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- inactive, on 05/13/2009, -5/+63Wait, what? They were brought before a jury and convicted? I thought if we gave terrorists trials, they'd kill us all.
- dbixler, on 05/13/2009, -5/+37... and I bet nobody was water-boarded to get the information to find these ass hats.
- Defiant001, on 05/13/2009, -2/+31What did Sears do to the Al-Qaida to deserve that?!
- thepeacemaker, on 05/13/2009, -0/+28http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Sears_Tower_plot
Democracy Now interviewed two community activists in Miami on 26 June who summed up local reaction to the indictments:
"[A] lot of show has been made about the militaristic boots that they had... [I]t turns out... the FBI bought them the boots. If you look at the indictment, the biggest piece of evidence... is that the group may have taken pictures of a bunch of targets in South Florida. But the guys couldn't afford their own cameras, so the federal government bought them the cameras... The federal government rented them the cars that they needed to get downtown in order to take the pictures. In addition... the men provided the FBI informant with a list of things they needed in order to blow up these buildings, but in the list they didn't include any explosives or any materials which could be used to make explosives. So now everyone in Liberty City is joking that the guys were going to kick down the FBI building with their new boots, because they didn't have any devices which could have been used to explode..." - LegendLefty, on 05/13/2009, -5/+32This is a gross miscarriage of justice. These dudes were a bunch of Miami homeless. They got started by the dude buying them nice new boots. I think there are enough criminals out there already to bust without the police having the need to tempt people that are desperate, and creating criminals out of opportunists. I would say its sad, but I have gotten over these sorts of things awhile ago. There is soo much to be fixed in the USA now, its mind boggling and painful to think about.
- Dumbledorito, on 05/13/2009, -0/+25Two words: "Husky pants."
- seanstuart, on 05/13/2009, -5/+27I remember these jokers. They were nothing. No connection to Al Qaeda, no way of getting dangerous equipment. Just a few dreamers who got high and talked about blowing ***** up. Give me a break. Surely there must be actual terrorists working inside our country right now evading detection while the FBI plays will homeless wannabes.
- CoD4, on 05/13/2009, -0/+19have you ever been to sears?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/13/2009, -2/+20What concerns me is that perhaps there is more to this story. Is the FBI just trying to look good, by enticing people into something they can then use to show how their anti-terror efforts are succeeding, or were they trying to keep a group of flunkies around that can be pointed to when anything bad NEEDS to happen?
Without their "handler" these guys would be robbing liquor stores. They probably as generally pissed off about their life and everybody around it no more or less than a good 20% of our population. How hard would it be to convince a Glenn Beck fan with the Turner Diaries in his bedroom to do something stupid if you let him have a secret decoder ring, told him he was a hero for the resistance, and gave him a suitcase of cash?
These idiots could be the future masterminds of some super-secret plot, wherein, we wouldn't be told they were shoeless fools before all the mayhem. The FBI would have ready made evidence, diagrams, and other Government agencies could tell us how they defeated all the security measures. They would be the sole source of the problem and the solution, and of course, nobody would know.
Oh, and make sure they have some stolen MP3s, so the RIAA can get some love on whatever goes into the Patriot Act III. - goyney, on 05/13/2009, -0/+17It is, and always will be, the Sears Tower.
- Dalhectar, on 05/13/2009, -0/+16I think we used to call that "entrapment". Well before 9/11 we did.
I wish the undercover agent told them to stop at Krispy Kreme and bring me some donuts. I sure am hungry. - jgubbe, on 05/13/2009, -2/+18Trying to even con a legitimate (non-FBI) Al-Qada agent out of money for community purposes without reporting the agent to authorities would seem like you know what you are getting into and probably aren't very innocent as they claim.
But on the other hand this case is very important for the Government to win because it legitimizes their policies. - Annas890, on 05/13/2009, -1/+17Isn't it the Willis Tower now?
- ironhide, on 05/13/2009, -2/+15You misspelled "furriners" You brain-dead hick.
- Dumbledorito, on 05/13/2009, -10/+23I'll bet the FBI could take a bunch of money and guns anywhere in L.A. and convince a group of idiots to form a criminal gang, pledging to "kill all the cops and the mayor, too."
This was pretty much hot air. It was a waste of time and money that could have been spent on actual investigations, and given that it took three years, trials, and juries to convict anyone should tell us something. - ironhide, on 05/13/2009, -1/+13Not to mention that they were arrested in 2007. If that was an attempt at humor, it failed on a spectacular level.
- DevilInPgh, on 05/13/2009, -0/+12Competent lawyers from Legal Aid
- pathouston22, on 05/13/2009, -3/+15No, that's a waste of my tax money.
