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- inactive, on 08/08/2008, -70/+382Description is misleading. 1,400 innocent civilians were killed by Georgians, not Russians.
- Skor459, on 08/09/2008, -6/+197A nice way to kick off world unity in the Olympic games.
- jei731, on 08/09/2008, -45/+225Georgia seems to have started the conflict.
- redslash, on 08/09/2008, -10/+146My faith in Digg is renewed. Actual news makes the front page.
EDIT: new estimate says 1,500 civilians dead. Wow. I can't believe something like this just came out of nowhere. - merimeet, on 08/09/2008, -8/+115Unfortunately, I had to hear about this from a friend of mine who is from Georgia. Now he's going to be going home to Georgia to fight. Age 17..
Where is the peace?? - inactive, on 08/09/2008, -34/+131In my opinion, the U.S. has no place to call for Georgia's sovereign territory to be respected while it has thousands of troops in Iraq and was one of the biggest supporters of Kosovo's independence.
- Mihey, on 08/09/2008, -27/+119No, Russia now has a solid precedent to intervene in South Ossetia. If NATO could do it for Kosovo, Russia can do it for South Ossetia.
- redslash, on 08/09/2008, -30/+104They have been killed by both armies... it's far too soon and far too unclear to assign the ultimate blame yet.
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -35/+102DIGG HAS BIAS SYSTEM CONFIRMED. OTHER ARTICLE ON THIS SAME SUBJECT CREATED A DAY EARLIER WITH 4000 DIGGS AND 1500 COMMENTS (AND COUNTING) DID NOT MAKE IT TO DIGG FRONT PAGE, YET THIS ONE WITH A MISLEADING TITLE DOES IN HOURS.
1400 Civilians died before Russia did anything. Among those 1400 south ossetians killed was around 20 russian peacekeepers. An entire city was leveled to the ground by georgian heavy artillery in an unprovoked attack. As a result of this heavy loss of life and massive attack on russian citizens and personnel, russia launched an invasion of this soon to be extinct republic. ***** the western ***** media it need to be crushed since it is a lying piece of *****. Take the piece of ***** Digg down with it, it's just another tool. - grozny, on 08/09/2008, -17/+82Some facts which are overlooked by western media:
1. S. Ossetia fought off Georgia in 1992
2. Russia brokered truce between Georgia and S. Ossetia in 1992-93
3. Both Georgia and S. Ossetia *agreed* to be separated by russian peacekeepers.
4. Georgia attacked peacekeepers and S.Ossetia positions about midnight, plus they shelled the capital. 15 russian peacekeepers died in shelling (their barracks were hit almost instantly). More than a thousand of S. Ossetia civilians died. For the whole night ossetians and peacekeepers were fending off georgian offensive. They almost lost. Russian peacekeepers were blocked until late next day, lost more in street fighting. georgians didn't allow to evacuate wounded and dead (both military and civilians).
5. The only purpose of 58th russian army elements sent by morning to the city of Tskhinvali was to restore
status quo. They did it and stopped on agreed upon separation line (AFAIR).
6. As for bombing of georgian territory - that's little over the top, but targets were military installations - airfields and the military naval pier . And georgian's collateral is far less than from shelling of the city.
Now ask yourself what would US or UK or any country do if their peacekeepers were attacked like that? - dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -10/+64South Ossetia IS GEORGIA.
First the soviet union invaded Georgia, then It gave the Ossetians Russian Passports, then they armed them with weapons, and promises of greatness if they only fight the Georgians to turn that land into Russian land. - blackjack75, on 08/09/2008, -4/+57Of all the available sources, you had to pick the freaking dailymail? Yeah, that's the true educated journalism source I want when it comes to war.
- rotundo, on 08/09/2008, -5/+56it's a pretty tough call -- sounds like Georgia started bombing South Ossetia first, which is why the Russians came in -- South Ossetia seems to have always had closer ties to Russia, despite being within Georgia's borders.
Does Georgia have the right to bomb South Ossetia to keep it in line? Does Russia have the right to bomb Georgia to protect South Ossetia?
