No wonder our perception of beauty is distorted watch!
campaignforrealbeauty.com — This is a video from dove's campaign for real beauty where you see a girl get a heavy makeup and then "fixed" in photoshop before she's beauty enough to fit the ad.
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- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -4/+259Excellent video, well worth watching. My only gripe is that Dove haven't exactly helped this situation much. At least they're doing something now, I guess.
- kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -3/+242That's a very cool video. It reinforces the idea that every ad image you see is manufactured. Once they figure out how to make totally computer-generated images look realistic enough to pass as a real person, then there will no longer be a need for live models.
Scary. - shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -5/+153Actually dove ran all those ads with "plus sized" models in lingerie, which weren't really plus-sized at all, they were what normal people are supposed to look like.
- o0o0steve, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPGa0pKyTg
- shitthisfook, on 10/12/2007, -4/+83They need to show this to as many women as possible. It is not getting nearly enough exposure to be helpful.
- ivachen, on 10/12/2007, -47/+6at least they made fat the new thin =P
- ricree, on 10/12/2007, -36/+5@Motocompo
Are you sure you aren't just setting your standards too high? - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+88"They need to show this to as many women as possible. It is not getting nearly enough exposure to be helpful."
Erm, and men too. - Dayz, on 10/12/2007, -15/+83She wasnt that hot in the end anyway. She was pretty good lookign i nthe begining
- Sh0cker, on 10/12/2007, -28/+6define:Photoshop - Temporary, painless plastic surgery with no side effects to the body if it's done by an idiot.
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Actually Dove have been doing this for a while, at least in the UK all their TV adverts have had 'real' people for quite a while now
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I was too late to edit, but you can see the girls they've been using at the top of this page:
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.co.uk/press.asp?url=press.asp§ion=news&id=185 - darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -2/+69I have never really thought that women like models or moviestars looked beautiful, rather I think they look pretty in the same way a vase or a car would look pretty, not a woman. I prefer good looking girls with a good personality that also look human.
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -21/+15We did a project about this (this was 1/5 of the project) and we found that the vast majority of girls don't try to change themselves to look like these models (we didn't do the survey, it was done professionally). It's a misconception that girls will turn bulimic to look like these women.
- and just for the record, my perception of beauty aint distorted. - ernkush, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I would not consider the face at the end beautiful. The facial structure and the eyes remain ugly. The look the face portrays is also pedestrian and would not catch my attention under most circumstances. Natural beauty exceeds anything they can synthesize through these means.
- affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Its not make-up its actually fake-up
- fabriciom, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4If beauty is so important in your life to begin with, there is something wrong with you and you should not be worrying about how “beautiful” you are, more about your mental health.
- karmatic, on 10/12/2007, -19/+12I disagree. Don't put the blame on our perceptions...
put the blame, for example, on all the fat women out there that need to exercise!!!!
This is ridiculous!
Every woman needs to feel pretty? What about natural selection, bitches? Jesus!
There are plenty of beautiful women that need no makeup and PLENTY of uglies... Let's be realistic folks.. - TheWorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Once they figure out how to make totally computer-generated images look realistic enough to pass as a real person, then there will no longer be a need for live models."
Already happened. This beautiful girl was completely computer generated.
http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/199846/199846_1156997804_large.jpg - thorseth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I´m sorry, I think it looks like "shes" made from plastic and the eyes are all dead.
Does anyone know if there exists a site with "CGI or Real?" like a Turing test for images?
Could be cool... - jnrosemas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I think this article is a great read (this Dove ad is discussed in detail):
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200703/postrel-beauty
- kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -3/+242That's a very cool video. It reinforces the idea that every ad image you see is manufactured. Once they figure out how to make totally computer-generated images look realistic enough to pass as a real person, then there will no longer be a need for live models.
- dumpstergames, on 10/12/2007, -137/+19That just shows natural beauty is a rarity
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -11/+130not as rare as you might think.
