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22 yr CIA Vet told to falsify Iran intelligence, Fired.

washingtonpost.com — A 22 year veteran of the CIA and undercover operative in the Middle East was told on 5 separate occasions to falsify his reports or not file them at all, because his reports proved that Iraq had no WMD prior to invasion and that Iran canceled its nuclear weapons program in 2003. After repeatedly refusing his superiors fired him.

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  • quesi, on 07/02/2008, -9/+248Straight out of the Washington Post:

    The informant provided secret evidence that Tehran had halted its research into designing and building a nuclear weapon. Yet, when the operative sought to file reports on the findings, his attempts were "thwarted by CIA employees," according to court papers. Later he was told to "remove himself from any further handling" of the informant, the documents say.


    I think we must prefer to rely on the always trustworthy intelligence from everyone's favorite "ally". You know - the one that doesn't spy on us, and isn't contolling our foreign policy, key appointed positions, and much of the MSM?
    • noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -6/+14Does 'thwarted' in this case mean published in the National Intelligence Estimate?
    • mbraynard, on 07/02/2008, -34/+17This story is based solely on the uncorroborated account of one fired employee.

      Do you really hate Bush so much that you loose all objectivity in evaluating a story?

      The account may be true and it may not be; but making a conclusion now would be .... pre-emptive.
      • digitalhair, on 07/02/2008, -9/+47If you were truly objective braynard, you wouldn't have been compelled to assume quesi's opinion was formed "solely on the uncorroborated account of a fired employee." You don't have to turn the TV on to realize we're listening to the same propaganda we heard before invading Iraq.

        The last time somebody tried to warn us about false intelligence, somebody like you convinced enough people to ignore it using precisely the same rhetoric and logic you've employed here, and you're still unapologetically professing your objectivity like there's no lesson from the past.

        I've learned who to trust and who not to trust by looking at who has the most to gain from invading countries, AND IT AINT THE PEOPLE IN MY TAX BRACKET.
      • Malshew, on 07/02/2008, -13/+7Good point mbraynard,

        The other thing I wonder is if it is true, there is still the possibility that Bush didn't know that the falsification was going on. Colin Powell definitely gives the impression he trusted the information given to him.
      • dOOBiEx213, on 07/02/2008, -10/+4Lose*. You just lost all credibility on the count that you can't spell for *****. I can understand spelling "loose" as "lose," but you PURPOSELY ADDED AN EXTRA "O." Game over, YOU lose.
      • MacSuxWindozSux, on 07/02/2008, -2/+9Same ***** all over again. Iran never did anything to anyone.

        Sure they deserve scrutiny over their nuke program, but they aren't evil. They aren't bad guys. The "war is inevitable" push George Bush is making again, is the same lie that he used with Iraq.

        He should fight North Korea instead, but alas no oil.
      • evilgourmet, on 07/02/2008, -1/+13One persons account is called WHISTLE-BLOWING.
        We have to take it seriously, and there are many other instances of hiding evidence in this POTUS's admin, from bottom to top.
      • MicahT0078, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6@mbraynard

        No, but I can recognize the grammatical errors of a Bush sycophant when I see them.
      • wellyuk, on 07/02/2008, -3/+4@dOOBiEx213,

        It was a single spelling mistake. To say he "can't spell for *****", based on a single spelling mistake is rather disproportionate.

        I don't agree with his point, but then I don't agree with yours either.
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7This account corroborates all other accounts of people in the intelligence community who didn't produce the kind of intelligence their bosses wanted and were censured for it. How many of those have there been now?
  • NaomiRobson, on 07/02/2008, -15/+335In case it isn't yet totally clear to you all:

    There are rogue elements within the US intelligence services, tracing back to 'Poppy' Bush, that do not represent or serve the will of the American people.
    • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -9/+98by 'Poppy', do you mean 'George Herber Walker Opium Poppy Bush?' (aka George Shreff--nazi and thief)
    • NaomiRobson, on 07/02/2008, -8/+108Yes, George Herbert Walker Piracy Arms-trade Black-ops Funding-Terrorists Trafficking Opium Poppy Bush.
      • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -18/+43psst...over here (shhh) "9/11 was an inside job!!!!!!!" opps, that was kinda loud, sorry.
    • theNazz, on 07/02/2008, -7/+44I'm sure nobody in the CIA is enjoying the bumper crops of Opium in Afghanistan that came about since Booosh decided to invade the country to find one man in a cave...
      • Rabbit63, on 07/02/2008, -16/+34That is no accident. The Bush family and the CIA also has always been heavily involved in the heroin Trade. The Taliban were enemies of the heroin trade, and that was just one of the things which offended the *****.
      • noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -12/+19Rabbit is there solid evidence of that or are you just ***** to see what sticks?
      • TopherT, on 07/02/2008, -8/+3Of course there's solid evidence, man, it in Dick Cheney's hidden underground bunker. Oh, and expect the CIA to appear at your front door soon, they have microphones everywhere. Actually they can read your mind, quick wrap some tinfoil around your head, it makes the signal bounce back.
      • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -4/+4Yes, TopherT, here is what the DoD says about 'tinfoil':
        "Since this technology utilizes radiofrequency energy, it can be defeated by the use of shielding provided by conductive barriers like metal or metal screen."
        http://digg.com/general_sciences/DOD_Report_Bioeff ...
      • 2reflective, on 07/02/2008, -2/+6@noahhoward

        Just search for Mike Ruppert on YouTube, an ex LA Narcotics officer. It's not just the Bush family though... it goes much deeper.
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2@Noahhoward- What he said is pretty well documented. The MSM says the Taliban was growing opium and that we put a stop to it, but all you need to do is compare the outputs before and after 2001-2002 to see that the MSM is lying.

        There's a good reason for it, too. In case you've been asleep for the past 30 years, the CIA is heavily involved in the drug trade. Drugs are an all-cash business, and therefore the drug trade provides the necessary liquidity to keep our banks and economy running.

        Like 2reflective says, look up Mike Ruppert and former assistant HUD director Catherine Austin Fitts. They cover the topic in great detail.
    • Epistaxis, on 07/02/2008, -6/+34Yes, and they run the place. Whistleblowers like this one are the rogues.
    • frequentFlyer, on 07/02/2008, -13/+3"rogue" elements? his m/o has become status quo, no?

      i rhymed.
    • diggthis123, on 07/02/2008, -6/+38The guy's behind the Wizard of Oz curtain, exaggerating the terrorism threat, are the same ones that tried to exaggerate the Communism threat in the late 80's (that they had a web of Russian communists ready to take over) = all manufactured lies.

