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15-year-old Girl Starts Caucasian Club at her High School

washtimes.com — A 15-year-old girl's effort to start a Caucasian Club at her California high school has won her some support — and an avalanche of anger.

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  • roastedbagel, on 10/12/2007, -57/+686God I hope they approve of it. It's about time Caucasian people can be proud of their heritage, just as the African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc. all are able to without anyone raising an eyebrow.
    • beelz, on 10/12/2007, -96/+250*raises eyebrow*
    • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -168/+28*raises both*

    • gronne, on 10/12/2007, -51/+248I agree. Throughout history white people in power have done a lot of cruel and stupid things to minorities in this country. However, we have made significant progressive changes since then and deserve to get cut some slack now. Besides, if we are so terrible, minorities wouldn't be jumping so many fences to get here!

      I think we can form our own club now.
    • ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -208/+34Sieg Heil!






      [/tongue in cheek]
    • mrwiggl3s, on 10/12/2007, -96/+210White people are becoming a minority

      I'm tried of telling people i'm not a ***** Mexican on my job applications
    • ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -268/+50People who create minority empowerment groups (blacks, Latinos, Asians) do it for fellowship purposes, and to empower each other to be better members of a multi-ethnic society.

      People who create majority empowerment groups (whites) do it to stick it to the minorities and to come up with ways to maintain their majority status.
    • jwyles, on 10/12/2007, -11/+106I bet she never knew she would make it in The Washington Times (or Digg.com) when she did this either. You know reverse-racism and over-sensitivity is in full effect when topics like this are dugg up. Where is the controversy?
    • waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -49/+176Caucasian heritage? Like the Irish and Ukrainians have a lot in common. And how about the Slavs? Do they count as Caucasian too? How about Australians and Afrikaners?

      To lump all Caucasians into one category is a disservice because there is no one unified Caucasian heritage.
    • CanceledCzech, on 10/12/2007, -8/+193At first I though, "uh-oh, Nazis!" But after reading the article and seeing that there are other ethnic clubs, I had to ask myself what the problem was. If they are coming together and discussing how superior the white race is to the other races, then you obviously have a problem. But if they are just getting together to explore their heritage, then why the hell not? I hate to sound like an obstinate jerk here, but if you think that it's racist to want to start a club where you and your white friends can explore each other's heritage, then you're just overreacting, especially when there is already other ethnic clubs.
    • Quactaur, on 10/12/2007, -27/+69European History and Caucasians are different. Despite what the prevalent thoughts are, Caucasians make up a lot of people, including Arabs, West Indians, literally all of Western Russia, and The EU. I also fully agree that by calling it the Caucasian club, it leaves it prone to fall to white supremacy. The same reason why we don't use swastikas or the imperial salute (both inherently good symbols) is that they can quickly become associated with hatred. The same goes for the Caucasian club. It's a good idea, and it really is hypocritical for there to be black/latino/asian clubs, but it needs a different name.
    • fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -11/+70Since when have white people not been able to be proud of their heritage?

      I'm white, my family came over from England to farm after the Civil War. I've always been proud of my heritage... but I've never considered it white heritage, because there's so many white people who don't share any aspect of my heritage. This is unlike the average black Americans who mostly all have the same struggle in their family history.
    • yaphi, on 02/20/2008, -63/+28jwyles, there is no such thing as "reverse-racism". It's either racist, or not racist. And I'll mark this as "Who cares".
    • praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -22/+116Pride in something so arbitrary as what you were born as is stupid. Take pride in what you accomplish, not the fact you happened to be born a certain way.
    • rubikon, on 10/12/2007, -27/+62ilyag

      "People who create majority empowerment groups (whites) do it to stick it to the minorities and to come up with ways to maintain their majority status."

      um..
      what exactly is "majority status" and what does it get me?
      thank you for assuming that everyone is as stupid, insecure and truly racist as you are.
      you, ilyag, are an f-ing a-hole.
    • ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45Fat Mike said it best.

      "Take responsibility for what I've done, but not for who I am."

    • dmoney22, on 10/12/2007, -34/+11Caucasian invasion!
    • Loath, on 10/12/2007, -17/+292Here's my opinion:

      Latino club - racist
      Asian club - racist
      Black club - racist
      Caucasian club - racist

      It seems inherently racist to limit membership in any club to a certain race. Shouldn't that be blindingly obvious? Can't people understand that requiring people to be, or not be, a certain race is racism, no matter who does it?
    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42@waynechng:

      Well, there are plenty of Latino and "African-American" groups as well, not that those groupings are any less specific. Peru is way different than Nicaragua, and Egypt is a heck of a lot different than South Africa. If you say that there can't be a Caucasian group, then I will presume you're going to get rid of Latino and African-American groups as well.

      "Caucasian" isn't a good word either though...nowadays, it pretty much means "white people", but it specifically describes the area around the Caucasus mountains, including part of Russia, Georgia, Turkey, et al.
    • jasnmb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+64If the name is changed to European-American Club, then the Black Student Union should change their name to African-American Club too.
    • optigon, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8CancelledCzech: "At first I thought, 'uh-oh, Nazis!' "

      That's a thought I hope I never have to have!
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -5/+76"I agree. Throughout history white people in power have done a lot of cruel and stupid things to minorities in this country."

      It is not just white people - it is people in general. Name an ethnic group that has not done cruel and stupid things to another group.
    • CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31oh man what i would do for a white club in miami. its soooo hard to meet people here who you can relate to. nearly everyone is latin. like 89% of miami is latin. most people dont want to stay and fight against the racist we get here for being white but this place is beautiful. it would be a shame to have to move north with everyone else.
    • oriondr, on 10/12/2007, -36/+7Yes, it's great to be able to find other caucasians, it's so hard sometimes, you know, with the caucasians being such a small minority in this country...

      Seriously, white people don't even have a real heritage to celebrate. Now, a Norwegian heritage club, or an Irish heritage club, I could understand that.
    • ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -33/+11rubikon:

      Did you just call me racist for pointing out that white supremacist groups are racist? Are you ***** kidding me!?
    • mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -3/+84By the way, the article is 3 years old. So I decided to check their school website, and the club was not formed

      http://www.libertyuhsd.k12.ca.us/Freedom/FHS_Clubs/index.html

      They do have a German Club tough....
    • CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@ ScornForSega

      NOFX played down here in miami at the warped tour this summer. warped tour is like the largest gathering of caucasians i think ive ever seen in miami before. when they played dont call me white it felt like an anthem of what we have to deal with here. it was really heart-felt. when i went to the warped tour in los angeles and saw them last time it didnt nearly have the same effect on me as it did here.

      on the otherhand, anti-flag's ***** police brutality didnt make any sense at all because the police dont do ***** here unlike the crazy gestapo ***** in los angeles.
    • dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -22/+7I know this is sounding a little trite, but let's face it: There's already a "Caucasian Club." A HUGE one, here in America, at least.