- Motocompo, on 10/12/2007, -37/+14gd007-
You might be suprised at the rarity of natural beauty. We might have a different perception of what natural beauty is, but true natural beauty is indeed a rare one. - noeljohnhoward, on 10/12/2007, -30/+6i gotta call this girl right now,
i reliased how beautiful she actually is and with out all this retouching
rare find fellas good luck - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+52Much of what you see IRL isn't exactly natural either.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -10/+61Beauty is more than how one looks. Much more.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+57"That just shows natural beauty is a rarity"
Just goes to show how much your view of beauty has been distorted. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6'Distorted' implies beauty is something objective, I agree that the way advertising portrays people is setting alot of people's standards a bit high though
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"That just shows natural beauty is a rarity"
At what point in life do people simply stop learning? I fear when my time comes. - PAJK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You have completely missed the point. Beauty now is the not the same as beauty 100 years ago. Our current perception of beauty in the western world has been completely manufactured.
Women wear what is essentially face paint, to make themselves look beautiful as we currently see beauty.
Keyword: perception - mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@HellifIno: "Beauty is more than how one looks. Much more."
not physical beauty. physical beauty is pretty much just how someone looks.
i love the way a lot of movies look, even though i hate the screenwriting. i still call them beautiful.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -15/+79that really is sad.
you're dating a model and you bring her over to meet your friends and they call *****. that really would hurt your feelings.- TVarmy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+63Don't you mean "her" feelings?
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+63no.
- unversed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ouch!
- vagarach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7nice one :D
- makeaprettycake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+113YAY! now normal people can be corporate tools too!
- b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29It's true... but it's a very clever ad campaign and it sort of has a worthwhile message too.
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -16/+10What do you think digg.com is? Hint - digg.com is made to sell ad views to corporate America.
- buckynekkid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Trying to avoid corporate influence foolish. You'll be much happier if you accept huge corporations run EVERYTHING and will always try to influence you, rather than being suspicious of everything and living a life of paranoia. It is similar to terrorism. I am going to continue doing the things that I do and not mold my life around something that I have absolutely no control over.
- cyzoonic, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4Check this site out: http://glennferon.com/portfolio1/index.html . All retouches before and after pictures.
- Tazmaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+81Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.
Fake hair, fake *****, fake face, fake lips, fake height, fake nose, fake... everything. Just look at what people do to themselves. It's sad.- LordofChaosIori, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72I just can't stand to know something in a girl is fake, I'd rather have a 100% real girl, even if some say she's just "O.K." than a drop dead gorgeous plastic toy.
- xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Do you take that philosophy in all aspects of your life?
- jayesbee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36That's a good website. Here's another with some pretty ridiculous "retouches." This was on a Digg a while back:
http://www.gregapodaca.com/
Looking at these things made me wonder, "How did they choose the model they chose in the first place?" The end result looks almost nothing like the real person. - Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Interesting hobby for a ninja...
- cosmoberry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+116More young people need to see stuff like this. At least with more experience with programs like Photoshop, it will be clear that no image can be taken at 'face value'. In my advertising class I teach to high school students, I am constantly trying to show them how images are manipulated. The doctoring of photos of the war in the middle east is another great example. We need to stop perpetuating unrealistic standards.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Someone dugg you down. I fixed it ; )
And true. Everything you see in teen mags has been photoshopped. Nobody is that perfect.
And I'm feeling odd a bit digging you up. Cosmo. Teen mag. cosmoberry ... digg user. : P - PixelVision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33The camera never lies... Photoshop is required
- TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@cosmoberry, @HellifIno I dugg you guys up a point. Yes, more young girls need to hear the message that they don't have to look like a stick thin super model to be beautiful. France is already taking steps to change things like setting legal standards on weight of fashion models. Ultra-thin stick figure models are out, more natural looking is in. Hopefully the rest of the fashion world will follow there example.
- Memitim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12How are they promoting a standard? I thought the idea when selling beauty products was to present the product in the best possible light, which would mean the apex of beauty. Advertisers don't set the standards of beauty, the viewers do. They try to provide the appearance that gives the most appeal. I'm sorry if you are unhappy about being average looking or even ugly but I'll be damned if I'm going to try and brainwash myself into thinking that extraordinarily beautiful women are not as attractive as plain women just to buffer your self-esteem.
We all have advantages and flaws. I have a high level of intelligence but am pretty plain looking and have the athletic abilities of your average piece of popcorn. Trying to change human perception is just as pointless as trying to make unintelligent people feel smarter, rather than accentuating their other strengths such as mechanical ability, charisma, or athletic prowess. Hell, George W. Bush is dumber than a stump and looks like a dick that just can't quite get fully hard, but he became the President of the United States.
