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  • real2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+134Beautiful memorial. Chinese people will never see this due to censorship from both Google and the Chinese Government.
    • masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+79The day China becomes a free country will be a great day for the world. Chinese are extremely hard-working and brave people -- most people oppressed for generations usually are -- and there is so much economic potential there for greatness, not to mention their spectacular history, as well as their medical sciences which have been developed completely isolated from western cultures, and sometimes they actually WORK!

      It's hard to believe that the Chinese government successfully squelched 100,000 revolutionaries.
    • Raydr, on 10/12/2007, -43/+42masamunecyrus,

      Not that I'm encouraging censorship or a communist way of life, BUT, is it possible that the reason they are so hard working and brave is partially the result of the lifestyle they have?

      Look at us Americans. We're fatter and lazier that most of the rest of the world, and are very much looked down upon because of our arrogant, ignorant lifestyles. And, as an American, I actually agree - we're a bunch of fatasses that need to spend more time taking care of OURSELVES instead of trying to change other countries to be more like us.

      Put yourselves in their shoes - would you really want a non-respected country interfering with your country's affairs?
    • oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+45background:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

      this is that tank guy. he's awesome.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
    • Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Raydr,

      I agree with most of your point. I just had to point out the fact that americans work on average more than most of the world(days per year, hours per week).
    • ivachen, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7what exactly are you referring, in this video, that Chinese people will not see. While most of the footage in the video is copied from CCTV's news broadcast? (CCTV is chinese national TV in Beijing)
    • GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53>> Look at us Americans. We're fatter and lazier that most of the rest of the world,
      >> and are very much looked down upon because of our arrogant, ignorant lifestyles.

      People always say this. And yet it would appear that more people emigrate to the US than to other countries. How can these two "facts" be made to agree?
    • ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Google hasn't censored anything, they still try to get google.com through all the time, and when the Chinese block it, they have a fallback, which still has images of the massacre, which you can find with a little creativity.
    • szelij, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@Gigglestick

      That because of economics. You just happen to have the most prosprous economy and really lax immigration laws.

    • KSava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There was a documentary on PBS, I missed the broadcasts when it aired, but they had it online, along with other information. I highly recommend everyone to watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/
    • weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"Raydr,

      I agree with most of your point. I just had to point out the fact that americans work on average more than most of the world(days per year, hours per week)."

      Just wanted to reiterate this. We're the 2nd hardest working developed nation in the world behind only Japan and both our economies show it.
    • beaurich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@ Raydr

      The point is that Americans are FREE to be fat and lazy if they want to be.

      Further more it is extremely stereo typical to call all Americans fat and lazy. I work two jobs and go to school full time. Just because some Americans are fat does not mean they are lazy, it means we live in a pretty great country. Scientists are now contributing things like increased air conditioning in the work environment to the obesity issue. It is a luxury Americans have afforded themselves by working hard and being free.

      We have a choice too be fat and lazy. So does the rest of the world. Also, you might want to check Eu ropes obesity problems before you go pinning this strictly on the US.
    • cwcheang, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@ivachen

      those are all old footages. those excerpts are probably aired on the night of the massacre.. and they couldnt have censored it that soon.
    • nanobug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34@masamunecyrus:
      "It's hard to believe that the Chinese government successfully squelched 100,000 revolutionaries."

      Lack of guns. That's why all freedom loving people should be strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment in the US.
    • Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3The Chinese aren't especially brave. That's all in your head.
    • TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6And we trade with the people who did this....

      We should have supported them then and we should support the revolutionaries now...

      Dying in the name of freedom is perhaps the greatest way to die...
    • ivachen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@cwcheang

      But this is not one of those times. When Satellite wasnt widely available in 89', almost all TV stations are government run. There is no question about censorship or not because everyone is running on the same agenda, they simply will not show what they doesn't want the people to see.

      Dispite what side of the biased media is on, there are still vivid picture of violence that is broadcasted in local and national TV, of one thing that I can still remember is the bleeding lip of a soldiar struggle between his fellows and the crowd, and the burnt bodies the police was trying to scrap up. And yeah of course, a man trying to climb up the tank.

