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- Alheithinn, on 02/17/2009, -39/+347This is what happens when you are so desperate for recruits that you let criminals into the army. Lotta raping going on in today's army.
- uminchu, on 02/17/2009, -10/+236If you girls weren't already aware, you should stay out of the barracks. If you parents weren't aware, you should tell your girls to stay out of the barracks.
I never even invited any girls/girlfriends of mine into the barracks. There is absolutely nothing appealing about it...I was almost never in my barracks! - merky1, on 02/17/2009, -11/+229The military has always had these problems. Think about a high testosterone environment, give people zero social skills, and pay for food, beer, and room.
Think college... less drugs, more alcohol, and no real need to study. And the criminals have always been there. Even when I was in, there were people given the jail or basic option. - greendalek, on 02/17/2009, -9/+212"...not yet prepared to answer."
Is no one else mightily disturbed by that choice of words? Kind of like "We wanted to issue an official denial and cover-up, but you guys kinda caught us at a bad time. Can you go away for a few hours, give us time to come up with something?" - SOS84, on 02/17/2009, -8/+129After we got back from Haiti back in 94, a few guys from alpha battery 1st 39th FA at Bragg decided to have a barracks party where the featured entertainment were a handful of sixteen year old girls. That did not end well. Several were kicked out of the military, some went to jail. Things like this tend to happen in the military. The Army has and has always had some very severe problems that never get any better because no politician is willing to touch the military.
- slimkevi, on 02/17/2009, -5/+116"Why they snuck in there to commit suicide, we may never know..."
- Claverhouse, on 02/17/2009, -13/+117Sad. But the comments to the local article are rather funny --- as always.
One particularly haunting one, discussing Congress says:
"These fine men and women... make up the congress
Numbers from 1999:
* 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.
* 7 have been arrested for fraud.
* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.
* 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.
* 3 have been arrested for assault.
* 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
credit card.
* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.
* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.
* 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.
* And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity."
www.capitolhillblue.com/Aug1999/081699/criminalclass1-081699.htm - ATCclears, on 02/17/2009, -8/+86What happened to the secure/closed base?...
- bicyclethief, on 02/17/2009, -4/+71YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
- jazino, on 02/17/2009, -3/+66I did more drugs in the Army than I did out of the Army.
Couldn't agree more with the atmosphere of the barracks. Im actually surprised you don't hear bad things happening to "barracks rats" more often.
Now I wasn't on a closed base but from the sounds of it Fort Lewis isn't really closed in the way you would think, you just can't come and go because you sign in guests at the gate.
"Fort Lewis is home to some 30,000 military personnel. It is a closed base, meaning that civilians who want to enter need to show identification at a checkpoint and need a valid reason for coming on to the base." - Boundtoeternity, on 02/17/2009, -4/+61First off, might I point out that Sunday was the day AFTER Valentine's Day? Which means, I'm willing to bet, one of the 16 year old girls was seeing the soldier in question, and she didn't want to sneak out alone, so she asked her best friend to go with her. I'm willing to bet there's a high probability that the 16 year old girl and the soldier's "relationship" was a secret, and I wouldn't be surprised if the girl has had sexual encounters with the soldier prior to the incident. Since the relationship was a secret, 3:30 AM seems like an appropriate time for illegal things to go underway.
Whether the girl was drugged or not, I can assure you, it's easier to get on base than the military leads on. Sure, they do RANDOM ID checks, but mostly they only check for Military ID's. If you happen to be a passenger in a car with a military soldier, unless they are doing random ID checks, they don't check all ID's in the car because it is the soldier's responsibility to check in civilians. If a soldier doesn't want to check someone in (which if they are under 18, they can't be admitted without a guardian anyway), they just drive on by and no one is none-the-wiser.
Unauthorized people on base happen quite frequently; I'm surprised the military acts so dumbfounded by this.
For the record, I know Fort Benning has a HORRIBLE cocaine problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the girls were drugged, especially considering the high correlation between soldiers and drug addiction. Not to mention, despite the fact that there are laws against adultery, soldiers still conspire with each other for a consistent alibi so the job gets done despite any laws.
