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- punchingjudy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18It really is unfortunate when a few brutes ruin things for an entire force. I work along side law enforcement, and some of them really are wonderful people. But, as in every field, you also have your complete douchebags that gum up the works.
"THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS." - qazew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14After living in New Orleans from day 1 after katrina. I would have to say there was more bad than good that came out of the new orleans police. But even worse came out of the national guard. Some of the things that went on the first couple months after Katrina are right out of Grand Theft Auto -- it's disturbing.
- strohs189, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I lived in New Orleans for 2 and a half years through Katrina. The police on the City's force, are the most corrupt individuals I have ever seen. There to worried about getting on a horse going to Bourbon St. and Hitting on the women walking around. When they should be working on getting the Criminals running around because there are plenty of them down there.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That's why the Feds were supposed to be there BEFORE the anarchy ensued.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hearsay and eye witness are used all the time in court to piece together what happens. This person's word is a grain of salt...but from all the people I've talked to...I have an oceans worth of salt.
- SgtBeavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5NOLA cops are the worse in the nation, bar none. They don't care if you're black or white, your the enemy to them. However, if you're black you know to stay the hell away from the NOLA popo.
Unfortunately, it is the very people of NOLA that are to blame for the situation IMO. The people refuse to change leaders, they refuse to hold anyone in public office accountable. As long as NOLA residents (and residents of Louisiana in general) continue to elect corrupted and/or incompetent leaders, they will continue to suffer.
That is one reason this Cajun moved to Texas. At least Rick Perry is a.....uh... oh wait... nevermind. ;-) - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"This is the first I've heard of this incident prior to today. Even if we don't know exactly what happened, this is still really bad PR for the NOPD, who has always had a poor rep. to begin with. Without a doubt, police officers should know the most about breaking laws and should be punished harsher. "
To me it's much worse PR for the Feds, as all of this was their responsibility.
Damns were Federally controlled...it was several states.
The anarchy that is bound to come when apocolyptic situations occur while the Feds sat on their hands. The federal government had no problem in Waco, Ruby Ridge, Black Panthers, etc....but then again that was before the hellish reign began in January 2001... - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"how about a little detail and references. Your comment implies a lot.. but says nothing."
I had a friend who was a high-level red cross employee down there. I second what that person says.
One thing is for sure...a lot of people were talking about "ethnic cleansing". - wordfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"But, as in every field, you also have your complete douchebags that gum up the works."
I've always wondered whether cops really look out for each other, even when one of them breaks the law, like the portrayals in the movies and on tv show. There is a perception in this country that the police don't police themselves - a perception that is built up on a semi-regular basis by scandals from departments all over the country. As far as I'm concerned, if you're not willing to bust your buddy for breaking the law, you've ceded your right to enforce the law. But maybe the Abner Louima incidents are flukes and not the norm. - gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, in this case it's starting to look like it is more than a few 'brutes'...the police chief is still strongly defending these alleged 'brutes'. Of course, we can't pass judgment until these alleged 'brutes' have had a chance to tell their side. However, unless they come out with something really good, it isn't looking too good for them. And if they are guilty they should be hung.
After all that would mean that not only have they murdered, but they have also abused their power. These guys are trained, educated and swore an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. If there was ever a group that should know beyond a shadow of a doubt the harm of breaking laws it is police officers. For this reason I feel that when they are caught breaking the law their punishment should be harsher.
It's time to send these guys a wake up call that they are not above the law. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Are you saying that the people in Spike Lee's "documentary" who claimed to hear explosions right before the levees broke are in fact evidence of there being explosives used to destroy the levees?"
No, but it should be investigated...don't you think?
The reason I say what I have heard is for that reason.
How many did die down there by the way? Really when there is little media up here in the north for the long run of the disaster, what else are we to rely on.
I do respect your quest for truth though. - Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jaycliche
Do you realize you're asking someone who can't pick the right "they're" or "to" or use commas properly to tell you his opinion of the deployment of our nation's armed forces? - strohs189, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For your information I am not from Louisiana. I was stationed in New Orleans and not with the National Guard either, (even if I was I wouldn't claim to be part of such a worthless group). I was there in the Marine Corps I worked closely with the Law Enforcement down there and they are just a shady group. Don't get me wrong they do have some good cops but most are shady.