      Saying that Chinese people will never see it it's as ignorant as you can get. Xinhua might down play the memorial activities in HK every year, and down play all those farlun people(Chinese equivalent of Scientologiest imo), but hell I see it. It happened on TV, in front page titles in newspaper, I could remember and I was only nine.

      Now you defenders of the free world feel free to digg me down.
    • hkbigfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ ivachen

      I believe most of the bloody scenes were released by individuals or media other than cctv.

      One point I wanna make it really clear is that most of young kids in china doesn't know anything about what happened in June 4, 1989 and never heard of "culture revolution", which imho is very sad. Chinese people should have the right to know what had happened since the communist party took over china.
    • davidzet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Overseas chinese accomplish alot, no matter the culture where they live. Those who have "gone native" may be fat and lazy, but those who have not still have a great respect for education, hard work, etc (as well as the desire to enjoy success).

      Note that working many hours is neither the same as working hard nor accomplishing much. What matters is productivity per hour worked, where the US and Japan are not number one.

      I wonder if a Tienanmen massacre could happen today in China. I wonder if it even matters -- the pressure for reform and freedom to go with economic prosperity is very strong. It seems that China is only a few years (say 5-10?) behind S. Korean and Chilean-style democracy.
    • jmg703, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Osjpr
      First of all you are generalizing a whole race into one assumption that is, at least based on what happend, is totally wrong. Those were brave people who died fighting for freedom while you sit on your judgmental ass at home.
    • xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Very powerful video.
    • idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@davidzet
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4As-dVqbQI&search=china%20media
      See 3:50 to 4:50 for clips from a battle between peasant farmers and government forces seizing their land for development.
    • foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is there a better quality version? Wanted to distribute DVDs at my school of this
    • Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jmg703@ Ah. THOSE people were brave. I agree completely. But I was referring to masamune, who said, "Chinese are extremely ....brave people." Their bravery is no more or less than other nations.
    • Eddy3oy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@beaurich

      "Scientists are now contributing things like increased air conditioning in the work environment to the obesity issue."

      - so now breathing makes you fat?
    • Mofo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google had two options, tap into the Chinese market or not tap into the Chinese market. To not do it would be very stupid. To do it they have to comply with Chinese law. What's stopping the Chinese from typing google.com or google.co.uk isntead of google.cn? The Chiense gov.
    • masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Raydr:
      You are correct, and I agree with you too (though Americans are second to only Japan when it comes to average hours of work per day). However, I don't care what kind of government China has -- it doesn't need to be a United States-esque government, it just needs to be a government that supports, embraces, and encourages a free and peaceful society.

      @Osjpr:
      I tend to go under the impression that the collective bravery of a people who are oppressed and are sick of being oppressed is notably higher than the collective bravery of a people who can't even relate to horror of tyranny.
  • lazyguy, on 10/12/2007, -57/+7huh. im chinese.
    • H0tKarl, on 10/12/2007, -68/+21I'd like a #12 with extra rice please.
    • thewaz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28are you in china? answer: no

      Location: Markham, Ontario

    • uttles, on 10/12/2007, -38/+6lmao @ H0tKarl
    • Antaeus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22god damn it where's my ***** wall.
    • Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@thewaz

      Have you ever been to Markham Ontario? It might as well be China.
  • cantbearsed1, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4like the music :).

    we never forget.
  • KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58I never fail to be impressed every time I see the footage of the guy who stood his ground in front of those tanks

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7951501782144625225&q=tiananmen+square+tank&hl=en
    • lsatkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10i've never seen footage of how he got moved away from the tanks, or did he get run over?
    • KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Wikipedia says he either dissapared into the crowd after talking with the tank driver or was possibly executed.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
    • candiru, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Some people pushed him out of the way.
    • bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3wow talk about a gutsy guy. of course he probably died for that. if i were him i would have tried to blow up a tank make it worth me dieing. then again i probably wouldn't ever dream of doing something like that. probably poo my self.
    • theone3, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4I don't get why all the other tanks didn't just go past him, making the whole thing futile. It would take at least 5 tank men to stop a simulateous charge..

