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- darling, on 03/26/2008, -10/+68FTFA: "Once, four dead in Ohio could stir us. Now, four thousand dead, a hundred thousand dead, it doesn't matter … we have all become dead inside."
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." -- Joseph Stalin - chrissku, on 03/26/2008, -13/+42War is stupid.
- lonemarauder, on 03/26/2008, -1/+22Dear 60's,
You had a draft. So get the ***** off your high horse. You guys didn't give an ounce of ***** more than today's young people about what happens to foreigners. The difference is that Vietnam could directly affect (as in end) your life. This time around, the risk is not shared by the whole population at large, but is solely on the shoulders of our "volunteer" military. The voices that could and would speak out are thousands of miles away.
If you want 60's style social upheaval, just watch what happens when we finally bring those guys home. 5 (at least) years of being fed slowly into a meat grinder, followed by a return home from an unpopular war the rest of us are going to want to forget about is a formula for disaster. - bulkhater, on 03/26/2008, -6/+26Now, now, not all Christians look at Iraq and think "Oh good, more dead heathens. If they're not going to convert we might as well kill them."
Just the ones who support Bush. Remember the folks praying to a picture of Bush in "Jesus Camp"? Remember that Bush's approval rating is about 30%, but around 80% of Americans call themselves "Christian." - OMRebel, on 03/26/2008, -13/+31Seems to be the popular thing to do these days on these boards - bash anyone that is a Christian, because they are obviously just some sort of backwoods, redneck, Bush shill.
For those that like to project themselves as being intellectually superior because of their rejection of religions, they are one close minded and intolerant group.
(I know this will get dug down, but my observation of people like the "superduperguy" poster are spot on accurate) - bsurette, on 03/26/2008, -8/+25I stopped reading here: "As a nation, we stand atop a pedestal of bones and ruined lives."
I have nostalgia for the same past he does - the one that never happened, where we solved all our problems with roses and candy, where violence was alien as opposed to human, and history began when you started paying attention, not back with the apes and wolves. . . - offspring06, on 03/26/2008, -8/+22WWII was necessary. The Iraq war was not necessar.
- thebaron2, on 03/26/2008, -5/+18That's a lot of nice vitriol, but many many Christians are Democrats and many conservative Christians are against this war.
Hell, I'm an atheist so it doesn't really bother me when you rant on and make broad, sweeping statements that are obviously unsupported hyperbole, but what this country needs is some INTELLIGENT discussion - not indiscriminate screaming just so you can hear your own voice and feel good about acting passionate.
How about some intellectual honesty as opposed to throwing around non-specific accusations? At least be specific instead of grouping everyone into the faceless pronoun "they" - which pro lifers are only "pro white protestant life" and what led you to that conclusion? You seem just as angrily blind as the fire-and-brimstone Christians you seem to be railing against. - pat0neill, on 03/26/2008, -5/+17# of american citizens..........
- apothekari, on 03/26/2008, -10/+22Conservative Christians stood in absolute LOCK step, and continue to do so I might add.With Bush and Co!
THEY voted twice to continue his policies
THEY fought every step of the way to preserve the neocons hold on the government and the WIDE majority of them Still do.
Superduperguy has it just about right.
Its called the bravery of being out of range.Pushing a button to annihilate some "MUSLIM EXTREMIST" re:sandnigger {a word I heard after a church meeting BTW} is much the same as pulling a voting lever, you should not distinguish between them.
Christians are by and large a VERY bloodthirsty group in this country shouting "911" at the top of their lungs at every oppourtunity,wanting to give all our social rights away to a big brother and simultaneously telling us how wrong it is to kill little white babies and 20 year braindead white folks in nursing homes. Pro life you understand is PRO WHITE PROTESTANT LIFE. They defended Bush against those who questioned his reaction or lack of it in Katrina. They defended those who questioned anything their "god wanted me to be president" candidate for 8 looooooooooooooong years so to me it's total ***** to try and back out now when its finally OBVIOUS to even the most obtuse kool aid drinker that Bush and co have irrevocably destroyed this country. If you voted for him twice you have Blood on your hands. And I for one refuse to give you any consolation.
It's your hell you burn in it! - superduperguy, on 03/26/2008, -36/+48I'm sure that Bush & Cheney, along with the rest of their Christian conservative comrades, are quite happy, or at least relieved, that Americans have become so desensitized to the death and violence in Iraq.