      Look, I'm all for people being proud of their accomplishments, or being proud of their heritage (Irish, Austrian, etc.), but what's the point of being proud of the color of their skin? It's just skin color. People always preach that skin color doesn't mean anything. Then why would we need a "Caucasian Club?" Blacks don't start "Black Clubs." They start African American Associations and the like, because they're supporting their heritage and their origins.

      I feel like I'm going to get dugg down, because Digg is predominently run by caucasian males (I'm one too), and this story lights a lot of fires, but I'm only asking you to consider what exactly this girl is trying to celebrate, or be proud of?
    • shadgenki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22waynechng: "To lump all Caucasians into one category is a disservice because there is no one unified Caucasian heritage."

      RTFA. Specifically, the student wanted to celebrate European heritage. Also, using your logic, you could say the same for Asians, Latinos, Blacks, etc. They're all from different places, just like Whites.

      I really couldn't care less about this though. Let everyone have whatever club they want to celebrate whatever heritage or culture you want. Personall, I think one step further would be to get these cultural clubs together in order to exchange information about their heritage. I personally find foreign culture extremely interesting, and these kids deserve to broaden their horizons and practice their free speech just like any others.
    • w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14A lot of people on here are claiming that calling it the Caucasian club is silly because there are so many different 'white' people from different parts of the world. If you are going to eliminate a club based on that, then surely you will get rid of the 'Black Heritage' or "African-American' group because there are a ton of different ethnicities and cultures in Africa, including white ones. Not to mention recent immigrants from Africa. Then there are the 'Latin' clubs that have members that share nothing but a native/Spanish decent and a language.
      By this logic there should be a different club for every country/culture. With the size of schools these clubs would have 1-2 members for the most part.
      There shouldn't be any of these clubs at school because kids should be celebrating their heritage at home with their families and communities, not at school where they are isolated from one another enough as it is.
    • justoman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14@mrwiggl3s

      Becoming? I guess thats the reason why I can't get any funding for school? Because the once minorities that are becoming now majorities are still considered minorities and get all the money.

      That was a tongue twister.

      More power to this young girl

      "Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he fears the club could morph into a white-supremacy group after Lisa graduates. "

      I dont even know what to say to this comment. Just wow. I wonder what kind of people he actually presides over. This comment is definately racist.
    • tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3These types of groups already exist. They are just broken up by nationality. For instance, there are plenty of German, Irish, Scottish, etc. groups people can join.
    • airiox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Love these exclusive clubs, wether be white, african american, asian, or hispanic. I just love retarded people that create these ethnically exclusive clubs, it just makes us all one happy family. All these clubs should be abolished if we are trying to all get along. Theres nothing more worse then being sheltered and being only around like minded individuals.
    • DaveV, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21@ilyag

      Your statement is racist. Let me show you how:

      "People who create Black, Latino, and/or Asians empowerment groups (minorities) do it for fellowship purposes, and to empower each other to be better members of a multi-ethnic society.

      People who create White(aka Caucasian) empowerment groups (the majority) do it to stick it to the minorities and to come up with ways to maintain their majority status."

      You are saying that the only reason caucasians form empowerment groups (which this article isn't about) is to oppress others and that everyone else does it to foster fellowship.

      In short, caucasian groups are always evil and the other groups are not.
    • Shadowtechnique, on 10/12/2007, -23/+7Uhm... guys... we already did form our own special club. It's called the KKK.
    • peter78, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Your average american education is one big celebration of caucasian heritage. You'll spend all your pre-college years learning about european history (the greeks, roman empire, ww1/ww2) and american history (founding of country, civil war, modern history). In school, we celebrate thanksgiving, veteran's day and say the national anthem on a daily basis. I'm not sure how much more you could celebrate "caucasian" heritage.

      With that said, my school also had a German Club, French Club, etc.

      Btw none of these clubs ever excluded anybody who wasn't of that race/culture/ethnicity.
    • vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Somebody think of the children!
    • benenglish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26ilyag said to rubikon:

      "Did you just call me racist for pointing out that white supremacist groups are racist? Are you ***** kidding me!?"

      Uh, no. I think he called you racist for assuming (as your original post only suggested but your followup post makes clear) that you believe any white group will be supremacist/racist/a tool for suppressing minorities.

      And, yeah, that is a racist attitude. Your original post clearly says "when these groups do this thing, that's good; but when *this* group does *exactly the same thing*, that's bad." You're making a definitive judgement in the absence of any data except the race of the participants.

      No, I take it back. That's not *just* a racist attitude.

      That's pretty much the definition of racism. It's really sad that you don't see that.
    • macfanboi, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Horay for the Caucasian heritage! Oh wait, what heritage is that?
    • eSecuris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@mastercheif

      its times like this i wish i could digg more then once, your comment should be at the top of the list. Its funny how we all failed to see the date of the article. A++ on seeing that and then following up by checking the school's website.
    • labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Geee... and all those years of doing the SCA I throught was just that -- taking pride in my heritage. (That and getting drunk in the forest)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Creative_Anachronism
    • Lixie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Silly rabbit. Don't you know only white people can be racist.
    • kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Where exactly is CAUCASIA anyways?
    • VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@Loath:

      "It seems inherently racist to limit membership in any club to a certain race. Shouldn't that be blindingly obvious? Can't people understand that requiring people to be, or not be, a certain race is racism, no matter who does it?"

      No one said you have to BE a certain race to be in a certain club. Where does it say that a white kid can't join the African-American Club at his school, if he wants to learn more about black heritage?
    • ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"Where exactly is CAUCASIA anyways?"

      The Caucasus or Caucasia is a region in Eurasia bordered on the south by Turkey and Iran in Asia, on the west by the Black Sea, on the east by the Caspian Sea, and on the north by Russia. Caucasia includes the Caucasus Mountains and surrounding lowlands.
    • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3When a particular group's presence in society is under represented and in the dark then it takes a brighter light to for that groups presence to be seen, but whites already have an 80 watt bulb shining on them 100% of the time, so any extra steps to make them stand out are unnecessary.
    • dylanrush, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@waynechng:

      That's like saying there's no such thing as Latino heritage because some Latinos are from El Salvador and others are from Mexico, or that there's no such thing as Asian heritage because some are from Japan and others are from China.

      The fact is, there is a double standard when distinguishing one race from another. Reverse rascists (mostly leftists) have tried to subvert majority power by dividing us into Irish, Czechs, English, what have you, and uniting all of the minorities into a small number of general races (or maybe it is our own damn fault for being so picky.)