      Apparently the military needs some basic tactical training. :D
    • philz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3He was pushed away, see here (1. Movie, @ 1m30s):
      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/
    • kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm also very impressed and I take slight comfort in knowing that the heart of the soldiers of the People's Liberation Army is still with the Chinese people. That tank driver could have just mown the guy over but the driver didn't do that. He tried to go around.

      Little symbols like that change countries.
    • sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The "tank man" has to be one of the bravest sons of a bitch I've ever seen. I get chills everytime I see that scene. One man, even if only temporarily, stopped an entire column of tanks.

      That guy, whoever he is, gets my respect anyday.
  • cantbearsed1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12also, can someone translate what that guy says at the end?
    • Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -28/+11"hey college students, here's a lesson for you. don't throw flaming molatov cocktails in the back of military trucks and you wont get shot." at least i think that's what it translates to, my chinese to english skills are a bit rusty.
    • KSava, on 10/12/2007, -20/+3Why are you people digging him down?

      edit:Seriously, just now someone dugg him down again.
    • timlee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Something to the effect of: "To the opposition, I have (?), each of you harm China"

      It's hard to translate without context but it's definitely not what Jeebugorn said it was.
    • Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1thanks ksava. at least SOMEONE has my back

      @timlee
      well....its should have been. i mean, COME ONNN, if you were to do that in america you'd get shot as well.
    • pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1no subtitles needed in that video.
  • mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -7/+70it's disgusting that a country with such shocking human rights atrocities can be allowed to host something like the Olympic games. Just goes to show how the Olympics are a complete crock of corporate bollocks.
    • slater, on 10/12/2007, -28/+48are you talking about China or the US? hurrr hurrr (sorry)
    • B0jangles, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Same with any international sporting event. They're just a diplomatic occasion in an attempt for the hosting nation to try and cover up all their international discrepancies.
      This year's World Cup for instance. The stadiums were littered with "let's just be friends" style logos, trying to dumb down the o' so small conflict that Germany was involved in.
      Any tourist who dared to recall the history was shunned by the police into cells for alleged hooliganism.
    • bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16***** the olimpics they should be kicked out of the un. Who realy wants a country like that making international laws?
    • philz, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4bobothn, are you talking about China or the US? hurrr hurrr (not sorry, rather sad)
    • Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Chinese government may not deserve it, but the Chinese people sure do!

      They are not the same thing, In a few years the Chinese people will prevail and be the next great free nation, a new beacon of liberty.
    • motionb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think its kinda funny you all are ALL behind freedom for chinese people, but free Iraqi's NOOO thats not the same thing ... we dont have these videos so we can SEE what Sadam did in Iraq, that must be the difference ...
      Bring on the Bushy bashers now ......
  • addrake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Obviously, this is not a compliment to the Chinese government, just an observation: It amazes me they were able to quell this uprising when so many other anti-communist uprisings (Russia, Ukraine, East Germany) couldn't. The Chinese were so close to freedom there, and they gave it up for a half-ass market economy.
  • bigfkncee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Heartbreaking. Dugg
  • dirka, on 10/12/2007, -33/+6Luckily, there were some reporters on the ground to hear what the man in front of the tank was saying...

    "Go arrrouund, we dont want no trouble. Yuur god damn mongorians! Hurry up and Buy!"
  • codethief, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Horrible :(
  • SwordofKahless, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8Now here is one of those cases, "Chinese oppression of it's people" where diggers can legitmately criticize Bush (and Bush Sr. and Clinton for that matter). For instead of appling pressure on China we are just handing over our country to them.

    But you will never here Bush criticized for that on Digg and instead will see more of the same BS - Bush and the US being compared to Hitler and the Nazi's or facism.

    • SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Thats a perfect example of damned if you do, damned if you dont.
      Damned if you dont interefere in a regime (China) that has horrible human rights violations,
      Damned if you DO interefere in a regime (Iraq) that has horrible human rights violations.