      When you realize who actually runs America - big businesses (banks, oil, media in this country etc) - then you can understand why our interests as citizens don't matter much, or at all, when it comes to huge issues such as these. We just need to find a way to stop them - 8 years of perpetuating this charade is long enough for me - I won't believe it anymore.
      • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/02/2008, -2/+17Interesting that at least 4 people dugg you down, yet didn't leave a response. What does *that* say?
      • Memitim, on 07/02/2008, -3/+7That most Digg readers are lazy and inarticulate. ;)
      • Infidelcastr0, on 07/02/2008, -2/+5That many Republicans are still living in "Holy America vs Evil Empire" fantasy land.
      • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4"Who owns you, America?" (George Carlin):
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg
      • lpferris, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2diggthis123, I totally agree with you, but it has been way more than eight years that this crap has been going on. It's just more obvious these days.
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1The neocons have been pulling this ***** since at least Reagan's first term. Much longer than 8 years.
    • mapkinase, on 07/02/2008, -4/+5Three days of Condor - 2?
    • Tyrghast, on 07/02/2008, -0/+15Oh they go a lot farther back than the Bush dynasty...
    • tramblings, on 07/02/2008, -6/+4I'm glad I'm not the only one who figured out that our democracy isn't everything it's advertised as. Money trumps all and runs the country. As far as opium goes, it wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for drug users. Every person who smokes a joint, or whatever else is encouraging a system of corruption that permeates every government throughout the world. Take away the demand and the drug cartels who's roots likely run straight to the top, will fall.
      • LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -1/+6Tramblings. Opium has been the leading painkiller since the dawn of time. Only recently has Big Pharma threatened its dominance, and even then, its best painkillers are Opiates...like Oxycontin.

        The British Empire was built on the trade of Opium as a medicinal, just as America was built on the transport of oil, and the Romans on the creation of roads.

        Drugs are not a threat to anyone, as evidenced in legalized countries like the Netherlands. They only threaten Big Business/Pharma which pays a lot of money to our government to make sure that Prozac, Effexor, etc. etc. aren't replaced by a safer, more natural, proven by millenia of use...Marijuana.

        If you want to blame drugs for the problems of the world, you've missed the whole point of why the same Republicans who built Noriega, built Saddam, took down Saddam, etc. It's all about GRAFT. Declare a perpetual war on ANYTHING and taxpayer money is filtered in huge amounts to friends of the current administration. It's always been about the payback graft for the buying of the presidency.

        Bush Sr was CIA, responsible for the drug running through Panama including the creation of Noriega. Which then led to arms for hostages after the overthrow of a puppet Shah his people installed. If you even just casually do your homework, you'll see the Bush family, Rumsfeld, and Cheney involved in all of this even before Nixon.
      • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3Good points, but if ya gotta have it then "just say grow"...make your own, saturate the local market with free stuff...that's what they are afraid of; That it won't fund US terrorism.
      • JoeVet, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3Of course if drugs were legal then that "system of corruption that permeates every government throughout the world" would disappear as well and it is alot easier to vote in sensible politicians than to try and deprive the people of the vices that see them through their day.
      • LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -0/+3Actually the vices they control keep us all docile...fearful...poor...doped up...pliable. Good little sheep afraid of everything except those who really pull the strings. Our eyes too blind to see that we're all getting squeezed dry year after year. No health care. Our dollar worth 1/2 of what it used to be. Our jobs overseas. No retirement guarantees. Rent don't own. Monthly fees for everything. This is how you create perpetual wage slaves to feed the top 1% year after year after year.

        Tell me I'm wrong.
      • quesi, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2"our democracy" isn't see if you can find the word democracy in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution and Bill of Rights. While you are at it, read the preamble to the Bill of Rights
      • tramblings, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2@ Quesi. I'll take you up on that challenge. I haven't read those since high school.

        @ Exscaplius. You're right, my version of things is simplistic and a bit erroneous. Illegal drug use feeds the illegal drug industry. If you stopped feeding that industry then the powers that be would find other streams of income to extract from the peasants. And in both cases they'd continue to create wars for us to fight to cause the ebb and flow of money to steer in their direction.

        Even still, the illegal drug trade is a bloody one and I'd like to think a few lives would be made better if people stopped feeding it.
    • bigfinger, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Understand that you undercut your argument by name calling
  • americangoy, on 07/02/2008, -24/+77f***k's sake...

    I wanted to take a break from blogging for a day...
    • namezod, on 07/02/2008, -10/+28Nobody is forcing you.
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -20/+57What ever will your 14 readers do without you?
      • mbraynard, on 07/02/2008, -8/+24You're being VERY generous there. Unless you are counting the bots.
      • digitalhair, on 07/02/2008, -10/+5let's remember that you fellas make up the exaggerated 12% of Bush's current approval rating, and your comments only act to drive people toward americangoy's blog, so comment away.
      • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -9/+7The only thing I really approve of with Bush is that he CONSTANTLY manages to cause "progressives" such as yourself to get their little panties at knots.

        americangoy, congrats on your 15th reader digitalhair ^^
    • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -14/+14trolls --^-- ; and not just any trolls, but they are in the camp of Herkimer56 and digg LGF articles. Nasty.
    • johnomaz, on 07/02/2008, -8/+12yet you still said nothing.
    • Zihuatanejo, on 07/02/2008, -2/+21I hope your blog is ***** uncensored.
    • CCoe, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Actually, he made me laugh - it was a good comment. What's with all the outrageously unnecessary aggressive comments being dug up?
  • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -10/+42"In the months after the conflict, the operative became the target of two internal investigations, one of them alleging an improper sexual relationship with a female informant...." Part 'A' goes into part 'B'...check. (I guess he should have made a youtube for proof that it was proper!)
  • americangoy, on 07/02/2008, -14/+155Hoo boy, another suicide in the making...
    • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -8/+13Knock...On....Wood. (and I don't mean masturbate!!!)
      • gcnaddict, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2Most people don't knock on their *****, I hope.
    • bosssmiley, on 07/02/2008, -6/+20First shoe dropped. Just waiting for the other now...
    • wonderworm, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9That Fired CIA needs to write a book and FAST before they knock him off and tell all the media outlets it was a suicide and quickly close the file.
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Didn't work for the DC madam. She went on Alex Jones predicting she would be assassinated and wound up dead anyway.
  • WTFppl, on 07/02/2008, -12/+67OR...A suicide yet to be made?
  • jlhoben, on 07/02/2008, -13/+51Sounds like the new America.
    • sultanica, on 07/02/2008, -0/+12new? It's been like this for at least 20-30 years, only now more people than usual are waking up to the fact.
    • specialK16, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2I watched Lil Bush yesterday. I was disgusted and sick, and not because the show sucks, but because it shows the actual reality of your government.
    • Drazzim12, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I hope it's better than New Coke.
  • StingingNettle, on 07/02/2008, -12/+234Getting fired by our government = patriotic.
    • Gutterpunk, on 07/02/2008, -7/+32Yep... thats how it is now. People getting fired are more respected than people who don't.