      Just as most black people look the same to me (I don't see why this offends people,) it is natural for most white people to look the same to a black person.

      We are all about equally as diverse as one another.
    • EricAnderton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@labmouse42: "That and getting drunk in the forest"

      In the SCA, that *is* the "taking pride in my heritage" part!

      (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsic)
    • deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2McClelland is an Irish name not Caucasian. She should learn her heritage before starting a club trying to "celebrate" it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_peoples
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Like the Irish and Ukrainians have a lot in common"

      They both drink a lot and eat potatoes?
    • WDot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3jasnb: African-American club is racist against the black people in Jamaica who never set foot in Africa, let alone were born there. =P Why aren't they Jamaican-Americans?

      Honestly, I believe that the term "African-American" was just a euphemism for the n-word that racists made up to try to hide the fact that they were, indeed, racist.

      There are now two forms of racists: Blatant racists who are open about their racism and use offensive language, and Political Correctness advocates who hide their secret feeling of superiority over other races.

      Do you think all the black people who call each other "Chocolate" and "*****" really care if anybody calls them black?
    • staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"If you are going to eliminate a club based on that, then surely you will get rid of the 'Black Heritage' or "African-American' group because there are a ton of different ethnicities and cultures in Africa, including white ones. Not to mention recent immigrants from Africa."

      I think this is at the heart of the matter. To start a european heritage club really should offend anyone. But when someone starts a caucasian club the first thing that springs to mind is a club that tries to research white american advances in history. here is the sticking point for most. African-american groups and black heritage groups were formed because black "american" achievments where either hidden or just not spoken about. Everyday in american schools we are exposed to all of the advancements that are mainly made by white americans but the amazing amount of contributions that were made by the black culture in america was downplayed and still is. This was brought up in a casual conversation I overheard in a bookstore. One person was complaining about the list of achievments that was in a history book on the shelf then proceeded to list quite a few off the top of her head. The other person plainly informed her that blacks were adequatley recognized..... that's what black history month was for. If that doesn't paint the issue clearly for you, I do not know what else will.
    • maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5hurray for reverse racism!
    • djrtitan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think the girl has the right intention in mind, I would just change the name to European-American or something along those lines so it doesn't become a skin-color issue. Seriously though, everyone with African heritage isn't black and everyone with European heritage isn't white. Just goes to show how people don't understand the difference between race and ethnicity.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@Shadowtechnique
      "Uhm... guys... we already did form our own special club. It's called the KKK."

      Do we need to bring up the dark history of the Democrat party?

      Fun Fact: the only ex-KKK member in congress is Democrat Robert Byrd.
    • dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@ilyag

      Congratulations! I think that comment about the Caucasus mountains is the first one I've ever seen you make that didn't get buried in 10 nanoseconds.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@waynechng
      "To lump all Caucasians into one category is a disservice because there is no one unified Caucasian heritage."

      Tell that to the people of Caucasia.


    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@deanlowe
      "McClelland is an Irish name not Caucasian. She should learn her heritage before starting a club trying to "celebrate" it."

      Get a clue and try again. Irish people are Caucasian - I know, I am Irish (and Scotch). Did you even read your own link? Caucasian has more than one meaning - one of the meanings is the people of Caucasia (that is not the only meaning or even the primary meaning)

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Caucasian


    • reeder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1A whole lot of people have said nothing at all in this thread, and so I just did as well. More to the point really, I wonder why it is you people invest so much emotion concerning what is quite possibly the lowest of subjects.
    • Shadowtechnique, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@LastVisibleDog:

      Silly me, I forgot that there has never been a single Republican ever involved with the KKK since it's foundation. Oops!

      (you're a ***** moron.)
    • realnebby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think its a great idea she's not trying to limit membership, just learn more about European culture.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Shadowtechnique
      "Silly me, I forgot that there has never been a single Republican ever involved with the KKK since it's foundation. Oops!"

      Is that what said - No (nitwit)

      Clearly you do not understand the history of the KKK (it was formed by Democrats)

      "(you're a ***** moron.)"

      I love it when nitwits flaunt their ignorance.
    • omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What is Caucasian heritage, though? The Caucasus mountains in Russia? No, it's European. German, Irish, English, etc. Most Americans are of mixed race. European "heritage" is taught in schools as Western Civilization and European History. World History classes are generally taught from a Western perspective. I understand why a person in high school might be searching for racial identity when there are so many other heritage groups, but there is no such thing as "white identity" outside the minds of supremacists and racists. I have an idea – let's start an American heritage group that celebrates all our contributions to society regardless of race.
    • hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But the question no one appears to be asking is whether or not "heritage" clubs are good/worthwhile to begin with. It's hard enough to get people together for more academic clubs as it is. Just how many people are there in this high school?
    • Spastastic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3"by Loath 2 hours ago Block/Report this User"

      ***** NOT TRUE AT ALL! I'M SICK OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT. Read this carefully. Ethnic groups on most campuses do not restrict the color of people who join. There was a girl in one of my classes who was in the african american whatever whatever club at my school was white. The point of clubs is to promote awareness of their heritage to anyone who interested. You can join, however, how many white kids except for a few are saying "OH MAN I GOTTA JOIN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CLUB. IT WOULD BE SUPER!" If anything, they have a sort of cynical attitude towards the whole thing from what I noticed.
    • MusicalGenius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2HAHA, right. they don't do they. In high school 4 years ago I wanted to join mesa. then found out the only people who couldn't were white males. you couldn't begin to be wrong.

      There is nothing wrong with a Caucasian group.
    • ericksoncn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does anyone else think its time for Digg to put a limit on reply comments? I had to wade through 65 replies just to get to the SECOND COMMENT!!! Lets be honest. The only reason anyone replies to the first comment is so they will get their comment dugg. This is a little ridiculous.

