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- bigdt87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+78I think we should round up ~200,000 people and go to the outskirts of Area 51, and then just...charge.
- CoffeeCup, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28The aliens have camera disabling radiation devices these days...
- skewh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26The truth is out there, Scully.
- TheFoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26If extraterrestrials had the technology to make their ships undetectable by all known Earth devices why would they screw it all up by turning their lights on? Think, people.
- crgnetworks, on 10/12/2007, -15/+36A *Blimp* doesn't instantaneously shoot up and disappear into the clouds.
RTFA. - Aaron15063, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22As jay would say in Clerks 2
"Go into space and *****. Be the first to find a new alien life form... and ***** it. People would be, like, "There he goes. Homeboy ***** a martian once." - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I agree very much with Carl Sagan's viewpoint on the UFO phenomenon. He wrote that the publics fascination with UFO's was basically a coping mechanism to deal with complex science they can't understand. They have a deep curiosity of outer space but often lack the ability to understand it in scientific terms so it's easier, and more fun, to simply invest your time in believing UFO stories. It's kind of like religion... people willingly choose to believe things that are not backed up by any evidence or proof because it fills a void in their lives and makes them feel good. Sagan's book "Demon Haunted World" explains his views of pseudo-science very well. It's a great read.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21You would probably be arrested before the plan got off the ground.
- mdnash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18yea really...the NSA is probably monitoring this right now
- Civil44, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Disclosure project ftw!!
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19"A *Blimp* doesn't instantaneously shoot up and disappear into the clouds.
RTFA."
He doesn't say the object he saw as a kid shot up into the sky.
RTFA. - Dawnspire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Maybe its just some kids taking their dads ship for a joyride
- Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@crgnetworks
It got a puncture ;) - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -27/+39From the article: "Without going into all of the details, I saw what I would call a grey, football-shaped object up in the sky while peering out the back window of my parents car during an afternoon drive in the country."
You've got to be kidding... That's a simple, but near-perfect description of a *blimp*.
http://static.flickr.com/33/63030213_8bf6105c6c.jpg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17I want to believe.
- SpenceMasta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14i wish in my lifetime there is public confirmation of life elsewhere, so i can have sex with their hot alien women
- paladin144, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20@DeFex
What the hell are you talking about? There's tons of UFO videos on YouTube. But they're always explained away by skeptics as swamp gas reflecting off the moons of venus, which is refracting light from weather balloons, which are capable of mach 4 travel.
Personally, I think TFA has a point. Doesn't it seem like the government/media only reluctantly talk about the UFO phenomenon even though UFOs could very well be a threat to national security? Since they're unidentified they could well be a buncha terr'rists! Yet they spend much of their time implying that anybody who saw a UFO is a nutter off their meds.... interesting hypocrisy, don't you think? - terath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@TimTim
I'm a skeptic as well, but you really are reaching here. Someone in a hovercraft? Over the chicago airport? Shooting upwards so fast that it leaves a whole in the cloud cover? That's pretty damn far fetched itself. A good skeptic should just admit when they don't know without making up equally weird explanations. - PaddyTheChump, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12That's what makes it a "UFO".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Decent photos where you can actually see what the object is. no question
blurry youtube UFOs could be anything. - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"This whole alien/UFO thing is real and makes perfect sense.
In all of the galaxies, the millions or possibly billions, there has to be life. There's no way in hell that our little planet is the only one where intelligent life was formed."
Until you get to the whole faster than light travel issue. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Well. Since the Vulcans are coming. We better switch on that Jukebox and play some 'Boogy, Boogy'!
- KarmasAgent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Actually I disagree - there are plenty of images and supposed photographs of "divine beings" half of them come in the form of burns on toast that end up on eBay. The virgin mary in the door of a woman's home, jesus in the shape of a squash. Its all the fundamental error of attribution. Bringing together patterns to represent the familiar.
