the oath of office on January 20, you promise to do two things, and that is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and protect our country against enemies both foreign and domestic. The security of the country is number one, obviously. [ ..... ]
BLITZER: You say national security is more important than human rights. Senator Clinton, what do you say?
CLINTON: I agree with that completely. The first obligation of the president of the United States is to protect and defend the United States of America. That doesn't mean that it is to the exclusion of other interests. [ ..... ]
So there you have it. A clear response from Clinton that should she be elected she will place national security before civil liberties, and you can expect everything that has changed in this country over the past administration to roll over into Hillary's administration.
Full Transcript Here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/15/se. ... - skews13, on 11/17/2007, -0/+4i hope that charity organization releases that report they received by accident,to an internet source.by accident of course.
- PHiZ187, on 11/17/2007, -1/+5Full text of the opinion is available on the 9th Circuit's website: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/99 ... (Opens as PDF)
- foppa69, on 11/18/2007, -0/+4revolution
- gcnaddict, on 11/18/2007, -3/+7Why is this one being buried? Picard owns generic guy.
- Arramol, on 11/18/2007, -0/+4It will all make sense to you once you realize that, "Oops, I did something illegal" is a state secret, because we can't let word get out that our President screwed up.
- knomevol, on 11/17/2007, -0/+4i don't know why, but for some reason this brought to mind a painting:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18 ...
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry to the House of Burgesses, 1775 - inactive, on 11/18/2007, -0/+3Lets just start a revolution , i think we are overdue. After all, the government was created for the people by the people. And we (the people) are sick of these games, and our loss of freedom. Its so sad whats going on in our country , maybe Canada can take us as refugees
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