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@gotlaw
Her group is investigating....but it's tricky because the Red Cross is involved so they don't want to make the whole organization look bad because of local issues.
I'm not a lawyer...I'm just chatting. Take it as a grain of salt or not...how is it possible to prove or disprove. I wasn't their, and even if I was...I'm sure that it would be hard to capture on film.
There are investigations, I'm sure...but their is also a lot of powerful people involved.
Again, I believe that hearsay is admissible as corroborating evidence in court. - drewjoh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think he's giving detail and references: his personal experience. --- "After living in New Orleans from day 1 after katrina."
- vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@"Can the Federal government deploy without a city/state's consent?"
From my understanding by this time both the state and city had asked. - eddie72, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hope they are tried fairly and the courts get down to what really happened. Knowing how the law treats police officers though they may never be tried fairly and what really happened may never surface.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't you feel safe?
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have to admit the New Orleans police department are not known for their ethical behavior.. :/
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"For your information I am not from Louisiana. I was stationed in New Orleans and not with the National Guard either, (even if I was I wouldn't claim to be part of such a worthless group). I was there in the Marine Corps I worked closely with the Law Enforcement down there and they are just a shady group. Don't get me wrong they do have some good cops but most are shady"
No dis intended, but don't you think that external federal forces like the Marines should be protecting our outside borders while National Guard protects inside? Seems a lack of Nat Guard forces made them have to call the Marines. I think it's wacked that you aren't in one of our many adventures abroad while the troops who are supposed to protect the US are mostly abroad.
As a soldier, what do you think about that? - bclawhammer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is the first I've heard of this incident prior to today. Even if we don't know exactly what happened, this is still really bad PR for the NOPD, who has always had a poor rep. to begin with. Without a doubt, police officers should know the most about breaking laws and should be punished harsher.
- strohs189, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@gotlaw
I was at Headquarters Marine Forces Reserve, I was active duty at the time stationed on NSA New Orleans. The base straddled the river one part in Algiers and the other in the By-waters area. I also spent some time in Belle Chasse. - beanMosheen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep. hindsight is a bitch. The rough part is that all of NO is below sea level. Of all the places the levee could have broken, it had to be 2 miles from Jackson Barracks. The flood hit so quick, we didn't have time to grab our rucks, and had to go to the third floor. We where putting the motors on the boats when it hit, so they all where lodged in the top of our bay. We lost our fueler, our contact truck,11 transports, all our weapons, and most of our personal effects in less than 15min. Bad day.
- gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@haggie
What a crazy-ass comment...I don't trust either :) - gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@gotlaw
"See, William Jefferson's opponent, Karen Carter, criticized the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department and the Gretna Police Department (two communities neighboring New Orleans) for turning people back at a bridge and firing shotguns over their heads rather than letting them enter the community across the bridge."
OK, enlighten me why if the above statement is true these departments shouldn't have been criticized, cause I'm confused?? Were they a rioting group trying to cross the bridge? Were they a danger to the public?..if so, shouldn't they have been arrested. Aren't citizens free to travel in the US where ever?..except private property. If the rules changed because of the state of emergency were these people aware of that? And letting them know after their homes is under water is not really acceptable either. And if this was the case I would blame people like Nagin for this...after all he is a publicly elected servant and as such he is responsible for informing and doing all he can to ready the city and its citizens for what was coming.
Another question, is firing shots over citizens heads allowed under the rules governing an officer discharging his weapon? I mean if you are firing life rounds into the air how can you ensure those rounds won't accidentally find an unwanted target...kind of like the idiots that fire their weapons upwards and then someone ends up getting hit by the bullet as it falls back to the earth.
I don't know, maybe there is more to the story that I'm not privy, but based on what I've read in your statement, I'd have to agree that the criticism of the departments might have been justified, and possibly even further punishment might be warranted....but as I said I can't really pass judgement because there are not enough details. - gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@briankeith
"You my friend have never been hit by a nola cop, hand cuff and then dropped off. Without an arrest or a reason. At least there is some honor among some thieves. I've seen very little from the nola PD. Though I have great friends on the force there."
