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ACLU: Memos authorized CIA torture

rawstory.com — The American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday said it had obtained internal Bush administration documents it says authorizes the CIA to torture detainees. “These documents supply further evidence, if any were needed, that the Justice Department authorized the CIA to torture prisoners in its custody,” said the ACLU's Jameel Jaffer.

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  • bjornski, on 07/25/2008, -5/+23Well of COURSE they authorized torture.

    Because torture works!

    Right, John?

    Maybe some of these ex-POW's that we're holding will make great political leaders in THEIR country too!
  • relic180, on 07/25/2008, -4/+22God damnit, why are some people so stupid they think torture is a helpful tool? That it results in any kind of positive gain for anyone involved?

    I can tell you right now, no. It doesn't. Shut the ***** up trying to justify it because you're wrong. And stupid.
    • mrpetey, on 07/25/2008, -15/+3So you have either tortured someone and gotten nothing OR have been tortured and gave it all up?????

      Glad to know you are such an expert on the subject, or are you just blowing chunks of what the media and democrat party tells you you have to say????

      I think you are stupid
      • TheCasablancan, on 07/25/2008, -1/+11When my grandfather's helicopter was shot down in Vietnam, he and his crew were tortured. He said that everyone started out with Name, rank, etc, but after making them stand in a fire pit full of embers, most of them would say anything they thought would stop the pain.

        Torture is useful when you want to demoralize your enemy or if you are a sadist. It isn't useful for getting accurate information.

        So, in short, I believe you can shut the ***** up.
      • hwy9nightkid, on 07/25/2008, -2/+1you spelled Reagan wrong in your profile mrpetey. I think your stupid.
    • bjornski, on 07/25/2008, -2/+7And torture isn't just used to get the "truth" out of people either.

      It's used to gain false confessions, too. (for those times when you MUST pin something on SOMEONE!)

      Someone being tortured will say ANYTHING to make it stop.

      So, mrpetey, expert on torture. Do you have studies showing it works? Or personal experience in the field?
    • cheezintern, on 07/25/2008, -1/+6People should watch 'taxi to the dark side.' It specifically talks about the 'link' between Saddam Hussein and al quada was information gained from torturing a suspect. That suspect told interrogators what they wanted to hear, and they stopped torturing him. ***** George W. and his cronies are the worst thing to happen to America since the British burned D.C. in 1814.
    • kinerry, on 07/25/2008, -0/+3oh, well as long as it's you saying it...
    • billygotee, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1"I can tell you right now, no. It doesn't. Shut the ***** up trying to justify it because you're wrong. And stupid."

      I can feeeeel your anger. It gives you focus.
    • mrraven200, on 07/27/2008, -0/+2billygottee you'd be pretty angry if you are a loved one were tortured. And no they aren't all "terrorists" at least 30% were just swept up in dragnets or turned in for reward money or revenge. So get it straight the U.S. tortures INNOCENT people in 2008.
  • JCH897, on 07/25/2008, -3/+17Torture is what America will endure until next January.
    • cjhowe, on 07/25/2008, -2/+1And if you actually listened to Obama's speech in Germany, that endurance soon will be required by the rest of the world as well.
  • sereusx, on 07/25/2008, -3/+17Torture is used by cowards. Very sick and more than a bit scary to think that I am ashamed of that part of human behavior that makes us much less of an animal.
  • bipolarruledout, on 07/25/2008, -1/+13This is really sick, not that this is news or anything. I'm getting really tired of all the apologists. How can you possibly defend torture? You really think they hate us for our freedom? No, they hate us for this and all the other sick ***** this country has been pulling for years. Any mind share that the US has had as a "beacon of freedom" has been destroyed since 9/11. I just hope that we can reclaim some respect on the world stage so we don't have ANOTHER major terrorist attack on US soil.
    • nordic61us, on 07/26/2008, -3/+0hey jerk short-sightness doesnt work, have you been to the eye doctor lately, or your soul been pierrced with ignorance, 80 percent of prisoners from guatanmo that has been released has just done the unthinkable again, or maybe you libs think they havent killed enough what a moron
      i dont like when libs preach to me about human rights because there just as bad as china
  • cheezintern, on 07/25/2008, -1/+5It's interesting the FBI never got involved in the whole torture debacle. Maybe because the directors had the foresight to know it'd come back to bite them in the arse.
    • thecatcantalk, on 07/25/2008, -0/+5Or maybe it's because the FBI only deals with crimes committed INSIDE the United States, and doesn't send agents abroad. An FBI agent in Afghanistan (for example) has about as much authority as a lifeguard at a bowling tournament (i.e., none at all).
  • justiceape, on 07/25/2008, -0/+6Ha, they think that because they've "negated" specific intent, then they're off the hook? It says right there that the belief has to be in good faith that it doesn't cause suffering. There's no ***** way a dude waterboarding someone is acting with the good faith belief that it's not causing pain and suffering. Getting rid of specific intent isn't a victory for those guys. Neither is getting rid of "reasonableness." They still couldn't get rid of the requirement of good faith. They are criminals. On top of that, this is bad lawyering, in my opinion.
    • Peko, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1I thought about the "intent" clause as well, and I wouldnt be surprised if there was some potential legal wiggle room. I wouldnt be surprised if some intent wiggling was attempted.