If you don't look all that great either a) do something about it, like drag your fat ass out for a run a few times a week and wash that blotchy face, or b) shut up. Especially if you are a woman since you really don't have to hit the genetic lottery to be attractive to men, just don't have the physique of a shar-pei and the complexion of a large sausage and mushroom pizza. Don't blame everyone else for not thinking that your nasty ass isn't attractive just because you want to be. I had a buddy when I was in the Navy who was a world-class chubby-chaser. We called him King Hogger for his predilection toward the plus-200 variety of behemoth, and he wore that title proudly. He knew what he liked and he went after it. He never let others set his standard of beauty for him and I'll be damned if I will do the same.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Someone dugg you down. I fixed it ; )
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Wow, so it is cheaper to hire a bunch of make up artists and an experienced photo editor than it is to hire a decent looking model from the start?
..next step...not even a real person...realistic CG 3D models...no more having to worry about modeling a person anymore...- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16That's a definite yes. Not to mention that not a single person actually looks like the end result of the video, so why not hire a cheaper model and do the rest in photoshop? That's kind of the point of this video: our perception of beauty is so distorted because what we see on billboards are not what actual models look like.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"..next step...not even a real person...realistic CG 3D models...no more having to worry about modeling a person anymore..."
(NSFW)
http://www.highfiber.org/content.php?s=images&ss=&a=view&id=161 - ogre2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@wootery
Nice! That made my day.
- codemeister, on 10/12/2007, -31/+6WTB Photoshop for RL pst
- scimitar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30No you don't, no one buys Photoshop.
- lilmoocow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Very interesting video, very much worth watching. I can't help but wonder though, is Dove also succumbing to this type of "evolution"?
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nah, not like they sell beauty products or anything.
Oh wait...
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nah, not like they sell beauty products or anything.
- Decepticon217, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Simply amazing.
mass media and mtv need to be nerfed. - Nicklogan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Natural beauty is what you, yourself perceive as beautiful. Not something that can ever be described as to what it is. What I might perceive as beautiful say a rusted fiesta, "Joe down the street" might think that its a piece of *****. Over all its just corporations just telling you what you need to buy.
- thatbox, on 10/12/2007, -12/+75Why does every girl deserve to feel beautiful? Does every guy deserve to feel awesome at sports? Some people are adjective A, some people aren't. The people who aren't might be adjective B, though!
- cosmoberry, on 10/12/2007, -14/+35wow, I guess you have no idea about how young women and women in general think! The perception of self image is tied to self worth, and reinforced by everything around us in society. So, if you're not 'adjective a', its not easy to shrug it off and move on, when images bombard you of what you're supposed to be and like.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34Ehm, not to sound TOO gay, but ... guys can feel beautiful too. They generally use different words for it, but the end result is the same.
And no, I'm not gay. : P I'm just sayin' - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Cosmoberry:
The same goes for guys and sports. But it IS easy to shrug off the various stereotypes if you want to. Whether you want to or not is another matter. It's all well and good thinking 'bah, I don't care about sports/beauty products/whatever', if you then think, 'well, I'd like to fit in with my friends, so I'll just play along'. The same goes in the opposite way, so it's a vicious cycle. - Daniel591992, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2lol^
that sounded gay :P - danmanmktng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's much worse for a girl to be ugly than for a guy to be bad at sports -- guys who are bad at sports can still redeem themselves in the eyes of the opposite sex in others ways .... unattractive girls have a harder time of it.
- korimickster, on 10/12/2007, -28/+26Great ad, but the Dove campaign is complete *****. Self esteem fund? We have bigger things to worry about. Little Jenny thinks her hair is ugly? There are millions dead in Africa from AIDS and Dove seems to find this ***** more important.
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44It's relevant HERE, in Dove's audience. I don't think they're moving too much soap over there. And this might surprise you, but they sell soap to make money. They're a capitalist entity.
Shocking and indefensible, I know. - JoshuaLaskin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50You have to realize, Dove isn't a charity..
They make cosmetics and shampoo and whatnot.
This is a great ad campaign because SOMEBODY has to do it.
