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smh.com.au — For an increasing population of silent victims though, life in Democratic Republic of Congo has become a hellish pattern of sexual and physical torment. Along the eastern border region, a daily horror show is playing itself out, bolstered by the ambivalence of the world and the political vacuum created by decades of regional conflict.
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- MikeonTV, on 11/26/2007, -8/+197I am becoming desensitized to stories of disregard for life and selfish inhuman acts these days. What another terrible truth.
- tchynerd, on 11/26/2007, -22/+5Look up the Term "Disaster Pornography"
- nullx42, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8He said desensitized, not turned on. You sound like that dude of hostel. "ey, theres tis club.."
- Misogyny, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3I don't think the term means what you think is does.
- crackedlogic, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1how about, no.
- revenge7, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2http://www.videosift.com/video/Genre-by-Don-Hertzf ...
Too bad you get buried. Awesome reference.
- nullx42, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8He said desensitized, not turned on. You sound like that dude of hostel. "ey, theres tis club.."
- sanman, on 11/26/2007, -13/+3Ouch! Even just the title of this post is NSFW!
- MasterRex, on 11/26/2007, -17/+10Chocolate rain! Some stay dry while others feel the pain...
- MasterRex, on 11/26/2007, -5/+2 This wasn't meant to offend; just to add emphasis to general desensitization on poverty/minority subjects.
- OwdenBowden, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6When you have media outlets constantly beating you over the head with these images and stories, over and over and over again.... eventually you start to get numb and complacent - kind of like growing up in the "Big City".
Born and raised in NYC I remember seeing some horrific things in my life (dead bodies, stabbings, people in pools of blood...) and after a while you just have an "it's no big deal" attitude and move on with life.
It also does not help when programs designed for "Entertainment Purposes" (like Entertainment Tonight) are now calling themselves the Number one source for News.... As well as the focus of the news is anything that can kill or harm you - because after all it is all about ratings and making ad dollars.- kuzotz, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Yea that ***** freaked me out when I toured NYC ... Well when I saw a dead body in the street and how indifferent everyone was towards it.... Being from Oklahoma.. I was like shiiit that's a ***** dead body!!! Everyone is like "so?"
- MiDri, on 11/26/2007, -1/+7I think the world is indifferent to a lot of things. I just got back from New Orleans a few weeks ago (I'm from Oklahoma as well.) and the stuff I saw there was just crazy... Bourbon Street at night is crazy, They have pictures of people having sex right there in the window... Graphic *****! I never got ID'ed for booze either (and I look 15). The world is a crazy place, when you come from some where as peaceful and humble as Oklahoma...
- kuzotz, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Yea that ***** freaked me out when I toured NYC ... Well when I saw a dead body in the street and how indifferent everyone was towards it.... Being from Oklahoma.. I was like shiiit that's a ***** dead body!!! Everyone is like "so?"
- felchdonkey, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5I think one example of the desensitization of us all is the statement "We cannot ignore what's happening here and portray it as barbaric African culture, as it is sometimes portrayed."
I think many people do just that. We need to really take a hard look at what is going on and what can be done to change it, not just what we can do to feel better about ourselves for having tried.
I actually think we do need to look at the idea of "barbaric African culture." Perhaps there is something that needs to be changed about the culture itself. Certainly we have had parts of our own culture that we have changed as we evolved as a society. Pretending that that isn't the case here seems ineffective and wrong. - mightydavefish, on 11/26/2007, -1/+9REALLY?
You are desensitized to stuff like that?
I feel like no matter how many stories there are like this they all kick me in the gut. - Zhag89, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4"These days?" Humans will always be like this and forever will be, nothing new and yea ***** happens but that's how this place has worked like since the dawn of man.
- GuacamoleSan, on 11/26/2007, -2/+2Me too!
The problem is that the government is funding most of this stuff - mikesbaker, on 11/27/2007, -1/+2finally something to to be outraged about on digg that doesn't involve a taser
- krebcycle, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2finally?? You find solace in this story? This is far worse than some jackass being unfairly tased by a cop, this story turns my stomach.
- sjl127, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2The "DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC" !?!?!?
- phre3k187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1son of a gun
- tchynerd, on 11/26/2007, -22/+5Look up the Term "Disaster Pornography"
- thinkingserious, on 11/26/2007, -7/+101Long read, but worth it. This story needs to be told.
- Notyavgkat, on 11/26/2007, -9/+4definately, I really cannot comprehend how stuff like this really goes on in the world today....WTF.....We should have invaded the Congo....forget Iraq
- ours, on 11/26/2007, -1/+8Oh yeah, real smart. The last thing they need is more war.
- MrSunshine, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3"We should have invaded the Congo"
Belgium already did that. - Herostratos, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1No. It should be France, if anyone... According to this article (was on digg a couple of weeks ago) it is France's fault:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article ...
- active1x0, on 11/26/2007, -13/+3i can haz rape?
- tyywebb, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Seriously "men are forced to rape sisters and mothers at gun point." Ahh yup I think I would opt for the bullet at that point.
- lukeev, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1Wow what an easy decision it is for you then. They might give you your bullet, or might not kill you quite so quickly. How does torture and mutilation sound? But I guess it's an easy decision for you, no biggie.
- tyywebb, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Seriously "men are forced to rape sisters and mothers at gun point." Ahh yup I think I would opt for the bullet at that point.
- breezytrees, on 11/27/2007, -0/+0"Some stories, as horrific as they are, need to be read by everyone. This is one of them. Brian O'Connell reports."
wrong. emobrat's synopsis does just fine.
- Notyavgkat, on 11/26/2007, -9/+4definately, I really cannot comprehend how stuff like this really goes on in the world today....WTF.....We should have invaded the Congo....forget Iraq
- Paktu, on 11/26/2007, -26/+361I suspect I'm going to get dugg down for this comment, but I have to disagree with the article chastising us for our "ambivalence". I agree these events are a tragedy, but what the hell are we (the developed world) supposed to do about this? Send in troops? Bomb them? A major root cause of Africa's instability is Western meddling- in Congo's case, it was the Belgians, then the British, then the Americans. Maybe we ought to consider letting the citizens of Congo solve their own problems, rather than trying to fix it for them.
- chris9902, on 11/26/2007, -9/+110Maybe we could sell them lots of guns? that should help solve all of Africa's issues and make us a tidy profit. score!
- Rickler, on 11/26/2007, -10/+30Actually that is a great idea! Except we give them away to good citizens. Currently only militants and the military have weapons but if everyone was on equal ground.. I doubt a group of militants could rape pillage kill and enslave a village if every family had an AK47 lying around. Like in the movie Blood Diamond.
- flxfxp, on 11/26/2007, -6/+1Welcome in 1970
- m3t00, on 11/26/2007, -21/+2Ribbed for her pleasure.
- BECoole, on 11/26/2007, -2/+9Apparently there are plenty of weapons around. But it seems as though the victims are unwilling/unable to use them.
It would be interesting to find out why. - ours, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1That's what we're already doing now!
- DeviantDragon, on 11/26/2007, -2/+36I assume that the article looks to drive people to possible donate time and money towards relief or aid or towards bringing more awareness. That's the type of action that it seeks to inspire.
- nicholai, on 11/26/2007, -1/+17Yes but we would still need some type of armed force to stop these crimes from happening. I favor arming the locals so they can defend themselves. If you want proof that the UN is not the answer look here:
The perpetrators include the Interahamwe, the Hutu fighters who fled neighbouring Rwanda in 1994 after committing genocide there; the Congolese army; a random assortment of armed civilians; even United Nations peacekeepers, and increasingly, local civilians. - staticneuron, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Seriously speaking..... I highly doubt any nation would let that fly.
- nicholai, on 11/26/2007, -1/+17Yes but we would still need some type of armed force to stop these crimes from happening. I favor arming the locals so they can defend themselves. If you want proof that the UN is not the answer look here:
- MattL920, on 11/26/2007, -14/+145We should give them all laptops.
- MagicCake, on 11/26/2007, -31/+15Before this gentleman undoubtedly gets dugg down, I am going to go out on a limb and suggest he was referring to the $100 laptop project for developing countries. A common question regarding this idea is "what the ***** are starving kids going to do with computers?". In conclusion, the post is sarcasm and should be treated as such.