      Weird... But surely it means nothing!
    • Memitim, on 07/02/2008, -4/+18We're a nation born from rebellion, despite how much those who stockpile our nation's wealth try to forget. Turning on the government for the sake of the people still resonates with many of us.
      • EricSchC1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8In other parts of the world, the people revolt over less than this. Maybe a nation this large and cumbersome has grown a little too complacent.
    • psingl8715, on 07/02/2008, -6/+12Some of my best friends in the military went AWOL and decided not to participate in this unjustified war. Sure, they will be branded as traitors and need to serve several years in prison but to me, they are the true heroes of this war. Let us not forget.
      • quaxon, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7They are the true heros. The traitors are the jarheads still in iraq taking illegal orders and killing innocent civilians (and yes, pretty much everyone killed there is an innocent civilian just trying to fight for their country, just because we brand them as a terrorist or insurgent doesnt give us the moral high ground to kill them)
      • Slick37c, on 07/02/2008, -6/+5Are you kidding? They signed up! I have no sympathy for those who joined the military knowing fully well that they can be asked to do the government's bidding at a moments notice (which does in fact include dying). I don't care if it's unjust. Many wars were unjust, pretty much every war except the Revolution, Civil War, and WW2 were technically unjust. We're an empire, and empires need enemies. You do your job that you signed up to do, and you don't go AWOL. Heroes my ass.
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2If they were duped into signing up (and we were all duped) I can't fault them.
    • digitalhair, on 07/02/2008, -4/+8I wonder if Valerie Plame has been enjoying her time off as a high-profile patriot...

      and she wasn't the one who found out the yellowcake Uranium claim was a LIE...

      ...AND she was working on PREVENTING Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons!!!!!

      http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CBS_confirms_2006_Ra ...
      • UltamateAddict, on 07/02/2008, -4/+6"yellowcake Uranium claim was a LIE..."

        was read as

        "yellowcake Uranium cake was a LIE..."

        portal mind control FTW
  • mejaredme, on 07/02/2008, -10/+26Truly sad.
    • kilt42, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2i'll tell you something else that's true. i'll bet that 75% of the people who will read this article won't be surprised. It'll just be another day under Bush.
  • rex84, on 07/02/2008, -12/+55Now is the time to stop this war before it begins. We need to use the alternative media to get stories like this into the national mindset, because we all know the MSM aren't doing their jobs.
    • Gutterpunk, on 07/02/2008, -9/+6They are doing exactly what their job description is : Make money out of world events.

      To lure yourself into thinking that they are there to inform is crazyness
    • larissa13, on 07/02/2008, -7/+10MSM is doing exactly as directed. MSM are turning profits as directed by the board of directors. Its not the news, its a sales pitch.
    • regeya, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5So, the New Yorker isn't part of MSM? 'Coz they've broken the news about the conspiracy to destabilize Iran.

      I don't know what MSM everyone's paying attention to...maybe y'all think FOX News is the only mainstream media left. Most MSM has been fairly critical of the administration of the last 8 years.
      • Memitim, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2"Mainstream media" is an asinine term anyhow. It's a matter of whatever people are actually paying attention to. Digg actually holds a lot of influence with its demographic, it just isn't a very significant demographic in the overall scheme of things. Meanwhile outlets like FOX News and CNBC derive massive influence because of their demographic populace and wealth, respectively. And they do so by delivering exactly what is wanted by most demographics: elitist jingoism. Other news outlets considered to be mainstream media try to maintain a broad spectrum appeal but that just can't compete against devotional fervor.

        If you don't believe that, submit a positive George W Bush story (assuming such a thing exists) on Digg and watch it in action.
      • rex84, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Stories like this will never make it closer to the front page of MSM newspapers than 17a. Thanks to websites like Digg, we can get these stories read by hundreds of thousands of more people.
      • pintomp3, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3of course they are part of it. they were big cheerleaders in the run up to the war. judith miller anyone?
    • KMyHero, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5The Washington Post is VERY mainstream, especially in the DC circles. MSM is not just Fox News, CNN, and network television.
    • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3And buy a rifle. All of us will be personally affected by this before it's over.
  • poprocksandsoda, on 07/02/2008, -57/+12Sounds like someone has an axe to grind with their former employer. I do not put an ounce of weight on these types of accustations.
    • Verfel, on 07/02/2008, -7/+19Given the current record of the Bush administration (WMDs everywhere, we swear.), shouldn't we at least look at the documents in question in hopes of avoiding another Iraq?
      • poprocksandsoda, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2I think you've made a good objective point as opposed to all the people who just dugg me down without comment.

        I'd be curious to know your thoughts on this: if this story talked about a fired manager of a fast food chain claiming that food was being sold well beyond the expiration date wouldn't you ask why they came forward after being canned? It's a little convenient don't you think?
      • Verfel, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2It may seem that way, but the analogy is flawed. Remember, these documents have been recorded as part of a secret investigation. Being a CIA covert agent doesn't help either as their name must remain under wraps under penalty of treason. It's not surprising that their reports would be kept under wraps as well.

        The former agent is trying to do this without committing himself to the gallows by going through the justice system to release his reports in a time when tensions are at their worst with Iran, on top of that, according to the article this guy has been at this since around 2004.

        To work for 22 years and get fired really doesn't make sense either. You keep your veterans close because they're the most experienced with the most to share, also firing of government agents (in itself) is rare and flat out unusual.

        But taking your analogy to point. Regardless of the possibility that the manager was lying, it would still be the responsibility of the FDA to investigate those claims because of the possible health risk to the general public. Take the recent Salmonella outbreak, the FDA is now saying that their not absolutely positive it was the tomatoes, but they still investigated it fully just because it might be true. Probable cause does enter into the equation and I see where your coming from, but because the Bush Administration screwed the populace in the past with the exact same claims, we have to assume that any discrepancies must be a valid possibility and at least seek credibility before we outright dismiss them.
    • norm7, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2What about Bush's accusations?
      WMD in Iraq, Saddam Al-Qaeda link, WMD in Iran...
      C'mon, at least be consistent in your skepticism.
      • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Well, let's revisit those accusations from the facts on Wikipedia:

        According to reports from the previous U.N. inspection agency, UNSCOM, Iraq produced 600 metric tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, VX and sarin, and nearly 25,000 rockets and 15,000 artillery shells, with chemical agents, that are still unaccounted for. In fact, in 1995, Iraq told the United Nations that it had produced at least 30,000 liters of biological agents, including anthrax and other toxins it could put on missiles, but that all of it had been destroyed.

        So these would appear to be WMD to me ... and Iraq confirmed they produced this ... so you're recommending that we should have trusted Iraq enough when they said they destroyed it but could not provide evidence? Oh to live in the dreamland you exist for a day.
      • norm7, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Actually, I was more going by the fact that countless weapons inspections had found nothing, and the fact that we have since found nothing. Oh, and no ***** Iraq had WMD once upon a time... we sold plenty to them.

        http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.

        Even if they hadn't been destroyed, it was hardly a plausible pretext for going to war. Are we going to attack every nation in the world that has WMD?

        Conservatives really enjoy thinking that they live in "the real world," but it seems your idea of "the real world" is to just attack nations based on some vague suspicion that a nation whose leader we do not like MAY have WMD, despite consistent investigations to discover the truth of the matter showing that he no longer had WMD.

        I guess that's what your beloved leader Bush calls "going with his gut."
  • Masternajee, on 07/02/2008, -43/+9It is always interesting to hear the he said/she said deals out of Washington. Guess what, I tell my boss and company things all the time and they dont listen. I am sure that everyone experiences this. Sometimes I am right, and sometimes they are. It is the nature of it all.