Not everybody cant fight AIDS or end world hunger, but they're doing their part to make it so girls don't set realistic standards of beauty. - Jarasmen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36"The death rate for eating disorders is high: it ranges between 18% (in 20-year studies) and 20% (in 30-year follow-up studies). In fact, the annual death rate associated with anorexia is more than 12 times higher than the annual death rate due to all other causes combined for females between 15 and 24 years old."
from: http://www.nedic.ca/knowthefacts/statistics.shtml
Yeah, sure, no problem there. - HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@Joshua
I'm quite sure you meant "unrealistic" standards... - korimickster, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5@Jarasmen
Anorexic girls are hurting themselves. Children born into AIDS have no control. - Jarasmen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Maybe so, but they deserve help too. Besides, it's charity - if you don't want to help, you don't have to.
- sabaoth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@korimickster
I can see you haven't met an anorexic girl. They don't want to hurt themselves and they really don't enjoy being anorexic, it is a psychological problem and the result of the tremendous pressure our society puts upon them. Women who don’t look like the unrealistic standards of beauty are constantly being told they look like ***** and aren’t worth enough. Me, you and everyone is responsible for that. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Korimickster, what are you doing on digg? Obviously you think it's more important than going out and doing charity work or raising money for 3rd world countries...
If we focused everything on solving one problem everything else would go to ***** - aussia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Dove's campaign is a good thing, and I appreciate it's message but it's still showing only "beautiful" people, just not hollywood beautiful. There's a lot of ugly people out there, and a lot of the "ugliness" is because of class issues, i.e. bad teeth (because dentistry is expensive) bad hair (because good haircuts are expensive) body issues (because good healthy food is expensive).
As a note, one of my friends from another board posted this a while back, which I thought was interesting. I post it because while Dove is doing good things, I think we still need to question things.
"*ring ring*
Child: Hello? Mama, it's for you. I think it's a telemarketer.
Caller: Hi this is Cammie from DOVE. Let me assure you this is not a solicitation, I represent an advocacy organization for young families, and we'd like to ask for your opinion. Do you have a few moments?
Mom: Sure.
Caller: It seems today that ratings are getting more and more lenient, and television for young viewers is becoming edgier every day. Many parents feel there is nothing they can do about this but monitor what their children watch.
Mom: That's exactly what they should be doing.
Caller: *pause* OK, then. Do you have any children or grandchildren under the age of 16?
Mom: Yes, I do.
Caller: Our organization is proposing that we enact stricter standards for television and movies and ...
Mom: You are absolutely, 100% dead wrong. There is no need to child-proof the media.
Caller: Well apparently you don't fit our demographic, so I won't waste any more of your time.
*click*
You know what the best part is? My 10-year-old was happily watching "Shark Attack: Spring Break" while this conversation was taking place." - Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@aussia
You're thinking of the DOVE foundation. They are not the same as Dove soap (which is actually Unilever Corp). The DOVE foundation is a fake marketing firm that is trying to push a neo-political, religious-biased agenda for the purposes of censoring movies and other media. They use predatory and dishonest practices in their "telemarketing" so as to get around the US Federal do-not-call list. In short, they're a bunch of asshats and have no relationship to Dove soap.
More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_Foundation
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44It's relevant HERE, in Dove's audience. I don't think they're moving too much soap over there. And this might surprise you, but they sell soap to make money. They're a capitalist entity.
- ollj, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Priceless.
I like self-critic public relations.
Dove was also the first one to use "pretty old" models, right? - brindon, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31Only in our blind, idiot-driven society could viral marketing be positioned as cause advertising and so readily swallowed whole by the public at large.
This is an ad for Dove, morons!- EPeters, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19It's not like we are not COMPLETELY aware of this before. We all know that photos are heavily touched up before an ad is released. Dove admitting to this is *****, too. I would be like President Bush saying that he made a "small" mistake planing the invasion of Iraq. "Really", gasps the crowd, "We hadn't a ***** clue!" However, they are aiming this campaign at women of all types and ages and if it works, then good for them. It doesn't hurt to throw some good karma out there.
- jayesbee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Um, no *****, Sherlock. We know it's an ad. Part of the point is, advertising's not going away. If irresponsible advertising has contributed to social problems, then perhaps "responsible" advertising can help counteract that.
There's nothing wrong with praising advertising that's not evil, even if it's not perfect. - MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't really care if it is an ad... I already use Dove and don't really have any good reason to switch.
- TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15I guess it's my personal taste, but the end result of that woman doesn't look all that good looking to me either. Just more "made up" and obviously "fake" looking. The message seems to be: We can take a fugly chick and make her look... better in a fake way.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25She's not fugly at all. At worst, I'd call her "common". Photoshop+makeup/hair made her look kinda uncommon. Yeah, bury away. But at least I'm honest : P
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10You think she's ugly....
