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- ChristPissed, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27"Hopeless" is to Iraq, as "Criminally Hopeless" is to the bush Administration.
- uu2b, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20Can someone email that to the "President", please?
- ohio1965, on 10/10/2007, -9/+19Anyone who thinks Bush is an idiot is a fool. Bush and his cronies know perfectly well that this war is a lost cause, but why would they care??? They are the ones laughing all the way to the bank!!
That Iraq war is such a money machine for them, each extra day they are successful in dragging this war out is that much more cash in their pockets!! Think about it: over $1B/day paid for by the US tax payers. Isn't that the most respectable scam of the century ?? - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6How many reports has the Congress mandated through law?
They have the GAO report, this so called secret Congressional Research report, and their own independent commission report. More at the link below. How many more reports have the mandated? These reports appear to be in conflict with eachother.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/06/america/military.php - mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Wow, that's really interesting since if you search the report the phrase "in collapse" does not appear. Who cares about honesty if lies help you make your point, right submitter? "Some predict governmental collapse" is not the same as the author of the report claiming the Iraqi government is "in collapse."
- jknevitt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Care to explain exactly which part of Halliburton makes "bombs"?
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Yet ANOTHER puppet account? What is this, #6? You sure do get banned alot, maybe you should take a hint "vvtf"
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Can you explain where Fred Thompson's campaign finances come from? No, you cant, because he doesn't disclose who gives him money.
- bdbr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure why people see thing as a good thing. The best thing for the US would be a stable Iraqi government, so we can get the hell out of there.
- mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Rawstory stories depend on third party quotes and unnamed sources. The "in collapse" quote doesn't even appear in the source document, it isn't even an accurate quote, since the phrase the guy allegedly used was "in essential collapse." Rawstory then goes on to use a SINGLE WORD anonymous quote from an alleged "top diplomat."
This is fairly standard behavior for a Rawstory post; their stories all seem to wind up resorting to anonymous sources, weasel words, inaccurate and out of context quotes. After a while you stop bothering to read what they write because after you've poked enough holes in enough stories from Rawstory you realize they're all *****. It's not *****, it's critical thinking. - joel2600, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6he doesn't use e-mail, he uses "the google"
also, i'm sure he has a hard copy that he used to wipe his ass this morning .... i'm sure it was a little more rough than his regular asswiping with billions of taxpayer dollars - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 10/10/2007, -9/+13So, if its a secret, why is it on Digg? Buried because I don't have enough tinfoil for hat.
- NJank, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4well, I don't know. is it Secret, or Confidential? Because those are very different. We're not supposed to see it in any case. But its different.
- Jeez, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6isnt ironic that days before start of shock and awe jordan's king made emergency call to Bush saying that he deal that would allow hussein to leave Iraq and exile him and smooth transition to new regime can be accomplshed sending his own troops under UN umberlla if needed. But bush refused that deal wanting to establish US base in that region (aka world largest embassy) and show the world that thru brute force he can achieve democracy anywhere....
- geoken, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I'll take you to the bank Mr. Bush........The blood bank.
- kurttrail, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8Ah, is the poor little conservative gonna cry? Poor Baby!
- therightside, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4WTF are you talking about? Can any of you idiots answer a direct question?
- Etchii, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8Saudi oil tycoons.
Bush removes saddam, saudi gain control of the oil, pay bush money.
Then theres haliburton, Mr. Cheney's baby...who probably paid out the ass to get cheney in the VP seat. Haliburton makes bombs, and also does reconstruction in iraq. Then when they blow up what they just rebuilt, they rebuild it again.. each time is $$ in the pocket. - Krakn3Dfx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Upon seeing this, President Bush declared that it's a sign that "progress is being made in the region".
See, you can put a spin on anything to make it all better. - goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I WANNA BE A MOONBAT!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy ***** that would kick ass, I can live on the moon, and be a bat.
- Jeez, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4nope it was US that refused even thou Bush had stated he would accept it/ the deal was facilitated by france only US news that reported it was ABC but was overshadowed since the war started couple days later.. Think it might be archieved in abcnew website.
- InetRoadkill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Put a goat on the cover.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3When was the last time you checked? 1953?
- InetRoadkill, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4He doesn't use the white house mail server. Send it to the RNC mail server. He'll get it that way.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6This can't be right. Georgie just came back from Iraq and he said himself that we're 'Kicking Ass' over there. That's a direct quote. So if Bush says it, it must be true right? Why would he lie to us? He wouldn't dare ever lie to his fellow Christians would he? That's a sin, and he'd burn in hell for doing such a thing especially as leader of the free world in which he was appointed by God himself. Right?