      You see, our CIA Enhanced Interrogation Specialist was just doing his job. He's been trained extensively and has been instructed in various techniques. You have to remember that under the legal climate of the interrogation acts he had reasonable basis to believe that his actions were not torture nor did they cause serious physical or mental harm. His classes were designed to enable him to reach the legal limit of enchancement strategies and since he believed his actions were legal, they were not torture, under the guise of the legal climate during the period of the interrogation times. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; it was not torture and he is not guilty.
  • crackberri, on 07/25/2008, -9/+6Listening to the ACLU is torture enough…….
    • jayfish, on 07/25/2008, -3/+10If it wasn't for the ACLU you'd be a f'ing slave.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_court_cases_i ...
      • southwestnut, on 07/25/2008, -2/+1And we know that Wiki is the most "reliable" source.........


        /sarcasm

        Also, It was Lincoln that abolished slavery, not the ACLU, study your history
    • kinerry, on 07/25/2008, -1/+3the aclu's entire purpose for existence is to project our rights....how is that torture?

      do you not like freedom?
    • markmdillon, on 07/25/2008, -0/+2ACLU defended the “Man Boy Love Association”, which is an organization that is attempting to legalize sexual relations between Men and Young Boys.

      How exactly is this protecting my kids?
      • kuzotz, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1yes but then they turn around and protect your rights stfu.
    • CryRightardCry, on 07/25/2008, -3/+2Yeah, it's SO hard to respect a group that fights for everyone's rights.
      What a ***** you are.
      I see you are a right wing shill.
      Why haven't you manned up and enlisted?
      You obviously drink the rightard koolaid, so are you too ***** to actually fight the wars you cheerlead for?
      This is what I find disgusting about rightards. They cheer the violence, but lack the guts to do it themselves and expect others to fight their wars for them.
      Pathetic loser.
      • southwestnut, on 07/25/2008, -2/+3As someone who spent 3 years in a combat unit, I find your comment/rant appaling at best.
        You truly exemplify the manic liberal.
        You probably think that only one way is correct the liberal way and that is fine just remember that Osama bin Laden thought that way too....

        Before you slap people around, check your own credentials.
      • DreadPirate, on 07/25/2008, -2/+3CRC *has* no credentials. All he does is sit around on digg flinging insults. He doesn't deal in facts or reality, just invective and fantasy. Regardless of who the person is, and what they stand for, if they dare to disagree with his opinions, they must be a "rightard warmongering shill coward who doesn't bother to enlist" or other such BS.
  • defwheezer, on 07/25/2008, -2/+3Someone call 911 and have these criminals arrested!!! Oh ***** nevermind, I forgot- "Government IS the problem" /s
  • digbird, on 07/25/2008, -2/+3I still think it speaks volumes that Barack Obama has not said "boo" about this issue on the campaign trail. That's because he realizes that most people in the USA don't care about the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two other very senior al-Qa'ida operatives got water-boarded back in 2003. In fact, if Obama decided to give a speech where he took comments on this Digg article for his talking points, what would happen? A Republican 527 group would launch an ad campaign in which it accused Obama of caring more for the rights of the people that killed nearly 3,000 Americans on September 11 than he does for the safety of the American people.

    I have no doubt that the people here totally reject that message. But the fact that there's no outrage in the US apart from places like MoveOn.org, the ACLU, and Digg ought to tell them something, people in the US don't care. THEY DON'T CARE. It's the same thing that happened when the US accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner in the 1980s (killing hundreds of civilians). There was no outrage in the US about what happened then. People did not care. They did not care because they remembered the Hostage Crisis and all the other things that the Iranians had done to the US since the fall of the Shah. Consequently, they did not give a damn.