...you have some serious vanity issues.
- LordofChaosIori, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47I bet they do this with those guy Abercrombie and Finch models too, no way us normal guys can compete agains those photoshopped guys!
They should make a line of make up, call it photoshop, and it would be the best make up out there. - davodavo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Dove is owned by the Unilever Group, the same company that owns the borderline-misogynist Axe brand of body spray and Slim-Fast.
This seems really disingenuous.
http://www.knowmore.org/index.php/The_Unilever_Group- Rizmaster, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4ooooo Axe is misogynist!!!!!
Jesus. Axe is ***** deoderant, that's what Axe is. Who cares about the ad campaign? - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9actually lynx, what you call axe, is pretty popular in a lot of the world
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, that's a very useful site to Google bookmark.
Knowmore.org.
- Rizmaster, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4ooooo Axe is misogynist!!!!!
- Rizmaster, on 10/12/2007, -14/+38Yeah, but the thing to remember is fat chicks are still fat chicks.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Photographs and TV completely change how a person looks. I remember looking at a photograph of some woman thinking she was ugly, but in person she was cute as hell. It's not even that there are different standards, it's that people look different in different media. Women would be wise to recognize that what works in real life is not the same as what they see on TV, and to not aspire to such an appearance not because it's shallow and a product of male chauvinistic pig oppression (or a cynical Dove ad campaign), but because it's not real life.
- etnu, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Not everyone deserves to feel "beautiful" because some people are actually ugly. The problem, as I see it, is that we don't emphasise the "normal" much these days. "Normal" isn't "ugly" by any stretch of the imagination, but these days I notice more and more people thinking that "normal" *is* ugly.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Fake breasts and anemic rail thin frames are not attractive or healthy. However, this is the standard of beauty that kids this days have to live up to.
- m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+5they used a mac
- ChzPlz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4the video should go back even further to get her pre-plastic surgery shots.
- brindon, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36Again...this is an ad for Dove.
It is a brilliant combination of a viral campaign that masquerades as a "cause advertising" campaign. It is designed to make you feel good - AND THEN YOU GO OUT AND SPEND MONEY ON DOVE. They don't care if the street is littered with the corpses of dead anorexics, as long as you BUY MORE DOVE.
It is an ad! Nothing more.- hlrober, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I totally agree.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That's false.
NOTHING in this ad is truly pro Dove soap/creams. No thing. Not a bit. They don't even MENTION their products in the vid. This a surprisingly raw show of what happens before the photo shoot and also before the magazine article.
Ad for dove? Nope. It is on their site, but it's not an ad. - bking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3hellifino: It is an ad for dove. Not the video itself as much as the whole campaign.
"dove cares, we want you to know the truth about what all those other companies do to make you feel ugly, well, we care about you and use 'normal' women as models"
Dove is not a nonprofit consumer education program, and they wouldn't invest money in this idea if it wouldn't come back to them. Dove is making themselves look like the good guys, and boosting their "100% natural" schtick by making everybody else look toxic and fake.
If Dove truly were doing this for the sake of education, we wouldn't know it was Dove's work at all. - Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@bking
You're thinking of the Dove foundation, no relation to Dove soap. See my post above or here for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_Foundationre
- Traz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Click to compare her faces
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4594/evolutionqc9.jpg- joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Who in their right mind, looking at the middle picture, would turn her into the Alien freak at the bottom?
The one which is actually her, all made up, is by far the most attractive one.
And if the girl was slightly more attractive in the photoshopped version, then wouldn't that make this little "adver-pain(?)" have a bit more of a point?
Actually I'm not sure if Dove are exaggerating or magazine editors and advertising executives would actually think the last picture is better.
- joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Who in their right mind, looking at the middle picture, would turn her into the Alien freak at the bottom?
- jdavid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1that was beautiful
- wuha, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4self esteem fund? why not CANCER FUND?
- myheaditches, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why not AIDS? How could you ignore such a deadly and contagious disease?
Charities for cancer and AIDS are noble causes, but so are all other charities. Just because it isn't widespread or immediately life threatening doesn't mean it isn't something we should care about. Not everyone can fight for the same cause because then all the other causes are ignored and could become bigger problems.
- myheaditches, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why not AIDS? How could you ignore such a deadly and contagious disease?