Like most wars, it's a *****. - katerpilar, on 08/09/2008, -11/+57***** just got real
- heartcry, on 08/09/2008, -15/+54It is necessary to understand that South Ossetia is in no way a "disputed region". It is the territory of Georgia, however controlled by pro-Russian self-proclaimed government. The fact of "many Russian citizens" there has place only because Moscow was giving Russian passports to the people in South Ossetia (illegally, Georgia did not go beyound protesting - and here we have the result)
Personally I think that it was easy to avoid the conflict if Georgia put her troops there earlier - but at that time country did not have strong support from the US. - eddywolf, on 08/09/2008, -23/+59South Ossetia is Georgian sovereign territory. The Russians invaded and crossed another country's border with no regard to international law; they are the real aggressors.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -8/+43This is what happened the last time Russian troops were in Georgia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy
In 1995, Shevardnadze was officially elected as a president of Georgia. At the same time, two regions of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, quickly became embroiled in disputes with local separatists that led to widespread inter-ethnic violence and wars. Supported by Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia achieved de facto independence from Georgia. More than 250,000 Georgians were ethnically cleansed from Abkhazia by Abkhaz separatists and North Caucasians volunteers (including Chechens) in 1992-1993. More than 25,000 Georgians were expelled from Tskhinvali as well - Mihey, on 08/09/2008, -12/+47South Ossetia was FORCEFULLY annexed into Georgia back then in the Soviet Union.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -0/+35http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Notice the difference in Russian rhetoric when talking about separatists that want to break away from Russia, and separatists that want to break away from thier own country to join Russia. - RussianAndProud, on 08/09/2008, -7/+40They have been killed on the night of Aug 7, when Georgian military forces started demolishing the city with heavy "Grad" weapons, almost on the eve of Olimpyc truce. And 1,500 people were dead by the morning of Aug 8 due to the Georgian actions.
Russian had no more that hundred and a half 'peacekeeping' forces, about 10 Russian peacekeeps were killed during that bombing.
Any new Russian troops entered South Osetia only on the noon of Aug 8.
These are the fact. - znicket, on 08/09/2008, -6/+39Furthermore, this tactic of giving Russian passports to citizens of another country and thus gain the excuse to go in to "protect your citizens" is a dangerous one.
If Russia would do this here in the Baltic countries, they could get roughly half the population turned (all ex-russians from the occupation days) and from that point on it is easy to justify invasion. - inactive, on 08/09/2008, -1/+30Georgia does not have nuclear weapons.
- eddywolf, on 08/09/2008, -0/+27Russian wants to reunite South Ossetia with North Ossetia and become a Russian territory. But really, it's not about Ossetia per se, more about disrupting Georgia's chance to become a NATO member.
- blackjack75, on 08/09/2008, -1/+26Huh, that's the official voice of Moscow.. not really a neutral source since Russia is one of the parties in this war.
- fish0507, on 08/09/2008, -4/+29I'll have to agree with you 100%. We have to give up on Western media in general. They manipulate events like this all the time. A good example was when they took the tradgedy/massacre of Tianamen Square and made it look like the protestors were protesting communism. When in fact, they were protesting their government selling-out to American imperialism.
- darkhero, on 08/09/2008, -27/+49So what did we learn kids. Don't ***** with Russia.
- znicket, on 08/09/2008, -1/+22Sout Ossetia is still Georgian territory. Their referendum was not accepted by anybody - not even Russia.
- OpossumPetya, on 08/09/2008, -10/+31znicket, for your information nobody GAVE them Russian citizenship. Russia did setup extra passport processing centers near borders because of the high demand when the deadline - for everyone who was interested - for swapping out USSR passports to Russian was nearing several years ago. but to get it, they had to be want to get it and come to Russia to do the paper work. nobody was forcing them or gave them the citizenships as a present. Because Georgia was NOT giving them Georgian passports, and because nobody in the world recognizes USSR passports they all took the opportunity.
- caveman84, on 08/09/2008, -7/+27Georgians got what they asked for, Im from chechnya and i know first hand what russian troops are capable of. The only reason why Georgia is so bald and basically challenged Russia, because they have Strong US and NATO support, this is basically a proxy war that everyone predicted way back.
- atdigg, on 08/09/2008, -33/+53Georgians are in Georgia, where are the Russian troops? Do the math who is the aggressor.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -5/+25Hey Russki, I know it might be hard to recognize anything bad about the Mother Land, But not even Russia recognizes Ossetia as an Independent state.
Its independence has not been diplomatically recognized by any member of the United Nations(That INCLUDES RUSSIA) – which continues to regard South Ossetia as part of Georgia.
They have De-Facto independence, meaning they governn and rule themselves, but as far as the world is concerned, they are part of Georgia. - dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -4/+24An autonomy, that is part of Georgia.