    This one might have a legitimate claim-or he could have an ulterior purpose. I wonder though, with the Washington Post, would this be printed if there was a Democat in the White House.
    • schroeder, on 07/02/2008, -6/+15Telling your boss something and him not listening is a bit different when it is information that is vital to starting another war. He alleges that employees wouldn't even allow him to file his findings. People are against the war and future war in Iran. Republican or Democrat in office is irrelevant. This is being reported as a story of non-partisan national interest. Sometimes you have to listen to what the little guy has to say when the big guy has too much power to hide the truth.
    • Gutterpunk, on 07/02/2008, -6/+14So the stuff that you tell your boss and that he doesn't listen too, do they lead to war?
  • sultanica, on 07/02/2008, -8/+80After the Contra affair (still ongoing FYI) and the admission by the CIA chief that drug running helped fund black ops and research, why would anyone be surprised about this?

    Video with admission: http://joeplummer.com/government_drug_running.html
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -6/+18Because they have an ingrained mentality about being the ebst, do no wrong, etc, etc.... Even after 7 years of war over lies, spying, secret prisons and torturing (Each one first denied, then changed definitions to try and allow it). America is great is still echoed by the lemmings, unable to see that what made America great(That is a Government by the people, for the people) has been corrupted a long time ago. The American government now serves lobbyists, and not the people. Corporate interests outweigh citizens interest.

      The citizens fro their part - have been pansified by TV(The opiate of the masses), pharmaceuticals have left them listless, and the media on said tv just rotates the mantra of U.S.A!

      • EricSchC1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Look at it this way, given what options are available to the American people, we vote w/our wallets first, brains second, every bit as much as any politician does. The fact that people vote against party lines and/or change parties altogether and with increasing frequency means the public is as financially corrupt and morally bankrupt as the politicians we vote for and clearly neither side of the aisle in Washington wants to cop to who really believes in what.

        Look at the current energy/fuel crisis: People opt to by hybrids and advocate stricter Oil regulation more and more all the time, not because its right, but because the current policies are too taxing on the wallet.

        If this wasn't true, you'd never hear a republican crying about tax revenue thats actually earmarked for the public benefit, or a democrat crying over de-regulated public services entities.
    • cannonball, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Its not that we're surprised by any of this, its just that we feel stupid for not knowing anything about it till now.

      ***** Fox News.
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -3/+1Man I love these old school conspiracy theories. Can you reset the whole hobos at the Texas School Book Depository for me too?
  • mrcoderga, on 07/02/2008, -7/+26The subjects of impeachment jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.

    Guide to Impeachment
    http://faculty.lls.edu/manheim/cl1/impeach.htm
  • reuscel, on 07/02/2008, -12/+39C'mon, if you can't shirk the constitutional duties of your job and lie for political expediency, then you deserve to be fired.

    Wow, the Bush administration has really broken America, hasn't it?
    • CrazedLeper, on 07/02/2008, -7/+25America has been broken long before Bush. He's just really brazen about flaunting it since he knows he's untouchable.
    • Wakkyweed, on 07/02/2008, -12/+7Yes, the Bush presidency has broken America. I was very proud of my country as a kid, growing up during the Bicentennial. America was a beacon of freedom in the world. We didn't invade other countries unless we had no other choice. We didn't torture prisoners. We didn't wiretap without a warrant. We didn't hold people in jail for 6 years without a trial.

      Thankfully our long national nightmare will soon be at an end. On 1/20/09 I propose that the entire nation take the day off and have a giant party. We deserve it.
      • noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -6/+13*****, you've just grown up.
      • sodade, on 07/02/2008, -5/+16How can people be so ***** ignorant of the ***** things our country has been doing around the world since WW2?
        Chile
        Nicaragua
        Iran
        Cuba
        I could go on.

        Our foreign policy has been dictated by the MIC since 45.
      • LenBaird, on 07/02/2008, -1/+10It started way before Bush, and it will continue after him until we put a stop to it. Don't get suckered into thinking we just need to wait for a new president. Even a democrat, even an Obama.
      • Wakkyweed, on 07/02/2008, -3/+7@sodade

        I am fully aware of everything that happened in Chile, Nicaragua, et all. However, the Bush administration has brought the things we have done to a stunning new level of FUBAR.

        I was just trying to say that when I was ten years old there were things that, as a nation, Americans would have frowned upon. Now we don't even pretend to hide the horrible things that we do. It makes me sick.
      • jpop, on 07/02/2008, -2/+4No, they did, you just didn't see it publicized so much because it wasn't under Republican administrations...
      • regeya, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8Aw, *****. People were just ignorant back then.

        Read about the massacre at Dresden if you think the United States wasn't guilty of horrific atrocities against civilians before the Bush administration. Some consider the Allies' massacre at Dresden to be the worst crime committed against civilians of WW2--all to prove to Russia that we meant business.

        http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm
      • quaxon, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5So wakyweed, by your logic, if we can just pretend the horrible things that america does on a daily basis (and has been doing for quite some time know) then everything is dandy and we can all keep on as good, proud, patriotic little americans then yea?
      • Wakkyweed, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1@everyone of you nit-picky Digg trolls who insist on tearing apart a simple post about how Bush ***** up the country...

        Yes, I realize that America has done a lot of ***** things. Just like every other major nation on the Earth, we have done vile and hateful things to further our agenda. But for all the crappy things we have done, we have also done plenty of great things that other nations wouldn't dream of doing. There are certain unique American qualities that make this nation worthy of our patriotism and support.

        @quaxon - No, I do not believe that we should just pretend that horrible things don't happen. You deliberately misconstrued my words there. I was trying to communicate the point that not only does the Bush administration have way more than it's fair share of dirty dealings, it doesn't even PRETEND to hide it's dirty dealings or the erosion of our liberties.

        @regeya - Yes, the firebombing at Dresden sucked, but the British bomber command was as much to blame as the US for that. And that certainly isn't the worst crime of WW2. The Rape of Nanking was arguable far worse. Really, all of the different sides in WW2 committed atrocities, so trying to pick and chose who bears the most blame is stupid and essentially futile.

        Americans as a people have certain ideals that we believe in, whether or not our ***** government follows through on them. These ideals are freedom, democracy, and being a force for good in the world. I'm sorry if all of you get your panties in a wad whenever patriotism is mentioned, but I guess I can blame the right-wing nutjobs for twisting the term so much that liberals no longer feel they can trust it. I just want to get rid of the Bush administration so that I can possibly be proud of our nation again. Is that so wrong?
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I can't wait until we win this Presidential Election and change things like the Democrat-led Congress has these past couple of years.
  • slug007, on 07/02/2008, -8/+21Why lie? So a war can be started against Iran??? WTF?
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -8/+9Such is the leadership in America today.

      going along with it is the citizenry of America today...While at the same time saying "What can I do", before driving away to their jobs helping the machine move...

    • cJw314, on 07/02/2008, -8/+6Why sound so surprised? Doest thou livest in a cave?
    • LenBaird, on 07/02/2008, -2/+5You did notice that we are in a war based on lies with Iraq didn't you?
      All wars since World War one (and many before that) have been based on lies. People won't send their sons to die so that some fat rich banker can make money.
      • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3How many more century's do we have to live through before the majority get it?