Shady ***** goes down on base, hands down, period. - Snoosy, on 02/17/2009, -5/+61You're probably going to get buried big time, but I laughed.
- ifruit, on 02/17/2009, -0/+53You can sign people onto base.
- TAGline, on 02/17/2009, -6/+59FTA: The dead girl showed no signs of physical trauma or any other obvious indications of what may have caused her death, Norgren said. Because of that, he said, the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner is expected to conduct an autopsy.
Although the majority of these comments are rape related, it seems highly unlikely that this was the case from the information in the article. Not even simple assault. That leaves internal damage, so possibly drugs or poison, and the fact that there was no physical trauma suggests consensual actions in whatever caused it. - stubear, on 02/17/2009, -12/+62@Ellrick,
Oh really? You've been through combat training have you? Soldiers are not taught to kill and maim unquestioningly, they are taught to defend themselves and their fellow soldiers when in danger. The U.S> military has rather strict ROE but there is a little latitude out in the field. The U.S. Army does not go on rampaging sprees across foreign lands, despite what you might read here on digg or some other blogs and news sites. - vertigo32, on 02/17/2009, -3/+5040%+ of women reporting being sexually assaulted while they are in the service definitely qualifies as 'lotta raping'.
That doesn't mean that everyone in the military is a rapist or criminal, but cases like this aren't isolated incidents. One of the biggest problems is that when these things DO happen, we usually find out that the brass was busy playing CYA or looking the other way when these things were going on.
It's no different than the generalizations you see with cops - one cop being bad or crooked doesn't make all cops bad. Seeing those so-called 'good' cops turn their heads or cover up is what gives people the negative image of police as a whole. - ahawks, on 02/17/2009, -2/+45I'm glad someone else felt this way too.
It just makes it sound blatantly obvious that they're preparing a cover story. - Dumborats, on 02/17/2009, -11/+54Good thing gays don't serve in the Military.
- drunkinbda, on 02/17/2009, -1/+43I think what he's saying is why put yourself in that position in the first place?
Im dont think all people in poor areas are violent, but im sure as hell not gonna go walking there late at night.. theres nothing appealing about it. - vertigo32, on 02/17/2009, -1/+40That sounds like a somewhat reasonable response by the brass. You can't control what a group of horny, motivated, 18-25 year old guys are going to do all the time. All you can do is try to minimize it as much as possible and punish people appropriately.
The only problem I have - and I'm speculating here - is that this was all done quietly and not used as a lesson about how the Army does not tolerate that type of behavior. People are more worried about getting the stink from something like this on their career than actually fixing the problem or punishing those responsible. - shawns, on 02/17/2009, -37/+69Right. It's not the people in the fort's fault. They are set to kill at all times, even against 16-year-old girls. it couldn't be their fault or the fault of the training staff at the fort. It's the girl's fault, or her parent's are to blame. There you go. Solved
- Snoosy, on 02/17/2009, -1/+3216 year olds are considered cougars for Pedobear.
- TheXboxReview, on 02/17/2009, -2/+32Dead 16 year olds, really?
- andyb747, on 02/17/2009, -0/+29"daily occurrence across the nation"
a dead 16 year old girl found in a military barrack is a daily occurrence across the nation??? - TheXboxReview, on 02/17/2009, -0/+28"And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity."
That's not good - StuWendall, on 02/17/2009, -0/+26Uh...
- CCunitz, on 02/17/2009, -3/+28You, sir, are functionally retarded.
Congrats! - moose26, on 02/17/2009, -0/+25Have you ever seen cars with the Diplomat license plates. I was driving down the highway in my car and a limo was changing lanes fast and sideswiped me a bit. I did not careen off the road, but instead kinda swerved and nailed the rear quarter of the limo. I caught back up to get the plate and saw it was a diplomatic one. A state trooper saw the entire thing and pulled us over. The driver comes out, whips some kind of ID and the cop says that he is free to go. I asked what about myself and the damages to my car. We got the brushed off feeling of being so much lower a life form than the folks in the limo.