The interesting thing about UFOs is that 1) its the last thing gov'ts would want to happen OR organized religion. The Judeo-Christian-Muslim traditions at least would be f-ed if complex life, more advanced than humans, capable of spaceflight entered the picture. And the organizations that perpetuate them would be equally shown to be the snake-oil peddlers they are. Appearance of benevolent life elsewhere would also have a jarring effect on the notion of what it means to exist. People would come to their own conclusions and eventually things like getting down on your knees and praying, saluting the flag, repeating the national anthem ad nauseam - all those things would be seen as silly and irrelevant in the grand scheme of things - as indeed they are - and control over the masses - i.e. ability to govern - would cease to exist as they learned that in order to be capable of great things you cannot be told what it takes to be great - you have to discover it for yourself. And things like religion, government, nationalistic jingoism are all hindrances to actual personal and societal progress.
and 2) the fact there are no substantiated claims and they haven't made direct contact is only proof of their superior intelligence - who in their right minds would willingly make contact with the monkeys who fight among themselves and can't live together and share the resources granted by the planet in an equitable way. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I for one welcome our new alien overlords.
Sorry, but it bothered me that no one did that yet. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Wouldn't really matter. It was a cloudy day. I doubt most aerial photography takes place *below* the cloud deck.
- khiddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You can have sex with a hot alien woman now, just head closer to the Mexico-US border. Damn thing's leaking like a sieve.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8So no one ever observed little marching ants when they were little? Not even play around with them by dropping food or something like that?
- velvethead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'm sick of the speed of light argument against UFOs. Within the last 500 years people claimed man would never even fly, much less go to the moon. Just because we don't know how to, or that it doesn't fit into our (current) understanding of science, doesn't mean it can't be so. There are many, many theories on how one could travel great distances through space.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's the "God of the gaps" idea, only in this case aliens fill in the gaps.
- TomRitchford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There's a big misconception here.
There are two separate questions:
1. Do UFOs represent something new and unexplained or just meteorological or other explainable phenomena?
2. If UFOs are something unexplained, are they extra-terrestrials flying around in spaceships? This is called the Extra-terrestrial Hypothesis, or ETH.
It's quite possible to believe, as I do, that some UFOs are unexplained, without having at all to believe the ETH.
There are many good arguments here against ETH; that aliens so advanced would either be indetectable, or on the White House lawn; that their reported behaviour is illogical and pointless; there are many more here.
At the same time, there have been literally thousands of UFO sightings by apparently reliable observers. Certainly, even very experienced observers can be flummoxed by extremely rare phenomena like sun dogs, but we have many careful descriptions and some reasonable documentary evidence which seem to indicate that these aren't any known phenomenon.
There has been a lot of interesting work on hypotheses other than ETH. For example, there are strong geographic and temporal correlations between UFO reports, geomagnetic activity, earthquakes and other "paranormal" phenomena like poltergeists; it's also become very clear from textual analysis that the "angels" stories of the Bible, the "little people/fairies" stories that all cultures appear to have and the "UFO contactee" stories are one and the same. I'd take a look at the writings of Jacques Vallée and John Keel if this interested you.
If you want my tentative theory, it's that many paranormal phenomena are geomagnetic in nature: it's generally accepted science that underground seismic stresses and the piezoelectric effect can cause electromagnetic effects, and it's also known that electromagnetism can effect human perception and the temporal lobe of the brain. Whether some sort of independent electromagnetic "consciousness" or "life" is involved is murky and hard to resolve.
(The reason the news media doesn't report UFO sightings might be that a fair quantity of them are just the US Air Force's new weapon of the month -- for example, the rash of triangular-shaped UFO sightings before the Stealth Bomber was finally revealed.) - hakluytbean, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
'...the USAF identified them as flares dropped by A-10 Warthog aircraft which were on training exercises' - zappo1776, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The second video is of flares dropped by aircraft. It has been well debunked by now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10People seem to have a camera for every other unlikely car crash or strange incident . but never for a UFO
- DamnLogins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm far from a military expert, but couldn't the Phoenix video be easily explained by flares jettisoned by a military aircraft designed to counter IR homing missiles? I think they come down on little parachutes, so would persist for quite a while.
But then I'm in the pay of the government to cover these things up, so I would say that... - daleksarewimps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This whole alien/UFO thing is real and makes perfect sense.
