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- BOFH2, on 05/03/2008, -0/+17Why did he tell anyone what he was doing?
- gak001, on 05/03/2008, -3/+17It's nauseating to see how something that was meant to bring the world community together has done quite the opposite.
A tear for the Olympic spirit. - grimward, on 05/03/2008, -7/+18"not trying to make a scene" that's like saying you're not looking to make a scene shooting somebody in the head in public. If you're gonna ***** around in a less than democratically stable country, you'd better be ready to get your ass handed to you too. Seriously, has common sense completely evaporated from the world now?
- johnandlandry, on 05/03/2008, -1/+10"He was not looking to make a scene."
So, he planned on hauling extra weight up the world's tallest mountain, in the middle of a time of great civil unrest, while the torch happened to be proceeding up Everest, then grabbing a picture of himself in front of a flag protesting China, just for ***** and giggles? *****. Even if he hadn't intended to wave the flag in the faces of the torch bearers, I'm sure this picture would still have made its rounds on the Internet, making Nepal look bad, when they're in desperate need of China's support. This guy just thought he was above them because he's a westerner (and, granted, the laws are unfair, but it's their nation), and he got caught. - Metasquares, on 05/03/2008, -3/+11Yeah, seriously. "I'm going to climb the highest mountain in the world and unroll a politically charged flag. But I don't want to make a scene."
- mfc5200, on 05/03/2008, -9/+16Are the Chinese justified in what they are doing? Of course not. Is it terrible. Of course.
But it's their country, they conquered the area, and thus they can do whatever they want to within their own country. Their goal is to obviously encourage mass Han Chinese migration to Tibet so that in a few decades it becomes a non issue as the idea of separation becomes ludicrous.
Any American who says that China's conquering of Tibet is wrong and that has traveled to Hawaii on vacation is a total hypocrite. The Hawaiian natives are still pushing for their independence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/us/03hawaii.html ...
But we've controlled them for so long, and encouraged so much immigration, that there are now a lot of mainland Americans living there, outnumbering the Hawaiians. It wouldn't be fair to the Americans living there for us to just give the land back. The same can be said about basically all of American today with regard to Native Americans.
Is it atrocious? Of course, but its a tale as old as time. In any case, if the Tibetans want to obtain autonomy or independence, its their job to fight for it, its not the job of foreign governments to do it for them. Of course, anyone should feel to go over there themselves and help them directly or indirectly by donating to their causes, etc. - alclone, on 05/03/2008, -0/+6Cause he is a douchebag. Only douchebags tell everyone what their doing ALL the time.
- ace429k, on 05/03/2008, -2/+6agreed. i believe the guy had glory steaming out of him. when he got caught he tried to play innocent.
- nstanosheck, on 05/03/2008, -8/+12Indeed, the Olympic charter says the Olympics are to be apolitical but these Tibetan secessionists, many who could not even point out Tibet on a map, or explain its history and connection to China, want to get their 15 minutes of fame following the 'hip' cause of the day.
- tomgc, on 05/03/2008, -1/+5"Twitter: A social network for douchebags".
- bosssmiley, on 05/03/2008, -0/+3Well, at least there weren't any crowds about when he did it...
- Lamadave222, on 05/03/2008, -4/+7"Its their country, they conquered it..." and the Sudetenland really did want to be part of Germany and Poland too, and the French, wtf, the Germans conquered them too so they should have been left alone to rule them as they saw fit. I invite you to compare photographs taken during the Younghusband expedition of 1922 with photographs taken after the Chinese "allowed" the Red Guards to run rampant destroying Buddhist monasteries in 1966-67. Bamiyan anyone? By the way, the Chinese used the fact that Tibet payed tribute to the Emperor in the 18th Century to justify Tibet being part of China, but fail to recognize that the Chinese emperors had paid tribute to the Dalai Lama as well. When I wanted to go to Muktinath in the 1970's I was forbidden to do so because the Nepalese government was afraid of border clashes with China. I guess nothing has really changed, oh accept for the Maoist guerillas in Nepal who would randomly attack towns (particularly along tourist trekking routes) because part of their political plan for gaining power includes weakening the country that they claim to care so deeply for. So have your childish Olympic games, athletes striving for an illusive and temporary triumph, after all that is far more important than another oppressed human beings freedom.
- nstanosheck, on 05/03/2008, -1/+4Well the only people that got beaten last time were Han Chinese attacked by the Tibetan Extremists which included very few monks. The Western MSM originally party line of non-violent protests has been thoroughly debunked.
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -3/+5I see the Chinese government has it's stooges working on this thread already.
- jimjacks, on 05/03/2008, -4/+6I don't see Americans holding free Hawaii signs or banners. Just a thought. I understand the differences but there are similarities. We may not rule under an iron fist like China, but we once did. We overthrew a government for our own gain, not for the good of the people. Native Hawaiian people have their traditions. It is true they can worship as they please unlike Tibet, but they can not be ruled as they please. If we our going to be for regions separating from a country to develop their own, maybe we should start right here. Or, do we have the same reasons to hold on to as much land as possible. I believe Tibet should be free but so should China. Chinese change and reform is more important than freeing Tibet. We should start here in the States and find out what native Hawaiians want. We must humble ourselves in order to bring change. We are not superior in beliefs or our ways of governing. Lead by example not by words.