        "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm(working for life) want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm(Work) in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

        - Hermann Goering
    • diggduggDOOM, on 07/02/2008, -2/+4The Noble Lie. Look it up.
    • daveydla, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3Ummm...duh!
    • norm7, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0Iran War? FTW!
  • dagnabbit, on 07/02/2008, -8/+53This should be the top news story on every station. Not holding my breath.
  • cointelproof, on 07/02/2008, -18/+83If your not outraged, your not paying attention.
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -24/+12If you can't even use your/you're properly, then you're an idiot and your opinion means nothing to me.
      • cointelproof, on 07/02/2008, -7/+8I do regret the shoddy spelling, but I fail to see the reason for such a terse reply. Your whole existence means nothing to me.
      • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -6/+10The terse reply was because Chomsky is a tool, and the quote is hackneyed even when spelled properly.
      • Memitim, on 07/02/2008, -7/+10Remember kids, when attempting to effect social change, the intent behind what you have to say means nothing. It is all about the grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
    • bsl4doc, on 07/02/2008, -13/+12So, does quoting old bumper stickers (with improper grammar, it's "you're", not "your", you idiot) count as wit, now?

      "My child can beat up your honor student". Go ahead, Digg me up for my wit, which is equally as powerful and original as cointelproof's.
      • cointelproof, on 07/02/2008, -7/+6It's a Noam Chomsky quote. I've already given myself a hundred lashings with a rusty bike chain for such insolent spelling.
      • makeitloud, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2That should have been "My child can beat up you're honor student."
    • cJw314, on 07/02/2008, -15/+8My question is why is he getting dugg up? Obvious idiocy = digg down.
      • cointelproof, on 07/02/2008, -6/+3My question is why don't you dugg off.
      • cJw314, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1stfu, digghead.


        /sigh

        yeah, i know.
    • wizzroom, on 07/02/2008, -11/+11your statement could have sounded intelligent if it wasn't for the blatant display of bad english.

      take note of my lesson below:

      you are = you're


      • cointelproof, on 07/02/2008, -11/+5You are correct, I hang my head in shame for such terrible spelling. Twas copy pasted from a website, sheer laziness.
    • PeterODactyl, on 07/02/2008, -8/+5When you can't argue the point, criticize the spelling.
      • wizzroom, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1There's no argument in the statement above. You can't argue with bad English. It is what it is.
    • SpookyPig, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5How many people realize that George Carlin first said this back in the 70's
      • triad203, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Yeah, but he spelled it right. 'Cus he knew English and stuff...
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1So did Noam Chomsky.

        So did lots of people, not just comedians.
  • thedogfatherx, on 07/02/2008, -3/+19Hmmm. I'm not going to rush to judgement on this one. I'm curious as to what we will all find out during these court hearings.
    • noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -4/+11Something does't add up but whatever, we'll see although I know most folks here made up their mind already.
      • diggthis123, on 07/02/2008, -5/+6Something hasn't been adding up for at least 8 years now...
      • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -4/+7Historical reasons perhaps?
      • Memitim, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6I haven't made up my mind, but I'm a hell of a lot more open to the idea than I might otherwise be. I trust my daughter for the most part but I damn sure get suspicious when I see an unexplaned popsicle wrapper on the counter.
    • gandhii, on 07/02/2008, -3/+2I doubt there will be court hearings
      • opticwind, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1Then I doubt you read the article.
    • rv36116, on 07/02/2008, -3/+3Still holding your breath for Karl Rove to show up in court after being subpoenaed as well?

      ***** wake up, we're under a *****-ass-tyrannical government rule, it's not a dream and it's not imaginary, look at everything going to pot right now, do you think it's just chance it's all falling apart, or could have it been prevented?
  • whiterice0, on 07/02/2008, -1/+62I have limited experience with the CIA, but their intelligence tends to be pretty spotty or non-existent. In 1983, I was serving in the military and we invaded Grenada. 23 U.S. soldiers died and hundreds Grenadians were killed. The CIA had no intelligence about the island, and the military had to use tourist maps to get around. The CIA also failed to provide any intelligence when we invaded Panama, and that resulted in, among many others, Navy SEALS dying.
    • TypeEE, on 07/02/2008, -2/+34I think CIA improved since 1983 as they could provide google maps to the troops now.
    • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -5/+7"among many others"

      2000 civilians, as I recall -- all to rescue just one Noriega (Bush CIA operative helping to fund the clandestine things congress wouldn't with the drug running -- Same as how they are funded to this day at the cost of MILLIONS imprisioned and addicted or just blown up) Did I miss anything?
    • floatingorb, on 07/02/2008, -7/+6addendum: Here is what I think of Reagan (hell, it was never Reagan; It was always Bush -- Reagan didn't *just get* senile -- It had been onsetting for a long time) But if it really WAS him that authorized and approved of that Rex84 plan and Cia domestic propaganda machine which still afflicts us now then I say "Will someone please digg the ***** up and smoke pot out of his skull?"
    • nickrollout, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Or, how about the CIA being surprised that the Soviet Union was about to collapse.

      These were the people they were supposed to be watching for the 40 plus years the Iron Curtain was in place. They had a lot of time to set up a network and gather information.

      The whole problem with the the CIA is it is "central" and sitting in their offices tweaking super computer simulations, when they should be the "Dispersed Intelligence Agency" actually out in the field collecting information.

  • CrazedLeper, on 07/02/2008, -7/+40"CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano declined to comment on the specifics of the case but flatly rejected the allegation that the agency had suppressed reports. "It would be wrong to suggest that agency managers direct their officers to falsify the intelligence they collect or to suppress it for political reasons," he said. "That's not our policy. That's not what we're about." "

    Oh, nice try Paul but I think we all know better.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/02/2008, -2/+5Yeah, talk about a logical fallacy: We say that we do not do those things, therefore any claim that we do is therefore wrong.
      Let's add that to what every defendant in a criminal case says. "Judge, I am sorry but I would never do what I am being charged with, so case closed right?"
    • gandhii, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Yea.. I'm not seeing how failing to answer the question equates to "flatly rejected"
    • opticwind, on 07/02/2008, -4/+2Why do you assume this guy is telling the truth? Wait for the court hearings to hear both sides of the story. You're the one always saying that accused in Guantanamo deserve to be given a defense before assuming their guilty.
      • CrazedLeper, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1There is sufficient evidence that the CIA runs (or has run) drugs in US cities. Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent. The CIA created Al Qaeda (and, no, they didn't lose control of them). They fixed intel for the Iraq war and, yes, have been attempting to do the exact same thing WITH THE EXACT SAME LIE to Iran. We have enough evidence that the testimony of the CIA is not credible.
      • opticwind, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2Oh God, a 9/11 truther.
    • diggpatt, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4We here at the CIA don't lie, and because of that you can count on this statement being truthful as well.
    • shpoffo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1"wrong" can be used in the sense of 'undesireable or unsuitable'. His statement is quite consistent with the events when you read it that way:

      "It would be [undesireable or unsuitable] to suggest that agency managers direct their officers to falsify the intelligence they collect or to suppress it for political reasons," he said. "That's not our policy. That's not what we're about."

      Win Spin is still Fail
    • maximoo2, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0Oh the CIA spokesperson said its true. It most be true. LOL.
      • opticwind, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Oh, the guy that got fired says they fired him for a bad reason. It must be true. LOL.
  • poidh, on 07/02/2008, -29/+8If Iran cancelled its nuke program in 2003 but restarted it a week later, does that mean they do or don't have a nuke program?

