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- sockpuppets, on 11/15/2007, -2/+208Can we please stop tasing people just because they're agitated?
- tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -1/+145When the police came he said "Police, Police" in relief. He felt that the police will finally be able to help him and was glad to see them. Clearly he was willing to co-operate when the police finally showed up.
15 seconds after the police arrived they struck him with the tasers, shortly after that while unconcious/dead, they had one shin on his throat with all the weight of the officer, and another on his forehead. Once this officer released his leg choke submission hold, it was clear he was dead. While in the leg choak submission, other officers are reported as saying "hit him again" It's unclear if they did or didn't. - solidcube, on 11/15/2007, -8/+148This is murder, pure and simple. These cops knew the hazards of tasers and choke holds (what killed him, the taser or having his trachea crushed?) and they should be stripped of their badges, placed under arrest and tried for murder. Police now use a nazi torture device (electrical torture) as daily procedure.
- edrift101, on 11/15/2007, -7/+130Can't we just take the Tasers away? or at least stop referring to them as non-lethal weapons...
- thewidowmaker, on 11/15/2007, -3/+72holy crap...embarrassed to be canadian. hope those mounties lose their jobs and get sued for that one.
i love it that they say it is one persons view. yeah...it is all our views now. he looks chill enough to me before they tazed him.
vancouver police, in general, are dicks. they take people to stanley park and beat them. they shoot people in the head with rubber bullets. and, unless you know your rights, they will be happy to infringe on them. case in point, much smaller incident though, but going to the fireworks in Vancouver there were officers requesting random people to look in their bags for alcohol. they began to open mine when i asked if they were allowed to do this. response: "thank you very much sir, have a good night" as they gesture for me to be on my way without looking in my bag! jackasses they knew what they were doing was wrong. - blakeage, on 11/15/2007, -9/+76Taser should be considered a deadly weapon, just like a gun.
- tanisek, on 11/15/2007, -3/+63Some swearing
"I'm gonna smash this desk, I'm gonna smash this locker/glass" (unclear)
"I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna sue you all"
"Go away from me" - johndi, on 11/15/2007, -2/+57Don't count Canada out yet. From what I've read in articles that have comments most Canadians are not making excuses for the police. Many are outraged by this. I don't think it will become accepted in Canada.
- IADTatami, on 11/15/2007, -1/+46Tasering should only be done after you have tried and failed to control the subject through the use of your diplomatic skills and natural physical ability and training. In fact, I seem to remember hearing that tasers would be used as a last resort back when they were being introduced.
Obviously, there's been some mission creep.
...and now we've got mobile pain rays on the horizon, capable of incapacitating throngs of people. For use in crowd control, such as when you, the government, have done something to piss off thousands upon thousands of your own countrymen. The people you should be serving.
What an awful place the civilized world is turning out to be. - HeyBob, on 11/15/2007, -4/+48And why didn't start CPR?
The guy was no threat to himself or others - they could have brought food and drink and waited for an interpreter. The cops just showed up and used deadly force (because Taser's can kill). They didn't ask anyone about the situation. - tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -4/+45Airport staff initially agitated him. He went to them for help at the beginning. Instead of trying to find an interpreter, they locked him in a room and ignored him for some time. Airport staff are lucky he wasn't able to punch them out like they deserved. Now he is dead and their negligence deserves much more them a punch in the face.
- IADTatami, on 11/15/2007, -7/+45It won't happen until some taser-happy pig tases someone with politically powerful relatives to death.
- Homet, on 11/15/2007, -9/+45When we (US) do it, it is ok. In fact, we should also make fun of the victim by mocking over and over what he said in a moment of panic. Of course, when others do it, it just goes to show how uncivilized the rest of the world is compared to us.
- DiscoStud, on 11/15/2007, -7/+42Longer, 10 minute Video can be found here: http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/bc/ondemand/video/YVRT ...
- Seeker135, on 11/15/2007, -18/+53Don't Kill me, bro!
- PhillyMJS, on 11/15/2007, -0/+34"I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna sue you all"
For a Polish guy, he sure speaks like an American. - ProfessorLX, on 11/15/2007, -3/+37i am from vancouver where this happened. people here are ***** disgusted. if these cops go unpunished prepare to see a riot. they had a 15 minute clip on the news last night of peoples reactions to the video, and people were hurt, disgusted, and disappointed with our police. it's no wonder people HATE cops. please dont view this as an example of canada or vancouver, we really are a good city and country, we just have to deal with ***** like this swiftly and strictly.