      ...and yes I am a hypocrite for replying to the first comment.
    • jonnyboy88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure they wouldn't limit membership to just caucasians, since the group is for learning more about European-American heritage. There are many heritage clubs at my school, Latino, Muslim, Jewish and I know a lot of people who are in them even though they not Latino, Muslim or Jewish.
    • spankaccount, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We had something similar at Yale called MEChA, a Hispanic only club. And I know Asian only frats are common on California campuses.
    • IWriteCode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The problem with the folks who say there are already German, Irish, etc clubs out there for white folks is how many Caucasians in the US are specifically one nationality. Personally, I'm Polish, Welsh, and German, which club do I join? I'm sure most Americans are of different nationalities so that argument doesn't work.
    • Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@CanceledCzech: "I hate to sound like an obstinate jerk here, but if you think that it's racist to want to start a club where you and your white friends can explore each other's heritage,"

      Yes That totally fine with me if they want to do that , but I'll tell you one thing, society thinks they are all progressive but that goes right out the window when you want to start a school based club where you and your white friends can explore each other's -- USER BANNED BY MGT. --
    • boiboi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's about time, but the only way for this not become a white supremacy club for some members who will join for different reasons is to have a monthly program with other clubs in the school.
  • firstdueco41, on 10/12/2007, -8/+104Bravo! The only reason racism exists is because we perpetuate it. There's a difference between racism and pride. So many people are emotionally fueled by "racially charged" subjects that the line often gets blurred. Kudos to her for wanting to show pride in her heritage, and doing it for the right reason; not for the reasons everyone else wishes to inject into her cause.
    • underdog138, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21The perpetuation of racism should slowly recede with each new generation after us. Keep in mind that for most of us here, our parents and grandparents experienced first hand the abominable notion that people should be judged by their ethnicity and skin color, which at the time, was common place and widely accepted. Values such as these are passed down through generations not unlike religious beliefs do in the minds of growing children. That's why racism against blacks didn't abruptly cease in 1964 with the Civil Rights Act. However, as society progresses and adapts to changes in law and changes in the idea of how we as human beings should treat one another, racism will eventually wane, albeit slowly. It's evident even now, as our current generation of people aged 18-25 are much less tolerant to the unethical way in which older generations not-so-far-removed from us used to think and believe.

      That being said, in reference to the article I believe what she's doing is a very good thing. Organizations like this exist in schools mostly because the homogeneous nature of our country often makes us lose sight of our ethnic backgrounds and ancestry. There should definitely be more organizations that take pride in the culture of people all over Europe, and anyone that's been to countries over there and seen the sights, landmarks and people that Anglo people came from. They don't exist in common place because of the backward idea that white people taking pride in their ancestry is somehow racist, and for the most part, this is not so.

      I'm white, and my best friend is Viet, and asked me to join VSA (Vietnamese Student Association) at the college we used to go to, so I did, and I loved it. I was very interested in Asian culture, and I should have a right to be just as interested in the culture I descended from as well without feeling racist or ashamed for doing so.

      And this girl has just the right idea.
    • foundationiv, on 10/12/2007, -27/+3Caucasians already have a club, it's called America. And in some places it's called The United States of America - or "U.S." for short.

      Their membership gives them special privileges
      They make up their own rules that leave out other races/cultures.
      They "dip" into other clubs secretly without telling anyone (including other members).
      They have secret handshakes and stuff too...
    • DaveV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@underdog138:

      As long as there is Affirmative Action, people falsely claim they are being oppressed because of their race or color, people who commit crimes against other because of their race or color, there will be racism.

      As long as there is a double standard for conduct based on the color of ones skin, there will be racism.

      And, the saddest part is, a lot of the institutions that judge on race came about because of the work of MLK Jr., who wanted all people to be judged on the content of their character and not their race.
    • oxyrubber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@foundationiv
      WTF are you talking about? You said "caucasians" then listed things that happen to some upper-class white men in/around college.

      "America" is not a country club. Not all caucasians are welcome in the types of clubs you are describing. You are blurring racism and classism. And the very same reason you seem to envy those types of clubs is the same reason those clubs have appeal - people outside the club seems to want in... making membership exclusive and of high demand. Ignore those clubs, be who you are.

      BTW - I am a white middle-class male. I'm not apart of any organization you described and I don't want to be. I am the counterexample to disprove your theory.
    • bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@DaveV

      Not everyone lives on the west coast, theres lots of racism in the south still, lots. I'm sure that there are lots of people here on digg that could attest to this. Racism isn't everywhere anymore but it still exists you just might not it.

      @OP

      I agree with what you're saying here. I know that when I have kids I'm not going to racially influence them. My parents and my whole family for that matter were/are still a bit racist. It's not really that they hate minorities but they will crack racial jokes and make racist comments. Why? Well thats how they were brought up, at least my dad.
    • carbonetc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Racism will exist for exactly as long as we hold the belief that race means anything.

      If someone somehow got the masses to believe that eye color was meaningful, I guarantee we'd see our first eye color hate crime within 10 years.
  • hugehead83, on 10/12/2007, -19/+89The NAACP guy suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race. NAACP!! HELLOOO??
    Best of luck to that girl!
    Since whites are now a minority in TX, we could legally start White Entertainment Television, or WET! :D
    • TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -38/+14There already is WET, except it's spelled ABC or alternatively, NBC.
    • silentex, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27You're joking right? Whites are hardly a minority in Texas. In fact, from the US Census site, whites hold 83% (49% no Latino) of the population in Texas.

      http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html
    • Antaeus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1OOOOH SHIIII-
    • oakj423, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18i hope the WET channel has a lot of white tshirts
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+62The NAACP told my roomate in college (he's Indian) that they couldn't offer him a scholarship because he's not dark enough.

      Advancing "colored-people" indeed.
    • satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Look again. Whites, not of Hispanic origin - 49.8%. It is not a minority unless you count up all the other groups as non-caucasian. (nice quick edit for silentex)
    • wuxia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think Perot (where the hell is he now?) said it best.. "The national association of YOU people" hahaha
    • evilmercer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Texas is a minority majority state
      http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/005514.html
    • mabhatter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5too bad they only advance one "color"...
    • gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Don't forget.. when the original leader of the NAACP left, they turned into the Black Panthers. Oh.. wait.
    • barneytoe, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6you already have that channel, it's called CMT.
    • pancakebatter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think it is interesting to look at the origin of the word Caucasian. Most people have no idea why it is what it is, but it was introduced as an inherently supremacist word. Maybe that has changed over time, but do a little research.

      Blumenbach identified Georgia (country, not the state) as the home of the most beautiful people. He deduced that the garden of Eden must have been there, since these people were the closest to perfection. They then devolved into the other races over time (literally mongoloid and negroid... - http://thismodernworld.com/2207

      It is a sticky issue. My ancestors are mostly from western Europe. I guess I am Caucasian, but it has been at least thousands of years since any significant portion of my family lived in Georgia. But it is such a nice word, especially with the added baggage proving I am closer to perfection and god than other races.
    • shadgenki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From TFA: "Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he fears the club could morph into a white-supremacy group after Lisa graduates. "

      Uhm, isn't this one of the very reasons that white people were scared would happen when minorities wanted an end to segregation? But that went through...eventually. If the NAACP encourages racial pride for minorities, then why not whites? I mean, if this was in the dirty south, I'd be concerned, but we're talking about a California high school.
    • bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2We already have WET, it's called network television sitcoms and reality TV, noob!
    • jpeckinp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah and they better hurry up and change the name of the "United Negro College Fund".
      I always wanted to start the United Caucasian College Fund if I became a billionaire like Bill Gates.
  • Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42Why should it be named the European-American club? The other clubs don't have to throw in the "-American" at the end. I'm surprised this isn't brought up more often, and I'm surprised people are even fighting this. It's hypocritical at best.
    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -8/+58It's been 3 generations in my family since we came over on the boat. I'm no more European-American than most black Americans are African-American. This BS political correctness has everyone scared that someone might be offended or whatever.

