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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Makes you wonder who speaks for Islam. No one really. The faith is leaderless and theologically rudderless. You may not agree with leadership of the Christian faiths but it least it exists across national boundaries. The Vatican and Pope are the best example. Since the Mongols murdered the last Caliph in the 1250's, there has been no consistent leadership, leaving it vulnerable to thugs like the Iranian mullahs and OBL.
- CompIsMyRx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I love that in the article, even Hamas thinks Al-Zawahri is a little too extreme.
- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17You must be a grunt.... you're too dumb to be doing intel work or even to move up the ranks, and your simple nature and blood thirst make you ideal for being a mindless killing unit.
Only in America could "schoolteacher" be used as an insult... man I feel so sorry for you. You're a lower form of life, and with your attitude you always will be. How is it at the bottom? - xbasilx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12if any of these "arab leaders" had any guts they'd state the obvious: Al-Zawahri doesn't speak for islam, and in fact he's the one who's betraying it
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10this is arab nationalism in islamic clothing. like the west during the middle ages, it's all about hiding behind religious 'authority' to seize control of land and people.
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Guess he isn't the most accurate person and likes to sprout garbage.. who wouldathunkit.
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12>It's pretty clear you're very ignorant...
It's pretty clear you know more than the average westerner...that scares muslems beacuse the more westerners know the harder it is to fool you into believing that islam a a religion of peace and not the truth that its a religon of hate, sexism, and war founded by a murderous pedophile with world domination and oppression as its single goal in being. - aresef, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Hold up, this is Islam in a nutshell? *****.
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Al-Zawahri molests goats in a bad way.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8No,
"There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet."
....THAT is Islam in a nutshell. - darkrabbi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8the problem is the moderate Muslim world doesn't take a stand against the extremists and publicly condemn them - out of fear maybe - either way this guy is a piece of *****
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Can we not focus on the differences but in the similarities while combating a common enemy?
Cause that is the only way to win this battle. - diargasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well I'm a Maronite Lebanese, so I'm not technically even an Arab. The point is that once you go beyond Syria, Palestine, and Jordan you get all these morons who claim to speak for the whole middle east and everything.
- CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -18/+22That is Islam in a nutshell. Al-Zawahri is condemning the Palestinians and other Arab leaders for not being draconian enough. The Middle Eastern leader, who al-Zawahri is condemning, would like to “drive Israel to the sea” and conquer the West. Yet, that is not enough for this wacky al-Qaeda leader.
Note that we don’t have any Islamic leaders condemning al-Zawahri and al-Qaeda. Apparently, you can’t be too much of an extremist for any of the moderate Muslim, but even some of the extremists are too moderate for other extremists. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"...they are highly opposed to taking sides ..."
You cannot be neutral on a moving train. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Notice that Al-Zawahri doesn't citicize Liberals?
That's because Liberals have always been faithful to his cause. - thepeacemaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6>@amightywind: Makes you wonder who speaks for Islam. No one
>really. The faith is leaderless and theologically rudderless.
That is partially true. At the macro or political level, the Muslim world is indeed leaderless and rudderless. However most people who embrace Islam do so because of its theological principles and how it relates to their personal lives. To understand the mess Muslims have been in since the beginning of Islamic history, one has to only look at the events right after the death of Prophet Muhammad, when his daugther's property was forcefully taken away from her, his grandson was killed along with his family, and the Muslim world came under the rule of tyrants ever since, some benevolent others less so. - CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ diargasm
That is enlightening. Can you tell us more? What is Maronite? etc. - CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ devindotcom
I could offer to challenge you to an IQ test, but I would need to spot you 50 points, just to make it interesting. Fools like you, who call people with doctorate degrees “ignorant,” are in a special class of stupidity.
Let’s see, you cannot distinguish the difference between “truth” and “hate.” You cannot distinguish the difference between “disagreeing” with you—the almighty devindotcom—and “ignorance.”
