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- Flashman, on 02/14/2008, -16/+499Pro-gun: "More guns would have killed the perpetrator quicker with fewer casualties!"
Anti-gun: "We need stricter gun controls so this doesn't happen again!"
The next-worst thing after each shooting is the "debate" that follows, in which the same people say the same things and nobody changes their mind but we all get older. - geekzor, on 02/14/2008, -1/+219My brother-in-law goes here...it happened five minutes before he walked through this part of the campus to his dorm. Had he not been out washing his car, like the anal retentive freak he is, he would have been in the midst of this. He just called and said he was helping a few bleeding kids before the police/rescue arrived. He's scared *****, but glad it's over. He didn't have details on who it was that did the shooting.
- Adam420, on 02/14/2008, -22/+210Have some respect, you bastard.
- atb112, on 02/14/2008, -3/+186What the ***** is wrong with people :(
- 93TILL503, on 02/14/2008, -9/+179This is not the way. Seek help.
R.I.P - inactive, on 02/14/2008, -16/+177For the record, Illinois (especially Chicago) is the worst state to be in for gun owners. Gun regulation is tough here, tougher than anywhere else in the country. We don't know much about the shooter, but in Illinois you need to be 21 to obtain a gun or have consent from your parents. I doubt all the extra hoops you need to jump through really stop criminals. I seriously doubt the no conceal and carry laws in Illinois protected us. Quite the opposite.
- xerosawyer, on 02/14/2008, -17/+168Sad day.
- KyleGoetz, on 02/14/2008, -5/+142Perhaps the government cannot solve all our problems. School shootings are symptomatic of a diseased society, not an ineffectual government.
- bgrah449, on 02/14/2008, -8/+123Here's hoping they don't show the name or the face of the gunman. RIP to the victims. Prayers to the families
- bgrah449, on 02/14/2008, -4/+1071) He did take responsibility; he is dead.
2) The line between being famous and infamous is pretty thin. Criminality should be rewarded with obscurity. - Chan815, on 02/14/2008, -0/+99i was walking back to my dorm room and honestly in less than two minutes i saw at least 15 cop cars come flying into the central part of campus, scary day for us all
- Professr, on 02/14/2008, -10/+96University Code of Conduct: "Possession of firearms on University property is forbidden."
- LegendarySock, on 02/14/2008, -14/+100What the ***** is your problem? There is a time and a place for jokes, this isn't it.
- c0deblue, on 02/14/2008, -17/+92you piece of *****, that is where i am now, someone just turned this place upsidedown and you joke about it? ***** you!
- billapepper, on 02/14/2008, -8/+79As if valentines isn't depressing enough...
- h4ckler, on 02/14/2008, -33/+104Yeah without guns people wouldn't kill each other! Shut your mouth. Psychological evaluation laws need to be changed, not gun laws.
- steve_s, on 02/14/2008, -11/+79No matter how hard it is to get a gun and how illegal it is I could still get one. If i wanted to get 50 pounds of meth I could get it. Legality does not affect availability.
- notahippie76, on 02/14/2008, -4/+72Oh god, don't you know what you have started?
/me runs and hides while he still can. - CrazedLeper, on 02/14/2008, -25/+91USA: #1 in school shootings.
- legoalert33, on 02/14/2008, -7/+71Jack Thompson: "Its violent video games"
R.I.P. - sundancekid503, on 02/14/2008, -8/+69How about banning the anti-depression medication that almost every school shooter seems to be on. I think half the problem is that America thinks it can treat every problem with a pill. In many cases these drugs are really messing kids up.
As far as guns, well there was a LOT of murder going on before the first gun was ever invented. I don't think banning guns would fix the cultural problems that we have. - Mortikahn, on 02/14/2008, -10/+71They have since changed the headline to read SEVERAL people, instead of 18.
- sundancekid503, on 02/14/2008, -0/+55I think he means that we shouldn't be making the shooters famous. I agree.
- george2gfm, on 02/14/2008, -6/+60Illinois is very strict on gun laws, possible the most strict
- kkxxyy, on 02/14/2008, -2/+53This is what happens when the media go around spewing, "Deadliest school shooting of all time." Guess what? Some troubled moron will obviously try to beat it.
- Boagrius, on 02/14/2008, -27/+78Too bad the gunman is already dead, I was hoping for a extremely painful and slow death for him that ***** sucking *****. Used to go there, my buddies little sister was in the midst of it....
- c0deblue, on 02/14/2008, -5/+54its the news site i trust to help me out, luckly i was in the dorms the whole time, my nieghbor skipped that class today, this ***** is blowing my mind right now
- bitspace, on 02/14/2008, -2/+48I think it was anti-Obama spam, but the sentiment still applies.
- bxblox, on 02/14/2008, -2/+48Its only hard on law abiding citizens. Gangbangers dont care about breaking the law.
- MattZed, on 02/14/2008, -5/+49Amazing, in the middle of a school shooting, some people think to check digg.
- saska, on 02/14/2008, -2/+44I'd prefer a total media blackout to take away the notoriety for the shooters.
