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- beckers, on 10/12/2007, -23/+114Except of course for that whole "choose the government that you want" thing called democracy
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -27/+116"It is setup politically almost identically to Soviet Russia"
Yeah sure, just like the US politically is almost identical to Nazi Germany. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+62I love the EU because they make Microsoft cry like a little girl.
- KlayBorg, on 10/12/2007, -27/+69"Some reasons to hate the EU. It is setup politically almost identically to Soviet Russia ......"
Shows how much you know... - jerryparid, on 10/12/2007, -26/+6621. Bush is not the president
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -16/+54"Anyone see their GDP going up? No its flat"
Why don't you look at the numbers before talking such BS?
The EU's real GDP growth rate was 2.8% in 2006 (same as Japan). The US was doing with 3.4% a little better. However some analysts say that because of the cooling American housing market the 2007 and 2008 GDP growth will be LOWER than the European Union's! - cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -12/+49@bryan879:
Do you know ANYTHING about the EU?
The EU is constantly criticized by the socialist parties in Europe for caring too much about the economy and little about its citizens. In fact one reason why the EU constitution failed was the pure focus on economics and a completely lacking on social issues. The EU is in the end still an economical union with it's main interest being maximized profits! - cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -13/+49So how about those American fanboys called "patriots"?
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+48There must be a huge body of misinformation overseas -or pure blindness-. I can't see how the parallelism of EU to Soviet Russia can work to any sane mind. Either the people from US spouting such things don't know a thing of how things are over here -in EU- or they're politically motivated. Hello, fully opening the countries boarders economically -especially when speaking about sought political enemies, like the French and the Germans always were- is a lot more radical move towards a free economy than US ever dreamed of. EU is not the Dreamland but at the time speaking it is the greatest economical powerhouse with its GDP growing over the US one, although being stationed in a lot smaller territory, while its long term economical prospects seem a lot brighter. There are some millions of people living on soon to be advanced nations who will gross the EU domestic product to astronomical numbers, while at the same time its currency -Euro- remains as strong as ever.
Everything happened to America the last century is small compared to what happened to Europe in the last 60 years, there was ABSOLUTE peace over this territory for the first time the last 2000 years, the most mortal enemies live in here for over 1500 years making Middle-East seem a playground compared to what Europe really is and some people managed to retain balance in such a territory. The Marshall plan may laid the foundations of the long peace period but if it was not for EU we would have at least one third WW. For everyone reading history it is evident that there are a series of miracles going on Europe that it hold in such spectacular balance.
Regardless of the Union's shortcomings I can only be ambitious for it, I could only be crazy if I was not.... - SerifTheRobot, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37Sign me up. My roommate is from Spain and had a free college education. Plus, he is cooler than me.
- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -18/+45The Brussels Journal is the Internet cradle of xenophobia and reactionary conservatism.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30There is an elected parliament in the EU but most of the decisions are made by unelected people.
- FiP0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Troll ?
It's an American article ! - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Propaganda written and publicised by an independent American magazine. Yeah, I see the clear parallel....
- eam52guy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24'Living in Europe' makes it sound like there's some single European Experience and the whole place is homogenised. Nothing could be further from the truth. Take the difference between life in Manhatten and life in small-town Idaho, then multiply it by 5, and you begin to have an idea of what sort of contrasts there are in the place you paint with one big brush.
- kurttrail, on 10/12/2007, -19/+40In Soviet Russia, the EU hates you.
Sorry. - rupaw, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Excellent slideshow!
I'm a proud European citizen and although not everything is perfect here I just want to say:
THANK YOU E-U !!!! - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28The EU is great.. if you're Spanish.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24@JusticeRebel:
"All of this is happening TODAY!"
It does?
Funny, Germany had it's biggest export year ever.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2078rank.html - lazyeyesam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@cyberdork
"As an international facility, the CERN sites are not officially under Swiss or French jurisdiction..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cern
See also Member States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cern#Member_States - loconet, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23What do American taxes pay for? Oh that's right ...that big mess in Iraq
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20@jewcantdenyit:
Guess what, I am actually happy that my taxes finance the college education of kids and not unnecessary wars. - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Nothing to do with the EU. Taxes are a national responsibility.
- kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I know that affordable or free healthcare and education are socialist concepts to some, but we take them for granted in the EU.
- Panthro83, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19I for one love living in Europe. I have been on the Erasmus scheme, allowing me to study in another country was one of the best experiences ever and truly opens your eyes to other countries and their cultures. Not to mention being able to freely move between countries without being treated like a terrorist (as the usa seems to think everyone is these days).
- unruled, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19all the anti-european comments in this thread are ***** rediculous..
how is the EU a bad thing? its one of the strongest economic alliances, that actually ensure that people's rights are maintained.
I am thankful more then anything.
Seems to me your more afraid or jealous then anything else. Why else would a simple "20 reasons to love the EU" stir up so many bitter comments?
yes, go ahead and bury me. - stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19WOOOO I for one am happy to see the New World Order/One World Government inching ever closer to becoming a reality.
- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15American taxes don't pay for *****.. Oh yea it goes into corporations like insurance companies, and oil companies so that they can take more of our money. The US sucks.. I get tired of seeing that spoiled EU kid in Germany or France talking about how we are this, and that.....
Plus theres no High Fructose Corn Syrup in the EU..
Trust me if they got rid of it in America within 2 weeks public health will take a dramatic change.. I tried quiting the stuff, but the ***** is in EVERYTHING you eat in the US.
Goto Europe for 2 weeks, and I lose like 30 pounds(never was overweight, but I got smaller XD ) - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I'm from Spain also. What the hell is that free college you're talking about?! There are grants for poor people and scholarships for students with high marks, but nothing more! You have to pay initial fees, not to talk about that things such a place to live and food, etc.
