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- chriscooley, on 01/12/2009, -5/+56Thats just Texas, we do things a little different around here.
"Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty- mine's putting in an express lane." Ron White - feyded, on 01/12/2009, -25/+70Capital punishment only works in a flawless justice system. No such system exists, and therefore neither should capital punishment. How many innocents have been wrongly executed over the years?
- e2superman, on 01/12/2009, -18/+62No offense to the "tree huger lefties" but if some dick kills my wife in cold blooded pre-meditated murder.... or rapes her and kills her... etc... He can fry in the nearest electric chair.
- nwskipro, on 01/12/2009, -5/+28More needs to be done to better help ensure that innocent people are not convicted. Having said that, our justice system is failing us citizens by continually giving such light and insignificant sentences for murder.
- eldano512, on 01/12/2009, -14/+36Yeah, I live in Texas, and the death penalty is a way for the state to save money, I guess. I mean, it sucks for the guys that die, but it sucked even more for the guy/guys/woman/women/kids/pregnant women that were either raped/murdered/burned alive/shot to death/stabbed/whatever by the felon.
LOL my captcha was "nerdY" - Oracle95, on 01/12/2009, -3/+23That's a pretty racist attitude, dog. The penalty is set by the crime. If black people are committing those crimes by a disproportionate amount, they will receive that penalty by a disproportionate amount.
Criminal sentences shouldn't come with a quota. - jameskong15, on 01/12/2009, -4/+22"Killing is wrong no matter what."
Please spare us your strange take on morality. No doubt you'd be up there screaming to keep Hitler, Saddam, Osama, Mugabe, etc alive after the ***** they've pulled. Sometimes not even the death penalty can bring true justice to the monsters of this world. - inactive, on 01/12/2009, -9/+26Carry on.
- inactive, on 01/12/2009, -16/+32The only thing better that a dead criminal is more dead criminals.
- Icyfenix, on 01/12/2009, -2/+18@ Oracle95
Here's an idea that black people can use to stop getting put in jail/getting executed.
Stop Committing Crimes.
The solution to this isn't to put less non white people in jail. Put more money into educating these inner city dregs of society so they can think of something other than resorting to crime, and KILL the culture that glorifies crime like it's a ***** legitmiate career.
Stop dealing crack. Stop shooting people. Stop exploiting women into prostitution. You're not cool cuz you do those things, you're a ***** loser and you deserve to go to jail.
It's not black people. It's not mexicans. It's POOR people, who don't know what else to do. They don't think they have another option. - SteelChicken, on 01/12/2009, -3/+19Go Texas.
- dkybruce, on 01/12/2009, -2/+17Someone once asked Johnny Holmes, the ex Harris County (Houston) DA why more people are sent to death row in his county than all other states in the union combined.
His answer 'If you don't want to be executed, don't commit a murder in my county'
The man never lost an election for DA. - yosserhughes, on 01/12/2009, -7/+22Here's my 2c: The death penalty is just that; a penalty. It's not intended to rehabilitate an offender, nor is it intended as a deterrent to convince the person not to offend again. The sole intention of the death penalty is to punish the perpetrator for the crime they have committed.
We as a society have determined that there are certain crimes so atrocious that the only suitable punishment is for the person to forfeit their life.
It really is as simple as that, it’s not about government sanctioned murder, it’s about government carrying out they will of the people, and really, who could possibly not want Curtis Moore put to death, someone tell me the benefit to society to keep him alive. - jameskong15, on 01/12/2009, -5/+19No excuses needed, just simple logic. The death penalty is the only way we can be 100% sure that a person will never commit another crime. Sometimes members of society feel this is the best and possibly only way to protect themselves. Until you find us another way for a 100% guarantee, there will always be a legitimate need for the death penalty.
And before you hop on that LWOP bandwagon, realize that inmates can commit crimes inside the prison system against other inmates and guards. Hell, there are gang leaders on the inside serving life without that could make one phone call and have you gunned down tomorrow. There is also always the potential for escape into the real world. Not so much when they're dead though. - govsucks, on 01/12/2009, -8/+22Fine, lets not execute murderers anymore because we're "civilized" or justice isn't "perfect" and the people who DON'T believe in the death penalty are the only ones who should be billed for the care and upkeep of these murderers. You guys want to keep them alive fine. YOU guys pay all the bills for them all by yourselves. All the sudden the ***** talking stops. Its funny how you want to FORCE me to live by YOUR beliefs and TAKE my families resources to give to someone who has killed the resource generation potential of one or more other human beings. The collectivist answer to violent crime...have the government go out and use its force to steal from others to care for violent criminals. I'm sorry this man killed your mommy little girl but thanks to the glory of collectivism you can spend the rest of your life caring for him. Take care of them yourselves collectivist pukes.
- Nath2k8, on 01/12/2009, -3/+16Wow....