    Hmmmm tough one, that.
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -7/+13Why would you assume they restarted it? Seems like you are forming the mental image to justify attacking a nation that did nothing to you, and from a majority of reports will never be a threat to you....

      Why be a douche?
      • poidh, on 07/02/2008, -7/+3I'm not assuming they restarted it any more than I assume that I had a piss today.
      • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6"If Iran cancelled its nuke program in 2003 but restarted it a week later, does that mean they do or don't have a nuke program?"

        - Very clearly you are insinuating that they restarted it....

    • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/02/2008, -8/+7But they didn't restart it. Sorry.
      • poidh, on 07/02/2008, -5/+3Cool. You made me feel alot better Mr elBaradai.
    • wizzroom, on 07/02/2008, -7/+8that's a narrow question.

      according to reports, Iran halted their nuclear weapons (keyword) program in 2003. In recent times, they began a nuclear program for what they say is for producing energy. The difference you see is intent and definition. Even if they enriched uranium from a civilian nuclear program, this does not indicate an intention to build a nuclear weapon as there are other uses for it than just a weapon.

      so don't be so narrow mmmkay?
      • poidh, on 07/02/2008, -3/+2So all the evidence which suggests that they are going to stick the nasty stuff on a missile just doesn't exist (in your head only)?

        Let's say there was no evidence. Should a country like Iran have nuclear power? After all, it's not like they are sitting on enormous oil reserves or are drenched in sunlight or have a leadership and percentage of the population which is completely insane or anything.
    • EricSchC1, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1If there's proof they canceled it, where's your proof they re-started it?
    • macewan, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1You needed to drink more milk while growing up. This story can't be that difficult to follow.
  • MWeather, on 07/02/2008, -7/+34Being briefed by the CIA is like being a mushroom. They keep you in the dark and feed you *****.
  • Mwatkins, on 07/02/2008, -29/+7Got a question for all the "Wow, the Bush administration has really broken America, hasn't it?" and "There are rogue elements within the US intelligence services, tracing back to 'Poppy' Bush, that do not represent or serve the will of the American people."

    You people are crazy. I mean give it a rest. Everything seems to be his fault, raging gas prices, food prices going up, etc., etc.

    Why don't we blame him for the levy's being broken, fires in California, droughts, global warming, crime rates on the rise.

    We all know he hasn't been the best President, but people you just can't blame EVERYTHING that goes wrong on one person..
    • bsl4doc, on 07/02/2008, -8/+17I thought you said you had a question? I don't see any questions in your post, just rambling, neo-conservative propaganda intertwined with poorly constructed sentences, improper grammar, and misspelled words.
    • veijeri, on 07/02/2008, -6/+14You can blame him for the infrastructure of the U.S. fracturing over 8 years so public services and engineers are ill-equipped to prevent or respond to fires, droughts, crime rates, and especially levies breaking; funds that should be used on our citizens instead go to Iraq.
    • bmullins, on 07/02/2008, -7/+12Raging gas prices ARE his fault. If the middle east was as stable as is was under Hussein do you really think gas prices would cost this much? Of course it wouldn't, because Hussein would have made sure it didn't so we wouldn't come after him directly. And you can't seriously think that they didn't lie and actively deceived the American public and it's representatives to get us there? Would gas prices be this way if we went to Iraq anyways with an actual plan other than the ***** we went in with?

      Food prices going up... I could make a weak correlation, but I see your point and will give you that one.

      Noone is blaming him for the levy's being broken. They are blaming him for putting a horse lover in the position that is responsible for managing such a disaster. You can't really be happy with FEMA's response can you? If you are, then I sincerely hope a very localized (just over your house) disaster hits you and you have to go through what those people went through because of shear managerial incompetence.

      Fires, droughts, crime rates.... again, a correlation could be made but it would be a real stretch.

      Global Warming.... Not his fault, for sure... but statements like 'The jury is still out on global warming' certainly do nothing to help. Especially when you only say that because you'd rather not face reality and piss off all your buddy's who have a financial interest at stake.

      So yeah... can't blame everything on him... but he's certainly done enough to be thrown out of office.

      And don't get me started on the democrats or the rest of the republicans.
      • PiffanyB, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4I blame Bush and anyone who elected him into office for everything that goes wrong in this country. Call me a hypocrite but im sure others would agree.
    • heresy_fnord, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4People like you Mwatkins always blame democrats and people who haven't been in the whitehouse for years (Clinton) for things that are messed up now. Bush and Company are what is wrong with the country right now and what will be wrong with this Country for several years to come.

      Your trite comment aside (levys, wildfires) being Bushes fault, a lot of what is wrong is either directly his fault or one of his good ol' boys.
  • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -5/+26Are we talking about the same CIA which said in August 1978 that Iran was "not in a revolutionary or even a prerevolutionary situation." Those brilliant bastards!
  • superfusion, on 07/02/2008, -6/+35Treason is a crime even an ex-President or VP can be convicted of.
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -6/+10the world is waiting for those currently in office to be held accountable. Sadly the American people seem either not to care what is happening, or too lazy/fearful to try and stop it.

      • blackjack75, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Think about Pinochet in Chile... how many years before he got something vaguely ressembling a trial in his own country?

      • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2I know it may seem strange, but I still have hope for the American people....

        I keep telling myself that the pot will eventually biol, and the red blooded, salt of the earth people I have met when I have been there will realize that what is at stake isn't their health, their happiness, their comfort - but that of their children and grandchildren, and so on.

        When that happens, I tell myself, they will start looking for blood - it is the American way - only this time they will be after their true attackers. I chuckle a little inside every time I think of it...The only question is how much pain and suffering or death and destruction has to happen. Whether some destruction has to fall on American cities before they finally figure it out.
    • cJw314, on 07/02/2008, -6/+7IMPEACH.
    • macewan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Impeachment would be nice. The option of war crimes was taken off the table with a recently passed bill/law.
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1So lying to a grand jury is treason?
      • Hangly, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1About national security, or a blowjob?
  • dizilbdog, on 07/02/2008, -9/+33You know people still won't believe the CIA are a bunch of ***** from shipping the drugs in here to putting the Shaw in Iran to helping Bin Laden and Hussein. The public I swear have some sort of mental block that they just don't believe that bad things happen. This country really is heading toward a ***** storm maybe not today or tomorrow or next month but very soon.
    • bsl4doc, on 07/02/2008, -1/+15The CIA put a 20th century Irish playwright in power as the leader of Iran?

      Wow, they really are ballsy.
    • toddc612, on 07/02/2008, -5/+0There's this item of punctuation in the English language called a "comma". It's used to indicate a division or a slight pause in a sentence, so order can be given to sequential elements.

      Try using them sometime.
  • yojiffyskippy, on 07/02/2008, -20/+10So Iran WAS working on nuclear weapons? I thought they said that they weren't!?!?! So they lied? That is outrageous. I hope Obama gets to the bottom of this when he starts negotiating with them.
    • SpeedSteamBoat, on 07/02/2008, -7/+9No, they were. That was known. They stopped five years ago.