Anyway, where do you say being Spanish is cool? Do ladies there like Spaniards? :P - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@ eam52guy
Well said and a very important point. - Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Sorry, but I am British, born and raised in the UK, and I Emigrated to Ireland, a core part of the EU.
I actually wish the UK would hurry up and join the Euro. Yes, having your tax system in a blanket policy applied to all states is not always necessarily a good thing, but the Euro is a much better currency IMO. The british need to learn not to take EU law and policy so seriously.
One of the big things I noticed when I came to Ireland is the relaxed attitude to EU policy. The Irish have the same approach as the french and Spanish to it - say "yeah, whatever", when the EU brings in new regs, keep on doing things the way you have always done them, and wait for someone to actually complain to the EU court about breaking the new regs.
I believe that Ireland is finally being brought to court over it's Vehicle Registration Tax, which the EU declared illegal about 5 years ago. The case could take another 2 years to go through the system, then Ireland will probably be given 12 months to stop it, and given a small fine by national standards. The Irish made about one Billion Euro from it last year.
The British however, jump on every new regulation like a pack of wild dogs, and insist on rigidly enforcing it everywhere. It's just stupid.
No, I love the EU and everything it stands for. I just wish that Europe would put it's foot down with Internet domains being mis-managed by that joke of a US set-up, ICANN. I say Europe ought to have it's own version of it, where we get to make the rules for the IP space here. - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16The best of Europe, in my opinion, is not in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Method_of_Coordination
It's like Open Source Government. In a first glance the European Parliment and Council looks like just another layer of representativeness, but it's very different from that. - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"I'm sure it's freaking great for the little countries being bullied into entering, and then being bullied into setting up welfare states."
Ireland begs to differ. - eam52guy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I don't remember the riots being about the Muslim community (implying it was in some way religious), instead the poorer, largely african populated, Parisian suburbs.
- kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16He's comparing youth riots in France to World War II.
Yeah, it's a stupid comparison. - kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15lol mac fanboys are bad.... Now the EU is awesome... When I was in Frankfurt.. The city looked more advanced than when I goto any city int he US. I'm back in the US, and everything looks like the stone ages here...
Da Vinci code the movie made sure to show the parts that don't show how Paris has technology integrated with its city... That way Americans still think they're the best. - Tarnum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Last time I checked, the "new member states" were begging to be allowed to join.
- GonzoLiga, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21Too bad this is being dugg down. Facts is facts, and the naive EU-fanboys here are looking at the EU from an American perspective. Touring Europe doesn't help, try living there, boys. I did.
Living in Europe will do wonders for your sense of perspective, as you plan future Digg posts about your own personal experiences. - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I wish people would bother to gain even a cursory knowledge of the subject matter instead of talking out of their ass. The new EU members applied to join because of the economic and political benefits.
How exactly can the EU or member states "bully" countries into joining the EU, in any case? Please, provide your sources, because you're describing an international scandal. - martsmithuk, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20Um, what's a 'Euro Dollar'?
- tvashtar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Ah that central tenet of our wonderful Irish philosophy: If in doubt say “Sure ***** It” and go for a pint.
Now if you'll excuse me I have a pint to finish. - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15The people you know are idiots. The UK held a referendum two years after we joined the EC; 66% of people agreed to remain in the EC. Britain's membership of the present-day EU is down to both Conservative and Labour governments who've supported remaining in the EU. Every country held a parliamentary vote, and many held referendums. If people didn't like the EU, they would have voted for an anti-EU party.
Europeans don't like Muslims imposing their values and religion on us. We don't mind Muslims. Why am I not surprised that the anti-EU fanatics keep mentioning Muslims? Nationalistic *****, anybody?
By the way, the EU is essentially a series of treaties. We can leave the EU at any time by terminating our side of the treaty. Except, we don't, because the EU is vital to the prosperity of every member state. - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Dude, do some research. There's no "centralized control" on the EU. There is one place to discuss political issues on a *network of countries*, that place is called the European Parliment. There's no such thing as "centralized power" on the European Union.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@JusticeRebel
An over simplification. A trade deficit naturally brings inward investment at the same time. There is no innate benefit or disability in a trade deficit or inward investment since they nearly always add up to a zero sum.
Take the example of the UK. We have had turned massive trade deficits for years as we import but also London is one of the strongest economic capitals on the planet (possibly the strongest from a certain perspective since SOX) since it encourages inward investment. If a trade deficit was truly evil then we'd be extremely poor rather than the 5th richest country on the planet. Really trade deficits are meaningless and are just something politicians throw at each other in order to score cheap points. - ekso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"Just because you get a little world travel in does not make you a citizen of the world."
Yes, it does. You should try it sometimes instead of being locked on your room trolling web forums. - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12How doesn't the EU allow countries to choose their own "destiny"? Individual countries choose whether to be part of the EU or not. On the executive level they also choose how fast to implement most EU policies (and occasionally, there are opt-outs as is the case with Britain and Denmark in the monetary policy for example). And all countries have democratic representation in the parliament as well as governmental representation in the council and one European commissary.
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You ignorant xenophobic *****.
- zcreem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The European Union is the best thing to happen to Europe, ever.
The last time we had harmony like this was under the Romans, and they didn't offer free and fair elections.
I am English and have lived in Germany for 7 years I also lived in Spain for 2 years, I now speak two foreign languages and have a deeper understanding of the cultural differences, however the fundamental values of these countries and its peoples are the same. That is to say there is no real difference between a Britain a Spaniard or a German. That is what the EU has given me peace and understanding, Pax Europa! - radio4fan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Except food, books, kids clothes, public transport, air travel...
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Unemployment is fine here in the UK. Admittedly we have the highest 'opt out' rate in the EU.
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