- devinjohnson2, on 02/14/2008, -4/+46Cue Jack Thompson blaming it on video games.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -10/+51Yes, because I'm SURE anyone that intent on killing that many people would just plump give up after not being able to obtain a gun legally...
"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" - haiduz, on 02/15/2008, -1/+42From Roger Ebert review of the movie elephant: [ http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic ... ]
"Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.
The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."
In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy." - zKman, on 02/15/2008, -3/+43BBC: "It is also the fourth shooting at a US education establishment within a week. Last Friday, a woman shot dead two fellow students before killing herself at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. In Memphis, Tennessee, a 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a student on Monday, and a 15-year-old was shot at a junior high school in California on Tuesday"
- Chembro783, on 02/14/2008, -20/+59It's great to see the effectiveness of gun free zones on America's campuses. Let's see which campus it is next week.
http://www.concealedcampus.org/ - itsradBrad, on 02/14/2008, -4/+41Yes at most universities only the criminals carry guns.
Us folks that obey the law aren't allowed to arm ourselves for protection. Concealed weapon permit or not. - KyleGoetz, on 02/14/2008, -4/+41Gun laws don't need to change. People need to change.
- jjb123, on 02/14/2008, -1/+38They are always cowards and kill themselves.
- Adam420, on 02/14/2008, -14/+5018 have been shot, 3 dead, including the gunman.
- JoeDiggsIt, on 02/14/2008, -3/+38Sigh... let's just hope the shooter didn't own any video games, but nevertheless RIP for those who were killed.
- ReadItAndWeep, on 02/14/2008, -1/+36We have a winner. Unfortunately, people want to hear easy answers for a complex problem.
- bgrah449, on 02/14/2008, -6/+41Yes, surely, that is the ONLY solution. Brilliant, bravo.
- illycoffee, on 02/14/2008, -6/+41Honest question -- was this another "gun free zone?"
- HerrEisenheim, on 02/15/2008, -2/+36Because, just like abortion, everyone "debates" based on their encroached position, instead of stopping to THINK or look at what empirical data has to say.
The reality is that both sides are right. How can that be? The relationship between guns and gun violence is not linear. In fact, it's inversely parabolic. That is, there are two points where gun violence approaches zero; on the left where guns are illegal and no citizens can own a firearm and then again on the right, where guns are legal and all citizens (or at least all male citizens) are legally required to own a firearm. (ie. Switzerland). Where is gun violence the highest? Right where we are in the US, where 40-50% of people own a firearm. That means that most citizens still do not, but the supply is such that they are easily attainable. That's why we have so much gun violence in the US. Guns are everywhere, and yet if you had to guess if any one individual was carrying a gun your best bet would be 'no'.
How do we fix it? I have no ***** idea. And you know what? No one else does either. Countries like the UK are able to ban firearms outright, and that works for them (for the most part) because they are small and can reasonably patrol their borders. Obviously, they don't do a terrific job, as drugs and other illicit material (including firearms) still get in, but at least they can do something. Does anyone honestly think that would work at ALL in the US? Our borders are huge, and there's more ways to smuggle stuff into the US, and in large quantities, than pretty much any other country on Earth.
That leaves the other option of giving a gun to everyone. You know what? That doesn't sit to well with me either. Just today I accidently cut someone off after getting back into traffic after a fire truck passed by. Didn't come close to hitting the person or anything like that, but he ***** FLIPPED his ***** and followed me for like 10 miles screaming, honking, and flipping me off like a lunatic. I sure am glad he didn't have a gun, because I'd probably be dead. - OverkillTASF, on 02/14/2008, -5/+39Slight amendment to the pro-gun thing: More GOOD PEOPLE with guns would have helped. Not necessarily just more guns. Unfortunately, people tend to not really accept that responsibility.
Illinois is Obama's state. Illinois does NOT allow concealed carry of a firearm at all. It is alone with Washington, D.C. in that distinction. Illinois is definitely not a state friendly to civilian firearm ownership, and almost certainly it was illegal to have a gun on campus, as well as illegal to carry a gun with intent to wound or kill, as well as illegal to wound or kill at all. - Atacand, on 02/14/2008, -11/+43The happenings at VT actually did change my mind. I went out and got a conceal/carry permit and a pistol as soon as I could.
- inactive, on 02/14/2008, -6/+38You're right! Everyone should be armed and properly trained in the use of their weapon and its safety features.
I have yet to see about a shooting at a gun show or a shooting range. Can't imagine why that would be... - Professr, on 02/14/2008, -11/+43Who do you think will be more scared, a person with an illegal gun going into a classroom to kill as many unarmed people as possible, or a person with an illegal gun going into a classroom that he knows is full of armed students and faculty? I know there are so many people who say "guns breed violence" and "ban all guns", but I don't think the university's no-gun policy saved any lives. You can't stop someone who is focused on killing and then suiciding from getting a gun. You can slow them down a little, but they'll still get them, even if it takes months. If people with licenses, background checks, and training were allowed to carry their guns with them to class, many many lives could be saved.
- mywhitenoise, on 02/14/2008, -1/+32Because most of the people in our country are ***** retarded attention whores.
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