      The Obama comment exemplifies your ignorance. Well done.
    • regeya, on 07/02/2008, -1/+7The current thinking is that the war against Iran will be left to McCain, but if it looks like he'll lose, the war will start before Bush is out of office. If Obama really wants to negotiate, he might as well do it now.
  • Rudegar, on 07/02/2008, -13/+1maybe he was selling stolen office supplies from his webstore run on their servers :O
  • noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -5/+22Okay... didn't the CIA just come out and say that Iran had halted weapons production? Yet this guy is trying to say he was fired when he tried to suggest that they had halted production... what am I missing here? Why would be fired for stating intelligence that the agency then publishes?
    • HippyInASuit, on 07/02/2008, -6/+8Because that isn't what they wanted him to say.
      • jpop, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4Or because they felt he was compromised and passing on bad intel.
      • ehalasey, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Of course they're going to think he's "compromised" when he gives them the answers they're not looking for.
    • vizel, on 07/02/2008, -3/+4The article doesn't say exactly when all of this occurred, but he did file a lawsuit in 2004. Now remember all the false intelligence that was circulating prior to the buildup to the Iraqi war. Both Iraq and Iran were named by Bush as belonging to the axis of evil... it doesn't take a stretch of imagination to believe they would be suppressing intelligence that, similar to Iraqi intelligence they were receiving before the war, wasn't exactly following the established path that our administration seemed so driven to follow.

      Now fast forward four years, and note the public's turnaround in opinion, and also Bush's attempts to salvage the world view of America slightly before the end of his presidency. NOW the report emerges that Iran halted work on nuclear weapons design in 2003.... Are things starting to add up?
    • gandhii, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7His issue started back in 2004.. We're just hearing about it now. The same goes for the CIA thing you mentioned.
  • STPZ, on 07/02/2008, -11/+7would a military coup make the government less militaristic? cant see how it could get ne worse
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 07/02/2008, -4/+6would a kick in the ass make you less of an dumbass? cant see how you could get ne worse
  • angusm, on 07/02/2008, -8/+17The CIA is an outdated institution that still clings to old-fashioned ideas about 'reality', 'truth' and 'facts'. As such, it can only obstruct our sacred mission to realize our historical destiny and shape the course of the new American century.

    Intuition trumps analysis, faith trumps knowledge, ideology trumps science: welcome to Bushworld.


  • soroushe, on 07/02/2008, -6/+25Honestly we can sit here on comment on this article all we want and it won't change a thing. This administration has already made up it's mind about Iran and WE (The American People) sit around and do nothing about it. If the price of gas went up %100 in less than a year in any country but the U.S, people would take to the streets and protest. We only have our selves to blame. IMOP.
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -6/+14Don't know why you are getting dugg down. It is obvious to all that have watched. A few years ago a President from some eastern European country got caught lying about some election issue and the people rioted until he left office. In China - CHINA - they rioted for the cover up of a murder child.....

      How many children have been killed? How many lies have been spewed?

      Nothing - not a bip from the Americans. It makes me wonder what they will think of when the rest of the world decides it is only a matter of time before the US decides they also are terrorists, and decide to do eliminate the threat. Will Americans understand that the world is only saving them from the oppressive government?

      Yet they have expected other nations to react that way...
      • soroushe, on 07/02/2008, -6/+4Exactly my point...
      • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -6/+7I know, doesn't seem to stop the bury brigade though does it?

        It seems Americans are far removed from this "brave American" image they have been creating. Seems most of the country got all riled up for 3000 Americans being killed for payback - and yet, despite more people have died for this war of lies - nothing.
    • norm7, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1We'll go out in the streets and protest as soon as we are finished digging up every anti-Bush article on the internet.

      Should be done any minute now...
  • HippyInASuit, on 07/02/2008, -8/+14Anybody who's been paying attention has known for quite some time that Iran poses no threat and has no nukes. They don't even dare retaliate as we pay terrorists to bomb their mosques. None of that matters though, in the sense that Bush is going to bomb Iran before he leave office regardless.
  • hokie47, on 07/02/2008, -7/+15If I knowingly gave wrong information and someone was killed or hurt because of it I would be tossed into jail. Why should these people be any different.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/02/2008, -2/+5Again I notice that you are dugg down, but without any response. Authority worshippers have nothing to argue, so they try to suppress.the truth.
    • macewan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1It appears that the rules do not apply to them. Even Bush and Chenney can do what they want without consequences.
  • diggthis123, on 07/02/2008, -6/+10Sadly, this article does not surprise me. The US is going to attack Iran, most likely before the end of this year, and it won't be for the reasons they try and shove down our throat.
  • 55mph, on 07/02/2008, -14/+17There is so much evidence that is not being investigated.

    I love the way the perfectly sectioned steel beams from WTC 1, 2 and 7 were quickly carted off to China after 9-11.
    • norm7, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1TIN-HAT ALERT, TIN-HAT ALERT, WEE OOO WEE OOO
    • maximoo2, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Ya strange how the 9/11 commission is STILL working on the WTC building 7 report.
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1I love a good conspiracy theory. Please reset the bigfoot 8mm video for me.
  • EntreLangdon, on 07/02/2008, -6/+9makes me sick
  • iamthearm, on 07/02/2008, -8/+8Should we believe just one person over a whole government? Granted, I don't trust the government at all but I would need more evidence than one person.
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -6/+9Isn't the last 6 years of a war based on lies and fixed intel enough evidense that it does happen? Then the only question is did it happen to him - but very clearly it does happen. 4000 of your best sons and daughters have died for it.
    • blackjack75, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4I'd say at least a random person has the benefit of the doubt. I can't say the same for the other party in this issue.
    • stienster, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3something about you says... 'I'm starting to wake up... but not quite yet'. Come on... you can do this! You're not alone, we all had to go through this initial horror, but after a few weeks... Well ok, it doesn't get better, but at least we know what the hell is really going on!
      • iamthearm, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Believe me, I'm already awake. I don't know everything that is going on but I know our government has come out of someone's ass, has been flushed, and is heading tword the sewer system as we speak. People are using this oppertunity to say all kinds of things about our country wether they are the truth or not.
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Hey, if this guy was a 22 year employee fired from managing a gas station who all of sudden came forward with revelations that the station waters down gas ... you'd have to believe him right? I mean, it's not like people who get fired have an axe to grind.
    • jaymzdean, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2So, in your opinion, a "whistleblower" does not actually exist. A fairy tale character.
      My god, you're a stupid son of a bitch.
      • iamthearm, on 07/03/2008, -2/+0I love how defensive you are about my comment. It exposes you.
  • DeleteFrance, on 07/02/2008, -22/+6The Washington Post and half of the CIA are under control of the socialist enemy, do not believe anything they say. The real enemy is the left wing scum......
    • Waiting2awake, on 07/02/2008, -7/+13Actually the real enemy is being naive enough to fall for the left ./ right paradigm.