- kgorczyn, on 11/15/2007, -3/+37If airport officials would do their job this would not have happened in the first place. You must not understand the details of the story. He was not allowed out for so long that his mother who came to pick him up was told he never arrived at the airport (by airport officials) and she went home. To top it off he knew no English. Do you think a man who throws a chair and a computer that is so frustrated he is sweating all over the place and breathing heavily about to have an anxiety or panic attack, or even worse a heart attack, is a candidate for a taser?
- compulsive1, on 11/15/2007, -5/+37Wasn't it Canadian police who recently shot a taser spike into a man's eye? Police is definitely overly relying on this weapon. It gives them a feeling that "shoot first, ask questions later" policy is actually justifiable as long as you are shooting a taser. With all these horrible accidents recently it's clear that a change in policy is in order.
- rnreekez, on 11/15/2007, -1/+30This is idiotic. The only reason this is happening is out of pure laziness on the part of law enforcement and don't ***** me and tell me safety. The reason police officers have survied this long was by the philosophy safety in numbers. If you have four officers, the deck is stacked in their favor with the only exception being some guy cranked out on meth. Really, the only time a taser should used is against guys so drugged out they don't feel pain.....and maybe the retard strong.
- Roobix, on 11/15/2007, -1/+28"We would never dream of presenting a case based on one small piece of evidence"
Small piece? Its a video of them tasering someone to death! How is this just "one small piece"? Holy ***** batman! I thought we were above this kind of behaviour in Canada, but I guess not. - tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -0/+26I think it's time to start treating these incidents with the seriousness they deserve, and not like they're bumper stickers. Clearly taser use is becoming more problematic and playing it off as a joke does nothing to help the situation.
The man is dead for god's sake. - opticrime, on 11/15/2007, -0/+24None of the Canadian press outlets seem to be reporting a translation of what he is saying in the video. Any diggers speak Polish?
- blakeage, on 11/15/2007, -2/+26Agreed, they could have easily pushed him against a wall and put him in cuffs for christ sake. Sick bastards man.
- SleepingOrange, on 11/15/2007, -0/+19you obviously don't live here.
- williamdyer, on 11/15/2007, -12/+30It won't happen until some taser-happy pig ends up being brutally killed in revenge.
- inactive, on 11/15/2007, -1/+19So North America is right out for you.
Sweden is nice, I hear. - romistrub, on 11/15/2007, -2/+19Yeesh. I didn't watch the video but your comment put a knot in my stomach.
- Klepto21, on 11/15/2007, -1/+17I can't figure out why tasers are considered so usable, or even nonlethal! Talk to a lawyer and they'll tell you, you could make the same argument that a gun shooting someone in the foot makes it "nonlethal". And setting the taser on "low" makes it nonlethal too.
I'm not saying tasers shouldn't be used (they are certainly better than guns), but people should treat them more like a serious weapon than a mere "immobilizer" or "thiswillshuthimuper". - romistrub, on 11/15/2007, -0/+15@ btgoss:
I officially acknowledge that I'm being a douche by correcting you, but "EH" turns a statement into a question:
"This beer is damn cold, eh?" - whutwhut, on 11/15/2007, -0/+15No one said it because it's ***** insensitive.
- Otto, on 11/15/2007, -0/+14God, you're a wimp. Can't handle yourself in a fight, so you just tase everybody.
If this man wanted to kick somebody's ass, well, perhaps he was justified. After 10 hours in customs, I'd be pretty pissed off myself. - masamunecyrus, on 11/15/2007, -2/+16I'm getting rather weary of police offers, apparently in every country, now, using tasers as the first resort. Tasers are meant to be used when someone fails to cooperate and you cannot get them to comply in any other way. With more than 5 offers, they could have easily, EASILY subdued this man taserlessly. And, in fact, he wasn't even really "resisting" arrest until he was tasered.
- ninsei, on 11/15/2007, -2/+16Actually he wasn't being "held", he was just sitting by baggage claim waiting for his mother who didn't realize she had told him to wait in a secure area she couldn't access.