- fmopenmind, on 03/26/2008, -16/+27History will be written by the victors and it shall be whatever they want it to be. As our children learn about history, it will be from the fountain of propaganda which spews forth its arsenic-laden mind elixir.
As our children, and their children, relay to us what history has been taught, we will shake our heads knowing it is false. The history learned will be no different than the fairy tales learned as toddlers..
From the article:
"The monsters who have perpetrated this crime will walk away to fat retirement checks and lives of wealth in the service of bloated corporate sponsors, and they will not pay - you will.
We all have blood on our hands, and no one cares."
Nothing will happen to those responsible unless we speak the truth to all the lies... constantly, relentlessly, with conviction. - talonstriker, on 03/26/2008, -4/+13I don't know why you're being dugg down, but this is one of the better posts I've seen on digg.
Although, I agree with the essence of what you said, frankly I don't think anything will happen unless "normal people" are elected to offices instead of financially secure rich bastards who own a company. These people have essentially lost touch with what normal people want on the day that they struck it rich. So they can't understand the state of the nation from the pedestal that they sit on, since they really have no stake in how the country is doing. - Defuser, on 03/26/2008, -3/+11It's a metaphor. My guess: You didn't read the article.
- SirDomino, on 03/26/2008, -1/+9Unlike the protests of the Vietnam era, we no longer have LSD to fuel us.
- brufleth, on 03/26/2008, -2/+9@GoatMonkey2112
Nobody said it'd be profitable for you. The money is made by those with actual political power. - ProgressBar, on 03/26/2008, -4/+11I bet you feel stupid now.
- creationism, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8People need to fight for their freedom themselves. Freedom welfare doesn't work in Iraq and it doesn't work here in the US. That's why so many Americans are ready to trade their freedoms for security.
- lhbaker, on 03/26/2008, -2/+9They never elaborate. Elaboration requires critical thought.
- shortysmyname, on 03/26/2008, -5/+11The 300 million is a metaphor, he is talking about us being dead inside.
- meninostongue, on 03/26/2008, -5/+11I'm sad to say that I'm guilty of this myself to a degree. Part of it is because of the unfulfilled hopes that a new congress or massive swings in opinion polls would change the policies. Another part is because most people don't feel the war. In the past, wars have hit home via rationing, taxation, the draft, and other ways. Most people are being completely insulated from any direct consequences from this war.
- silveravnt, on 03/26/2008, -4/+10Great essay. However it falsely states that most Americans are against the war. In fact most voters at least voted for Either McCain or Clinton who both supported the war and have voted to fund the war. Very few voted for the 2 candidates who have never supported the war.
You could say that the majority of voters is not the majority of Americans but the voters are the only ones who count, by their own fault. - bulkhater, on 03/26/2008, -7/+13Care to elaborate? What was wrong with the article?
- brufleth, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Well it was just a comment. If that's what you didn't like about it then I can agree. The statement that lots of people have died in Iraq for no great reason is accurate if (as the article states) sort of old hat.
We all know. There isn't much that we can do about it though. Protests, letters, voting, etc hasn't changed anything. Is it any wonder why we're disillusioned and aren't screaming in the streets? It hasn't changed anything so we have learned to shrug our shoulders and continue frowning. - thebaron2, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8I'm an atheist and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
- Defuser, on 03/26/2008, -1/+6No, just ignorant. And a dumbass as well. Apparently, you're just to ***** stupid to know that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. And that's not me talking, that's the State Department.
- airburst, on 03/26/2008, -1/+6Way to generalize. You are an intellectual giant.
- silveravnt, on 03/26/2008, -4/+9The author of the article is referring to 300 million American Citizens. Dead to caring about the war.
- brufleth, on 03/26/2008, -1/+6@RGWX
The Iraqi terrorist was a myth until we invaded. That's the first part that's wrong.
The next part that's wrong is that everyone killed in Iraq wants to kill you. A lot of them didn't give a rats ass about you until the US invaded their country, destroyed their way of life, killed their family members, etc etc.
Ranting and raving that they're all evil doers and everything is better now shows a distinct lack of KNOWING WTF IS GOING ON! Was Saddam a pretty nasty guy? Hell yeah. Did he manage to maintain a relatively secular society that wasn't at war with itself? Yes, yes he did.
Malingo is painting it as black and white because he thinks every man, woman, and child over there wants to fly a plane into his trailer park. THAT is what is wrong. - bulkhater, on 03/26/2008, -1/+6In other words you're too lazy / stupid to go into ANY detail for the people who might be swayed and use a small number of zealots as an excuse. Because a percentage won't listen, you decide to give up, ignoring those who will listen.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Says the intolerant non-Christian who lumps ALL Christians together...