- inactive, on 05/04/2008, -1/+3Only on Digg can you insult America for torture and then defend China. Go ahead, bury me with our freedoms.
- jamusallen, on 05/03/2008, -3/+5Man, there seem to be a number of pro-China people jumping on this story so far, especially with the whole "free Hawaii" comparison. Is that the new "free Corsica"?
- mfc5200, on 05/03/2008, -1/+3Thats the whole point! After years of mass migration and assimilation, those asking for independence are a "minority". But for the few decades after we conquered them (at gunpoint) that wasn't the case. Nowadays, the Hawaiians themselves are a minority, because so many normal Americans have moved there. When the majority did want to be independent, we came in with guns, just as the Chinese have done in Tibet. And we encourage immigration to Hawaii just as the Chinese are doing now. Eventually, the independence groups will represent a minority in Tibet, and the Chinese government can take the same exact approach to Tibet as we do to Hawaii today. That is the long term goal of their policy. They are just doing exactly what we did.
- grimward, on 05/04/2008, -0/+2Read my comment again, I said he was making a scene, not being a coward.
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -1/+3They are no so much pro-China as anti-American. I find it strange that the party of JFK would resort to feckless relativism as an excuse to ignore the systematic destruction of Tibetan culture.
- Smaulz, on 05/03/2008, -2/+3Naw, sometimes killing each other is a good thing.
- whitecracker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Screw free tibet. I say Low Cost Tibet!
http://www.cafepress.com/sumbitch - LingNoi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1He didn't someone in the group did. Why did people digg you? Did no one read this?!
- redthirteen, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1When one presumes he is on top of the world, nature has ways to bring him down.
- LingNoi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1lol, point proven. Wow you're totally right Dawnrazor..
- LingNoi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1If you think the Olympics is about anything other then making money then you're an idiot.
- walugi, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1The Dalai Lama is a living god. Most of Tibet is buddhist. How do you think this "autonomy" is going to work?
Caste system baby! Booyah back to the middle ages.
Seriously, you guys see the Dalai Lama as all sweet and rosy but he has his own agenda just like any other (political) leader. And how does any westerner know if the majority of Tibetans want independance? Would the US just give a vote to any minority just because other countries got angry? I highly doubt it, and to expect China to do so is double standards. Then again, they apply double standards to everything related witth China. - inactive, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1And in Nepal they call it Sagarmatha. I know, isn't it amazing to think that different countries who speak different languages have different words for things, or even have different names attributed to places. As for it reflecting different attitude towards Tibet, that's like saying in countries where English is the main language, people have a different attitude toward Austria than those in German speaking countries who call it Osterreich.
Just out of curiosity what do you call milk, or catsup? - jab9990, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1Everyone remember that George W. Bush is supporting these bastards. I guess the pretense of "spreadin' Democracy" is over.
- walugi, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1That was... nonsensical. What is your point exactly?
- Fanboy88, on 05/04/2008, -0/+1Mr Holland is a whiny ass crybaby. Would you like some cheese with your wine? It is time to man-up. Free Hawaii!! - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/05 ...
- ace429k, on 05/03/2008, -5/+6If you bring a flag up there and someone takes a picture. its gonna make a scene! screw this crap. i dont want it tied in with my Olympic sports. I like watching them, yes i know im 1 out of 50. but shoot it burns me up whenever people tarnish the athletes reputation by yelling Free Tibet! shoot if you would have yelled 2 or 3 years ago Free Tibet everyone would have thought it was a joke. On a Simpsons they had an episode where Lisa jokingly yelled Free Tibet. everyone laughed and on went life. sucks they have it tied in with the sports.
- khaose, on 05/03/2008, -1/+2My queston is how may people knew about Tibet before the Olympics and how many people and media outlets are realy going to bother about it once the Olympics are over?
- Smaulz, on 05/03/2008, -1/+1Aww, whassamatta, did I offend your delicate sensibilities? Don't get me wrong, it's great that you've gotten comfortable on your utopian high horse and have the luxury at looking down on the "Luddites" as you so quaintly call them, but you should really consider accepting reality for a change. Advanced species or not, there always has been, and more than likely always will be a necessity to visit death upon others.
I'll save you the effort of twisting my words, and go ahead and clarify for those in the cheap seats. Am I saying war is a good thing? Of course not. Is it a necessary evil? Absolutely. Talking things out is great if you're dealing with two level headed individuals/nations/states/whatever. But honestly, how often does that situation apply? Very rarely. - pinguwin, on 05/03/2008, -0/+0I was referring to the native hawaiians as having a minority preferring it. Look, I lived on an indian (yes, they used that word for themselves) reservation so I'm not entirely unaware of these issues. There was little desire to declare an independent state. They wanted autonomy, but not a separate country.