/sarcasm detection service- Myonosken, on 11/26/2007, -3/+31/everybodynoticed
- LocalDocal, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Like the guy right below?
- MagicCake, on 11/26/2007, -5/+5He was getting dugg down when I showed up, but... if you say so. It's not like there's an abundance of intelligence around here, so forgive me for trying to point out something that would usually be missed.
- pseudononymist, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1if he was getting dugg down, it was because some might have felt his sarcasm was what is often known in the digg world as, "too soon"
- Myonosken, on 11/26/2007, -3/+31/everybodynoticed
- HTIZ, on 11/26/2007, -16/+3people like you are the reason I don't sleep at night
- SuperCujo, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Is he in your mom's basement too?
- LargeTrout, on 11/26/2007, -2/+14Peace through porn? I doubt that will work.
- adrianwaj, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8Peace through first person shoot 'em ups...
- Matri, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Peace Through Superior Firepower.
- adrianwaj, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8Peace through first person shoot 'em ups...
- r3bol, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2ROFL
- MagicCake, on 11/26/2007, -31/+15Before this gentleman undoubtedly gets dugg down, I am going to go out on a limb and suggest he was referring to the $100 laptop project for developing countries. A common question regarding this idea is "what the ***** are starving kids going to do with computers?". In conclusion, the post is sarcasm and should be treated as such.
- Christbait, on 11/26/2007, -10/+26Let them fix their own problems. I'm tired of the Western governments nursing other countries problems as if to say they're too stupid to look after themselves. Europe and countries such as Britain and certainly America have had a history of solving their own issues. Troubled countries will eventually get so tired of violence that something ought to change.
- cecinestpasvrai, on 11/26/2007, -13/+15I agree with your non-interventionist stance on this, but I think the question also needs to be asked of how much the West still owes countries like the Congo. Much of the fighting in the country ( and others like it, Darfur, Rwanda) can usually be traced back to whenever it was colonized by England, France, Beligium or anyone else. Don't these countries have a certain obligation to clean up the mess they made?
- OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/26/2007, -3/+17No, because the current generation didn't make the problem so why should they care. Essentially, "Africa needs to get it's ***** together".
You see these types of comments on digg all the time. That is the reasoning used by people who like to thumb their noses at current 3rd world country situations without taking the time to understand how those countries ended up the way they are today.
- OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/26/2007, -3/+17No, because the current generation didn't make the problem so why should they care. Essentially, "Africa needs to get it's ***** together".
- l33tsauce, on 11/26/2007, -11/+14lol Fix their own problem? the way the middle eastern fix their own problem for the past 1000 or so years?
- pseudononymist, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Yes, because the Western world had nothing to do with that either...
- Bodhinature, on 11/27/2007, -1/+10If you knew a little world history you would know that the Middle East was doing pretty well for a thousand years before the West began meddling in their affairs. Middle Eastern empires were centers of science, education, culture and trade while the Europeans were wallowing in the mud and disease infested Dark Ages. Christians were dying of cholera and plague, Jews and Muslims were getting "saved" by the Inquisition at the same time Muslims lived peacefully alongside many religions and cultures in opulence and cleanliness. When did all of that end? Seems to me after WWI and the Western nations broke apart the Ottoman Empire and began governing the individual states that was once part of a vast and powerful empire.
- LargeTrout, on 11/26/2007, -2/+15I agree with this. The West's meddling (especially in Africa) rarely solves the real issues. If we sent troops in, they'll hate us and become terrorists (which is essentially what caused all the West's problems with the Middle East). Africa really needs to start solving its own problems. I'm not saying we shouldn't give them financial aid in times of crisis (like drought, famine, etc); but regarding Africa's politics, I think we've done enough damage as it is.
- rlh1, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8"" A major root cause of Africa's instability is Western meddling- in Congo's case, it was the Belgians, then the British, then the Americans ""
How exactly did America meddle in the Congo that caused it to become this way?- aaleksey, on 11/26/2007, -2/+5By actively influencing the politics of the country in the early post-colonial period, being complicit in the murder of socialist-leaning congolese politician Patrice Lumumba and installing and supporting over the years the kleptocratic regime of Mobutu Sese-Seko, one of the worst country leaders the world has ever seen, Without CIA intervention Mobutu could not have grabbed power and without american support over years his regime would not have stand a chance of surviving. US only cared about winning proxy cold-war battles in Africa at the time, the plight of people had been of very little concern. One has to admit that this past american meddling in Congo affairs apart from contributing to the general collapse of civil society has little to do with todays' conflict in eastern DRC - the troubles there are mostly the aftershocks of Rwandan genocide of 1994.
- rlh1, on 11/26/2007, -1/+4Ah, the old CIA installed argument. Every bad dictator in history was installed by the CIA, all benevolent and good ones were overthrown by the CIA. I think that Mobutu, from what little I have read, staged his own seizure of power and liquidated his rivals. He was anti-communist because the Soviets and to a lesser extent, the Chinese, were arming rebels to overthrow him. Since he was anti-communist, the US backed him, because the Soviets had 10,000 warheads aimed at them. ----- which brings up a curious question, why does the US get blamed for intervention in Africa, but Cuba, the Soviets, get a pass since they were actively supporting rebels to overthrow governments. It seems that Ethiopia was relatively OK by African standards, when the Soviet backed coup overthrew Haile Selassie and installed their pro-Soviet dictatorship and resulting chaos and famine....why are the Soviets exempt from blame ?
- sinrtb, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1@rlh1: because the soviets that did that are now gone? The whole soviet philosophy that existed in the cold war is nowhere in the soviet union today.
- rlh1, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1True, but you also don't see the US meddling in Africa to stop Soviet backed rebels anymore.....the cause and the effect has disappered.
- DogBotherer, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1I have no idea on the validity of any of this, but I just did a search on America and Congo and came up with this: http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000216. ...
- rlh1, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2America had an interest in driving subsistence farmers off their land by flooding the country with wheat?
What the hell for, who are they going to sell their wheat to. Poor subsistence framers who have no money?
- rlh1, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2America had an interest in driving subsistence farmers off their land by flooding the country with wheat?
- aaleksey, on 11/26/2007, -2/+5By actively influencing the politics of the country in the early post-colonial period, being complicit in the murder of socialist-leaning congolese politician Patrice Lumumba and installing and supporting over the years the kleptocratic regime of Mobutu Sese-Seko, one of the worst country leaders the world has ever seen, Without CIA intervention Mobutu could not have grabbed power and without american support over years his regime would not have stand a chance of surviving. US only cared about winning proxy cold-war battles in Africa at the time, the plight of people had been of very little concern. One has to admit that this past american meddling in Congo affairs apart from contributing to the general collapse of civil society has little to do with todays' conflict in eastern DRC - the troubles there are mostly the aftershocks of Rwandan genocide of 1994.
- hustl3, on 11/26/2007, -11/+1You think you are so cool using reverse psychology to get dugg up... It is all about culture and education. You are making this situation seem like if it is happening in the middle east and it is not. People in the middle east have a strong religious and therefore "moral" foundation in order for the majority of the population not to commit these attrocities. I suggest you don't ever mention a word ever again about issues in other areas of the world where people don't giver a damn if you suspect getting dugg down or not. You live in the "developed world" does that make you not human and not have the ability to see that this is a problem that needs aid from other places rather than their own corrupt-ass-women-degrading government?? I dugg you down you digg-biatch
- mcrumiller, on 11/26/2007, -4/+3Religion doesn't provide moral foundation period. The countries with the least amount of atrocities committed are also the most atheistic.
What I think is we need to hire a group of very good experts--psychologists, economists, etc.--and try to determine exactly why this is happening. I can't possibly imagine myself committing these horrible acts of rape; I doubt any digg reader can (and I certainly hope not). Yet at the same time, it's difficult to imagine that every single one of the men committing these acts is inherently a "bad person." The fact that so many horrible acts happen there and very few here cry out "environment" and its effects on peoples' psychologies. Something is driving these groups towards such aversive mental states, and we need to get to the root of the problem. Which I suspect providing aid for victims would not do. Not to say, of course, that aid isn't more than necessary--but I don't think it would solve the problem.- hustl3, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1Why do you think I put the quotation marks??? "Moral"...