- e2superman, on 01/12/2009, -3/+16Btw I would disagree. If I gave you the option to live in a 5x5m cell the rest of your life OR simply kill you tomorrow.... I would bet you would take the cell.
i.e. the cell is not a "worse" option. - nwskipro, on 01/12/2009, -7/+19What is civilized about innocent students being killed at random in all these school shootings? what is civilized about little boys and girls being abducted, raped, and murdered? what is civilized about young teens being pulled into gang violence and ending up murdered or a murderer? what is civilized about good and innocent people becoming ever more weary of being randomly murdered? a civilized society needs to stand up against these evermore increasing uncivilized crimes.
- TopSlacker, on 01/12/2009, -6/+18Once you're dead how can you 'suffer'? You can't. That's it. Your life is over, you feel no pain... no chance to come to terms with your crimes, only your family suffers.
Life in a 5x5m cell is far worse than being executed. - Volatile36, on 01/12/2009, -0/+12That would probably just desensitize people to it more and lead people to doing even more heinous things.
People will treat others however they wish when life seemingly has no value. - JDBagley, on 01/12/2009, -6/+18BREAKING STORY: Texas likes to kill people!
How exactly is that news? - artfiend77, on 01/12/2009, -2/+13Hey, if they've proven beyond a reasonable doubt ( ie DNA, eye witnesses etc) and there was at least one victim of a premeditated horribly violent crime, I say fry the *****. *****, let me pull the switch.
- Volatile36, on 01/12/2009, -0/+11@insert
You usually end up paying for 20 or so years of all of that, plus appeal after appeal. - mamosley, on 01/12/2009, -3/+14I dont have a problem with the death penalty as long as the person is not convicted solely on circumstansial evidence or eye witness hear say. If there is concrete forensics or its caught on tape and the persons identity is undisputable, fry 'em.
- coyote1284, on 01/12/2009, -0/+10"a man will not commit crime if he is in prison"
What? No inmate has ever been killed by another inmate? Those "jail-rapes" we hear about are just rumor? There arn't drugs being circulated in prisons? Sorry, bud, but criminals don't instantly become model citizens once they're locked up. That's why they are in prison, because they have been judged unfit to live in civilized society. Reality is more like OZ than The Shawshank Redemption. - inactive, on 01/12/2009, -3/+13Any number greater than 1 is too many
- zhenkel, on 01/12/2009, -1/+11you're right, I recently participated in research on the texas justice system and the cost of execution often outweighs the cost of life in prison, mainly due to all the legal fees associated with killing someone.
- TripcodeMel, on 01/12/2009, -3/+13Sacco and Vanzetti. Never forget.
- jcpudd, on 01/12/2009, -2/+12I would think China has more executions, they are just not very well documented!
- FLUX, on 01/12/2009, -3/+13you kill someone in Texas and we will kill you back
- crystalconqueso, on 01/12/2009, -3/+12Actually the death penalty is NOT a way for the state to save money. As someone who went to school for criminal justice in the town they execute inmates in Texas, I can assure you this was a much studied topic. The cost of an execution extends far beyond the cost of the injection.
- drhouse, on 01/12/2009, -1/+10 A lot of people believe that the alleged methods the Chinese use for execution (a single gunshot to the back of the head, sometimes when the condemned doesn't expect is) is cruel ..
But what is more cruel? Getting it done quickly or doing it ceremoniously .. letting the guy sweat it out for weeks or months until he's executed - CaptainAmerica1, on 01/12/2009, -1/+10cdahlkvist said, "...The majority of people executed there [in TX] are poor, black males."
Wrong -- of the 422 people executed in TX since 1982, 151 -- or 35% -- were black.
Sixty-seven -- or 16% -- were Hispanic
Two were Asian
Two-Hundred and Two, or 48% were white.
Get your facts straight before shooting off at the mouth with uninformed emotion.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders ... - joltcola, on 01/12/2009, -1/+10one of the guys scheduled for death ripped his eye out and ate it last week (his last good one). cause he ripped his other eye out in 2002 before the trial...crazy ***** man
- insertAliasHere, on 01/12/2009, -3/+11But does it extend beyond 50 years of food, water, clothes, and shelter? I'd actually like to see a link explaining that one way or another.
- Shawn4168, on 01/12/2009, -4/+12There is no excuse for murder in a civilized society either, but it's still there. Hence the need for the death penalty.
- kildurin, on 01/12/2009, -1/+9Yet California is the state wanting a bailout while Texas sits on a $15B surplus. God Bless Texas.
- raybury, on 01/12/2009, -1/+9... that at least one of them was guilty. And both Rosenbergs.
- galeninjapan, on 01/12/2009, -7/+15Texas > USA
- Icyfenix, on 01/12/2009, -0/+8In Texas if you kill someone we will KILL YOU BACK.
- DharmaDog, on 01/12/2009, -1/+9I think Texas is quite successful already. Many top companies are headquartered here and we are weathering this economic downturn better than most.
Oh, you meant secede...That would fine too, I suppose. - e2superman, on 01/12/2009, -7/+14Why is it wrong? If someone raped your mom and then slit her abdomen with a hunting knife and let her bleed out.... then did that to your sister... would you just want them "locked up" for life, where they can watch TV and make new friends and chit chat at night with their jail booty buddies? I would personally want them to fry.