- pile0nades, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Before > After
- h4rdcor3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I agree with you dude.
It's the person that we like it's the imperfections that we love
- h4rdcor3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I agree with you dude.
- musicalmechanic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21You know, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take flak for this and get dugg down, but I've just read a good dozen (and that's being nice) comments on how this is just an ad campeign, and they are doing it for the profit.
@ korimickste:
You know, at least they are trying. Just because they aren't devoting their resources toward solving the worlds problems and throwing money at poor countries doesn't mean they should be bashed for it. If your gonna take that kind of stance, why don't you just say that we shouldn't buy school books for our kids or celebrate Christmas? It's just a waste, and I'm sure the kids with AIDS in Africa could use that money more.
And I don't mean to pick on korimickste, there were a bunch of other people who said it's just an ad campeign, nothing more.
My point is that the fact that they even have a campeign like this is positive. It doesn't matter that they are out to make money. They're a business, that's what they are supposed to do. But as a company, if you can do good, and make a profit, that's the best of both worlds. Your a business, your supposed to make money. People seem to forget that.
There is such a thing as a Corporate Conscience. Just not all corporations have them, there's a difference. And not all problems can be solved by throwing buckets of money at it, sometimes you need to change people's perceptions and attitudes.
/rant - whisperedlie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13she was good looking before. afterwards she looked like some sort of alien.
- nutssy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Only superficial and shallow people with no self esteem are disturbed by appearances.I think they deserve every bit of the misery they put themself through for feeling "not adequate" about themselves.Pressure to look beautiful so you can hook up....boo hoo. Isn't that what its all about...think about it.
- troopa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The ideal image of beauty affects everyone to a degree, not just people with low self-esteem.
- bryrb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah. that's exactly it. people are just trying to hook up. and feeling bad about appearances has nothing to do with the enormous amount of pressure society puts on girls to be beautiful. it's just because they're shallow people. God, why didn't we all realize this before?! :D
- xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I work in the porn industry and it isn't for no reason that most porn shoots are on afternoons. The mornings are usually for makeup and hair stylists. It is rare you see video be touched up but it sometimes happens. Pictures however... everything from the DVD jacket to the pics you'll see online before downloading a video are all touched up.
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You forgot to mention all the enemas and loading the chicks' ass w/ lube before the stupid ass-pounding scenes! : P
Hell, nobody really ***** like porn flicks show. It's just not that fun. "Pounding" pretty well covers it. Sensuality is more fun. : ) - HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I realize I'm re-replying, but ... I've watched some porn recently.
Hair styling is like the LAST thing on the mind of the director, OR the makeup/hairstylists. There are far too many *ahem* "models" throwing their hair out of the way of the camera. Or getting it moved out of the way by someone.
I'd posit that "afternoon shoots" rely more on the "my actors/tresses" are AWAKE finally, rather than makeup/hair issues. But hey, you're "in the business", so I'm probably wrong : P
- HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You forgot to mention all the enemas and loading the chicks' ass w/ lube before the stupid ass-pounding scenes! : P
- CyberGhost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Photoshop > any super model
- evansls, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36This is a before and after picture of Ashlee Simpson using photoshop from a professional friend in the same business. Roll over the image to see the effect.
http://www.kraw.net/finishing/music/pages/simpson_after.htm
You can check many other professional photoshop projects here:
http://www.kraw.net/index/indexframeset.htm- Decepticon217, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Very cool, someday I wish to be as good at photoshop as him......
- Player1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28I'm sick of this. These ads make you feel bad for being attracted to thin women. It's fine to be plus sized, but you can't blame someone for being attracted to someone thinner. The simple truth is that fat is not fit. Besides, it isn't just men that are shallow. I don't see women flocking to guys with a few extra pounds.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Why was he digged down?
Fat = unfit
Bad skin = unhealty
Bad hair = unhealty - HellifIno, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2These ads? This was ONE video. O.o
- nytsua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the ads are trying to fight the unrealistic goal of being 90 pounds when you're over even 5ft. I don't think anyone is saying not to look for a healthy woman.
Would you really call that woman in that video fat? Or even the other models dove uses? I'm considered a plus size even though I'm at a healthy weight for my height and eat well. If you don't compare me to a model I'm skinny.
There's nothing healthy or fit about eating disorders which have increased in men also. (http://www.health.umd.edu/programs/eatingdisorders.html)
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Why was he digged down?