I'm not sure what you mean "we encourage immigration to Hawaii" I'm simply unaware any encouragement from a government. You are using the present tense "encourage", so let me know, I'd really would be interested (and I don't mean that sarcastically). Most people I know who moved to Hawaii did so for climatic reasons and not imperialistic ones, including my brother :-)
The other thing that I didn't want to mention is that there are things that happened in the past that were wrong, but were a sign of the times. In the past, you could rob, rape, and pillage at will. Things have changed in the world. So things that were acceptable 100 years ago aren't today. Don't get me wrong, I'm not approving of past actions, but the situation in Tibet and Hawaii are very different. I don't think the argument, "Well 400 years ago they got to do these horrible acts...we just want our chance to do horrible acts too" is a valid one.
If, as the Dalai Lama has said, they are looking for autonomy but not independence, if the Tibetans were free to pursue their cultural, personal, and religious wishes, I think people would react very differently to the mention of Tibet and China in the same sentence. Hawiians are generally free to do as they please. Again, I'm not ok with the history of the U.S. Far, far from it. - SunAlex, on 08/26/2008, -0/+0freedom is dream. you thought we are free?
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http://www.dvci.org/partnerships.htm - walugi, on 05/04/2008, -1/+1Yeah, think the American way or don't think at all. Do us a favour and stop your internet connection. Just donate that monthly money to your favourite Republican candidate
- expatcatalyst, on 05/03/2008, -4/+4...or alternatively, the western business that shudder at the thought of upsetting the apple cart of alleged Chinese riches... I don't suppose those monks getting beat up consider their cause as very hip.
- thesix, on 05/03/2008, -10/+10Can all you people stop pretending you actually have a clue about Tibet?
Stop the madness and let's have some good sports!!! - Smaulz, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1That's all very poetic, but I don't see anything in there that offers a valid alternative. Please, educate me.
- stormiscoming, on 05/05/2008, -2/+2You guys call it Everest, we call it Qomolangma which is the pronunciation of Tibetan. That reflects the history and different attitude toward Tibet.
- superdoofus, on 05/04/2008, -1/+1delicate?
no, my reasonings are rather grounded in perseverant thought and honed consideration. your absolution that war is necessary is perhaps biased or blind or knee-jerk. i do understand "realism", but know to filter out that which is merely stubborn or volatile or borne of cynicism/pessimism/misanthropy. feel free to refer to my ideology as "utopian", but i shall offer the concord that perhaps it is development of placement.
war existed before us, i quite understand that. and to quote cormac mccarthy, it is the perfect practice awaiting the perfect practitioners. but to consider it a finality or humanity as operating under its auspice is to deify it. which you kinda did. if war is your god, so be it. but understand that there are many that feel that such an unyielding perspective deserves the ability to respond over all your life. see, war cares not for morality, in fact it forgoes all mental tender and becomes two men in a duel that can not reconcile verbally and thereby chose the god of war to pick who lives and who dies. all that said, to incur deaths proves nothing regardless of side. it's proctor only to war itself, and war cares nothing of righteousness (such is exemplified by quite a long history we are able to examine). which is exactly why the practice and concept are candidates to be discarded into the leaves or tall grass of an age in preference towards a system that exhibits a more reasoned functionality. - warlokaz2004, on 05/04/2008, -1/+0With 'democratic' elections the Maoists are now in Charge in Nepal...smooth move that...Nepal will now be a satellite state of Communist China. The people of nepal have voted themselves into slavery ;. add Nepal (along with Myanmar) to the list of nations gobbled up by the chinese 'empire' -- I wonder how long before India decides its time to start pushing back, and a war erupts?
- walugi, on 05/04/2008, -2/+1It's less Pro China and more Anti-Clueless-Brainwashed-American-"Protestors"
- superdoofus, on 05/03/2008, -5/+3the buddhist monks' job to fight for it? like what, take up arms against their certainly upcoming tank armadas or something? even if america itself were to bring in military actions to free buddhist tibetians, such a gesture would be met with the same shamefulness.
warring is an ancient sensibilty. and thusly, it is as old as time perhaps. but to indicate that it might be a condition or actuality of humanity might be akin to what ***** erectus thought of ***** sapien's advancements in tools and weapons.
or to put it in a much smaller scope of time: shall i say that warmongers are the new luddites? it's time we advance out of killing each other. - pinguwin, on 05/03/2008, -2/+0Two comments as far as the Hispanics go. While I agree in theory, the reality is that hispanics don't have a gun pointed at the head of the u.s. and call the shots. As far as Hawaii goes, there are some who want independence but as far as I know, they are a small group. When a majority want independence, then this analogy becomes more relevant. A few years ago, there was a referendum in Puerto Rico. Keep it as is, secede, or become a state. They voted to keep as is, FWIW.
- fitix82, on 05/03/2008, -6/+4Are you nuts? It was in Nepal NOT China
The guy was very brave, he was not an armchair protester. - atact88, on 05/03/2008, -5/+0On the other hand, the Tibetans want the Han Chinese out in order to "preserve their culture" and the ethnic purity of the area. If we can cheer them on that, why do we have be to so accepting of Hispanic immigrants in America?
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