You are right, I've never been hit by a NOLA cop. Every time I've been in NO I've always been mindful of the rumor that if you attract the attention of the police you may very well end up catching a beating. Whether or not this is true, I tend to believe it is or was, I've never wanted to find out first hand.
So whenever I'm in a place like NO or somewhere like Mexico, etc. I make special effort to keep my nose clean and off the potentially corrupt police's radar....after traveling all over the US and to 25 different countries this practice has served me well.
Since I don't know the details of your cop beating storing, I can't really comment, except to say that even though you believe you didn't deserve such treatment, you may have put yourself in a vulnerable situation...maybe, maybe not. Don't get me wrong though I am not really a fan of the police....this is based on my own personal experiences, getting in trouble, being harassed because they had the power to do so, having to call them to report a crime, and having spent some time in a social circle that included some Chicago police officers. Obviously not all are bad, rotten or crooked, but the ones who are attract way too much negative light. Also, it seems that the departments, management, etc don't try or care to eradicate the bad apples from the lot....too much covering each other's asses going on, but I guess that's human nature. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"no, Martial Law was declared by the Governor"
And should have been backed by the Feds.
Everyone knows that the local police anywhere run their own thing. - solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With the shock and lack of support the NOPD had during the storm, i can almost be certain this is not the only incident of this type.
- gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jonathono2000
I completely agree with your stance about the people allowing this to a certain extent by their votes and actions. I mean, don't we usually blame the citizens of other countries for the state of their country? I was a bit stunned to see Nagin get reelected, but was completely flabbergasted to find out Rep Jefferson won reelection....ya, I also like to keep $90K in my freezer....
Worse yet, I've heard people say things like Nagin was the lesser of the evils....what is wrong with our political system when people are winning elections based on being the lesser of the evils?? Just like the recent democrat victories...they didn't win because they had better platforms, but rather because Americans were upset with the performance of the republicans. Nice strategy, hang out until the other guys screw up enough and then we're back in.
So, yes, I do tend to agree that until the citizens decide enough is enough they do somewhat condone corruption. However, if these guys are found to be guilty they can send a message by clamaring for a harsh punishment. - beanMosheen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jaycliche
We where there two days BEFORE the storm preparing. Was that not early enough for you? We where in the 9th ward when the levee broke and lost 95% of our gear including weapons. Was that not early enough for you? Don't act like the LANG is a bunch of faceless drones. We all loved NO and I personally volunteered for six months to stay. The media smeared us like we didn't care, and everyone of us did. I worked two weeks straight on the back dock of the superdome unloading food and water, sometimes going days without rest. I lost all my gear and wore the same clothes for two weeks. I walked and drove through chest high water full of ***** and diesel and filth just to go get people out of the flood, 24 hours a day. We where out numbered and unprepared logistically. The LA government failed the citizens of NO by not having the right plan or resources alloted to the problem. We did the absolute best we could, and I'd hate to think all the hard work and not being with our families was in vein, much less unappreciated. - gandhii, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7how about a little detail and references. Your comment implies a lot.. but says nothing.
- solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-7/116737516647820.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
As usual, the local paper gets the story out with details of criminal hearings and police reports. Very concise. - solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, we all should know the story by now, but Emergency Services should have been poised to enter the city after the storm (I was able to drive into St. Tammany Parish from Shreveport 24hrs after evacuating), and also the Governor played part politics (acting on advice from good friend D-Senator Mary Landrieu) and delayed the Federal take over of emergency and essential services by not relinquishing control of the LA National Guard
- gspederson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"To me it's much worse PR for the Feds, as all of this was their responsibility.
Damns were Federally controlled...it was several states.
The anarchy that is bound to come when apocolyptic situations occur while the Feds sat on their hands. The federal government had no problem in Waco, Ruby Ridge, Black Panthers, etc....but then again that was before the hellish reign began in January 2001..."
Yep, and exactly along these lines I've always blamed the US for the 'sectarian' violence in Iraq. Once they were in and overthrew Sadam the very next thing should have been locking the country down. Of course, to be fair, this wouldn't have stopped the local rebellion, but would have curbed it by not allowing foreigners to join the ranks.