      Id sure like to see other nations than the US step up and put pressure on totaliarian regimes.
    • vermin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Putting political pressure on a country is very different from invading it.
    • RodeoRobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Political pressure isn't very effective unless the people you're negotiating with know you're willing to use force to defend your position.
    • elamr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4The U.S. government has no moral leg to stand on: Ignoring genocide in Rwanda, changing the law to avoid International Geneva Convention human rights laws in Gitmo.

      How can the U.S. Govt say anything to China about human rights?

    • Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1"Damned if you dont interefere in a regime (China) that has horrible human rights violations,
      Damned if you DO interefere in a regime (Iraq) that has horrible human rights violations."

      Hey here's an idea, follow the damn Constitution!
      "Free trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none" -George Washington
    • davidzet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1China's horrible HR record has no excuse. The US (and everyone else) should criticise them. The US should also clean up its act -- land of the free and home of the brave SHOULD not truck with rapists, murderers, thieves (ie, soldiers in Iraq), let alone liars, traitors and criminals (ie, Bush administration).
  • uttles, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Damned Communists.

    /forgive my McCarthyism
    • happyperson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Its only McCarthyism, when you start thinking that sombody who once knew sombody who caught a climps of a Communist leaflet is gonna destroy the fabric of exsistance.
    • uttles, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I know, I was being facetious. Liberals love to call you McCarthy any time you compare their policies to communism, so I was just getting that out of the way.
    • elamr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@iediew,
      some good points. I personally don't think the U.S. Gov't has a moral leg to stand on with its recent international policies that violate international human rights laws. It is really unfortunate because they have the opportunity to do good and lead the world in that respect.

      China's govt is definitely no better. As bad as it is, the U.S. gov't would not wipe out its own citizens even if there was a violent protest on the Washington monument. The PLA killed 2600 people (according the the Chinese Red Cross). What happened in China was almost a revolution. And I suspect that the actual revolution is yet to come. I fear that day and I am an American. The Chinese Govt would be smart to heed recent rise in voices among the people. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/themes/cancontinue.html
    • nawitus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Communism as a philosophical/economical theory has nothing to do with this video.
  • oblivinated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Can somebody please show me a non google video link for this video? I'm in China and Google Video isn't supported here T_T. "Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country."
  • happyperson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Its also worth remembering that all the footage you've ever seen of the massacre was either smuggled out of china or was approved by the government, so imagine what didn't manage to get out.
    • h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11A lot of it was broadcast by ABC, who then had their offices shut down. Today there's a government censor working at each of these offices, controlling what gets transmitted out of the country.

      I wish we'd just shut down all our uselessplasticcrap factories down in China and stop supporting such a commufacist state.
    • davidzet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Shutting down the factories is EXACTLY the WRONG idea - the more money people have, the more freedom they want -- think about that (and S. Korea, Chile, et al.)
  • mkjones, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The video would not load but I dugg anyway. I cant believe this was over 15 years ago. It seems like it was just a few years ago.

    I hope China have learned from this horrible mistake.
    • M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -7/+417 years ago :o
    • h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14They have learned... They've learned how to have a tighter grip on information... with the help of google, yahoo, cisco, etc.
  • digitallysick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Someone should make this where all our good friends in china can watch it, *somehow* either a streaming mpeg off of someones site would be great, i dont think they could stop that, start a revolution!
  • repran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I was there - 14 back then - one of the few foreign permanent residents still in Beijing at the time. We picked up my brother from a friend across town and went to see the bruning tanks on our way back. Did you know that the students managed to block the troops approaching from the west Chang An Street? Only the ones approaching from the east made it to the square - which was more than enough of cause. 'Tian An Men' is Chinese for Gate of Heavenly Peace. We got evacuated a few days later.
  • IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9To buy or not to buy that Lenovo laptop...hmmmm.....
  • Hush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That's powerful footage, and I give respect to those people who stood up like that. Too bad it didn't make a change, if the whole country had stood up with them it would have been different.
    • davidzet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Change is happening and has been happening for the past 30 years - it's just hard to understand if you are not there or do not know where they came from...
  • mecole21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen square?
    Was fashion the reason why they were there?"
    -System of a Down
  • Splizxer, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6Q: What do Chinese college students do on their spare time?