      Sometimes it takes a socially unacceptable act for people to wake up and start thinking for themselves. Maybe this'll help.
    • TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29Agreed, it should just be "American", pure and simple. If you were born here, you're an American.
    • wuxia, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2African-American
      European-American
      Puerto Rican-American?
    • andydumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I agree. He suggested to change the name away from white, but what about the Black Student Union at the school?
    • wildgift, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1Well, armbar, my ancestors probably came over before yours, but some people think I'm a foreigner because of my appearance and ethnicity. You've assimilated, because you're white, because the system is set up to allow whites in, but keep nonwhites out or in an inferior position.

      This girl's little club is just a sarcastic attempt to remind the non-white people that even when white people are a minority in an area, it's Europe that runs the game, and that the screw-over that Europe gave to Africa will be replicated over and over, internationally, and within each country in the European empire.

      Get over that rhetoric of equality. Look at reality. Racism is still in effect.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Puerto Rican-American?"

      That is redundant.

      Puerto Rico is part of the United States (or America in this context) - it is a territory with a non-voting Resident Commissioner in congress
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@wildgift
      "Well, armbar, my ancestors probably came over before yours, but some people think I'm a foreigner because of my appearance and ethnicity. You've assimilated, because you're white, because the system is set up to allow whites in, but keep nonwhites out or in an inferior position."

      BS. The only thing stopping you from assimilating and being successful is you. The Vietnamese that came over here in the 1970's proved that - they just worked hard instead of complaining. If you are black, you can get into colleges easier than whites (unless you are an extremely rich white person like the Kennedy's or Pelosi)

      My family came here in 1748 from Ireland - the Irish had it much worse than blacks do today. Slavey was horrible but whites did not invent it - black slaves are still held in Africa (by other blacks) and the largest black slave owner in history was a black man - Shaka Zulu (not to be confused with Chaka Khan).

      It is not about race - all groups of people screw with other groups of people and there is no country in the world today that was not taken from some other people. It's the human condition - not a racial matter.

    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7wildgift, you don't even know me, yet you're comparing me to Hitler?

      The system is set up to help whites in? Are you kidding me? Do you realize the proportion of government grants for school, for jobs, for life, that there are when comparing whites to non-whites?

      Affirmative action basically requires companies such as the one I work for to offer a job to someone who has lower qualifications than me, simply because of race or gender. Is that helping the white man in? It was extremely hard to get loans/grants for college, since a whole bunch of the free ones are meant for the "colored people".

      The only reason my family and I have assimilated is because we've changed class based on wealth. It's extremely easy for non-whites to get an education and do the same thing as my family did, in the United States.

      By the way, Africans were screwing over Africa with civil and inter-tribal war long before Europeans began "running the game".

      I don't give people special treatment based on their race--I judge them on their character, how they speak, how they dress, and how intelligent they are. So, don't compare me with Hitler.
    • RickySan65, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You're one or the other, either European or American, European-American just sounds stupid
    • benenglish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@LastVisibleDog

      "My family came here in 1748 from Ireland - the Irish had it much worse than blacks do today"

      I've always found it interesting to point out to people that relative social standing is so very fluid, much more than people realize. The Irish/Black situation back in those days illustrates what I mean. Most people today think (reasonably, I might add) that Blacks obviously had it worse. After all, they were the enslaved ones. Ultimately, I think that viewpoint is wholly correct, but that doesn't mean there aren't other, interesting perspectives.

      People at the time, for example, didn't feel that way. The Irish were horrifically abused in many ways and places. Perhaps the single most illustrative example was where black slaves and Irishmen worked side-by-side loading cotton on boats in the south. Generally, the dock was high and the boat low, with a ramp in between. 300 pound bales of cotton were pushed onto the ramp by black slaves. The bales slid down to the ship where Irishmen "caught" them, as best they could. Being at the bottom of the ramp was incredibly dangerous and serious injuries were common; deaths were not rare.

      Black slaves were not allowed to work at the bottom of the ramp. Why? Because slaves had to be taken care of. They cost lots of money to buy and required time and effort to train. Irishmen, on the other hand, could be injured or killed at will. No one cared about them since as soon as one got hurt, there were 10 more waiting to take their place for near-inconsequential (I nearly said "slave") wages. Slaves were important; Irishmen were expendable.

      These questions are always more complex than they seem at first blush.
  • bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -13/+61i thought most white women were already in a club

    The "Wont sleep with me even if hell froze over " club
    • xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -20/+13I'm pretty sure that club is not limited to just women.
    • carapi, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6You have major issues to work out before entering adulthood.
    • Antaeus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3lol I'd hit, wait you are a guy, never mind .
    • ToxicBomber, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1This "girl" is 15 years old..........wtf man?
    • Jooced, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I've already told you, stop sending me your news letter, I don't want to be in this damn club anymore!
    • dylanrush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1HAHAHA
  • kgilkerson, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30The sad thing is that there is a wealth of euro-american heritage that gets swept under the rug in order to avoid being called labeled as racist. There is a lot to celebrate here, and I think its high time to start.

    I've always wondered what was would happen if a white person started a Caucasian group at a high school. I thought about starting one a while ago, but I was afraid of being called a racist.
    • binder520, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5"the sad thing is that there is a wealth of euro-american heritage that gets swept under the rug"

      What type of heritage are you talking about? I got a lot of euro-american history and culture from the times I was required to to U.S. history in Jr. High and High School. Unfortunately, I was not required to take Asian or European history, so I had to go outside the classroom for that.
    • Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Except that in my high-school they had this little course called 'European History', and by 'European' they really meant 'Western European'. You see the reason minorities tend to want to have a space to express themselves is because their culture is not in the majority. Your real arrogance is the assumption that we live in some sort of culture-neutral society where there just happen to be a lot of Caucasians who never get a chance to express themselves. What you think of as 'normal' are things that fit into your cultural standards, you don't need a special space to express your cultural identity.
    • wildgift, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It's true. When people talk about Western Civilization, they mean the northwestern European culture, and it's attempt to copy Italy's attempt to co-opt the ideas of ancient Greece. The Greeks weren't really even Europeans -- that's virtually "The Orient" and North Africa over there.