Judging by your rhetoric, you have no idea what the word “hatemonger” means. Don’t bother grabbing the dictionary; it seems that a mirror would give you the answer more quickly.
I understand Islam better than you are capable. I have more formal education than you could ever dream of obtaining.
Now, if you ever develop a point, feel free to post it. If you would rather continue to trade ad hominem, I am game for that too. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3wow I remember wanting to do a paper on the Phoenicians, fascinating history, I couldn't find any real documentation so I couldn't write it, I wanted to suggest they may have actually landed/settled in Britain. (crossing Gibraltar, it's not very safe sailing down the west coast of Africa back in the old days)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@tomcpp
actually the "judgement" made for the jews, wound up with 8 to 900 of the small farming community's males beheaded and thrown in a trench, while there is even documentation of the joys of raping the jewish women. Mahomet sat and watched each and every execution which if there were 100 per hour would take at least 8 hours.
This is all in the Quran itself, zionists have no records of the true Jews that once occupied medina. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3farfle you are silly, you don't know my combat expeirience nor am I going to tell you.
You can continue to but heads or we can find a common ground that will tie us together.. But you seem to know so much.
xarc13 what you are sprouting is the propganda the extremist like to feed to ppl like you. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Zanwar
"Moderate muslims know this and this is why they are highly opposed to taking sides in the battle between the extremists. "
I hope you are just guessing and aren't a Muslim stating how majority of Muslims feel. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Danial, just to argue the other side not everyone on that list is a nice person...
But I do agree that there are Muslim's that do speak out against the extremists. The only thing I question is that you can have blocks and blocks of Muslims standing against the war in Iraq rally, but when they hold a rally for Muslims against Extremists only 25 Muslims show up...
And yes you do see Christians denouncing any acts someone does in the name of Christianity that is horrible. That is what a vigil is for. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A non Muslim Arab, dude fill us in on what's going on man, there are only 5 English translations of the Quran, and every time you quote it, I get "that was not translated properly", those shows on memritv, are they really aired in Arabic via satellite for the global jihadists?
- 60days, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why don't they ever link/post the full statement?
- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, czech, but...
You may have a degree, but sham degrees for chumps like you are a dime a dozen. That just makes you an accredited bigot.
I may disagree with you, but that is because I am in possession of facts which you are choosing to ignore. That makes you ignorant.
You yourself do not seem to understand the word "hatemonger" - "one who incites or promotes hate" - and that is what you are; I am suggesting tolerance, or at least that you temper your prejudice with facts. That makes you hypocritical (as well as making you look foolish).
The "formal education," which you tout and which I couldn't care less about, is either a fabrication or a failure. Your ideas, which are the only things that matter, show that you are not educated, nor either are you informed. That makes you pompous and hollow.
My POINT, idiot, is that your xenophobic ramblings are based on a bunch of ***** being fed to you by a culture of hate pervading OUR country, and nurtured by OUR people. It's ironic that our response to terrorists has been to create a generation of terrorists, by the same means they created theirs: misleading them into a racial hatred of a political enemy. They may not blow themselves up in a cafe, but they'll vote for a law allowing it... Perhaps with all your talk about extremists being too moderate for others, you should be looking in a mirror yourself. - eth3l, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3extremist muslim infightng? alright! let the radicals separate themselves from the political entities more and more ... the tighter their grip the more and more star systems will slip through your fingers ... oh, wait, that's ... nevermind.
Regardless, he's clearly pissed that the muslim political structure is not lashing out against the West like the radicals are. - diargasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is al-Zawahri even an Arab? I'm sick of morons of from South Asia and Northern Africa considering themselves brothers to us. We are not brothers, especially me since I'm not a Muslim.
- Vincep1974, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you read the texts of what the Jihadi terrorists publish, you will see it complete with references to Koran and Hadith, with plenty of examples from Mohammed.
You NEVER see a Muslim refute them with the same things. You may see Muslims try to persuade their unsuspecting targets that perhaps Islam is about cotton candy and lollipop and these extremists are just mistaken.