We did take some photos of the guy and the car and said we plan to take this to court based on irresponsible behavior. I will not pretend to know the rights and such of diplomats... but the end result was the folks saying they would handle it and asked for the number of my insurance company. My beater 1986 Nissan Sentra was taken to a garage and had a whopping 3k repairs done. The car was probably worth 500 tops and when I came to pick it up... I learned that some Government agency footed the bill via credit card.
Its nice to have power and I wonder if Congressmen get the same kinda perks when out on the town driving or whatever. - Chuckanut, on 02/17/2009, -2/+27You're kidding. Right?
Man, Digg is getting freakin' SCARY. Since the election and the economic evaporation, I'm seeing more and more of this subterranean misogyny. It's a disturbing trend.
And, if good guys don't want to get rejected anymore, they're not good guys anymore. Sexual assault is never justified or defensible. - ahawks, on 02/17/2009, -5/+28"not yet prepared to answer" ?
So they need more time to put together a cover story and/or dispose of evidence? - Haoie, on 02/17/2009, -1/+23In fact, it's more much much more likely for a female soldier to be raped by another soldier than be killed or even injured in action.
What a world. - infinitus64, on 02/17/2009, -1/+21/sarcasm
for those who need it. - URnotheonly1, on 02/17/2009, -12/+32Happens at colleges everywhere
- TKaine, on 02/17/2009, -2/+22Generalizations don't disgrace the army. Abuse of power and misconduct by soldiers disgrace the army.
- freezerburn666, on 02/17/2009, -0/+18well you'd think if it was going on every day they would have something to feel demoralized about then huh...
- kingmanic, on 02/17/2009, -2/+20Reading the article the first thing I thought was some soldiers were giving a ruffie-colada. Impairing drugs like those used as rape drugs often cause complications like that and it can kill people. It looks like some soldiers over drugged some girls. It may be more voluntary illicit drug use vs being drug raped but we don't know enough to say either way. The lack of physical trauma isn't uncommon in victims of rape-drugs. An Ex of mine was on the receiving end of a rape drug before she met me and ended up in the hospital for a week. Her Boyfriend at the time managed to save her before the creep had done anything but she was very sick.
- emland, on 02/17/2009, -0/+18In most cases only the driver's ID is checked at the gate. If she/they were passengers they wouldn't have asked and if challenged, the soldier could simply say they were guests of his.
- BabyWookie, on 02/17/2009, -1/+18Isn't she a bit too old for you, Pedobear?
- Cuchanu, on 02/17/2009, -1/+18It appears it was drugs not murder. Well, I guess if they gave them too much date rape drug that would be murder.
- AmericanGunner, on 02/17/2009, -5/+22wtf? How do you get away with this at a barracks?
- soadsam, on 02/17/2009, -3/+19Hmmmm that's odd, my cousin never mentions mindlessly killing 16 year old americans when he gets home from base. I should probably ask him about it next time.
- RennyB, on 02/17/2009, -1/+17I think a lot a people here have a out of date view of what an modern Army "barracks" is. Forget the lines of bunks and foot lockers you've seen in the movies. Today's barracks have far more in common with a college dorm. Actually the college dorm comparison is pretty accurate on several levels. Because of the young age of their occupants the same kind of stupid and occasionally tragic events happen at both.
- Dested, on 02/17/2009, -1/+17Pedobear loves, not kills.
- dexx4d, on 02/17/2009, -5/+21But, you know, if they wanted to cover up anything maybe the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner would be more likely to help than a civilian medical examiner. Nope, no physical trauma here..
- pintomp3, on 02/17/2009, -0/+15Lonely troll is bitter.
- Van3ck, on 02/17/2009, -2/+16Does "GHB" mean anything to anyone?
- OMGscience, on 02/17/2009, -0/+14Yes but keep voting for them to stay in power ok America!
- twiztidsinz, on 02/17/2009, -6/+19ENGLISH, *****.
DO YOU SPEAK IT? - JJ2K1, on 02/17/2009, -0/+13You must have been stationed at Ft. Lee
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