- mcrumiller, on 11/26/2007, -4/+3Religion doesn't provide moral foundation period. The countries with the least amount of atrocities committed are also the most atheistic.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -4/+4A lot of these problems are the result of developed nations interference. Darfur, is an effort of China's to get at oil. In other areas, it's gold or diamonds. In Iraq -- well, you know the story.
It's a lot easier to create a civil war and desperation, and then sell both the weapons, and control the cheap flow of resources out of the country. All you need do is maintain chaos, and you don't need to control much of anything, beyond whatever dictator is around (for the exports). Often, weapons are sold to both sides with perhaps an intermediary inbetween so that they don't get jealous. If it looks like the government or the revolutionaries are getting the upper hand -- time to "grow a conscience" and restrict weapons to the winning side.
I'm starting to feel that MOST of the worlds big problems are created so that someone can profit. Giving to a charity might make you feel good -- but essentially, all the problems and solutions are political. If the US had a representative government, we could make ours STOP THIS. Yes, that is possible. But it would entail not exporting weapons anymore and forcing our allies to stop doing it. When only Russia and China are exporting weapons, then MAYBE we can shame them. Until that time, it's all rhetoric. - sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -2/+6You all say this until you find out all Gorillas are extinct or the rain forest there is completely obliterated due to perpetual civil war. It's not always so easy as 'cut them loose and ignore them'. There are interests other than oil and commerce in 3rd world countries. It may seem to easy to place black and white judgements on a complex situation, but the Congo is terrible scar on the face of mankind and its not finished growing in size yet.
- djbon2112, on 11/26/2007, -4/+4I agree completely, it's about time someone with an intelligent view of the situation gets dugg up!
Leave Africa alone, stop the aid, stop meddling. Let them have their civil wars, until the people get tired of the ***** and rise up, and they can then clean themselves up. The west in general has never helped Africa, only hurt, so we should just leave it alone.- starkruzr, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1What if that takes hundreds of years?
- djbon2112, on 11/27/2007, -1/+2Then it takes hundreds of years. It's better than to keep meddling in their affairs and worsening the problem for another century.
The simple fact is, if you give a homeless (or poor; and I'm not a racist with this, it applies to all the 3rd world) man a sandwich and $20 every day, what incentive does he have to improve his situation? This is precisely what we're doing in Africa: "here's some free crap, take it, you'll get more next week". They will never become self-reliant like that. - ZenMojo, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Too bad we keep selling them the guns they're using to kill those too weak to defend themselves.
- djbon2112, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1I agree. This too must end, we have to get out of their business, completely!
- djbon2112, on 11/27/2007, -1/+2Then it takes hundreds of years. It's better than to keep meddling in their affairs and worsening the problem for another century.
- Arguman, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1While I don't think the US in particular should be seen as the world's policeman, the thinking that the only way the US can help other countries is by military force is rather myopic.
But on the point, if the US had gone into WWII earlier, like, say, when Britain did, maybe we would have found the concentration camps earlier and not as many people would have died?
Diplomacy and humanitarian aid should be offered at the very least.
- starkruzr, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1What if that takes hundreds of years?
- BlazinEurasian, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Most economists believe that foreign aid disrupts the invisible hand. Look what 60 years of aid have done to Africa. They have AIDS - puns aside, the standard of living in Africa is almost the same as 60 years ago after countless billions of foreign aid. What Africa needs is investment in infrastructure and non-primary resource development. Uneducated people rely on primary industry exports, but when the resource is expended, no lasting real infrastructure is developed. The countries mining Africa are based in the developed world.
- Existenz87, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1Its true we probably shouldn't play world police in other countries. Donations help and all but are donations really going to stop squads of rapists running around everywhere in that country? If there is some way of making this stop it needs to be from within the country. Wage a cultural war of values instead of one where these ***** up Haliburton types get involved. Ideally, I think they should pull themselves up off their feet, but that looks like it will take a long time. Aside from backing a religious regime I don't know of many high speed ways to change people without slaughtering thousands. Religion is the only way I can think of, but it can easily be manipulated into violence.
- uberape, on 11/27/2007, -3/+0Wow, never posted before, but this one got me.
Okay, I want to make sure that I am hearing you correctly. European nations came in originally and colonized this area. They then left abruptly and the infrastructure completely collapsed as a result. Now, let's all say f*ck them and let them figure out their own problems when we may have the means to bring effective change.
DOES THAT ABOUT SUM UP WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE... - ZenFeminist, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1I agree with your sentiment, but I think it is a rather idyllic notion that African countries (which are run by men) are going to suddenly care about African women. Rape has always been seen as a "Woman's Problem", even though it is men committing the violent act. Rape is about domination and control and since these displaced guerrilla fighters are not allowed back into their home countries, they rape and mutilate women as a way to regain some of that lost control. (Or as in other countries in Africa the rape and genital mutilation of women is a religious act, again performed by men) Only recently in the US have men started awareness programs educating young men/ teenagers about rape prevention. Just now people here are realizing that we live in a Rape Culture and it is not just a "Woman's Problem". The first step in solving the problem is about education and prevention. It would be amazing if their own government would see to instituting such a program, but seeing as that is very unlikely it may have to come from an outside international organization.
- chris9902, on 11/26/2007, -9/+110Maybe we could sell them lots of guns? that should help solve all of Africa's issues and make us a tidy profit. score!
- jcm267, on 11/26/2007, -31/+4...
- MagicCake, on 11/26/2007, -2/+12Squall?
- Digg4This, on 11/26/2007, -6/+27I know this will sound callous but over here in the UK(I am an American abroad) they aired a great documentary called Blood Diamonds. At the end they talked about the current situation and how it is highly preferable to the rampant genocidal atrocities committed just a few years back. The way they are trying to get past this is that both victims and criminals are told to forgive and apologize respectively. For a nation so heavily impoverished this really is the only alternative they currently have. Anyways back to the callous part, I think that what is going on now is supremely better than the chaos before(just look it up, the tragedy was horrific). I agree with the submitter above that we as Westerners trying to solve the problem will make it worse- perhaps not in the short term we are there of 3 months, but in the timescale of 10 years.
- interg12, on 11/26/2007, -3/+2I saw it class for IR. didn't sleep for like 2 days.
- markmoogal, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7There were similar processes in South Africa, Argentina and other countries, called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where perpetrators and victims were brought together in one room and encouraged to apologise and forgive respectively. In South Africa this was mostly successful.
What happened in the Ivory Coast, as far as I remember, is that the perpetrators reneged on the deal at least twice. The UN bungled by giving the perpetrators amnesty, then withdrawing from the area, dusting off their hands as if everything would be fine from then on. The RUF came back with machetes and started hacking people's hands off, while the UN took another couple of months to figure out what to do next. I'm sorry, but I get really angry when I see this kind of stupidity.
My point is that the UN can do something; it just takes too much politicking and finger-twiddling to get things done.
- Wacer, on 11/26/2007, -7/+9What a disaster that area has been for years. I don't know what anyone can do though. The UN troops kept up their reputation as ineffective when they were there. The US can't send in real soldiers as they are over extended as it is and I don't know if it would do any good. No other nations seem interested in getting involved. Looks like they are ***** out of luck.
- sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4The US doesn't want any part of that conflict. The warlords in many of the war-torn african nations make Iraq look like a cake walk. Somalia isn't even as bad off as the Congo and they were dragging dead US soliders bodies through the streets. I have no idea why the US military would want to deal with more guerrilla fighting.
- xero69, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1I guess these people are too poor or too scared to simply relocate to a safer area? I see mention of a river, maybe they could build a boat and move to a safer area? I would think being broke and homeless would be better than being in grave physical danger. But then again what do I know as a spoiled American...
- DesertDude, on 11/26/2007, -23/+67It's stories like this that make me view natural disasters as blessings for Earth, as humanity going extinct is really just evil going extinct. Rape here, murder there, torture here, mutilation there, genocide here, mass graves there, dolphin saves humans, humans (Japanese) slaughter dolphins, it's endless. We humans have forfeited our right to exist on this Earth.
- rjosal, on 11/26/2007, -2/+61I am a human, and I don't consider myself to have forfeited my right to exist on earth... but, point taken.
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -7/+7You probably dont consider yourself but then again, you probably think that witnessing (or ignoring) genocide and doing nothing is also ok.
if you didnt do anything to stop the horrible ***** that goes on in the name of humanity, then you are just as guilty and the ones pulling the triggers and doing the killing.