    I submit that the same dynamic is at work over the treatment of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Most of the people who know who he is know that he's a mass murderer who orchestrated the plot that killed thousands of innocent Americans. Consequently, THEY DON'T CARE what happened to him. Bush could have him shot at dawn tomorrow on CNN, and most people in the USA would still not care because they know who he was and what he did.
    • mrraven200, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Then we have become the worst sort of evil people imaginable . We didn't torture even Communists and Nazis who tortured killed tens of millions of people, conducted medical experiments on living people, purges, genocide, etc. They are the other hand did torture after all the "evil" capitalists and Jews "deserved, it" right?

      I hope you are wrong about the American people and they wake up from the Fox news Gobbelesque induced lack of ethics, but I fear you are right. :( And no it's not a violation of Godwin's law when the government is actually behaving like Nazis and torturing people.
  • blacktriangle, on 07/25/2008, -2/+7Bush will simply pass legislation making torture retroactively legal.
  • jacothedevil, on 07/25/2008, -1/+3/sigh

    when will we learn?
    • bjornski, on 07/25/2008, -0/+2We won't.

      That's human nature for you.
  • drspanklebum, on 07/25/2008, -0/+4And this comes as a surprise to anyone? They've ***** admitted they authorized torture months ago. Revolt or STFU
  • thecatcantalk, on 07/25/2008, -1/+3Frog-march them all out of the White House in handcuffs or STFU.
  • HiCaP, on 07/25/2008, -4/+2***** the ACLU and the Terrorists. If waterboarding 2 or 3 Assholes gets us some info,
    that's OK with me and the majority of Americans. We want the Govt. to do whatever it
    can to protect us and our Country.
    • bluesman3535, on 07/25/2008, -1/+2Who is we?
    • Rotzooi, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1'We' are the people who are scared of all them terr'sts running around, raping our women and killing our children.
    • ElSnuggles, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1That's an ok sentiment until the person they think has info is you and you're the one they torture.

      If these crazy pricks can hold indefinitely without charge and torture one person, they can do it to any.

      Idiots still spouting "torture somebody to protect me" are what is causing us to slip into a fascist state.
  • RogueGenius, on 07/25/2008, -0/+4Why is this news? We've known this for years, but nobody will do anything about it. Thank god for the ACLU - the most American organization in history. But when congress just accepts war crimes and won't act against the criminals... What the hell is there to say at this point. More evidence that congress won't act on.
  • VBDon, on 07/25/2008, -4/+2I love reading articles by the AlQuaida Civil Liberties Union.
    • agaudet, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1terrorists terrorists
      9/11
      weapons of mass destruction
      had enough of your fear yet?
  • PhogHawk, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1My mom, who's a law professor, is leading a symposium at Washburn Law School in Topeka, Kansas on all of this Gitmo and Unitary Executive ***** this fall. Anyhow, she had out a new memo this morning, and I think it may be the same one this article mentions. If so, try to track it down. The DoJ has blacked out a ridiculous portion of the memo- probably over 80% of it. The only parts of the memo that weren't blacked out were restatements of the statutes regarding torture. Freedom of Information my ass.
  • southwestnut, on 07/25/2008, -4/+1The Anti Christian Liberal Unit said what???
    • agaudet, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1They said that religion doesn't make logical sense
      you ***** tool
      • southwestnut, on 07/25/2008, -2/+1ooooooohhhhh I am soooooo hurt.......

        you can crawl back under your rock now, its ok.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/25/2008, -2/+1Pathetic cowardly rightard shill.
        You are a sad little loser and you KNOW it.
        What's more disgusting than a sad little bully too ***** to man up?
        You and the rest of the rightard warmongers are holding America down.
        But you know that, right?
        Somehow you scumbags enjoy trying to hold things back.
        Whatever.
        Keep in mind, all the time, of what a coward you are.
        Don't feel bad though, you'll fit right in over at LGF.
      • jcm267, on 07/25/2008, -1/+3Somehow anyone who supports the war is a coward if he doesn't serve. So what does it mean if you, someone who vehemently opposes the war, sacrifice practically nothing fighting towards ending it? A seditious traitor?
    • southwestnut, on 07/25/2008, -1/+3Crytard, I am not a loser and I know that!!!

      People like you are stand in the way of progress and more or less everything.
      Coward? Hah!!! what do you base that on? You have nothing!!! The best YOU can do is sit behind your computer and make all kind of comments about how "cowardly" other people are that do not line up with your way of thinking, seems like you are the coward because you are to ignorant to recognize that it is you who are the one who thinks himself/itself better than others. Who are you to judge my opinion? Are you better than me, I think not.
      Seems that you fit in right here at Digg, or is that the only site they allow from the mental hospital :>)
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