      Face it, except for the Egyptians, most of the world was primitive. Unless you're Greek or Egyptian, your ancestors weren't contemplating monads and singing about the birds and bees, they were playing with their gonads and worshipping rocks and trees. They had to import ideas like monotheism, writing, scientific observation, and dental hygiene.
    • CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+390% of all my text books talked about white history, but because they weren't headlined specifically as "White History" then it somehow doesn't count?

      Any minority group would trade their amount of exposure with that of whites in a second. Nobody is sweeping white culture under the rug.

      Who complains where there's a St. Patrick's Day parade besides the Gays?
  • FullClip, on 10/12/2007, -6/+85I guess that racial tolerance means that only whites should tolerate everybody but everyone else can be as racial and intolerant as they want towards Caucasians. What a wonderful world we live in.
    • meawake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yeah, I think it is crazy too. I just fail to see the difference...

      My girlfriend is Jewish, I am Catholic. We have arguments about, dating, interfaith... She (and her family) considers that it in her/their rights to only date other Jewish people, and refusing to date non-jewish is perfectly normal, not a racist act.Then she says it is racism if I, as catholic says I refuse to date a non-catholic girl or a Jewish girl... If one way is racism, then both ways should be. She/They says it is cultural and it isn't racism for her. Anyway... we've been together for over a year and speaking of marriage... but it is still one hot topic we disagree on.

      Another thing that come in mind, at my company, a really big big firm in New York, there are clubs left and right, Asian, Black, Women, Latinos, Gays, Lesbians, Transgenders, Indians, Photography buffs, Mac boys, etc... They say it is to help them to succeed. So I asked, why not a "Caucasian club" ? I was told "ssshhh... not politically correct, we are supposed to be good enough to succeed on our own"....
    • Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1The difference is in the ability to oppress. It's pretty simple really. Minorities can never really assert the same authority over the majority. By definition minorities cannot possiblity descrimate against the majority in the same way the majority can to the minority. Do blacks have the ability to set up a culture in american were 1/5 of all white men end up in prison on petty drug charges? When they do you'll have a point.
  • captainmicahp, on 10/12/2007, -29/+6The article quoted the man from the NAACP saying "she started the club for the right reasons" but never said what those reasons are.
    • Wenz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28From TFA

      "....to start a club at Freedom High School in Oakley, Calif., that would focus attention on European heritage and history. "
  • dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10A private club should be allowed to deny anyone they want into their club. It maybe racist or wrong in some people's eyes but that's the right of the group of people. As long as their doing anything illegal or commiting Hate crimes.
    • carapi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Not a private club that uses smoe kind of government help, like funds, or even being allowed to meet on school grounds. Most of these clubs do NOT exclude other races, including ones for black pride. Their content is such that other races don't want to join though.
    • digismack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Heh. Pretty bad sentence to forget the word "not" in.
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Two problems here - first, this is a school club, not a private social club full of adults.

      Second, if it were a private social club full of adults, they're still not allowed to discriminate. The way they get around that (the ones that do get around it) is that new members have to be sponsored by some number of existing members, and visit the club as guests of their sponsors some number of times. So you have a white social club - the unwritten rule is you don't sponsor non-whites for membership. And if you do, you have to bring them around the club so that they can be declined for "not fitting in," and you get kicked out as well.
    • dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Nougat
      Actully, A private club, and I'll use the Boy Scouts as an example are allowed to only accept non-homosexuals. (to be fair the boy scouts get federal funding make them technical NOT a private club, but they get away with it anyway).
  • xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -24/+8People don't get the point.

    The club is there to celebrate European heritage but the name brings so much charged meaning that it makes it sound like a supremacist club. Solution would be to change the name to something that reflects what the club really is but they refused to do so.
    • chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26What is supremacist about the name? It's not the White Power club.
    • countersoldat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Well, I have a sneaking suspicion that many people support the creation of the club to point out the inherent double standard of having a club that celebrates the "whiteness" of a person just as there are those that celebrate one's asian, hispanic, african, etc, etc decent.

      Having gone to highschool in Northern California near this area, I can tell you that this was often a running joke among students. My highschool was about 47% white, and while it was private, most of us were on financial aid and they made active efforts to recruit minorities and those who otherwise would not be able to attend a top tier school. Some of my white friends would joke about starting a caucasian club since the Asian-American Student Asscociation and the African Student Union were very popular, etc. We agreed that while most students would probably support such a move, the administration would play the PC-card and it wouldn't fly.
    • ToxicBomber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14There is a strong reason for NOT changing the name to something more PC, if the other clubs can be the Black Student Union, the Latinos Unidos and the ALOHA club for Asian-American students.....than why aren't they being forced to change for racist undertones? Either they change too....or her club name doesn't need to change, simple as that people.
    • DaveV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@chriskzoo:

      See, it's racist because it involves white people O_o.
  • Matic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Does this mean Blacks and Asians can't join the Caucasian club? In schools all over, there are Whites, Asians, and Latinos in Black student unions, etc. I am all for it if this is the case. If not, *raised eyebrows*
  • lockfist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22This news is almost three years old, fyi.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/12/08/MNGRD3IDDE1.DTL
  • finger11, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12"White Power!"

    mmm, chappelle show
  • mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6****looks inside the room and slowly sneaks out.....
  • maymats, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Anyone care to notice that this article is 3 years old?
  • leontes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So long as it a true multi-cultural expression: insofar as much her organization is spending time understanding the origins, the difficulties, the history and the societal complexities of the heritage, I have no problem with it. However, in this country, white is the dominant agent ethnicity. As this is the case, a gathering of a group of individuals with that selective quality can easily tap into the power and domination that easily flows from being the dominant agent in any multicultural situation. For only this reason, this type of thing is really dangerous, but I wish her luck in keeping it appropriately historically and self-revelationary ethnically centered.
    • bb8372, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0Huh? You used quite a few words to say one thing: If White people start a group to study their own heritage, they must be careful not to let their topics of discussion go beyond just that. Are other ethnic groups being held to the same standard? I know that just about any group of people organized for a cause can tend to get off track at one point or another. I don't find it necessary to place a caveat on the acceptibility of a group's activities simply because they are perceived as part of a dominant sector of the population. Why should one group of individuals be so carefully scrutinized for doing what many other ethnic groups are doing freely and without judgement?
  • NotEvenClose, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2We're white. YAYYYYYYYYY!
    • DaveV, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Is that any better or worse than
      "We're Black. YAYYYYYYYYY!"
      "We're Hispanic. YAYYYYYYYYY!"
      or
      "We're Asian. YAYYYYYYYYY!"
      ?
  • TheToecutter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Good for her. The article hits the nail on the head: "Why aren't the Latino and African-American clubs labeled as 'racist?' " Racism is such a crutch and overused and misused term/word in our BS political correct climate that it often makes me want to wretch.
  • mecole21, on 10/12/2007, -21/+3Caucasian Clubs do exist... its called the KKK...
    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, that would be a white supremacy club.
    • Xarou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Man, don't you just love overgeneralizations... I know I don't.
  • BradC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Apparently the backlash from this caused her to leave that school. Sad