If youre not part of the solution, youre part of the problem. Id say 99.999% of ppl fall into this category.
It is rare to see a human actually doing something effective to improve our living situation and impact on the world in a positive way.
Nearly all humans only care about money and almost anyone would have 1000 ppl in congo die in an instant if it meant
they could get an extra 100k$ for their family.- ProPhit76, on 11/26/2007, -4/+2@acidbass
very well put.. - Zeonix, on 11/26/2007, -4/+0The key phrase there is "for their family". Shocking. People care more about those who are close to them than they do about people they don't know. Go read up on the monkeysphere.
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1my point was your family doesnt need an extra 100k, you might *want* an extra 100k, but what we really need is food clothing and shelter. You dont *need* another 100k, you are an american, you can work a crappy job and have food clothing and shelter and even start a business and earn 100k.
Lets take my hypothesis further though and say any american family would have 1000 africans killed for 1Million? 10Million?
As the value of the unnecessary amount of money goes up, so would the number of people willing to kill 1000 innocent africans theyve never met before.
This is a very common pattern in human nature, Humans are very vulnerable to greed. I wouldnt want to have 1000 africans dead so i can get my kid into ivy league instead of state school. I wouldnt want 1000 africans dead b/c i wanted a mansion and a ferrari either.
But many many many people do. 99.9999% mightbe too much, but seriously, its gotta be in the 90-something percent range.
When given a choice of a better lifestyle for me at the cost of people dying ive never met, or my existing lifestyle with ppl still alive and healthy, ppl will almost pathologically pick the money, then make a smarmy joke about it as if its funny.
Humans are just greedy, when it comes to human life, we dont value it the same way we value money.
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1my point was your family doesnt need an extra 100k, you might *want* an extra 100k, but what we really need is food clothing and shelter. You dont *need* another 100k, you are an american, you can work a crappy job and have food clothing and shelter and even start a business and earn 100k.
- logic, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2I don't believe anyone I know would have even 1 person in the Congo slaughtered in exchange for 100k$. Maybe that's why none of us have 100k$ :-/
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2you know more than 90% of congress falls into this category, right?
- jorisb, on 11/26/2007, -1/+6"If youre not part of the solution, youre part of the problem"
This is ridiculous, do you have any idea how many problems there are in the world. If I'm not constantly solving other culture's sick problems.. I'm part of the problem?
"Nearly all humans only care about money and almost anyone would have 1000 ppl in congo die in an instant if it meant
they could get an extra 100k$ for their family."
This is, arguably, the dumbest conclusion I've possibly ever read on Digg- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1oh really?
So even though our congress takes bribes from big corporations so they can spread their corruption internationally which result in the deaths of innocent africans, you think thats completely unrelated and made up?
So if the us elected officials didnt take any money from evil big corporations and voted the right way, then youre saying that all those innocent africans would still die?
Do you even know why theyre dying by the hundreds of thousands over there?
Do you even know where Congo is on a map?
Does your mom know youre using the computer? - jorisb, on 11/26/2007, -0/+21) You have no proof that congress is taking bribes to "spread their corruption internationally"
2) The rest of your little rebuttal also does not explain at all how you feel that we are all just as guilty as the men who pull these triggers.
3) my knowledge of where the congo lies, or my mom have nothing to do with your argument. And no, I couldn't point it out on a map.
also, tell me, what have you personally done to improve the lives of women in the congo?
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1oh really?
- MorbenDK, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3By your account, everyone is guilty, unless they are actively working to stop this madness. But, many people are- every time someone does something productive for a civilized society, they are working against it. Every time a teacher speaks to her class, a garbageman picks up the trash, a policemans walk the beat-- an so on, everywhere that people work together in a society.
There IS greed- it fuels the people committing these atrocities, and t those who would let others die for their own profit- but that does not mean we are all as guilty as they.- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Check yourself MorbenDK, even by *your own account* everyone is guilty. Were just not as guilty as the rest of them you say.
But, we are still guilty, and i am aware of the dilemma you talk about.
How can i go to a peace protest against a war for oil in Wash DC if i have to drive my gas powered car there?
I might as well stay home.
But im sorry, I fail to see how *everytime* someone does something productive it produces a negative effect.
If i see a seed on the ground next to a plant and i plant it, how did i work against civilization? - MorbenDK, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3Perhaps I didn't write things properly.
At no point in my post did I wish to imply that every productive action has a negative effect.
What I was implying is that people ARE doing something about it by being civilized human beings and helping to better the world through cooperation-
Although I agree that something should be done, I don't see everyone as guilty- That's too black and white- by your account, a 2 year old is guilty. I don't agree with that.
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Check yourself MorbenDK, even by *your own account* everyone is guilty. Were just not as guilty as the rest of them you say.
- ProPhit76, on 11/26/2007, -4/+2@acidbass
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -7/+7You probably dont consider yourself but then again, you probably think that witnessing (or ignoring) genocide and doing nothing is also ok.
- nicholai, on 11/26/2007, -6/+4Natural disasters only seem to make the problems you listed even worse. I think we can start by ending the "war on drugs" because this causes our government to support tyrannical regimes around the world that "ban drugs" while being repressive towards civilized regimes simply because they refuse to submit to our "war on drugs" (same apples to the "war on terror").
- mlvassallo, on 11/26/2007, -5/+5I was with you up until the whole "dolphin saves humans" thing...
- ours, on 11/26/2007, -2/+2Maybe he took The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy a wee too seriously.
"Thanks for all the fish". - VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -2/+5No, he is talking about all the stories of Dolphins saving people from drowning. Even Orcas have been known to do this. Either it is a natural response they have from struggling newborns who they must bring to the surface to breathe, or that these animals recognize humans as somehow worth saving -- it's hard to say. The point is, we don't return the favor.
- DesertDude, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Dolphins save humans on a regular basis, from drowning and from sharks. Here's the most recent story:
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?i ...
A shark attack a surfer three times and peeled his skin off, until he was saved by dolphins.
- ours, on 11/26/2007, -2/+2Maybe he took The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy a wee too seriously.
- guy6600crazy, on 11/26/2007, -4/+11"There is only one living organism that replicates the pattern of Humans - A Virus" - Quote from The Matrix. We love to destroy everything around us so that we can live. We kill others for fun. As we evolved we learned how to wear clothes, how to behave to others, Now, as years go by slowly we are going back to our savage habits, we start to wear less clothes and we start to rape and kill. Really a Perfect Reverse Evolution.
- Matt2k, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4Maybe. I think all species on earth is intrinsically cooperative, or at least mostly ambivalent towards each other. Or they wouldn't be here today. Kind of like I wouldn't expect to see a warmongering alien race. They would have killed themselves off.
And life a thousand years ago was pretty brutal. A different kind of savagery. There are still great horrors in this world and lots of work to be done. But I don't think we're going in reverse. - VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1We wear less clothes?
Is this about Paris Hilton? Who did she kill?
No, it isn't a savage primitive time we are going back to. You might find warring tribes or very peaceful tribes in less developed areas of the world. Humans seem to have become most violent to others in civilization. People left alone seem to be pretty peaceful. You have to have religion and government to get people to decide to in mass go out and murder another large group of people.
I wouldn't be too hard on people -- though these things bother me. I think this is probably something that any advanced species would have to overcome. If rats had large brains, and ruled the earth, they'd probably be grafting turtle heads onto people just to find out what happens.
We need to foster more REAL democracies, and get rid of all the Psychopaths who seem to end up running corporations and governments. Really the problem is the worst of humanity getting to tell a lot of other people what to do. In a tribe-like situation, where more people could interact with these failed humans, they would be put out of the gene pool. - esmo, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Get off digg and think logically about your statement. Your blanket statement is completely incorrect, on top of being based off a Matrix quote.
- NonServium, on 11/26/2007, -0/+0You're right, we should feel guilty for what we've been told others have done.
- Matt2k, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4Maybe. I think all species on earth is intrinsically cooperative, or at least mostly ambivalent towards each other. Or they wouldn't be here today. Kind of like I wouldn't expect to see a warmongering alien race. They would have killed themselves off.
- m3t00, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6Life on this planet has always been dog eat dog. Civilized behavior is possible when there are plenty of resources to go around.