So, yeah... we're kicking ass over there. Don't listen to these quote-unquote "experts" with their little "college degrees" and their "unbiased truthiness". - Cire64, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Not enough pictures, he will only get through the first 2 pages.
- mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, like I've been trying to say, Rawstory sucks and isn't credible.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6I don't understand why you right wing nuts think that whining about the website hosting a given article is a substitute for discussion of the content of the article. The fact that rawstory is popular on Digg is because most of us reading on Digg agree with their bias. It's not rawstory's fault that the right wing has very little support here. Maybe if you nuts weren't such *****, you would have more support.
- fredrated, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Do you ever get tired apologizing for the worst administration in American history, or does it get easier with repetition?
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3The worst US war was the Civil War. So, 6 years back you were wrong. You're still wrong. That's a shame.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You are very correct. Here's the interesting detail. The CRS author's report, Kenneth Katzman, does not say "in essential collapse". It doesn't say anything like this. Katzman's own report doesn't support the statements he made to the NY Daily News.
- mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I really can't be sure what the author of the report said outside of the report because the only thing Rawstory provides are out of context third party quotes and anonymous quotes. Furthermore, they don't seem to grasp that when someone says "in imminent collapse" you can't quote them as saying "in collapse" and still be considered credible.
Also it seems like you think it's the author's idea to break up the country or install a strongman, when it's pretty clear that this report is more of a survey of all the discussion going on about what to do in Iraq. Considering that, I'm not sure the author is really in a position to make a judgement about the Iraqi government since he seems to be more into documenting chatter than making policy. - Dotnetsky, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Mom! There's Liberals under my bed!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5"The U.S. army cannot leave Iraq with the country in this condition."
You forgot to add; "So send along another $20 billion or the terrorists win." - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Katzman's statement to the NYDN isn't supported in Katzman's CRS report.
Why is he telling the NYDN something that isn't supported in his own report? - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Look at the way Raw Story's has worded the headline.
"Author of secret Iraq report declares Iraqi government 'in collapse'"
The report itself doesn't say "in collapse". Katzman has issued a statement that isn't supported by his own report. - joel2600, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3sounds about right. invade afghanistan, delcare success, let country collapse into turmoil. invade iraq, repeat.. invade next nation, repeat.
if only we weren't so dependent on oil. ***** energy companies and congress. - therightside, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Dude lay off the weed.
- mstoneburner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2When you quote people, you're supposed to use ellipses if you omit anything they said. Rawstory didn't. Rawstory isn't credible.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2CRS reports are not classified. They are only supposed to be made available to the public at the request of members of Congress. the CRS is sort of like a think tank that answers larger questions from members of Congress.
- yodaj007, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2We didn't go into Iraq until 2003.
- therightside, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Any proof or are you guys just making it up as you go along?
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Good point. I wonder how many diggs the NY Daily News story is receiving. Let's look it up.
Oh noes. It wasn't even submitted to Digg yet. Now it is. It has one digg.
http://digg.com/world_news/Iraq_government_near_collapse_secret_report_says - doshindude, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2College is a pretty good excuse.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"They dismissed the Iraqi army,"
You really need to read Paul Bremer's Op/Ed in the NY Times from yesterday. Neither Bremer, nor Bush, nor Blair, nor anyone disbanded the Iraqi army. They disappeared into the population.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/opinion/06bremer.html?hp - heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't forget that equally corrupt and venal Ahmad Chalabi the man who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from Petra Bank in Jordan as well !
- neozeed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What? It's common knowledge that he dismissed the army, and he paid them too, but it wasn't too much, and of course they hate us so they revolted.
This isn't some dark conspiracy, but of course now that it's blown up into a super cluster *****, nobody want's to remember that they did infact disband the army. - FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Everything is working according to plan. They dismissed the Iraqi army, and now this. The U.S. army cannot leave Iraq with the country in this condition. Mission Accomplished.
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Anytime you have a politician protecting someone like al Sadr, you'll have corruption and government collapse. They should have stuck to someone more secular or closer to Sistani.
- neozeed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Is it safe yet? After all the TRILLIONS we have pumped into that ***** hole, and the green zone is getting shelled. I'm sorry I don't buy it.
When they open Iraq Disney, then I'll bite. -
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