- lhbaker, on 03/26/2008, -1/+6You don't see the difference between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands?
- eviltandem, on 03/26/2008, -3/+7Because we are holding the Christian block that supports Bush responsible for their ACTIONS, not what they said.
They invaded a country without provocation. They have killed thousands of Iraqi's, and say repeatedly that they would do it again. They've killed thousands of Americans. They have dismantled our Bill of Rights while screaming "AMERICA" at the top of their lungs. They don't seem to have a functioning relationship with any country at this point, including our own. They have shown repeatedly that they have zero competence to do anything but breathe.
Anywhere science can help, they jump in the middle and proudly push their ignorance on others. Condoms to stop aids? Nah. Abortion is the individuals choice? Nah. Marriage is b/w 2 people? Nah. Stem Cells to cure diseases? Nah.
When you vote for Bush you are voting for those actions. I don't care what you say while you do it, this is still their mess and the result of their policies and ideals. Saying you don't want to kill people, while killing them just the same, makes you look like an ignorant twit. These are your actions, not some imaginary ideal you pay lip service to. - webs05, on 03/26/2008, -3/+7What brufleth said. The profit from wars is never given back to the people. Halliburton and Co. take it for their own shellfish greed. Why do you think they always send the poor?
- airburst, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Human history is written in blood. There are currently major conflicts in the following countries: Colombia, Congo, India, Israel, Ivory Coast, Nepal, Russia, Sudan, Sri Lanka, Uganda, Iraq.
Why are you only QQing about Darfur? You are apathetic to the suffering of people in Uganda. - zen4444, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5He meant 300 million americans are dead to the tragedy of this sham war. Go back to sleep america!
- RGWX, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Oh please. Spoken like someone who has never been more than 15 minutes away from a Burger King. The "authentic reality" of most of the rest of the world consists of grinding subsistence poverty and oppression. If you want to swap, move to Ghana. Please. Be my guest.
- darkcthulhu, on 03/26/2008, -2/+6Not all Americans are like that, unfortunately, the majority may be. RP had it right when he talked about a humble foreign policy.
- brufleth, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5@malingo73
What evidence?
You two are full of it. Destabilizing Iraq (effectively starting a civil war) and killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of innocent people has created a huge pool of people who DO hate Americans for terrorists to recruit from. If someone shot the foot off your sister you'd probably be pretty pissed at them too.
I don't see you two being pissed off at Saudi Arabia which is actually where most of the 9/11 terrorists came from. Saddam wasn't about to carry out any attack on the US.
You guys need to get your stories straight. - fmorel90, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Happens with everything. People become what they hate without realizing it.
- monkeyboyhero, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Maybe no-one applauded because they're sick of people trawling out the war in Iraq to get a cheap round of applause? I'm sure if I said "isn't AIDS terrible?" to a group of people they'd all agree with me, but I wouldn't expect a standing ovation.
It's only natural to become inured to some extent to the pain and suffering around you - if you didn't you'd go completely mad. It's absolutely awful that people are losing their lives in the middle east, especially this many and especially when it's civilians. The posting of stories like this, and the avalanche of comments that it precipitates are proof that people DO care what's going on out in the middle east. But what do you want from people? Wailing and gnashing of teeth 24 hours a day? - thedogfatherx, on 03/26/2008, -9/+13I agree. But in this world it is necessary at times. Wish it weren't so though.
- tidu, on 03/26/2008, -2/+6y's aren't necessary.
- creationism, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8RTFA
- HonestAbe, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Except, you know, recession.
- silveravnt, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Upon doing some research most think that about 10 million slaves were taken from Africa and about 2 million of those died on the trip.
I don't know how to put any simpler how I think it would be better to be a black person in the US today and have endured the legacy of slavery than to be living in Africa right now.That thought is not really pertinent but it is on topic. - cphelps, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7No it's not. It's called you're an idiot and you don't possess the skill of reading comprehension.
- HonestAbe, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4You're ignorant.
- SupaDawg, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7100% correct. I hate these knee-jerk retards who can't exercise the simple act of comprehending an article. What's the thought process here? "OMG! 300m Dead? in Iraq? *****! I'm not even going to bother reading that *****, but I'm going to comment about it!"
Brilliance. -
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