It all comes down to no planning or preparation. - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2***** hell people. This isn't a court, he was just stating what HE saw. Do you really expect him to record everything and write a documentary on it before making a post on digg.
Either believe it or don't. But don't attack him for posting his side of the story. - betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@beanMosheen
Next time, perhaps you should put your gear above sea level.... work smarter, not harder. I do applaud the effort, and that fact that you guys did good things for those you helped. - beanMosheen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I watched the video on that sight. There was no food and water to give out. As soon as we got it it was given out..I'm talking within minutes. We where rationing water and food to the soldiers, not the people. It all came down to people hording MRE's and cases of water. We would tell people to share, but they where too many people to enforce it. I had to watch moms and dads sit in the corner hugging their kids, while some ***** takes a whole case for himself. 1 MRE can feed you for a day, and these guys where taking 12 at a time. Finally towards the end the sane people where keeping the unruly in check and lines started forming on the field. people started sharing once they knew more food was coming within the hour. We could unload 3 tractor tailors in under an hour, and by the time the last pallet was coming of the last truck, the food was almost handed out. The main problem was the use of the dome. That was a foolish decision. There where no facilities, and it was in a low point as well. But enough of my senseless babel... Lets hope the government gets it's ***** together and develops a better plan.
- strohs189, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jaycliche
Marine not Soldier first of all its just a little pet peeve of Marines. I think it is just as much our responsibility to protect the US as it is to be abroad. In my oath of enlistment it was all enemy's foreign and domestic. I was stationed there I didn't get sent in to help out the National Guard. While not on a deployment to any external happenings around the world would you not want your people with the training and ability to help out in a situation like what occurred after Katrina. I feel it was a perfectly valid mission to help support. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"That's why the Feds were supposed to be there BEFORE the anarchy ensued."
Can the Federal government deploy without a city/state's consent? - strohs189, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1National Guard is more of a State thing than Fed. It was another show of how the Louisiana government officials screwed up but it the blame was put on Bush, and these crappy leaders got re-elected. How can you say that you want to make it a chocolate city and still get re-elected?
edit: got beat to it - briankeith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@gspederson
You my friend have never been hit by a nola cop, hand cuff and then dropped off. Without an arrest or a reason. At least there is some honor among some thieves. I've seen very little from the nola PD. Though I have great friends on the force there. - anachronaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ ScornForSega
I'm from Louisiana, and my public school's class of 30 had 6 National Merit Semi-Finalists and 5 National Merit Commended Students (to be fair, I'm referring to the K-8 grade school we all attended, not the high school class of around 350). Assuming you went to a public school in another state, can your alma mater boast such a ratio? If not, then perhaps you should STFU.
There was certainly no shortage of sub-geniuses in my home town/state, but to tar every student with the same brush is just ignorant and unfair. If you were trying to be funny, you certainly failed to amuse me. - betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is not the first time NOLA Police has had a death squad...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/len_davis/index.html - solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I see you are looking for specifics, too bad you choose not to provide any.
- dagnome1984, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well the New Orleans police did perform illegal gun confiscations leaving the citizens defenseless.
http://www.gunowners.org/abcnews.mpg - solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"n response, the Jefferson Parish Sheriff, Mr. Harry Lee, very publicly criticized her for her stance on that event. A lot of people voted in line with the Sheriff's position and ended up voting for Mr. Jefferson."
or not voting at all - solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0+1
The NOPD will get better when the politicians do. It has been 2 years and this is the only major action Eddie Jordan has taken since the storm. All other cases and people brought up on charges were instigated by Charles Foti, state attorney general. ALL N.O. Government must go for the city to grow and improve. Nagin has done little to nothing since reelection. Where is the "plan" you talked about during the campaign? - NowakFilms, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Police officers and other governement types were targets for all of the crazies before and after Katrina. I believe both civilian and cop were shooting at each other pretty regularly during the aftermath. The difference lies in the fact that the cops were trained to hit what they shot at. Let's all remember that these people were merely indicted. They have not been tried and convicted so they should remain innocent until the facts are all in.
- solsuknjerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"where the police basically gave themselves absolute power"
no, Martial Law was declared by the Governor - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"the National Guard came"
What day was that again? Be funny if it took that long on 911 -
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