The Jihadi Muslims ARE the reformers. They represent the change Muslims have been seeking the past few hundred years.
The Islamic texts are like an ISO 9002 manual of taking over the world. Nothing they do should be surprising to anyone who bothers to spend 10 minutes looking into it. Which means all these Goddamn Leftists dont know a thing and perpetuating their own destruction.
And to you Lefties who think you are smart, in Islam it is ok for a Jihadi to lie about thier beliefs to you people in order for you to weaken their enemy. Good job! - hicamel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People will find evidence to support whatever they have a vested interest in believing. It's a survival tactic. Very few people are open to changing their perspective.
- CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ devindotcom
You really seem pretty slow. I have a doctorate with honors from an accredited university. I hate to admit it, but it was a state university and therefore a degree from a public school.
Only a loser would even think of one of those diploma mills. BTW, they don’t give professional licenses based upon those scam degrees. So, if you are going to accuse me of not having the valid degree, how can you explain my professional license? But, I guess losers never think about those things, do they, loser?
The word “Hate” I do well understand. You are obviously a hateful person. Look at your ridiculous post! It contains some really hateful ramblings. I haven’t questioned your credentials. Do you have any education? A high school diploma maybe? On the other hand, your assumption that my degrees are not legitimate epitomizes hatred.
Yes, I have questioned your intelligence, but I think any rational person would do that upon reading your posts. There is nothing hateful about making such an evaluation.
You certainly don’t know what the word “xenophobia” means. Would you like to continue this conversation in a foreign language, say Spanish for example? I would have said that there was about a 99% change that you are monolingual. I, also, would have said that there was about a 99% chance that you have no passport and have never been outside the US.
But, you refer to some foreign country as your country. You won’t specify which one it is. I am not aware of anything that I have said derogatory about any foreign land, except maybe in jest. But maybe I said something about this country of yours that you did not understand. It seems you are incapable of understanding very much.
It would be nice if you back off from your hatefully rambling long enough to write clearly. So, are you an ignorant American or a foreigner who mistakenly believes that I said something bad about your country? Clear things up, please!
“Racial hatred”? What a laugh! I speak Spanish and have traveled in Latin America without a translator. I am a little rusty now, but at several times in my live I did business in the Hispanic community using the Spanish language. For nearly a decade, I once lived in a community that was nearly 50% African-American. I once managed an African-American’s campaign for office. I also helped the first African-America judge in that county get elected to the bench.
I have had extensive contacts with a number of ethnic groups throughout my life. So, you charges of “racism” do nothing but expose your gross stupidity.
Oh, you have a point? Well try to make it without calling someone who is obvious much smarter than you are, an “Idiot.” That would be a great start. Try it. What is your point? - CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ darkrabbi
Unless they have change the Rules of Evidence, not denying can be construed as an admission. The rule is more complicated than that, but generally speaking, if you can show the following in court:
1. That someone accused someone of something;
2. That it is they type of thing that should be denied, if not true;
3. The accused failed to deny it;
It can be used in court as evidence of an admission. Now, granted, it is not the best evidence of an admission, but it can be admitted. (The jury gets to hear it. If it is not a jury trial, the judge can consider it.)
(Any lawyers who regularly litigate, please, feel free to help me out, if my memory is failing me, or this rule of evidence has changed.)
So, what should we think about those Islamic leader who refuse to renounce the extremists? Should we pass it off as fear? Is there some basic precept to Islam that allows extremist to criticize moderates, but not vice versa? Or should we push it one step further?
BTW, I like that handle, "darkrabbi." - CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ eth3l
Cute! I had to digg that one. lol - Danial, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uh yeah, he is from Egypt, so he is an Arab.
I would bet you that we South Asians are sick and tired of Arabs (especially Wahhabi Arabs) coming to our country and forcing us to be more Arab. We have our own distinct culture and we prefer it to stick that way.