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24Why is perception of beauty is distorted?
It is not distorted.
We are an animal, we look for perfection, perfect genes.
Symmetric face = good gene.
Clean skin = good health
Fit (firm) body = good health
Clean shiny hair = good health
White eyes = good health
This video was very natural...
In Victorian era woman used corsets, pushed up there breast where high heels and white skin and so on.
1000 years ago, people dressed up, fixed there teeths, clean there hair, shaved there beard and so on.
WE look for perfection...
And so does other animals (have you every looked at birds?)
When you read old Sagas and there is a new person introduced in the "story", they usually begin do describe them.
In Icelandic Sagas of example, the "good" person is always described as a good lookin, strong, great hair, clean skin, strong back and so on.
Cleopatra, Snow White...
Look at old paintings of women (or man)...
It's unnatural to like imperfection...
It's not until recently, we have been fighting against perfection and in my opinion, that an very unhealthy way to go.- nutssy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Agreed "WE look for perfection" but just perfect appearance??? The problem starts when focus is only on perfect look at the cost of being anorexic,subjecting your body to undergo totally unnecessary surgeries,setting unrealistic standards.Its good to be clean and healthy but heyy who cares about that as long as you can cover it up.These divert any attention that anyone might give to perfecting your mind and soul. No wonder the society today is so messed up.Wrong priorities.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Do you know anyone with anorexia?
They look in the mirror and they see an fat person. They don't see them self, the same way as we do. The are maybe 25kilos but they see 75 kilos on them. Has nothing to do with beauty.
I've never met a guy (or a girl), that think anorexic patiens bautifull. There skin is pale, lips become thin and there hair become dry and liveles.
Has focus on exterior beauty become the only focus? No not at all.
Who are the "most hated" celebrity? I would say Paris Hilton and others alike.
Most loved? Scarlett Johansson, Angelina Jolie and so on.
That's only my opinion - NinjaYaddaYadda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Exactly. There's no such thing as "distorted" subjective opinions.
You might as well be saddened when a male bird fails at competition with his peers in pursuit of the harem of females. - mrteacup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think people are fighting against perfection, I think they are saying that we should not limit our understanding of attractiveness to merely physical qualities. This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective.
I agree with you that we are animals, but that doesn't mean we are reptiles. All animals choose their mates on the basis of "fitness", but its a mistake to think that, for humans, "fitness" is is just physical or biological health. Because we are very social animals, fitness for humans also means emotional and social health, because a human who is badly damaged emotionally or antisocial is going to be ejected from society and unable to pass on his or her genes. So human evolution occurs in an interpersonal and social context.
Why else would parents try to prevent their daughters from dating handsome criminals? By your standards, the parents should only care how good looking he is -- anything else is fighting against perfection. But obviously, people who mate with ethically-challenged and unempathetic individuals, no matter how good looking, tend to suffer a great deal of abuse and their children tend not to do well in the long term. - bmson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mrteacup
You make a great point. - bmson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mrteacup
But it did not mean that. I just said that we should not fight against peoples quest to find perfection (in them self's or others).
Beauty is of course in the eye of the beholder and it's not all about the exterior.
We should try to look as good as we possible can... But we should also take care of our soul and mind.
When we look for a life partner, we look for a SOUL mate. Not something that match the sofa in the living room.
But we also look for a person that we are sexually attractive to and fat and unhealthy person is not sexually attractive (to most of us), nothing wrong about that. - Darkness123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Symmetric face = good gene.
Clean skin = good health
Fit (firm) body = good health
Clean shiny hair = good health
White eyes = good health
With money you can have all that done no matter what your genes are.
- coreyb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Aughh... This is very distorted. As a "photo manipulating magazine/model director" I could have spent hours with this girl getting the same results with her in person! Sit up straight. Drop your shoulders. Raise your eyebrows. Drop your shoulders a little more. MAKE-UP. Can't you get her friggin' hair to stay?!
The girl is cute to start with. The final image is only a version of her that could be done in a fraction of the time. Time is money. For models, photographers, designers, staff, etc.
I don't condone using 0 size models, but what is the problem with making the girl as cute as she can be? Really? - LearningNerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's nice that they try to point out how much work goes into making those models look so perfect for advertisements, but at the same time, I'm sure Dove still used some makeup on those "real women" models they used before.
