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- Indyanna, on 10/10/2007, -6/+81This is where the behavior, attitude, and civility of the troops pays off. It takes time. But hopefully enough time has passed, and the Americans/Brits/etc. have proven that they are not like Hussein's Republican Guard, they are not like the terrorists - even though they are in uniforms and carry guns. Maybe now the Iraqis see that they are not there to terrorize people, and realize that given the two choices, it's better to trust the troops. I assume this is what Bush meant when he talked about winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.
On a personal note: my husband's nephew served two tours in Iraq with the Marines. He's the kind of "tough guy" that John Edwards isn't. :-) Anyhoo, when he was in Iraq, his mom asked him "What can I send to you?" His answer: "Send me stuff for little girls. Hair stuff, I guess." His mom said, "Why?" He said: "Because when we hand out candy, all the boys bully their way to the front and the girls don't git nuthin'. I figure if I have stuff the boys don't want, the little girls will get somethin' too." - jzimo, on 10/10/2007, -21/+90A story which shows signs that the surge may be working and our soldiers are making Iraq a better place. As of right now the story has been out for 6 hours on digg and only has 24 diggs. If the story were about US soldiers cutting off an Iraqi's face with piano wire it would be on the front page. When al-Qaeda cuts off someones face with piano wire no one on digg seems to care.
- BrainToad, on 10/10/2007, -23/+85It looks like the surge is making a difference. They should have done this from the beginning. But then again, maybe it also required the Iraqis to understand that Al-Qaeda is not their friend. Now if we can also keep the Iranians out of Iraq, this nightmare might just start to turn around.
- Wacer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+37Cutting off a face with piano wire. It never ceases to amaze me on how many ways humanity can be cruel to each other.
- LadyAmerica, on 10/10/2007, -18/+52Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kennedy, Edwards, Dean, et al ... Are you aware of this? Or are you, and your media fellow-travelers, just keeping this good news quiet to hide it from the American people?
- cassholio, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27That doesn't erase the fact that we have to continue to fix the problem.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20I think it's because most Diggers expect that kind of behavior out of the child-roasting Al Qaeda, but the US troops are above it.
Still, I agree that this should be dugg way up. Amazing story. I'm so relieved to see people turning against Al Qaeda, even if it's a small number. I hope that more do it. This is a key time. We need to be as forgiving and kind as possible to all Iraqis, avoiding any "colateral" deaths and giving people the benefit of the doubt because we can only win this with the hearts of the Iraqis, not by shooting first and asking questions later. - gfreeman223, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22People keep saying that the right wingers are brainwashed by propoganda, but in the fine tradition of the kettle calling the pot black, it's pretty obvious that many elements in the left are also completely brainwashed and retarded.
Namely, the "truthers" - norman619, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Al-Qaeda wasn't there in the beginning because Sadam would have had no issue with slaughtering them and the people he suspected of helping them. Sadam had no more love for them than we did back then.
- angusm, on 10/10/2007, -11/+27I don't know if this can be attributed to the surge in any way. Any violent extremist group probably has a fairly short half-life. The saner members will realize that no, sawing the head off a defenseless prisoner or truck-bombing a crowded market is probably not really what God wants, and will just drift away. The psychotics will eventually turn on each other. The only problem is that the natural disintegration of such groups doesn't seem to happen fast enough and while we're waiting for the brutes to turn their knives on each other, a lot of more worthwhile human beings are going to get killed.
- gfreeman223, on 10/10/2007, -10/+25WHAT? People actually are helping the Americans because they don't like terrorists who have a thing for rape, and the most sadistic torture you can't even think of?
The lefties are shocked!
America should have never gone to Iraq in the first place, but I think it is sick that "some people" hope for failure just to make a political point... That's like, instead of cleaning up spilled milk, you hope it rots so you can point your twisted little libtard finger and laugh. Real smart. Real productive. Troofers can eat a IED. - AWBoy666, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16The really amazing part is the source this comes from......the timesonline? They wouldn't print good news about the Iraq war unless it was REALLY good!
- IslandDog, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17This is so hilarious that people here are calling this propaganda, but when the latest news from rawstory comes in they are all over it. LOL.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -8/+211.4 million US troops served in Iraq, US and allies conduct more then 28000 combat patrols a day with 3500 KIA, the left wing called this a defeat and now they call this propaganda. Seems to me to many wish the USA to lose.
Could it all be about Bush? Could it all be about 30 years of the Teacher Association creating this hate for America? - kaelyiesta, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15I would like to point out that the key component of this is not an extra 20k troops. As in any occupation, the only way to win is to have a significant portion of the populace assisting the people doing the occupying. From the article
"A key factor is that local people and members of al-Qaeda itself have become sickened by the violence and are starting to rebel, Lieutenant-Colonel Michael said. “The people have got to deny them sanctuary and that is exactly what is happening.”"
This is what we have needed all along. I hope our military recognizes this and can nurture this cooperation as best it can. - inajeep, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Got anything good to contribute to the postings than the normal name calling?
- gthrank, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13This done in the name of Allah?
When they get to the pearly gates, there's going to be some interesting debate. - inajeep, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15I think any good news is usually buried in an avalanche of bad news.
- neffy, on 10/10/2007, -12/+23Cutting off faces with piano wire? Dugg.
- IslandDog, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13There were plenty of terrorists operating in Iraq before we invaded, and it has been well documented before. Too bad the media and their agenda don't seem to report that.
- mre5765, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Which nonetheless means that insurgencies are defeatable.
- AlphaEta, on 10/10/2007, -13/+23Quite frankly, I think this story is very good and I hope it hits the front page. That being said, it's the polarizing comments such as your own that turn people away from these submissions.