      Stop fearing your brother, man up and see who has really hurt your country. It certainly wasn't an Afghani or Iraqi...Nope,



    • RonBurgundy76, on 07/02/2008, -9/+5Go home and shoot yourself in the face, please.
  • SatoriSeeker, on 07/02/2008, -6/+15The main stream media in this country will not run this story. Don't hold your breath for CNN to step up, they didn't even put a story up when Kucinich read the impeachment resolution until about 3 days after it happened, no details, and buried it far out of view from anyone casually browsing even the politics section.

    The MSM is completely owned and run by the people with the money, the same people have all the influence in our government as well. So in a way we really are not much better than China where the media is state owned, there's just one more level of indirection in the US of A because the Rich own the State AND the Media.
  • peaceordeath, on 07/02/2008, -6/+13Crooked ass BushCo...
    Strikes again.
  • jsavage58, on 07/02/2008, -9/+2For frig sake,, if you are going to attack Iran, then just do it already. You, I and everybody else knows it's going to happen one way or another. America will do it, or Israel will do it,, either way, it's gonna happen.
    Everybody types oodles of paragraphs about how bad and wrong and everything else it will be.. But that's all anybody does. Sit in veiled silence and enter their opinion in a digg page. Type long "smart" diatribes about the poor rational and great idea's and everyone should be peaceful and blah blah blah.
    But, nobody is doing anything but gripe. One big fat placated society.
    So, it's going to happen. Stop wasting everybody's time and patience, get it over with.
    • jsavage58, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0And you digg me down because you know it's true. All a bunch of keyboard genius's. You're at work, wasting time, browsing around on your lunch break for something to do. Offer all your two cent opinions. What a bunch of know it alls. If you have all the answers then put them to use.. But you won't give up the easy sit on your a** lives your have now.
      Of course it's much easier to type about it rather then DO anything.
      • stienster, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1dude... PLENTY is being done. Open your eyes. All the senators were served with Petitions To Redress on 6/30, and that's just ONE thing happening. Use your brain and do some research online, even on Digg... it all over the place!
  • LaosLoveChild, on 07/02/2008, -7/+17CIA = Crack In America
    • poprocksandsoda, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I love this conspiracy theory. Which part explains why people use crack in the first place?
  • MaceSoul, on 07/02/2008, -2/+8That's too bad, the CIA is first and foremost supposed to be non-partisan. If it's going to do stuff like this, may as well shut it down.
  • SatoriSeeker, on 07/02/2008, -9/+11Is someone spamming negative diggs on all the comments? Angry neocon maybe?
    • wonderworm, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4McCain and the Neo Con money machine have paid trollers on all the main social networking sites now who's sole jobs is to digg down en mass the negative McCain comments and post negative Obama comments and then digg them up en mass.

      Pay attention digg. You are being infiltrated by the Rove Machine.

      • lsloany, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3No, you are incorrect. Mcain is actually a really good guy and he's your friend. Obama lies and steals candy from babies. I'm totally hip and cool with this Digg site, just so you know. I'm not a paid troll, honestly.
  • easy4lif, on 07/02/2008, -12/+1if you don't do what your boss tells you to do, odds are your gonna be fired. he didn't falseify records in Iran, good for him, but come did he really expect to keep his job afterward.
    • treehugger87, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Umm, of course he did. And he was doing his job by refusing to falsify documents.

      'CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano declined to comment on the specifics of the case but flatly rejected the allegation that the agency had suppressed reports. "It would be wrong to suggest that agency managers direct their officers to falsify the intelligence they collect or to suppress it for political reasons," he said. "That's not our policy. That's not what we're about."'
  • Navicerts, on 07/02/2008, -7/+10This whole ordeal is eerily similar to the "Valerie Plame event". The "smoking gun" that the Bush administration used to invade Iraq was the attempted purchase of uranium from Niger. Valerie, along with her husband (Joseph Wilson, basically the second ambassador to Iraq) were responsible for determining if Iraq had WMD's or not; they came to the conclusion that the documents that suggested Iraq was purchasing uranium were forged. He went on to tell the Bush administration and CIA his conclusions.

    The Bush administrations response was to "out" Plame as an under cover CIA op thus ending her career and the career of her husband (Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice in the case but was later commuted by Bush, Rove got off easier). As if that wasn't enough Bush went on to address the United States AFTER it was determined that the documents were a fraud, citing the uranium purchase as fact shortly before invading Iraq.

    It's good to see there are still good, smart people working for the CIA in both of these events. It's too bad this is the way they are getting treated and even more sad that this administration is costing us so many good people.

    Hopefully we can avoid the same mistake this time......

    Here is some source for some of the stuff mentioned above....
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/17/60minute ...

  • SatoriSeeker, on 07/02/2008, -6/+2continued - False Flag Attack Planned On Denver

    Finally, a staged “Iranian” dirty bomb detonated to coincide with the DNC in August could be expected to revitalize support for the Bush Administration’s post 9/11 anti-terrorism matrix and for the neocon ideology that has infused it.

    For many months, a number of political analysts have feared that elements in the Bush Administration have been planning major false flag “terrorism” such as the detonation of a radioactive “dirty bomb” in a U.S. city, terrorism on a scale that would justify cancellation of the coming presidential election, a declaration of martial law, and refusal to relinquish power to a successor administration.

    In May 2007, Bush issued National Security Directive No. 51 giving himself, on his own initiative, the power to control the executive, legislative, and judicial branches -- all functions of government -- in the event of a catastrophic national emergency. National emergency is defined elastically as “any incident, regardless of location” that would “damage or disrupt” the U.S. population, economy, or government functions.

    There is no language in Directive 51 that requires Bush to obtain the consent of Congress before he seizes such power, nor is there an acknowledgement that under existing law he is already required to do just that. Directive 51 simply ignores the existing National Emergencies Act, and in so doing Bush authorizes himself - or if he is disabled, the Vice President - to control all functions of government for the duration of the emergency “and afterward.”

    A combination of official pronouncements, expansion of executive powers, and Congressional trends has led many analysts to fear that another self-serving problem-reaction-solution scenario is indeed in the offing, in which as a response to the reaction of widespread public fear the solution of martial law would be offered and welcomed.

    Under Presidential Directive 51, martial law in the U.S. would automatically extend to Canada and Mexico as a result of advances, achieved largely through stealth and disinformation, in implementing a North American Union (NAU). Under martial law, the U.S. President would assume authoritarian control over the three governmental functions—executive, legislative and judicial—for all three nations.

    Extending martial law even more globally could be facilitated by staging additional events entailing further massive loss of life.

    If these events ensued within days of the first instance of violence and death, they would preclude any real recovery of the populace from the original trauma, and indeed they would escalate it to the degree necessary for acceptance of worldwide martial governance.

    A warning of just such a scenario was given in 1974 by Dr. Wernher von Braun, who stated that the dark forces controlling world wealth and political power had over a third of a century ago planned a series of escalating false flag events as a means for acquiring total global control.

    There are lessons here for the current case of insider concern about a horrific DNC false flag disaster that could claim 20,000 lives. Even if this concern has only a small probability of manifesting, it is nevertheless vital to disseminate it widely with a view to thwarting the plot and all of its attendant horrors.
  • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/02/2008, -7/+4Wasn't there a war fought based upon Taxation without Representation? Wasn't that the American Revolution? Didn't I learn about that in Public School?
    And how are we NOT supposed to notice this?
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