    >>
    Her push to start a Caucasian Club at her predominately white school -- in predominately white Oakley, population 25,000 -- has made national headlines, causing harassment, she said, from fellow students. She hasn't been at school in nearly two weeks and doesn't plan to come back. With her parents' consent, she has decided to transfer to La Paloma, a continuation high school in nearby Brentwood.
  • dante2010, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4There's already a whites only club.. it's called the KKK.
  • MrWhistler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think her idea is great. There is so much head-up-butt thinking involved in this whole issue. There is a "Black Student Union," should they be made to change their names so they don't become little Black Panthers? There's "Latinos Unidos," shouldn't they be made to change their names so people who don't speak Spanish don't get offended? Let her call her club what she wants to call it...or better yet put it to a vote by the members. I just hate all this "white people organizing...they must be racist hate-mongers" talk. True equality and tolerance means tolerance for Caucasian groups as much as Black groups or Asian groups.
    • Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1if theres a white club
      you should make it even more diverse
      WITH AN ALBINO CLUB
  • Aliasing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Honestly it's probably because so many white supremicist groups have operated under the veil of white "Heritage" organisations for so long people just mentally associate the two. I think there are valid points on both sides of the aisle.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy#List_of_organizations
  • zymosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10We tried to do this when I was in high school. However every club required a teacher sponsor, and no teacher would sponsor our club.

    However the gay and lesbian club had a sponsor, and so did black pride club.

    What a shame.
  • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'm just waiting for all of the white people to come in and talk about all of their rights being infringed on despite the fact that the club exists and the only requested change was for it to go from Caucasian to European-American.

    Anyway, NAACP doesn't refer to black people, it refers to all people of color, including white people. That's why there are white and Asian board members if you actually went through the membership rolls. Therefore NAACP != Caucasian Club.
    • Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hope you dont really think it was like that from the start. Why would they add the color part in there if it were for everyone. Why dont they call it NAAP National Association for the Advancement of People.
    • countersoldat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, in all fairness, I bet you would have a hard time convincing people that "people of color" includes whites. Besides, as TFA article points out, there are numerous groups that have Asian, Latino, Chicano, etc in their names. The NAACP is just one example, and at my HS (and I am sure it was the case with most other HS), there was no NAACP, but rather the "African Student Union" or something along those lines.
    • chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"color"cannot include white, since white is the absence of color...

      I suppose "La Raza" means all races now....as in the human race.
    • evilearsgonemad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0What would a group of white kids talk about?
    • MattyLite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5chriskzoo: No, white is the presence of all color . . . black is the absence of all color.
    • Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2white is actully a combo of colors
      if you think about it
    • matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OK, first, black is the absense of color, white is all colors combined.

      Second, if the NAACP "colored people" includes blacks, whites etc, why even say "colored". Woulden't this include every person on Earth? Why don't they just call it the "National Association for the Advancement of People " ?
  • BdON003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I guess it got shut down then, or the NAACP guy was wrong and she's about to graduate and it hasn't turned into a supremacy group/
  • edto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The headline is a lot more deceiving then its ought to be. The clubs focus is promotional to their heritage in Europe. I took part of the asian club in highschool and I support this girls ideal as long as they were with good intention.

    The idea to name it the European-American Club is probably a wiser choice.
  • TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"[Obscene Epithets]"

    I read the entire article. The only think I want to know is, what were they?
  • tadda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Nice idea. Caucasian is a pretty broad mandate though, and in no way, shape or form limited to european descendents.

    And yes, the article is over 3 years old.
  • scoyndizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm of white European heritage and I find learning about my culture is very important to who I am and I also find it very interesting. I am mainly Italian and Russian and I where I live there aren't much who can relate to me there so I see where she is coming from, forming this club.
    I don't see it as a club that would fuel ration tensions it seems absolutely the same as the Latino clubs and the African-American clubs at schools. I can't fathom why this club would be called racist when those others would not.
  • thinlikenate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"I think she's doing this for the right reasons, but what's going to happen when she graduates? What's it going to turn into?"

    are you KIDDING? it's a HIGH SCHOOL CLUB. is he worried about the other clubs turning into something terrible? NO. what a crock of *****. i guess the only racists in the world are white, right?
  • TBoneFever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'm black, and I think a Caucasian Club would be awesome. Because personally I've always thought having black-only or asian-only clubs was a little sketchy (semi-racist), so I've never joined them. Simply because once a white person brings up having their own club, people will say "THAT'S RACIST!" Well, I think it's about time someone has the balls to start it up.

    Why stop there? Why not make a movie called "Black Chicks" ...that would be freaking hilarious if two white guys put on black makeup and weave and acted like the stereotypical black girls.
    • DaveV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Can you imagine the outrage if a white comedian put on black makeup and did a bit lampooning BET or rappers or something?

      You know, like Chappell does (did) on his show?
    • chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3LOL @ Black Chicks. I'm all for it!

    • VTmruhlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Man Show used to have Jimmy Kimmell pretend to be Carl Malone. That generated some good backlash for no reason.
    • NuWinter920, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0You sound like you don't really understand the history of the different races in this country.

      Historically it was whites who enslaved, brutalized, murdered, and discriminated against all other groups (blacks, asians, latinos, and native americans) for most of the history of this country. And there were the Jim Crow laws which put in place the policy of racial segregation where White Only signs made sure that whites were to get the best service in hospitals, theaters, stores, schools, and other places of business while non-whites had to make do with 2nd rate or no service at all.

      So when a Caucasian person wants to start a group that's based around Whites only it's cause for concern for those that had to suffer under the burden of the White Only policy. Also throughout the history of this country groups celebrating White culture and White people have typically been fronts for racist organizations such as the KKK and the Nazi's.

      And no one will do a movie like "White Chicks" where white guys run around in blackface as women because historically blackface was a racist act done by whites in the early to mid 20th Century where they would perform as black people in black makeup. It's unfortunate that you don't know any of this and consider asian, black, or latino organizations racist when they're nothing of the sort.
    • LocalH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@NuWinter920:
      ***** off, racist. Regardless of what happened in the past, to assume that a white-only club is necessarily racist while a [insert non-white ethnicity]-only club isn't, is in and of itself racist.