    A: They go to Tiananmen Square to get tanked.
  • ieddiew, on 10/12/2007, -20/+8This is just another example of the imperialist westerners trying to influence the inner working of the rest of the world. When people go out on the streets in LA, you call it a riot, when people go out on streets in China, it became a revolution?! Stop trying to impose your selfish culture and values on other countries, try to take care of your own probelms at home first. When you pay 'tribute' to those disobedient students, people are staving and suffering in your own backyard like New Orlean and Mississippi. Take care of your own and stop acting like U.S. can do no wrong.
    • darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11First off there is a huge difference between people running around starting fires, destroying property, and looting goods - and a bunch of students sitting around with pro-democracy banners.

      Second - we don't really know who made the video, and not all people that live in the West were even born in the West - for example, if someone was born in China and then migrates to the United States, does that make them a "imperialist westerner"?

      Third - name a country that doesn't try to influence the inner workings of the world - even the small countries that nobody has heard of have some influence on the inner workings.

      Fourth - people are starving and suffering pretty much everywhere in the world - however, most of the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort is well underway, but considering that most of the city was flooded it will take a long time before things are back to normal there. Also, most of those affected by the storm moved to other places in the country and are currently putting things back together in their life's.
    • JamieBarrows, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There is a big difference between a riot where people are looting stores and homes, and a demonstration where people are chanting slogans and carrying signs. Also, when we deal with rioters here in the US, we arrest them. We don't mow them down with tanks.
    • ieddiew, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3So you think there was nothing destroyed in the 'movement'? Aside from the riots they caused all over the country, they caused a lot of damage in Beijing too. Have you seen the place after they clear out the students? Can you imagine if someone goes in front of your national landmark and totally trash that place? The only difference is that in LA and most other riots, it's personal properties that got destroyed and it's NATIONAL LANDMARK that got destroyed in China.

      If it's a Chinese person who made the video, then he is even worse than a western imperialist. He is a traitor of his race! He is willing helping to spread the lies westerners are spreading to smear the image of China.

      Yes, while all countries are trying to influence the world affair in their favor, no country is doing it more unethically than U.S. If you don't like some government, say they have WMD and send in the troops, if you don't like some guy who got ELECTED into the office, say he is trying to develop nuke threat to bomb that country (which, I would love to see how US is gonna fumble that one). While in US, people cry and whine and threat economic punishment when you find out some temple donated money to your politicians. Typical American double standard.

      There are more problems in America than just Katrina, your inner city population is largely poor and uneducated, and your riches are getting richer by means of corporate misconducts you called 'capitalism'. A small percentage (single digit) of people control more than 95% of the wealth and maybe 100% of the political power. I am not saying China or any country in the world do not have the same or similar problem, but US is acting like it's the city on the hill and everything is peachy in Zion. It's all just an extension of white men's burden. Take care of your own people first before you worry about other people.

      You were wrong, and that was me correcting you
    • buss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6So i'm pretty sure that ieddiew is living in China and working as part of the censorship program, where students are hired to patrol newsgroups, forums, and other websites to spread the gospel of the Chinese government.

      Either that or he is the most vile human being I've ever come into contact with. Seriously, who says stuff like this:
      "If it's a Chinese person who made the video, then he is even worse than a western imperialist. He is a traitor of his race! He is willing helping to spread the lies westerners are spreading to smear the image of China."

      ieddiew, you need to rethink what you're doing in life and what you believe.
    • foofooz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2ieddiew,

      You assumed that all Americans support what the current administration and congress have allowed. I cringe whenever I think of it, the military operations we have done in recent years, and the pro-war thinking that some citizens are resolute in.
      Also, I love the sensationalism and urgency in your message to educate us rich, ignorant white men about a failing education system , imperialistic economy, and the city on the hill that we try to behave like.
      The circumstances surrounding the LA riots of the early 90's is different then the those that onset the Tienanmen Square event. I don't know what the hell you were thinking trying to compare the two for a argument, but your wrong.
      You corrected no one either.