In all of the galaxies, the millions or possibly billions, there has to be life. There's no way in hell that our little planet is the only one where intelligent life was formed. - digitizit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Regardless of the well known 20 mile long "kill zone" surrounding the base, unless you just really like experimental aircraft this would be a bad way to end up in prison or dead.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The second video in the link is really interesting. Definitely something out of the ordinary is going on...
- nfulton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7British UFO chief finds evidence credible
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061110-122251-4629r
LONDON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- The former head of the British military's UFO program says that studying the evidence convinced him aliens are out there -- and could come here. Nick Pope recently left the Directorate of Defense Security at the Ministry of Defense, The Guardian reports. As a private citizen, he feels free to discuss the views he formed while heading the UFO project -- which has since been disbanded -- between 1991 and 1995. He said he is especially worried because the government's "X-Files have been closed down."
Pope said that studying the files convinced him that some UFO sightings are credible -- including a large triangular shape reported in 1993 civilians and Royal Air Force personnel at bases in the Midlands. - MadOtaku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Aliens aren't supernatural. Some may be superhuman, but never supernatural.
- Dpack1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Wow, i gave up reading that after the first paragraph. Hopefully if there is any other life out there they'll know not to use random capitalization mid sentence, emphasizing pointless words. Seriously man, relax a little.
- RichesToRags, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I love that video of the Arizona sighting. Stereotypical ship with loads of lights on it. lol.
You would think if an alien species had the technology for interstellar travel, they would have advanced technology other than light emitting filaments?? Hell, we even have night vision infrared systems on cars already, and yet we still cant send a man past the moon yet. - ChildeRoland420, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Everyone knows that with the technology to manipulate gravitons FTL travel becomes trivial. I can't wait untill the human race reaches that point, although I'll probably be long dead by the time it happens.
- starguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Here in *****, Joja, we see UFOs all the time, and think nothing of them. Get enough liquor in you, while you're out huntin wit yur shotgun, u kin evin hit dem dar blasted alejuns mutherfukrs once en a wile...
Which I do every time I can. You don't want those folks moving into your neighborhood. Property values plummet. - Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@paladin144
I've got a raging clue! ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Um. In case you hadn't heard. Area 51 is in Nevada. Roswell NM is where they supposedly found the craft before moving it to Nevada and Area 51.
- smitting, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13my best friends' grandparents did live in northern new Mexico and did die of rare cancers.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@KarmasAgent
I think you have put your finger on it. Suppose there is "something" out there. Not the stereotype of "little green men" but something really alien - doesn't think like us, doesn't really care about us, basically we are a colony of apes to "them" or even some concept for which we have no words.
Just like any other phenomenon, like a big disease outbreak or natural disaster, with the potential of making the public riled up and difficult to control, governments would want to keep it quiet or make sure that governments provided authoritative information. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@marinist
Perhaps "they" don't care? What if, to "them," - whatever "they" might be - earth is like a remote island with a somewhat amusing colony of poop-flinging chimps? Stop by, look around, and be on your way. We don't do chimps the courtesy of seeking out their leaders. Why should we expect more cordiality from our visitors?
They might not be out to annihilate us or befriend us any more than we are when we encounter some lower life form. - marinist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"the possibilities to see an UFO of alien origin even if they frequently swarm our skies are incredibly tiny"
Right. Even if a small fraction of these UFO sightings are somehow alien spacecraft, that's a huge number of "visitations" to Earth, especially if we extrapolate those people never see. If ET is the most obvious explanation, do they really travel light years to buzz aircraft, fly slowly over cities, and quickly disappear? Something doesn't add up to me, given the apparent number of these objects, and what they actually do in our skies. If aliens actually did visit our planet, you think they would send some type of expeditionary team, establish a foothold on Earth somewhere and actually conduct an exhaustive study? Despite any assumed advanced technology, I'm somewhat skeptical they could simply fly over Earth and somehow "scan" all they need to know. If that were true, they should have finished their mission years ago. - bigdt87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@grizzwolf
that was like, two spaghetti's, and a jar of sauce. -
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