- arjie, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1There were enough for a comfortable life, once upon a time. Of course, the way people seem to be there can never be plenty of resources to go around.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1Scarcity is created for those who have too much to get more.
Why is the US doing horrible things around the world? Profits. You don't think everyone here can eat all the Big Macs they want? We have plenty of resources. But we are driven to consume more and throw things away, so that we can make the providers of these resources even wealthier. Too many resources? Out government starts a war.- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1If only history backed you up, you'd have a point. But it doesn't, so you're a nutter.
- kdhoffman, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1Read Atlas Shrugged.
- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4God, why?
- NonServium, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6So um... if all humans are evil and don't even deserve the right to exist, then why would humans being raped and having guns shot in their vagina be a tragedy? After all, those gals are human too, so they must deserve it too right?
Or is it that you can feel empathy for them, but you can't even recognize my humanity enough to not cheer if I get killed in a natural disaster?
Guilt by association; ultimate genocide; these are such lovely things you promote. - tumeric88, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1So become a suicide bomber and speed up the process
- Herostratos, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1Yeah, because no animals rape each other ever - and they would surely never eat each others kids, or cruelly mutilate each other for fun like a cat and a mouse... Or be parasites on each other or anything like that.
- kurocrow, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1
This comment is unintentionally funny because it decries humanity for engaging in genocide and rape and then only the Japanese specifically for killing dolphins. Because no one anywhere else in the world has ever killed a dolphin.
Hey, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that as much as you like pissing and moaning about these things, your attempts to address these issues are probably limited to little more than sitting around on your ass watching sensationalist news broadcasts, which explains why you have no idea that Peru and the Solomon Islands ALSO engage in hunting said animals.
Instead of getting holier-than-thou on Digg, how's about you just remove yourself from the system altogether? The world as a whole will thank you for your contribution. - merreborn, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Your nihilistic only worsens the situation you find so woeful.
- rjosal, on 11/26/2007, -2/+61I am a human, and I don't consider myself to have forfeited my right to exist on earth... but, point taken.
- mnmleon, on 11/26/2007, -65/+3bury, out of respect to the women...
- DesertDude, on 11/26/2007, -1/+71Yeah, nothing is more respectful than concealing their suffering and muzzling their cries for help.
- ronaldinho, on 11/26/2007, -2/+18DUGG, out of respect to the women and other victims. This story NEEDS our attention
- meachen, on 11/26/2007, -17/+4Long and very very sad story.......black dude from transformers: BRING THE RAIN
- colonelbuckshot, on 11/26/2007, -2/+40The frequency of rape in DR Congo is just unreal and it's better we in the West hear about these stories than burying our heads in the sand. There have even been cases of pregnant women who had their babies cut out of their wombs, then raped repeatedly.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12911 ...- colonelbuckshot, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2Other weapons of terror are also being used, including torture and cannibalism:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2661365.stm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story ...
- colonelbuckshot, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2Other weapons of terror are also being used, including torture and cannibalism:
- nicholai, on 11/26/2007, -11/+12"The perpetrators include the Interahamwe, the Hutu fighters who fled neighbouring Rwanda in 1994 after committing genocide there; the Congolese army; a random assortment of armed civilians; even United Nations peacekeepers, and increasingly, local civilians."
As you can see the UN is not only useless, they are actually committing these crimes themselves. We need to arm the locals so they can defend themselves. - tchynerd, on 11/26/2007, -10/+4Would people please look up the phrase "Disaster Pornography" before submitting stuff like this!
(Link provided for more information)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_pornography- owlfeathers, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1It's quite a sad day when we've become desensatized to things such as this. I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been moved by human suffering in a long time and that in itself upsets me more than anything I've read for quite awhile.
- owlfeathers, on 11/26/2007, -1/+12As soon as I read that title, I knew this was about DRCongo. How bad is that? :/
- scabbers, on 11/26/2007, -25/+66We can't even stop our own troops raping and murdering, what hope do we have of controlling the bad guys in Africa?
- datastorageguy, on 11/26/2007, -10/+22One case in over 100,000 soldiers in Iraq. Hard to find the equivalent in relation to this story. Not even a decent attempt at America bashing.
- deadmann, on 11/26/2007, -10/+1Numerous cases elsewhere. Where they are supposed to be allies no less.
- GeyserShitdick, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8Please provide us with examples.
- deadmann, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Google yourself. 'Okinawa rape'. Numerous cases. All black. Just so the 'evil white man' thought doesn't crop up.
- GeyserShitdick, on 11/26/2007, -2/+8Please provide us with examples.
- guy6600crazy, on 11/26/2007, -3/+18Yeah even though Iraq invasion was a big mistake, the US soldiers have really behaved nice to women in Iraq. Btw i am not an American.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -3/+4I agree with datastorageguy -- but I'd have to say it's probably closer to 1 in 1,000, or 1 in 100. Female troops have talked about sleeping with a gun under their pillow. I'd say that, this is another problem that needs to be looked at, and it's either the callous stupidity we've seen so often from our administration, or just callous duplicity as they are trying to make life worse for troops on purpose. They sent 300,000 young men and women (including all those contractors), mostly young, healthy and in sexual prime, to a country where doing the nasty with a "professional" can get you killed. Not that getting "hard up" causes rape, but it sure doesn't help the situation. They have a very definitive study out now, that shows that for every 10% increase in porn, the chance of rape goes down 7% -- so, sorry moralists, you once again don't understand human nature. -- Sorry, had to get that off my chest. In many wars of the past, behind the scenes, our military would import hookers to 'get the job done' and not steal secrets from the troops or spread the clap. So there is rape going on in Iraq, but it's not for the same reasons and not nearly as sick as what is going on in the Congo.
The Congo situation is completely different; this is part of a hazing ritual to make the troops ruthless. Everyone gets the new kid (and I do mean kid) to rape and then kill some girl -- or they kill him. At least, that's what I was seeing in some documentaries of "Child soldiers" and it also talked about using lots of powerful drugs. - crackedlogic, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3so one case of brutal rape and murder is ok? Why not ten? How about 20? How many cases is too many cases of soldiers raping a 14 year old girl and killing her whole family?
- deadmann, on 11/26/2007, -10/+1Numerous cases elsewhere. Where they are supposed to be allies no less.
- zachshmack, on 11/27/2007, -0/+4Over-generalizing ftw.
- exgiexpcv, on 11/27/2007, -1/+3Our troops have performed outstandingly in some of the worst environments you can throw at them. Are there assholes in uniform? Absolutely. Criminals? Yes. The overwhelming majority are not, however, and are outstanding professionals given the ***** they have to deal with daily. In we were in the same room, I would be clarifying this to you.
- datastorageguy, on 11/26/2007, -10/+22One case in over 100,000 soldiers in Iraq. Hard to find the equivalent in relation to this story. Not even a decent attempt at America bashing.
- DickyT83, on 11/26/2007, -6/+2I'm sure one of the major problems is this men who are from the smaller villages and what not, are coming to the decision that why should they start a family and have the high probability of having to endure this, when they can just join the rebels and not have to worry about any major emotional attachments.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4If you don't join the rebels, they cut your hands off.
If, after you join the rebels, and don't partake of the rape, torture and killing -- then they do it to you.
This isn't about choosing what to do on a Friday night.- lukeev, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2well said.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4If you don't join the rebels, they cut your hands off.
- largobargo, on 11/26/2007, -35/+10The brothers do the same thing over here in America.
- daniel, on 11/26/2007, -6/+11"the brothers"? come on, go back to your clan meeting.
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2I'm a brother in America. Tell me what it is you think I'm doing?
- zombies187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Here is a hint: I'm doing it REALLY hard.
- Smokersroom, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Truly horrific.
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1 Indeed...America won't help though cause this region is useless to them. if they can't get money out of n area,they really don't care.
- MorbenDK, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3This isn't an America issue... it's a human one.
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1 Indeed...America won't help though cause this region is useless to them. if they can't get money out of n area,they really don't care.
- panicofficer, on 11/26/2007, -5/+46This quote is too true. We seem to care more about African animals than the people.
"During the war here, just one silver back was killed. And when it happened, within 48 hours millions in funding was sent to ensure the rest of the gorilla population was protected. Why isn't the same done with our women? I'll tell you why, because in the eyes of the international community animals have more value than humans in this part of the world.""- mlvassallo, on 11/26/2007, -6/+13There was more outrage to the Japanese "slaughtering" dolphins than there was to any story about human tragedy this year on digg. That should tell you something.
- OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/26/2007, -11/+5Because animal rights people are ***** idiots.
- scojerroc, on 11/26/2007, -1/+13because our species isn't endangered
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -2/+14Wow. Let's blame peace activists, green peace, and animal rights on all the worlds problems.
This is like blaming conservationists for the fires in California -- and I heard that a plenty on the news. Clearing out dead brush is one thing -- but clear-cutting whole forests is what conservationists fight, and that only leaves more dry grassland.
But this just pisses me off. The fact that someone has a program in place to protect wild gorillas as ZERO, diddly-squat to do with the atrocities that people in a war can commit. Whether or not this is another right-wing urban legend to demonize people who get in the way of profits or not, it really doesn't matter. You have to be really thin on logic to equate caring MORE about one issue, being the same thing as condoning NOT CARING about another. Have you asked any "tree huggers" what they might think? I'm pretty sure they just interviewed each other on Fox for this gem.
Animal rights activists are not condoning killing people. They just care more about animals than other people do. Is this like being a Christian makes someone value other non-Christian life less? Or is this a situation where, it really depends upon people who value other human life less?
The outrage at human atrocities is hard to compare because there is so much of it that you can get worn out. The animals, at least, don't require air-dropping troops.- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -7/+3Animal rights people are lunatics who care more about animals than they do about people. They don't deserve any respect.
- exgiexpcv, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2They speak for those that can't speak for themselves, much like homicide detectives do. Most of humanity's problems today are of our own making. The rest of life on this planet is like a two-year-old infant in rush hour traffic, save that some have evolved ways to get us before we get them. The rest is basically meatsocks. Animal rights activists do have extremists in their ranks, but the majority seek to protect species that are frequently on the verge of extinction events, namely, meeting us.
- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -7/+3Animal rights people are lunatics who care more about animals than they do about people. They don't deserve any respect.
- Darkmessiahnz, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1If it was in a European countrie(European descent I mean) it's really because lots of the world dosn't care about native africans simply because they are african.
- Ctfrey, on 11/26/2007, -5/+7This is horrible, I wish that the world would actually pay attention. Those attackers should die horrible deaths.
- Sithlrd, on 11/26/2007, -4/+77no oil = no intervention
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1I say we just send them condoms and machetes, work the problem at both ends until it solves itself.
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Thanks for that. Ron Paul FTW much?
- floorman56, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Now that Australia, Italy, Spain, Poland are pulling there people out of Iraq ...Why don't they go there? After all we know only the U.S. goes to war for oil
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1You are correct. The US is the moral equivalent to every other country who is not helping the Congolese. The question is should we do better? Or are you satisfied with being like these other countries.
- amenhotep, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1ahahaha.. US doing better...that made my day.
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1If you think we can't do better than nothing, then I feel sorry for you, my friend.
- floorman56, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5The question is should we do better?
NO!!! Every time we do the world says we are sticking our noises in other country's business. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Neither can you. Should there be a GWOT? How about international trade? Are you a strict isolationist or do YOU want it both ways?
- floorman56, on 11/27/2007, -1/+2Should there be a GWOT?
Yes ... In that case THEY CAME HERE AND KILLED PEOPLE ....Oh and they said they WILL do it again.- zombies187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1But we shouldn't help the Congolese because "NO!!! Every time we do the world says we are sticking our noises in other country's business. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!"
(The part in quotes is in a high squeaky voice.)
YOU can't have it both ways, sir.
- zombies187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1But we shouldn't help the Congolese because "NO!!! Every time we do the world says we are sticking our noises in other country's business. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!"
- amenhotep, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1ahahaha.. US doing better...that made my day.
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1You are correct. The US is the moral equivalent to every other country who is not helping the Congolese. The question is should we do better? Or are you satisfied with being like these other countries.
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1I say we just send them condoms and machetes, work the problem at both ends until it solves itself.
- Metman, on 11/26/2007, -0/+18Amazing 450,000+ deaths later, someone is finally noticing the conflict in the Congo? Guess when there is no political agenda the loss of life is not as significant.
- ronaldinho, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7One death is a tragedy; one million deaths is a statistic. So *****-up true.
- Hillsfar, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3I wish the Congo had oil.
- ours, on 11/26/2007, -1/+5I wish not, for their sake. Then they'll be killing each other over that and the World would look away as look as the oil flows.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2People have been noticing this for a while -- only the Bush administration won't bring it up as an issue. They are too busy trying to borrow money to actually care.
- guy6600crazy, on 11/26/2007, -5/+15Oh my God! Horrible! Troops raping women is no new story but every time i read one a feeling of sadness grips me. This is reverse evolution. We are going back to the Ape culture.
- AgentAce, on 11/26/2007, -2/+3Duh.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3Apes don't seem to do this on a wide scale.
- Herostratos, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1Actually there has been documentet cases of chimpanzees commiting genocide on another flock.
- sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4Only humans act based on hate. Animals are only after food, territory, and survival. Torture, rape, and mass destruction are results of a lust for power and hatred of other members of the species.
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1 Each one of the worthless scum bags should be shot,then tied to a tree someplace to slowly die.
- lukeev, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1that makes you just as bad as them
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1 Each one of the worthless scum bags should be shot,then tied to a tree someplace to slowly die.
- merreborn, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1"This is reverse evolution. We are going back to the Ape culture."
Going back? I've got news for you -- it's always been this bad, or worse. There has never been a time in human history that was not marked by war, rape, and oppression.
To go back, we'd have to have evolved past these things at some point. We haven't. We've never been closer than we are now.
- morph988, on 11/26/2007, -35/+2Lets see..... Men = bad.... women = good. ***** that, for every bad man, there was a bad woman who raised him. I see women as the root of this whole problem. ***** all you women who think men are just bad people when it was you who raised them. ***** you.
- owlfeathers, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4This story isn't about "bad men". And these "bad men" may have been good men at one time. War can really ***** you up in ways you can't even imagine.
RTFA. This is about women AND men being brutalized and no one has done anything to stop it. - spawnfree, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6The men who do this kind of thing are taken from their families when young and indoctrinated, forced to kill (sometimes their friends) and given one of several different drugs to keep them under control and ready to kill.
They are being manufactured for use by warmongering gang leaders and it is hard to tell the military and rebels apart any more.
It is the cycle of violence in its most pure state, with each new generation traumatized to the point that they want to take up arms against anyone.
So what are the solutions?
The violence usually springs up around something of worth; diamonds or oil, that people want to sell to the west. Whoever takes control of these resources is systematically attacked by other leaders who want all the wealth for themselves.
There is simply nothing that can be done apart from offering ordinary poor people a way out to live in another country and let the combatants wipe themselves out.
Which then prompts the question; who will take on all the refugees?
***** breaks my heart. Humans who love wealth over life cause this ***** and i hope they get reborn into it forever. - BreathofCepheus, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1So let's all go around shooting women after we rape them, cuz it's our mother's fault..
- owlfeathers, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4This story isn't about "bad men". And these "bad men" may have been good men at one time. War can really ***** you up in ways you can't even imagine.
- chaos7, on 11/26/2007, -3/+9can you imagine what it's like to be one of these women that raises a baby, pregnated by the man that raped her?
- mal1964, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2I think at best just a few people on digg that can truly imagine .
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4Ummm,if you are shot in the vagina,the chances of you surviving to have a baby are slim as you will bleed to death...Especially since the bullet won't stop there...
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1This is why giving them guns won't help. What's happens to the baby after momma dies defending them?
- lastrite, on 11/26/2007, -9/+11Cannibalism is also a regular occurrence in the region.
- sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -8/+2They have enough problems without you posting racist myths.
- colonelbuckshot, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6Unfortunately there have been God-knows-how-many reports of cannibalism in the Congo:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2661365.stm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story ... - MaximusD, on 11/27/2007, -3/+2There are legitimate reports, but that doesn't make it "regular"
- alexandera, on 11/26/2007, -3/+3The violence in DR Congo has to stop. Please check out www.congocast.org for an episodic documentary on the atrocities mentioned in this article and find out how you can help.