- jimmy17, on 01/12/2009, -0/+7This is why we have an impartial jury and judge. Victims are often incapable of rational decisions on the matter. Now imagine someone raped and killed a mans mother and then sister as you say. Then imagine this man, through his christain forgiveness says that he doenst want this man to be punished? Would it then be up to a jury and judge? Or would we let him go to attack again?
- Oracle95, on 01/12/2009, -4/+11In Texas, the conditions that must be met for a death penalty conviction already prove that the individual is not a part of a "civilized" society.
- Oracle95, on 01/12/2009, -2/+9There was a case in New Jersey where the murder was a textbook case on brutality. Photos from the crime scene were literally used to educate police on crime scene investigations and to weed out the weak stomachs. 10 years after the killer was sentenced to "Live without Parole", he was released on parole for good behavior.
The family of the victim was not informed initially of his release. Ironically, he was placed in a home in the same neighborhood as where the victim's family had relocated to. When the family finally learned that their daughter's killer was living next door to them, they went to the media. The state's response was to terminate the employee who informed the family and to relocate the killer. (This may sound like the plot to a horror movie, but its fact.)
This was a part of a series of stories in the late 80's in the Courier News (Bridgewater, NJ). It was also covered in the Star Ledger. There was another case of a child killer, who had been sentenced to "Life without Parole" in the 60's only to be released, kill again and be released a second time in the 80's, where you guessed it, he killed again.
"Life without Parole" is a joke. Texas Deathrow inmates get a series of mandatory appeals and generally sit in prison for longer than both of the "Life without Parole" examples. As DNA and other high tech investigation techniques become more common, I believe the chance of an innocent person being killed become less likely.
The Death Penalty isn't randomly handed down to anyone who kills. Its reserved for the sickest of our society who are without redemption and a danger to society. - Kyrgizion, on 01/12/2009, -1/+8I agree. The only thing that makes me think twice about the death penalty is that it's, in my opinion, not nearly harsh enough for some of the people it's been reserved for. Why should they get a painless death when their victims often did not?
- DaDrake, on 01/12/2009, -1/+8Japan, South Korea, the UAE etc haven't moved on.
Personally, I don't care for the death penalty. But murder is killing without justification..... killing (not murder) is not illegal in any civilization. Every nation recognize situations when one is justified to take the life of another human being. You can argue the USA doesn't have significant justification.... but calling it murder is playing semantics to bring up an emotional counterpart to your argument. - roosterjm2k2, on 01/12/2009, -11/+18That's not justice, it's vengeance.
I used to feel the same way you did... then I realized that it was more due to the years of being told that's what should happen by those around me than my own thinking. If you apply your own logic to the situation, you would see the difference.
One of my friends' mother was murdered in a home invasion/robbery. The guy that did it got the death sentence. He was all for it at first, with his "justice" and all... as time grew closer he started to feel differently. Now, the guy has been executed... and my friend was sad that day. For 2 reasons... 1, the tragedy of 1 night went on for years, being reminded nearly constantly of that night as the death sentence got closer. Second, knowing that his mom would not have wanted it, and knowing that while it wasn't her fault, her death was the catalyst to anther death.
Eye for an Eye sounds good on paper, but eventually we'll run out of people to kill. Responding to violence with violence gets you what you see in the middle east. In the battle of Israel/Palistine - nobody even remembers who fired first... its just vengeance after vengeance any nobody has gained anything from it - only lost.
100 years ago when we didn't understand the brain very well it was different. Today, we know that most truly violent offenders are sick. They lack the simple (but biological) ability to feel remorse. While they certainly don't need to be free, they need help more than they need to die. It's hard to accept that when someone does something heinous, they might not be entirely responsible for their own actions - but biology has shown us that in many cases that is, in fact, the case. We have a natural capacity for violence - it's a defense mechanism. Some people though don't have the "switch" that keeps it turned off for the most part, though. Dahmer was killing and skinning animals alive when he was too young to even understand the concept of life and death... pair that condition (biological - lack of apathy) with an abusive family and upbringing... sadly, there wasn't any other likely outcome. He is still guilty, and accountable for his crimes, but death isn't what he needed (I know that the "system" didn't kill him...). He shouldn't have been in a general population prison, but in a phsyc treatment facility.
The good thing is that there is a greater pattern of people moving towards compassion and justice vs vengeance. As the world "matures", the leaders seem to become more ruthless... but the people in developed countries at least seem to be coming to grips with reality and shaking off the "old" ways... - SteelChicken, on 01/12/2009, -4/+11Fine, we can send you these monsters, and you can keep take care of them.
Many Americans approve of the death penalty. You dont like it, dont come here and commit horrendous crimes. - Oracle95, on 01/12/2009, -1/+8But the prison system isn't about "rehabilitation. Many prisoners get a better life on the inside than they do on the outside. They don't learn to be model citizens, they learn to be better criminals.
And that's what we really wants, killers and rapists who know how to beat the law when they get out and commit their next crime. -
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