Barelvis and Sufis > Wahhabis and Deobandis - tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8@skyshock21
No,
"There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet." ....THAT is Islam in a nutshell.
Yep indeed. Too bad the "prophet" is a paedophile racist mass-murderer :
paedophile : he ***** a 9 year old : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha%27s_age_at_marriage (and the implementation of this in sharia)
racist : slavery, and the rule that blacks are, by definition slaves : e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Islam#Slavery_in_modern_times
mass-murderer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Jews
(After the Battle of the Trench in 627, the Jews of Banu Qurayza were accused of conspiring with the Meccans; Qurayza men were beheaded, women and children enslaved, and their properties confiscated.)
The highest value for any muslim, as you say, is to imitate this paedophile - Zanwar000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1there isn't supposed to be a leader in the muslim community; the caliph was to serve as a community leader, not a religious leader. Moderate muslims know this and this is why they are highly opposed to taking sides in the battle between the extremists. Sadly it's the moderates in islamic countries who are suffering right know.
- kodak543, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2maybe you should read the historical context behind those executions of jews. The jews signed a contract to help the muslims, they lied, helped the enemy, the enemy lost, they were convicted of treason and punished by the laws in the torah (jewish holy book)
- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -17/+16@czechrebel
It's pretty clear you're very ignorant...as well as stubborn and hateful. People like you are, of course, the reason the world hates us so. If you knew anything about Islam you might be qualified to talk about it, but you don't - you're only regurgitating something you saw another hateful, ignorant xenophobe say.
Don't you see the parallels between what Al-Zawahri and you are saying? Zawahri talks about Jews and America, you talk about Muslims and liberals. You're both fools, and your hatemongering will serve only to inflame the conflict.
Now, go educate yourself, and come back when you have something legitimate to say. - tomcpp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3The ruthless tyrants part started with de paedophile prophet muhammad himself. See for example :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Jews
e.g. "After the Battle of the Trench in 627, the Jews of Banu Qurayza were accused of conspiring with the Meccans; Qurayza men were beheaded, women and children enslaved, and their properties confiscated."
Why does everyone use arabic terms in english text ? It's not "islam" that word does not even exist (only in arabic, but this is very inaccurate spelling). The english word is "repression". - CzechRebel, on 10/12/2007, -24/+21Soon we will be hearing from those amazing liberals who believe that Islam is “a religion of peace” and jihadic trolls. They will be trying to compare Islam to Christianity and confusing the words “truth” and “hate.”
So predictable! - Danial, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0I'm not going to waste my time refuting a lot of the stupidass comments posted here, because arguing with these morons is as stimulating as arguing to a brick wall.
All I'll say is that the morons who constantly bitch and whine about Muslims not condemning enough should shut the ***** up and open their eyes a bit more. It's not our fault you bigots like to pick and choose whatever suits you for your agenda and discard it when it doesn't.
Here's a list of Muslims making a stand against terrorism:
http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
www.altmuslim.com
www.glocaleye.org
Now you can stop complaining about Muslims not condemning terrorism. You don't see Christians around the U.S. denouncing the acts of the Lord's Resistance Army and their obsession with installing Biblical law in Uganda through disgusting methods.
BTW, Wikipedia isn't a good source of information so try another source next time. - Danial, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1lol another Maronite who thinks he is a Phoenician probably haha
Keep sowing divisions buddy, that is not what your Prime Minister Rafik Hariri had wanted before he was martyred. - konradk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I like this guy
- mrops, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2digg down
- farfle, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9Focus on our similarities? Mr/Ms Whimsy, it's pretty obvious you've never been in combat. Aren't we all wonderful, airy fairy thinking is about the first thing that will get you killed. You sound like a schoolteacher.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1@farfle
All the soldiers in America can die and none of the politicians could give a ***** and neither could I--If you are a soldier death is an occupation hazzard so don't bitch.
The corporations rule America and we are better of for it. Muhahahahahah.
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