      I don't condone what happened in the past. However, it's long past time to move forward and quit expecting society to artificially prop you up at the expense of those who are the same race as those who committed such racial atrocities.
  • ichoudhury, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How about a "Chess Club" or "Book Club" or "Cultural Club" etc but not Black Club or White Club or Latino Club etc??? My Son is half white and half me (Bengali) ...should he form a "Half Club" ha ha. ----
    By starting a specific Race club, you are basically telling others that you are different and others who are not like you don't belong to that club. This article will not be dugg down by me cause I don't blame her for thinking something like this because she observed other racial clubs and wanted to start where she belongs. I grew up among black, white and hispanic kids and honestly never saw any of those kid's skin color, but content of their character (now who said that anyway? ;))
  • rebrane, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3This is the oldest trick in the book -- saying 'Caucasian' when you mean 'white people.' The U.S. tried to use this trick to stop the undesirables from immigrating in the 1920s, a trick which met its match with Bhagat Singh Thind, from the Caucusus mountain region.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
    • argh44z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Bhagat Singh Thind wasn't from the Caucasus mountains (which is in the former soviet union).. He was from India.

      Arabs, central Asians, and Indians are all Caucasian.
    • RickySan65, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Arabs, central Asians, and Indians are all Caucasian. "

      Really? why are they listed seperatly on every bloody govt. form i have to fill in?!?!
  • bdrydyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I understand that some might be happy that this girl is brave enough to start this club, when other such clubs centering on other ethnic groups are prevalent.

    But aren't many of the people who are cheering this girl on the same ones who claim Latin, Black, and other minority-centric clubs are unnecessarily separating Americans into arbitrary categories? I really don't see how being so excited about a Caucasian club isn't just fueling the fire.

    If you want to argue that the racial divisions in America are being worsened by these types of groups, shouldn't you be just as upset with a Caucasian club? You know, two wrongs don't make a right... right?

    I understand that I might be wrong, and the people excited about a Caucasian club might not be opposed to other ethnicity's having similar clubs, but it is the impression I get.
    • rebrane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's like those idiots who hold 'affirmative action bake sales' to protest affirmative action, and then whine and fight back when they're told what they're doing is wrong. Isn't that the point you're trying to make?
  • darktr00per, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Whites should stop feeling so damn guilty. All I hear is whites are oppressive, they owned slave, they conquer weak countries. Whites should be proud that we are part of the western culture. Western civilization has shaped the world as we know it. Sick of the guilt and the people preaching tolerance of others. This country was built on northern european culture, why should we let it be hijacked by foreigners. Take a stand against the multiculturalists before america is turned into a third world crap hole. The mass influx of immigrants from undesired countries will have a huge impact on the way we perceive the world. These people have very different philosophies about life. Our current western philosophies grant us the will for innovation and bettering the human race.
  • Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If we want to rid the world of racism we have to stop separating ourselves into "pride" groups. Focus on the fact that we are all human beings, as it turns out we are really all part of the same race.
  • eno0n, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Endorsed by former senator George Allen
  • baxtermadux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7when can white kids to stop having to pay pennance for the awful things their dumbass relatives did
  • kr3mliyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I personally am proud of the girl (as long as she focuses on culture AND NOT race). I'm an British born African who is proud of my heritage. My pride has nothing to do with hate; so why should she be an exception? It's a sad state of affairs in this sometimes overly PC (or would that be CA?) world. There will always be racists, bigots and the like; and very few of them can actually form rational arguments as to why they even hold such views. Hell; I'm sure most of them are just angry at themselves! If she is genuinely proud of her heritage and she isn't being taught about it in school (I'm in England; "high school" history was predominantly European; can't vouch for America); then props to her.

    P.S. In the spirit of keeping the peace; I would encourage someone to come up with a better name for her club. Some Europeans don't class themselves as Caucasian.
  • RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Good for her??
  • unstatusthequo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4But we're all forgetting: What does Jesse Jackson think of it? Whatta guy, that Jesse. I'm sure he ran to her aid when she fell under scrutiny for this since he's a champion of the criticized. Oh wait he didn't? pwnd.
  • nodong, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Race War!!!!!!!! It's on!!!!!!
  • JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5She never got her club, she switched schools, and except for digg- everyone forgot about it pretty quickly. Ah, news.
  • argblat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People:
    "I think she's doing this for the right reasons, but what's going to happen when she graduates? What's it going to turn into?" said Mr. Turner, who added he was speaking for himself and not the NAACP.

    Mitch Hedberg:
    I like to drink red wine. This girl says "Doesn't red wine give you a headache?" "Yeah, eventually! But the first and the middle part are amazing." I'm not gonna stop doing something 'cause of what's gonna happen at the end. "Mitch, you want an apple?" "No, eventually it'll be a core."

    All the world's a stage ... and it's one great comedy after another
  • wardrive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3All in all, this is just another stupid bitch trying to start some *****, no matter how you put it, most ethnic clubs are ***** anyways, "afro" "african amaerican" "asian" blah blah blah, they are all just done from the teenage ***** of trying to start something or trying to belong to something different. I always hated ethnic clubs in general, i'm for them starting it but the reason behind it is just as stupid as starting other ethic clubs in highshool.

    Does it really matter? Most of these clubs faze out anyways after people realize how stupid it is, there are exceptions though, kkk, skin heads, black panthers etc.
  • hoppdawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4She's only 15. Guarantee her parents have as much to do with the groups creation as her own.
    • kr3mliyn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You may have a point there. God; the tree-hugging liberal in me just wishes we could all just get along... *sigh*... I guess invaders from another galaxy will put us straight.
    • VTmruhlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When I was 15 I was more than capable of coming up with offensive ways to make light of double standards. Sure, my parents' political views influenced my own, but it's not like they were telling me to dress like Hitler for Halloween or claim to be black when taking standardized tests. I did all that on my own.
  • blankartist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh great, not another Fight Club. Oh wait, Fight Club was awesome.
  • VTmruhlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Darnell Turner, vice president of the East County National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he fears the club could morph into a white-supremacy group after Lisa graduates."

    Yeah, those crackers can't be trusted. There are a few of them who're alright to lead, but when they leave the others will just revert to their primitive savage ways. Might as well round them all up in a cage.

    Oh, what's that? White people don't inevitably turn into a bunch of snarling racist idiots without good leadership? I'm shocked.

    "He suggested that she change the name to the European-American Club so that the focus would be on heritage, not race."

    Because the National Association for the Advancement of *Colored* People has already changed its name to the National Association for the Advancement of African Americans
    • Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Darnell Turner seems to be a racist.

      "They're ALL alike, those white folk.They'll be burning crosses before we know it."
  • sashmit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I am a Caucasian. Originally of (east) Indian decent. When did it start being misapplied to only Europeans?
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