- alexandera, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2http://www.congocast.org/
- chingy1788, on 11/26/2007, -5/+15these rapists should be raped by gorillas
- martinaoe2, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1amen
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Gorillas have very small sex organs and thus,it would not hurt...
Just shoot the scum and feed them to the buzzards.
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Gorillas have very small sex organs and thus,it would not hurt...
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6NO.
You don't understand. This is a hazing ritual for the troops.
They raid villages and line up the young men. If you don't join the "revolution" they cut off your hands. In the next village, the "New Recruit" participates in raping and then killing a young girl. If he doesn't, he is killed -- at least that's the stories I hear.
So this cycle of violence has to stop -- retribution -- who isn't a victim in this? It's as hard on the kids who are given a gun to fight as it is on the people getting murdered. - michaelmit, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1nah..they would probably enjoy it
- martinaoe2, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1amen
- acidbass, on 11/26/2007, -27/+5I know who cares when half a million die, BUT SOMEONE IS BEING EXECUTED BY BEING SHOT IN THE VAGINA?!?!?! OH LET ME DIGG THAT STORY!
Too bad other poor girls who get raped and then shot in non-sexual parts of their body dont get nearly as much attention as those that get shot in the vagina. - Phillydroog, on 11/26/2007, -9/+23Can we please stop calling it the "Democratic Republic" of and just call it the Congo. There's nothing democratic. Just because you paint stripes on a horse doesn't mean it's a zebra.
- mortinmaxwell, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8There are two Congos the Republic of Congo and the Democratic Republic of Congo so you need to separate the two some way.
- Phillydroog, on 11/26/2007, -3/+0How about North Congo and South Congo. It worked with Germany, Korea, the Americas... No reason it can't work with the Congo.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2I agree. But unfortunately , they've called this Horse a Zebra, and America is still called a Democracy -- even though it isn't any more.
- Phillydroog, on 11/26/2007, -1/+0Sure it is. America is every bit as much a democracy as any Western nation is.
- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -2/+2America isn't a democracy? Yay, I don't have to bother voting any more!
Oh, wait, I get what you really mean - America is a democracy, and you don't agree with the majority. Ah, to be young and retarded again, I miss when I could allow myself to think that way and not feel like a moron. Yes sir, 14 was a good year for me.
- sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5That's the official name of the country. Has nothing to do with what form of gov't it uses. We could call the US the Lollypop Forest if we wanted.
- mortinmaxwell, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8There are two Congos the Republic of Congo and the Democratic Republic of Congo so you need to separate the two some way.
- ChuckIT, on 11/26/2007, -11/+6that's a pretty violent title : rape, murder and vagina. honestly. not going to read this story sounds a tad bit depressing, but im sure it's important.
- AmusedToDeath, on 11/26/2007, -1/+5^ = the reason it's happening.
- ChuckIT, on 11/26/2007, -1/+6oh rly? what are you doing to to stop women in this area from getting shot in the vagina? reading this article will magically make me stop what im doing and go help? cause if that's the case then *****, i'll read the article
- sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4This is digg. All you have to do is make a bunch of comments on how no one else is doing anything about it or simplify the entire situation down to a single sentence problem and a single sentence solution. You also have to sound very arrogant while doing either and act like its common sense. If you do happen to actually get up and do something about the problem, your banned from digg automatically. There is no tolerance for anything outside of posting 'truth' here.
- ChuckIT, on 11/26/2007, -1/+6oh rly? what are you doing to to stop women in this area from getting shot in the vagina? reading this article will magically make me stop what im doing and go help? cause if that's the case then *****, i'll read the article
- vinieux, on 11/26/2007, -3/+0Go figure. Governments that have the ability to do something about it don't give a *****... and yet every time I rant about things like this I have a friend asking me what the fish I am doing about it...
And the so called man in the sky who is ready to send me to eternal hellfire for having consensual sex with my neighbour's wife thinks he doesn't need to intervene...
And yet... I must do something about this ***** because I find it ridiculous and rave about it?? - TheOther1, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2So stick your head in the sand and it will all go away and life will return to rainbows, unicorns and PlayStation 3 games.
- merreborn, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1"that's a pretty violent title : rape, murder and vagina"
Vagina is a violent word?
- AmusedToDeath, on 11/26/2007, -1/+5^ = the reason it's happening.
- 3leggedHorse, on 11/26/2007, -4/+5 Well that is ***** up.
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -19/+8You really cant let black people govern themselves.
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Yeah, let's just recolonize all of Africa. That'll solve all their problems, much like it did in the first place!
Oh wait, what was wrong with Africa before colonialism? :- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -4/+3The same thing thats wrong with it now, it was full of savages.
- ChuckIT, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2oh man this is gonna get good, can we get someone in here to egg this guy on?! plz!!!!
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2Let me guess; Lagrange is someone who would vote for Bush a third time, right?
I'm just trying to engage in an unofficial poll.
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -4/+3The same thing thats wrong with it now, it was full of savages.
- MJDub, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Idiot.
- zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2So...no on Obama, then?
- lagrange, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1Obama is not black.
- zombies187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1So...yes on Obama?
- zombies187, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Who are you to judge who is black? Would you agree to his blackness if he fit your stereotype?
"Low IQ, poor impulse control and a culture that worships violence and brutality."
He is not black if that is your standard for it. Fits many whites I know, however.
- lagrange, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1Obama is not black.
- flyhunnie7, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2before Africa was overrun with "explorers" (read: Europeans looking for resources, people to enslave, and land to colonize) it was not so filled with violence and corruption.
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Yeah, let's just recolonize all of Africa. That'll solve all their problems, much like it did in the first place!
- Sinudeity, on 11/26/2007, -2/+9Another story that totally rips my heart to shreds. Humans are F****** brutal animals.
- spawnfree, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Thick humans are. They dont know any better.
Money drives them mad much easier.
- spawnfree, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Thick humans are. They dont know any better.
- dheaddy, on 11/26/2007, -4/+10I feel sick
- mrzack, on 11/26/2007, -7/+8these men should be anal raped then shot in the ass with a shot gun. what goes around comes around.
- Waterrat, on 11/26/2007, -2/+3 I agree.
- theShiba, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1that's what she said.... (?)
- l33tsauce, on 11/26/2007, -3/+8Everyone should Dugg this story, it was very hard to read but well worth it.
- brandon272, on 11/26/2007, -4/+4I wonder if 1/5 of what our society has decided is appropriate to spend in money and resources on Iraq were put toward this problem, what the result would be?
- RationalXubrnce, on 11/26/2007, -0/+6 A bunch or rich dictators and absolutely no change in the situation.
- spawnfree, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2Western companies in control of the key resources, slightly better pay for some.
And every local warlord attacking them to try and regain control. - zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1So if we decided to do something, it wouldn't be worth it? Way to justify apathy outside of the box.
- nixfu, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Read lots more here:
http://www.mapreport.com/subtopics/w/countries/con ... - Gooble74, on 11/26/2007, -12/+0goodbye cruel world. we are officially in the 7th circle of hell. Thanks to the US government.
- JimiSlew, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2...sorry... did I miss something in the article?
- heinousjay, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Yay, do it! When you kill yourself the human race will be marginally less stupid.
- lormahoykyd2007, on 11/26/2007, -6/+3and the US does nothing why? There is no oil. Let them destroy themselves. more oil for us.
- ChoosyMother, on 11/26/2007, -1/+0Maybe because the last time we tried to topple a ruthless, raping, murderous dictator, we got nothing but hell for it. No oil, true. But lot's of diamonds, and they are sorta valuable too, ya know...
- spyd3rweb, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1America isn't the world police...
- kantian82, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Dude, team america? ***** YEAH!
- gemadouble, on 11/26/2007, -3/+4Some people are just ***** sick. Yet, we humans call our self civilized.
- synik, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Most European cultures are civilised. It mainly seems to be Africans committing horrible sexual crimes.
Here in Australia, we let some Sudanese refuges in. Just last week a group of them bashed some locals, and threatened to rape their wives and daughters.
I dunno why Africans seem to be so much worse than everyone else.
- synik, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Most European cultures are civilised. It mainly seems to be Africans committing horrible sexual crimes.
- RationalXubrnce, on 11/26/2007, -6/+11 What can we do. Send money to be stolen by ruthless dictators? And for all of the the blame the West takes for their meddling I think people forget what Africa was like before we interfered. The real truth is that the best they ever did was under colonization. Africans are not Europeans with a tan and we should stop expecting them to run a society the way we would.