- SpectralSounds, on 05/13/2009, -0/+12alamo?
- centran, on 05/13/2009, -0/+12I whole heartily agree with you but I think the one exception is when terrorist want to destroy the Sears Tower. In that case then, "Oh what do you know! There is no Sears Tower. It has been gone for awhile now. You terrorist can go home now. Good job!"
- sigmaman2, on 05/13/2009, -1/+12Uhhh, the election is over...
- HEAVYisSPY, on 05/13/2009, -4/+15Even domestically, locking up EVERYONE accused of ANYTHING would save American lives.
Firebombing/Vx-ing the entire middle east would save American lives.
It's a silly argument.
In addition, a negative world image can cost lives as well. It's not a silly cut and dry thing. - ironhide, on 05/13/2009, -4/+15Drunk again?
- MetalHead73, on 05/13/2009, -1/+10The epicality of that fail was unprecedented.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/13/2009, -3/+12I agree.
These are disenfranchised people -- you could get guys like this in any city in America. - pegothejerk, on 05/13/2009, -2/+10Damn, cost of freedom, you scary!
- Arsenard, on 05/12/2009, -10/+18Incinerate them!!
- WraTH017, on 05/13/2009, -6/+13Incarcerate* them.
- theantirobot, on 05/13/2009, -1/+8These guys were no threat. If it weren't for the FBI there wouldn't have been a crime. It took three jury trials, with two jurors being dismissed on the third to get convictions. If I offered you $500,000 would you pledge an oath to Al-Queada with me in an old warehouse with no else around? If I gave the impression that I had no idea what I was doing, but I was rich, and wanted to throw money away, would you humor me? This is a sad day for justice.
- emkaysmith, on 05/13/2009, -1/+8@boozedrinker -- Ever hear of the Golden Rule? It's the epitome of self-interest.
- smotpoker, on 05/13/2009, -1/+8Not enough, we have to attack Miami and then attack Orlando even worse, both to "free" them and because these Miami guys might know people there. If anyone gets fed up with it, we'll just attack them too and keep doing it for years
- noangelcame, on 05/13/2009, -2/+8Why do terrorists hate tall buildings?
- andreo, on 05/13/2009, -0/+6You ever have to sit through that Sears Tower history film that they make you watch before getting on the elevator going up to the tower?
That could have sent them over the edge... - Thuktun, on 05/13/2009, -0/+6Outlawing automobiles would save about 40,000 American lives per year.
Anything that saves American lives, we must do!
/s - rhynost, on 05/13/2009, -2/+8Goddamn furriners took yer job!
- noangelcame, on 05/13/2009, -0/+6If all this is true,. couldn't the defendants have easily made an argument for entrapment? And wouldn't this have equally applied guilt to the FBI agents that helped them,. making them co-conspirators??
What am I missing here? - sHockz, on 05/13/2009, -4/+9thoughtcrime?
- Dalhectar, on 05/13/2009, -0/+5Well that should be a lesson to you, NEVER BLAZE WITH UNDERCOVER FBI.
- rubaaan, on 05/13/2009, -0/+5sears fashion is pretty atrocious to any culture.
- Equinox1, on 05/13/2009, -0/+5They didn't honor their extended warranties.
- gcnaddict, on 05/13/2009, -0/+5"in hopes of igniting an anti-government insurrection."
Someone's been watching too much 24. - inactive, on 05/13/2009, -0/+5that is the first case of ACTUAL entrapment i have ever heard. not just a bunch of your drunk friends claiming cops have to tell you when they're cops. this is ridiculous
- ZonGuy, on 05/13/2009, -1/+5He doesn't, but he bets.
- freezo1994, on 05/13/2009, -1/+5digger fail moment
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 05/13/2009, -2/+6What do you mean "No attacks stopped"? They were plotting to blow up FBI offices and eyeballing the Sears Tower! They have video of these asshats swearing allegiance to Al Qaeda and going over targets! What the hell do you want?
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 05/13/2009, -4/+8"But Batiste, who testified in all three trials, insisted he was only going along with Mohammed so he could obtain $50,000 or more for his struggling construction business and a nascent community outreach program. "
Try reading the article next time, dumbass. These guys thought they were pledging allegiance to bin Laden. Oh, but they only went along to get the money. Right. If that's the case, then these guys are just flat-out too stupid to be allowed to roam free. - anillop, on 05/13/2009, -1/+5No and no citizen of Chicago will ever call it that.
- rabidbob, on 05/13/2009, -7/+11No - it's different because it happened while GWB was president.
- robbob, on 05/13/2009, -0/+4one man was acquitted
- anenokoji, on 05/13/2009, -1/+53 tries? WTF?
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