The real tragedy is that when she went to the info desk to ask for help (3 times over a couple of hours) the people working couldn't be bothered to walk 20 metres in to the secure area to look for him. - jeimus, on 11/15/2007, -2/+15Follow up story:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew ... - marksism, on 11/15/2007, -0/+13Short answer: No.
- NEWNHLISLAME, on 11/15/2007, -1/+13Shut The ***** up
- Spudster, on 11/15/2007, -0/+12Funny how the Taser was supposed to only be used as a substitute to lethal force. Those who feared a slippery slope with the Taser were clearly right.
- tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -0/+12He did not come off the plane that way. He came off the plane happy to be moving to canada. To meet his mother. After 6 hours of not being able to find her. Security, instead of trying to help him, took the low road and tried to lock him up. Not seen on video but in the interview with eyewitnesses on radios this morning. Security locked him in the room. Security aggitated him by pushing him around and not getting the help they needed. Ever witness responded that they would be pissed off too.
This incident was a complete breakdown of everyone at the airport involved, and officers too. Completely unecessary force used. He was complying with officers when they arrived, not fighting, not resisting. I understand that things happen to innocent people. But the collateral being caused by missuse of tasers is far beyond acceptable levels. Tasers should be banned outright. They are torture and they are lethal force. Electric shock is torture, plain and simple.
Had cops not had tasers in this situation, would they shoot the man? No, the four would easily apprehend him, take him into custody and sort the whole thing out. - t1m0j5, on 11/15/2007, -0/+12Tak :) and why do they assume its Russian...
- juniorb, on 11/15/2007, -1/+13I'd rather be tackled by three officers and have my ass beat than be tasered. There's no consideration for people who possibly have a weak heart, or a neurological disorder when these officers fire off their tasers everytime someone makes a sudden move or gets a agitated. I'll recover from a dislocated shoulder or broken nose a lot faster than I will if I go into an epileptic seizure or have a heart attack from a reckless tasering.
The real problem, as I see it, is that there is too much emphasis put on "non-lethal." These are NOT non-lethal weapons. They are less-than-lethal, meaning you're less likely to die from a taser than a bullet. But you're still more likely to die from a taser than from a police officer who's been properly-trained in forceful submission techniques.
Tasering should be a last resort to prevent the imminent death of a police officer or civilian. This, as the video clearly shows, was not one of those situations. You don't taser a man who's walking away from you just so you don't have to break a sweat. - ProfessorLX, on 11/15/2007, -0/+11wrong
- inactive, on 11/15/2007, -1/+12yeah, use trendy terms, found in popular magazines we read and tv shows.
- manbergur, on 11/15/2007, -1/+12Wait a minute they didn't even attempt CPR!!!!!!! the dude was obviously ***** dying/dead and they didnt even try to get his heart pumping or give him air or do anything resembling an attempt to save the guys life!!!!! they are just sitting there looking at him, like "what did we do? why isnt he moving?".. game over guys you are not fit for police duty
- btgoss, on 11/15/2007, -2/+13Well if you don't speak either does it really matter?
The four guys just should have jumped him, and beat him up. He would most likely still be alive. But since the taser is considered more humane that is not what happened. Sometimes a good ass beating is all that is required. We need to step back a bit. - smacksaw, on 11/15/2007, -3/+13How did he attack the police? By backing away in fear? You're hilarious. Please substantiate your ridiculous claim.
- tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -0/+10Well that's the witness account of the events, they had an extensive coverage of this on the radio this morning with the man who shot the video.
- tehnico, on 11/15/2007, -0/+10And had they gotten a russian interpreter, they would have quickly discovered he was polish, gotten a polish interpreter, and by now he would be sitting in his mothers vancouver home beginning to enjoy his life in his new country.
- Phrag, on 11/15/2007, -0/+10The cops get paid to serve and protect the public, including the people they arrest. Tasering an unarmed man is not justifiable and not calling for the paramedics when you have someone dying in your custody is even worse. There are plenty of other options including talking to the guy, bargaining, physical restraint (hand-to-hand), chemicals like mace that hurt but have a much lower potential to kill than tazers, beanbag rounds, etc. The growing use of tasers to incapacitate anyone who does not immediately do what the police say will only serve to increase the distrust the public has for the police and may even increase violence against the police. Cops are public servants, not cowboys.
- inactive, on 11/15/2007, -1/+11Agreed. The taser should only be used where you would have otherwise used a bullet. a ***** bullet!
Cops are such pussies -
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