- irishredneck, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10"Al Qaeda in Iraq" and "Al Qaeda" are different? THey are located in different countries, and like desgjockey said, it depends on your view of the franchise theory. When it boils down to it, they are the same freakin thing: terrorists and cowards.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9FYI, troops have handed out candy to Iraqi children before.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10We can not fix the problem. The most we can hope for is helping the elected people establish a strong stable government which can start dealing with these w/o outside help. This is going to take a LONG time. We Americans expect nice clean short resolutions to problems such as these mainly becasue we have never had to really deal with craziness like this here at home or with our neighbors. Even Mexico as corrupt as it is hasn't had it this bad.
- diggerphelps, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Just like Communism, the Islamist philosophy is pretty much its own worst enemy.
We should get the ***** out of the Middle East and let these barbarians show the people their true colors.
They'll be begging Big Daddy Uncle Sam to come back. - Aaronontheweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Amen
- geekee, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13If you got your news from sources other than Digg, maybe you'd understand why the "surge" is making this happen.
- inajeep, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Cause and effect. Can we really know why? Could it be that some are sick of the violence?
- Nighttime, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8What is so hard to understand? Do you think Al Qaeda is only in one place?
- kooft, on 10/10/2007, -16/+24The article indicates that a large number of people that are 'rebelling' against al Queda: "signed up to earn extra cash because there were no other jobs going." These guys aren't 'al Queda', they're poor hungry Iraqi civilians looking to make a buck because their economy has been destroyed. Let's see, starve to death or hide weapons for al Queda... hmm... I bet the US could have eliminated the al Queda threat entirely by not invading in the first place.
- geekee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Anyone who says the "surge" has nothing to do with this has not been following the news, or is ignoring the news. I won't bother to cite source just look at CNN's coverage for the last few weeks.
- geekee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8The extra 20K troops have allowed the US to secure Baghdad, pushing al qaeda into retreat. Now people feel safer knowing that talking to the US may be effective at something other that getting them killed.
- mco5t9, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9@otheruser
Here you go.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/06/understanding-current-operatio/ - geekee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8That's in Pakistan, not Iraq.
- Barbarino, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10I don't give a dam about the details, lets hope our boys complete the mission, hand Iraq over whereas it can be successful and bring them home as the heros they are.
- p4r1tyb1t, on 10/10/2007, -7/+15As opposed to gang raping 14 year old, while killing her family in front of her, and then shooting her in face and then burning her body?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8a group that cuts off a person ’s face with piano wire
As I scrolled down to say this I see where other people were caught by it.. What a horrible way to go - desqjockey, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Depends if you recognize Al Qaeda as a franchise based operation or not.
- iamlutheran, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Exactly. People like this place no value on human life.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8The middle east has been unstable for centuries. What makes you think we can change things? You have to learn the history of the place to understand the root causes of the constant fighting there. Let me give you a hint. They aren't like this because of the US or any other western nation.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Al Qaeda operates in cells, or perhaps as desgjockey put it, in franchises. Of course these guys aren't wearing uniforms and flying flags issued by OBL himself, but the ideas and methods are one and the same. Connection is limited specifically so we can't fight them as easily and trace them back, or catch them with intel before they do stuff. You're really nit-picking here.
- Aaronontheweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I was starting to wonder where they were
- Aaronontheweb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8"do you really think 'libtards' do not want to see the positive that comes out of iraq?"
To echo the sentiments that a lot of conservatives have about Iraq, we simply believe that a lot of "libtards" don't even see the war on terror as a legitimate war. We think they see it as a simple political ploy that Bush used to bolster his party, and that's why they're so eager to "pull out" when the job is not done. So when you say "you really think 'libtards' do not want to see the positive that comes out of iraq," we say "yes, because to them, positive news out of Iraq is a new scandal, death of a soldier, or anything they can use to attack Bush." The "libtards" have been more aggressive in pursuing whatever minor scandals the U.S. indulges in while they completly turn their backs on the horrible atrocities committed by Sadam's men and Al Qaeda, simply because of their own Bush Derangement Syndrome. The libtards aren't against our armed forces, but by doing everything they can to take away what they perceive to be Bush' most potent political weapon, they have effectively turned themselves into a propoganda machine to Al Qaeda. So yes, I don't think they want to see positive news out of Iraq because they are more concerned with destroying the Republican politicians than they are with the stabilization with Iraq. - AWBoy666, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Lighten up. My guess is that he couldn't fit the "In Iraq" part in the Digg title due to length restrictions. Such nitpicking is pathetic.
- airwalkery2k, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11I disapprove of the President's actions, and his reasoning for going into Iraq. Maybe that labels me as something in your mind. But I cannot tell you how much I want to see Iraq and the Middle East turn around and stabilize. If it works in the long run, well, I'll be damned.
But my hope for the stabilization of Iraq and the Middle East does not make me automatically support the President's actions no matter what. I simply believe our current methods of needless destruction, humiliation, and bad economic policies of Iraq and its people will not result in stability. And that our current results of increased force may only act as a band-aid to an ever increasing wound. - korashime2001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5And so it goes that our capacity for evil is just as large as our capacity for good. What are you to make this world into?
- Nighttime, on 10/10/2007, -11/+16This has been on the front page for 25 mins......the libs are slow getting the bury brigade here.
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The Ba'athist Party is a secular pan-Arab party. Osama doesn't like secularity. He thinks the Saudi wahhabists are too lax.
- geekee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/17/nie.alqaeda/index.html
Report: Al Qaeda may use Iraq operatives to attack U.S.
Stop believing everything you read in the NYTimes -
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