You could say that it's a bit hypocritical of Dove, a company that sells beauty products, to make an advertisement against fake beauty, but at the same time, I don't think they're trying to say that nobody should wear makeup or do anything to make themselves look better. Thus, we should all buy Dove products to look more "naturally" beautiful.
But hey, for an advertising campaign, it's a good thing. Whether people go out and buy Dove products or not, it does remind them that all the women they see in advertisements don't really look that good. As a teenager and a girl, I can appreciate that; those things DO make us more self-conscious, and for no good reason. Am I now more likely to buy something from Dove because they pretend to empathize with me? Maybe. Either way, I'm glad that they chose to go this route, because it'll at least spark some conversation about how the media is affecting young girls' self-esteem. And it's a brilliant campaign, obviously, because it's reaching so many people! So, bravo, Dove -- you had a great idea. - MonsoonMox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This should be on CampaignForGoodHairAndMakeupPeople.com as well.
- 2shae, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Ehmm didn't you see how bad her face was!!!
I don't think I've ever seen a girl with so many pimple scars.
And it has nothing to do with our perception of beauty being distorted.
either you like what you see or you don't.
Just like when you buy a car or clothes.
It's a natural thing...it has to do with selection (symmetry and health) and big eyes remind you of baby's. - eurocrisp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2ben jordan rules (the music is flashbulb)
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9this video did not change my opinion on beauty and women, but it did reinforce my faith in computers! did you see how easily they totally changed her features with the drag of a mouse!? (I have decided to start spending even more time with my Mac, get deep inside and not just focus on what's on the outside, after all, beauty is only skin deep)
- MrFixitx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8LOL that level of photoshop work really is not "easy". Yes its easier than plastic surgery on the model but the work shown in the commercial was probably done by someone who has been using photoshop for years and was still probably 2-4hrs if not longer of work.
In commercial photography its not unheard of for a photographer to spend 4-8hrs in photoshop on the final image. In one of my photography magazines they had an interview with a photographer who did a shoot for the lotus sports car. He said he spent about 8 hours per picture in photoshop before submitting his final images to the client.
Mr. Fixitx - daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@MrFixitx,
Are those normal hours or are they billable hours? :)
- MrFixitx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8LOL that level of photoshop work really is not "easy". Yes its easier than plastic surgery on the model but the work shown in the commercial was probably done by someone who has been using photoshop for years and was still probably 2-4hrs if not longer of work.
- zero01101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3eurocrisp: for real. dugg just for the fact that the background music was passage d.
- stinkypyper, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8The model used in this ad was really plain looking. Did you see her skin before the makeup, it was terrible. You would think a skin care company would use a model with nicer skin. We all see more attractive women then her in our every day lives. I don't even think this is a real dove ad, probably faked by a bunch of fat lesbian feminists.
As for the whole argument about fat girls being natural and that the media teaches us to hate them, I have something for you, human beings evolved in a hunter gatherer setting which meant LOTS of exercise, we are not suppossed to be fat. Being fat is unhealthy and our brains are hardwired to be attracted to healthy. You can't change this.
If you think this issue only affects women then look at the muscle bound image Hollywood depicts of men involves a lot of steroids. - limbuster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3One word for this. Wow. But how did they do it before photoshop was here?
- mta3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5airbrushed :) real airbrushed - spraypainting really
- steketem, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0anyone else think this is a slight rip-off of the Noah video on youtube? Timelapse, phillip glass piano like music...don't take this the wrong way. Kudos to Dove for doing this, but you have to wonder if the marketing people behind this comm'l watch youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B26asyGKDo- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Oh, so that's the guy who invented time-lapse and piano music?
Could have sworn I've seen the two used together a hundred times before, must have been imagining things
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Oh, so that's the guy who invented time-lapse and piano music?
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I usually like the natural look the best. For one, a crap load of makeup really can make a girl look fake. And second, the way they look without makeup is what you are going to wake up to in the morning. I actually liked how the woman looked before they did all the makeup. Maybe a little makeup helps but all that crap load amount really tones down her natural features.
- SyncItUp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its not for the fact being of what their doing, its just the general nature of pointing out that this is just one of the many things that have been making a lot of people now a days think they have to go through all that to either be appealing or noticed in the way of attention from others.
- psych0fish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7For anyone wondering the song in the background is "Passage D" by "The Flashbulb"
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