- kindaintoit, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3You're an idiot. We can provide money to a western run agency for anti-viral meds for people. We can relocate refugees to a safe place. There is alto we can do without handing over money to dictators. So STFU and stop trying to talk people out of helping.
- aschocobo, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1wow. Rational, that is one of the most ignorant comments i've read today. you really don't know anything about African history.
- spawnfree, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2I always wondered how 'A boot stamping on a human face for eternity' could actually relate to a real society.
- psyjoniz, on 11/26/2007, -3/+7i just, i don't even know what to say. just horrid..
- growler1, on 11/26/2007, -3/+6"A major root cause of Africa's instability is Western meddling- in Congo's case, it was the Belgians, then the British, then the Americans. Maybe we ought to consider letting the citizens of Congo solve their own problems, rather than trying to fix it for them."
--Or, seeing as how we broke it, maybe we ought to try (with the rest of the world) and help to fix it. Standing by with hands in pockets while atrocities are happening is tantamount to pulling the trigger ourselves, in my book.- nixfu, on 11/26/2007, -3/+4Bah.. the “Hutu” and “Tutsi” have been killing each other for many many many generations, well before the westerners came.
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Except the entire distinction between Tutsi and Hutu was arbitrarily made up by colonial-era pseudo-scientists, saying that one tribe was better than another, and that certain body and face characteristics were inherently inferior.
Don't speak when you have no idea what you are saying. - chosenone-, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2You're kidding, right?
" [..] The first type of studies were carried out by colonial scholars, who began with the casual observation that the Twa were short, like pygmies, that the Hutu were of medium height, and that the Tutsi were tall and slender. After gathering data, physical anthropologists confirmed this observation. A German scholar working in the early twentieth century, found a 12-centimeter difference between those identified as Tutsi and those identified as Hutu. As late as 1974, Jean Hiernaux of the National Center for Scientific Research noted a height difference of almost ten centimeters.[1] Colonial scholars, influenced by racialist theories, especially as developed by Arthur de Gobineau, concluded that such physical differences meant that the Hutu and Tutsi must have originated from different regions. Racialist theory, perhaps most memorably described by German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, divided Africa into: "European Africa", aka North Africa; "the land of the Nile", aka Egypt, considered a part of Eurasia and a civilizing force; and "Africa Proper", aka "Subsaharan Africa, which Hegel described as "the land of childhood, which lying beyond the day of conscious history is enveloped in the dark mantle of Night".[2] As Europeans became more familiar with Africa, the conception of the Sahara as barrier between civilization and savagery became increasingly less credible.[citation needed] A new racialist theory to explain this discrepancy was developed, namely that all evidence of progress in "Africa Proper" was the result of the influence of an outsider race, who were Caucasian in race but black in skin color, known as the "Hamitic theory". The origin of the "Hamites" is normally placed somewhere in the Horn of Africa. [..]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Tutsi_and_ ...
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2Except the entire distinction between Tutsi and Hutu was arbitrarily made up by colonial-era pseudo-scientists, saying that one tribe was better than another, and that certain body and face characteristics were inherently inferior.
- nixfu, on 11/26/2007, -3/+4Bah.. the “Hutu” and “Tutsi” have been killing each other for many many many generations, well before the westerners came.
- minoss, on 11/26/2007, -5/+10And this would be one of the reasons why I simply cannot believe a god exists. What kind of god that you would want to worship would allow this to happen?
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5I think a better question is what kind of nation, who purports to support human rights, can stand by and allow this to happen?
- floorman56, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1The same one that keeps saying we should pull out of Iraq so the same thing can start there.
- ChaosMotor, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1How ignorant to blame God for the acts of man. He gave us free will. You can't blame Him for what we choose to do with it. You can just as well blame a flood on the birds as you can blame human violence on God.
- jpfed, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2No. That doesn't make sense. I'm tired of that being trotted out as if it were a rebuttal.
"Free will" does not have to mean "unlimited free will". There can be various levels of freedom. Children are granted increasing levels of freedom as their parents deem them ready to deal with the responsibilities that come with that freedom. Analogously, God could have gradually increased the scope of our free will as we proved ourselves responsible enough for it. But he didn't, now did he? Any God that is dumb enough not to know what countless generations of human parents know isn't worth worship. Because if God wanted to, he could say "Do what you will, but I'll prevent you from carrying out certain incredibly horrific atrocities." He would not have had to let this sort of thing happen.
I like that we have the free will to choose what pictures to paint, what songs to sing, what programs to write, who to socialize with, where to live, and what to buy. I would be perfectly fine doing without the ability to blow a vagina open with a gun- and more to the point, anyone who feels the need for that ability should never have been granted it in the first place by a "benevolent God".- Pyroteq, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1There can be no love without hate.
- jpfed, on 11/30/2007, -0/+2I disagree. If I see someone get into an accident of some kind and rush to their aid, is that not loving? If I help someone by tending an infected wound or giving them an antibiotic for their sickness, is that not loving? If I build someone a house to shelter them from the cold, is that not loving? If someone is overcome with despair and I guide them to hope, is that not loving? If those are loving, then where was the necessity for hate in any of that? There is none. Love can exist without hate. In our actions, love is more often contrasted with *indifference* than hate.
- Pyroteq, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1There can be no love without hate.
- jpfed, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2No. That doesn't make sense. I'm tired of that being trotted out as if it were a rebuttal.
- Stinebs, on 11/27/2007, -1/+0...Or maybe if people would stop pushing God out of the world and let him in he could actually do something to help us.
- Schleiden, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5I think a better question is what kind of nation, who purports to support human rights, can stand by and allow this to happen?
- feckineejit, on 11/26/2007, -2/+23what the ***** is wrong with these people?
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -4/+13Low IQ, poor impulse control and a culture that worships violence and brutality.
- adrianwaj, on 11/26/2007, -2/+3Stunted development at birth due to malnutrition perhaps.
- GuacamoleSan, on 11/26/2007, -3/+1Lets see....
less evolved genome?
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -4/+13Low IQ, poor impulse control and a culture that worships violence and brutality.
- sandman979, on 11/26/2007, -3/+165,000,000 dead and counting... How come nobody notices that?
- floorman56, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.
Joseph Stalin - ChaosMotor, on 11/27/2007, -4/+1They're black. America doesn't care about black people. Or brown people. Or red people. Or yellow people... gee, who's left? Oh yeah. White people.
- CorneliusStump, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2then why don't americans care about the many white orphans in Russia and Eastern Europe?
- floorman56, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.
- adrianwaj, on 11/26/2007, -2/+3I wouldn't have a kid in this part of the world.
- truthiness, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5You mean you wouldn't *plan* to have a child in Africa, but apparently, that's not much of a choice for many of these poor women (ie., they're being raped). So sad. How can we be in the 21st century & have SO many things fvcked up!?! So sad.
- adrianwaj, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1I agree. If I was a woman I'd leave to the safest area. Easier said than done. But, I may have to leave my family if it meant securing a future for myself or my kids.
- truthiness, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5You mean you wouldn't *plan* to have a child in Africa, but apparently, that's not much of a choice for many of these poor women (ie., they're being raped). So sad. How can we be in the 21st century & have SO many things fvcked up!?! So sad.
- PeachHipGirl, on 11/26/2007, -3/+0Everyone seems to over look the culture of masculinity that allows and condones this. It is MEN raping women. Whether in Africa or in Iraq or in our own backyards. Someone must address this very simple fact. Why do men rape? What/who allows men to rape? When are men going to start accepting responsibility for this culture of entitlement and do something about it. This article has nothing to do with "those Africans". It has to do with men who rape. Period.
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1Yeah sure and when they were hacking each others arms and legs off for kicks that had nothing to do with them 'being africans' then either.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1NO it doesn't.
Do a bit of background reading on how these troops are indoctrinated. You make this sound like you put a bunch of guys together and they spontaneously want to attack girls. A few educational programs on TV (if they had any) would not solve this problem.
The people committing these atrocities are just as much the victims of this conflict. Many have no choice in the matter.
Don't mix the issues.
- lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1Yeah sure and when they were hacking each others arms and legs off for kicks that had nothing to do with them 'being africans' then either.
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