- goerg, on 08/09/2008, -1/+20wrong
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -0/+19No because most of us took Geography classes at some point
- TheMoniker, on 08/09/2008, -1/+19Further (video) updates on the situation from the BBC:
Russia's position, given in an interview with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov :
http://digg.com/world_news/Russia_accuses_Georgia_ ...
Georgia's position, given in an interview with Mikhail Saakashvili (more or less calling for a ceasefire):
http://digg.com/world_news/Georgia_would_agree_to_ ...
And the summary from a while ago:
http://digg.com/world_news/Video_Footage_of_Situat ... - treelovinhippie, on 08/09/2008, -21/+38Actually the US is funding the Georgians: http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-attacks-russia-thro ...
... so technically the US is attacking Russia. How convenient that the Olympics started on the same day this happened, and the biggest thing in the mainstream media is the Edwards sex scandal. Sad, so very very sad. - DeathJux, on 08/09/2008, -2/+18Yes, actual news from the DailyMail. *That* is the most shocking part.
- nixfu, on 08/09/2008, -5/+20
Chronicle of events:
- 6 Aug 2008 Georgia started massive shelling of villages near Tshinvali
- 7 Aug 2008 23:30 Georgia started massive shelling of Tshinvali
- 8 Aug 2008 03:00 state minister of Georgia announces that Tshinvali is surrounded by georgian forces.
- 8 Aug 2008 15:00 Tshinvali is demolished. About 1400 ossetians killed
- 8 Aug 2008 16:00 Ossetian forces started counter attack, russian tanks entered Ossetia and fired towards georgian forces, Georgian forces left Tshinvali
Those people who accuse Russia of violating Georgian sovereignty:
1) Are you forgetting who started the war and killed thousands of civilians before Russia got involved militarily ?
2) Are you forgetting Russia has a UN mandate to maintain peace in the region and that's exactly what it does. It does not invadate Georgia, just throwing out its troops from where they are not supposed to be according to multilateral agreement.
3) Would you prefer Russia stand by and watch thousands more killed ?
I am not sure what they media in the west is trying to do here. I think our natural distrust of the Russians in the west is coloring the information a little too much.
I am gonna have to side with Russia on this myself that they might be doing the best thing they can. - djasshat, on 08/09/2008, -0/+15Whoa... this is actual conventional warfare here by a decent sized power. I thought that was all but a thing of the past.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -3/+18With Putin and Medvedev, its just a matter of time until they call it Soviet again.
- Mihey, on 08/09/2008, -2/+15That is the trick. South Ossetians held a referendum where they voted for independence. Georgia never accepted it.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -16/+29Only difference? Ossetia is trying to become independent. Its russian backed separatists attacking Georgians in order to annex that land into Russia. This is just the Russians trying to return to the grand days of the Soviet Union.
- redslash, on 08/09/2008, -3/+15And the U.S. does not support Georgia as much as Georgia might like to think. We like allies, sure, but priority #1 is to make sure Russia is not our enemy. If we have to sacrifice Georgia's trust to achieve that, well, that's really unfortunate, but...
- hjdutch, on 08/09/2008, -2/+14It's all relative
Georgia voted to break away from Soviet union, and got their wish, at same time Ossetia and Abkhazia held their referendums and declared independance, they got attacked by Georgia. - TheMerky1, on 08/09/2008, -1/+13The sucks about your friend. Hopefully the war gets halted because Russia seems pretty intent on teaching Georgia a lesson which would mean trouble for your friend.
- kinship, on 08/09/2008, -1/+12Funny lol, i thought the internets was a global thing, and the users on digg weren't just american..
- ConanCimmerian, on 08/09/2008, -0/+10Thanks for the valuable input
- bmystry, on 08/09/2008, -8/+18Actual news with a misleading title since it puts most of the blame on Russia when Georgia is the main culprit causing the most collateral damage, that's what it looks like anyways.
- dkapuchino, on 08/09/2008, -2/+12And order, and government, and economical prosperity.
- raimsb6, on 08/09/2008, -0/+10Keep in mind that the information "1,500 people were dead by the morning of Aug 8" is reported by Russian authorities. It has not been confirmed by an independent source. I'm not saying that it isn't true, just you need to take news from Russian and Georgian authorities with a grain of salt. Georgia says that Russia is deliberately bloating the numbers to justify their invasion.
Don't forget we also have a media war here and we get propaganda from both sides. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. -
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