    • teethman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A traitor to his race? Are Chinese people genetically programmed to one specific way of government? And what the ***** does America have to do with anything? You could bash America all you like, but what relevence does that have when looking at China? People want to get free, and the Chinese government ***** them up.
  • PradaPete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That's a good candidate for Colbert's

    "Was it really that bad?"

    series...LOL
  • Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4never forget what?
  • estee065, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Chilling. Well put together and the music choice was spot on.
    • ASoggyWaffle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1cant beat the requiem for a dream music for serious stuff like that, chills me every time i hear it
  • chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Anyone have the video (it was on PBS) where they interviewed 4 top students at China's premier high school and showed them a picture of the Tank Man - not one of them had ever seen the picture or had any idea what it was about.
  • guigui42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2here is a youtube version ;
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=zM2seNeU19A

    Its not exactly the same, but has same music and almost same footage.
    Also notice the end, with the voice of Bus Uncle (HongKong people should know him very well : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bus_Uncle )
  • nlfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8A risk worth taking, I uploaded the original to the following which is likely not blocked.

    http://www.newslookup.cn/mass.mp4
    http://www.newslookup.com.cn/mass.mp4
    http://www.newslookup.com/Asia/China/mass.mp4


  • manicdvln, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6What's with the background music? Are you selling me a movie trailer? Jesus Christ, everything has to be dramatized. As if people will be less shocked if there was no music.
    Assholes.
    • cwcheang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4the music is there to help us people who werent there to better understand the things that actually happened.. like.. to really 'feel' it..

      it's not being dramatized. you're an *****. a really big one too.

      and btw, are you wearing a tin foil hat?
    • AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, but I too thought the music was distracting. And it did feel like it was a movie trailer, just because that particular soundtrack has been used a lot to try and fabricate a sense of suspense in movies. As the previous poster mentioned, it was entirely unnecessary, the pictures speak for themselves.
  • takehiro12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Wow! What a powerful video. It brought a tear to my eye.
    I walked through Tiananmen in 2001 and couldn't get over what an incredibly immense and impressive space it is. I also couldn't get the massacre out of my mind and how it's almost glossed over as a footnote in China's consciousness. An amazing people who deserve so much more.
  • taylorhayward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They just wanted something better for their people.
  • distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Of course, it has to have the Requiem theme for added drama.
  • dalooo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Just of note, I know a student who was there at the time. He told me the protest wasn't for democracy, it was agaisnt corruption in the government.

    Also the soliders that were initially there were playing cards and talking with the students at the time, and they got transferred out and a bunch of soliders from a different part of the country was brought in when they decided to start shooting the students.

    It's sad even after the bravery and effort the students put in the government of China is still as corrupt as before. I'm not referring to the head of the country, but the people involved in the system, they still take bribes, and especially the ones that are benefitting from China selling of it's state assets, you'll notice how many of these national assets try to become public companies in the US.
  • Beetlesweb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I was in Hong Kong on June 4th this year, and was in Victoria park for the rememberance ceremony.

    China is an amazing country...the politics and history absoutley fascinate me
  • CannibalTom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Beslan, never forget!
  • DarthDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4BBC News - June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Massacre

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=XJBnHMpHGRY
  • unclejemima, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"Tiananmen Square Massacre"

    Or as it is called in China, "Subsersive and defamatory search detected. Police are on their way"
  • cyberswat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Coming soon to an American city near you.
    • guigui42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Most Chinese people know what happened there... but its taboo.
      Talk about politics to a random Chinese, and he will turn away from you. It makes many of them uncomfortable. Doesn't mean they agree with everything their government does.
      Its the same problem when talking about Taiwan
      EDIT : that was for yukevster's comment below
  • yukevster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13A few years ago I was teaching English to a group of young Chinese. I decided to borrow a library book documenting the Tiananmen Massacre. Before I showed it to them I asked what they knew of the incident. They replied some crazy, radical students on drugs went mad and attacked people. When I told them it was described as a massacre in the West they laughed and said, "only a few people died".

    Then I gave them the book complete with graphic pictures. They all gathered round, jaws dropped in astonishment. The class was strangely quite for the remainder of the lesson.
  • CountChoculaAM, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2excellent post
  • asdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I have an idea, let's invade China and spread democracy! *sigh*.. innocent non-violent unarmed students dying..
  • GameDudeX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I think it's a great video. By the way, does anyone know the name of that song in the background? I know I've heard it before, but I can't remember where.
  • Zoglog, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3All you hippies will be crying the day motherland China comes and crushes all of you ;). Payback for the railroads if you will.... I mean you guys don't even use them anymore... that's just not cool.
    • yukevster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Quit labeling people "hippies". I mean, what's with that? Do you know what a hippie actually is? Do you honestly think there are any that read Digg?
  • Germanicus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The protestors were mostly students, young people who got a new idea in their heads and tried to make a change.

    Its pretty much long forgotten now. When I was growing up in China, my parents mentioned it a few times, but the new generations are too young to remember (including myself).

    As long as you're a good citizen, middle class, you're not troubled with these ideas, really. Its when you're out of the norm, as in the so called "religion" of Falun Gong, that you're persecuted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Falun_Gong

    Not to say that this method of treating people is right, on the governments part. But the truth is, for the majority of Chinese people, there is no "opression" as many foreigners would believe. Heck, I didn't notice much of a difference between living in China and in Canada. Other than the apparent pollution.
    • cloudless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4People in China are not allowed to criticize their government. They can't say things that are not approved by the government.

      People in China cannot see things that their government considers "inappropriate".

      If you don't see that as oppression, I don't know what is.
    • Germanicus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Funny, I never had any apparent desire to speak out against the government publicly. I lived alright. The government provided me with education, health care. People discuss flaws of the communist party all the time. I don't see the secret police arresting them.

      Maybe you should move back under the british government.
    • hkbigfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you publicly play that "Tiananmen Square Massacre" video on a street in Canada, US or even Hong Kong, you'll be fine.
      But if you do the same in China, I bet you'll disappear very soon.
    • fanzhango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My family has been living in the heart of Beijing since my great grandparents. And they told me there were other demonstrations through out the ages. It doesn't matter if the protest is against beiyan warlords, Japanese, or the Chinese government. The people who get gun down are always students. It seem students of all periods are naive and think they can change the world just by marching down the street.

      I agree with Germanicus's observation that most Chinese are not being oppressed everyday. There's a unspoken social contract between government and people. They'll provide economic freedom and prosperity but you have to give up political freedom. If you think about the US constitution guaranteeing life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. China got two out of three. Not bad, for now.

      I'm always suspicious about people who want to spread "freedom" and "democracy" to China. Personally I don't think they care one bite about the welfare of chinese people. The pretext of spreading freedom give them excuse to muddle with China's internal affair. Their ultimate goal is to hinder or even topple the chinese government so it can no longer compete economically globally.

      Business use to say if they can sell one match to every chinese they would make a fortune. They are realizing now they'll have to clear the whole forest if that happen. Can you imagine how will happen to gas, metal, rubber price if the chinese start buying Humvee like Americans? That is the real reason why the west fear and hate the chinese.
  • TeddyRoosevelt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As terrible as those events in China were, let us not forget the sins of our fathers, for they too have committed heinous acts. The era of the Civil Rights Movement is a time in American history where we can all bow our heads in disgrace and shame. Let us also not forget the tragedy at Kent State or repeat these shameful acts against our fellow citizens.
  • iRice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0very good post here.
  • mariod505, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does anyone have an English translation of this flick? It's cool and all, but I think the dialog likely adds quite a bit
  • pangea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The footage was really great. The music was unnecessary. When you add LoTR music to something like like that, I think it cheapens the message and becomes propaganda. The video will speak for itself, showing the chaos, destruction and mayhem of that time. No need to add music like that.
  • steve693, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Western propaganda, reported as inaccurate.

    I rove you rong time!!
  • Wilson735, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What is the name of the music in that video?
    • ASoggyWaffle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3its from requiem for a dream, clint mansell composed it, there was a compilation made for the second LOTR movie i think
    • distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Waffle, you're going to be my friend because you know who Clint Mansell is.
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