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- supferrets, on 06/01/2009, -2/+42"In case you're wondering, the United States, with an average life expectancy of 77.85, ranks 48th."
Woo! Top 50! USA! USA! - pissshivers, on 06/01/2009, -0/+39List:
10. Guernsey: 80.42 Years
9. Australia: 80.50 Years
8. Switzerland: 80.51 (tied)
7. Sweden: 80.51 Years (tied)
6. Japan: 81.25 Years
5. Hong Kong: 81.59 Years
4. Singapore: 81.71 Years (tied)
3. San Marino: 81.71 Years (tied)
2. Macau: 82.19 Years
1. Andorra: 83.51 Years - ontain, on 05/31/2009, -4/+40look at that. US not even in the top ten. if they did a Top spent per person on Healthcare I bet we'd make it.
- STBAT25, on 05/31/2009, -0/+35Here you go http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per- ...
- afterlife23, on 06/01/2009, -0/+29Why do they have to put it on 10 separate pages? Does it have something to do with ads?
- inactive, on 05/31/2009, -19/+45Pretty much debunks the United States' ridiculous capitalist health care system.
- jeremymccurdy, on 06/01/2009, -0/+16To be fair, it doesn't really matter how good your health system is if your people are poor and starving. If the embargo was lifted we'd probably see that rank rise dramatically.
- jeremymccurdy, on 06/01/2009, -3/+19Just in case anyone wanted to know, Canada is #14. Our "socialist paradise" is doing quite well.
- athinnes, on 10/01/2009, -6/+21A different but complete list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ ...
I find it very interesting the country of wine and cigarettes is #8. That damn socialized health care and its efficiency. - prattmic, on 06/01/2009, -0/+15Yes.
- DouglasQ, on 06/01/2009, -1/+15I'm moving over there when I'm at my country's life expectancy.
- LeMAD, on 06/01/2009, -2/+14So there is no middle ground communism and 100% free market? Btw Cuba is a third world country.
There is a reason why most advanced countries use public healthcare: it's simply more efficient economically. The US would be a lot richer if healthcare and education were not controlled by the private sector. - eramos, on 06/01/2009, -3/+15lol @ Macau/Andorra/whatever the *****. Let's take super small rich people havens out of the equation, shall we?
- Xaevier, on 06/01/2009, -0/+12It's based on %s how does that change anything?
- sr243, on 06/01/2009, -8/+19Fail. HK and Macau are not countries.
- twomeyw23334, on 06/01/2009, -4/+14There's a million factors, cultural lifestyles, working habits, etc. The U.S. is the most obese country in the world and is consistently ranked among one of the top 10 hardest working. We also take little vacation. We tend to work hard / play hard. We also have an extremely diverse population which will always bring us down in comparison to a homogeneous society such as many of those on the list. Anyone who wants to claim the failure/success of health care in a specific country purely on longevity is smoking some good stuff.
The best way to look at the quality of care is to..... look at the actual quality of care. If you look at the average time to death after being diagnosed with specific types of cancer, for example, America will kick the crap out of all your favorite "socialist" countries. Of course, not everyone can afford care in the U.S., and that's the problem (NOT the quality of potential care available)
But since you called our system capitalist, it pretty much debunks any claim you're attempting to make anyways.
http://freedomkeys.com/medigraph3.jpg - mithrasinvictus, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10Efficient free market Singapore has universal healthcare.
- afterlife23, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10too bad everyone uses adblock plus
- MrFisty, on 06/01/2009, -1/+10See, even though everything here in Australia is out to kill you, you'll still live longer than most of the rest of the world.
As long as stingrays aren't involved. - alphgeek, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8Summary:
1/ Andorra 83.51 years
2/ Macau 82.19 years
3/ San Marino 81.71 years (tied)
4/ Singapore 81.71 years (tied)
5/ Hong Kong 81.59 years
6/ Japan 81.25 years
7/ Sweden 80.51 years (tied)
8/ Switzerland 80.51 years (tied)
9/ Australia 80.50 years
10/ Guernsey 80.42 years - jeremymccurdy, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8Most people on Digg anyway, most people in general don't.
- twomeyw23334, on 06/01/2009, -0/+7Longevity!? That's for wimps. We're still the most obese. That's right, we're number 1 baby!!!
- nullcodes, on 06/01/2009, -1/+8When a person with an infectious disease is unable to get healthcare, he puts not only himself at risk .. but also other members of the general public. Since health ailments are not always caused by one's irresponsibility or bad choices, it should be seen by government safety issue and therefore it's something that the government (taxpayers) should fund. People who cause their own health ailments should obviously have to pay for it (like if you prank call 911 etc)
Why is it that police and military can get taxpayer funding but healthcare cant? Not everyone wants police or military protection, and most people havent even done stuff to need protection from them. People can carry their own guns and protect themselves. I don't need to pay someone to give me a speeding ticket.
Why can't the military and police be 100% privately funded? Not everyone supports every war, why should people who don't want to support certain wars have to pay for it? Why should people have to pay for other people's foreign policies? - rolf, on 06/01/2009, -1/+8People probably not stressing themselves to death on how to pay their medical bills or how the hospitals gouge them for routine things ($10 for a single aspirin?)
- DouglasQ, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6I'll move there moments prior.
- neelshiv, on 06/01/2009, -2/+8I get the impression that a lot of people here really don't understand why figures like this are kept track of. It is not to measure the efficiency of health care systems, or to say that the US is sweet and should be number one, or to say anything of that nature really.
Development statistics are looked at as time series to track the general welfare of a population. Numbers like average life expectancy, mortality rate, fertility rate, percentage of population who complete primary education, and any number of other statistics have a lot to say about how a country is doing.
People are using this opportunity to either go on a rant about universal healthcare vs private healthcare or to say that this list means nothing. By itself it means nothing, but you better believe that a country who goes from a life expectancy of 40 to a life expectancy of 60 in a matter of ten years is jumping for joy. This, of course, is not a complete indication of the status of a country, but it is an improvement.
These numbers are not really meant to be looked at as a snapshot. They are supposed to tell a story that developmental economists use to determine whether or not policy is helping the people of a country. It would be better to leave your arguments about health care at the door, because this number is only one of the many measures of welfare and development. A longer life in greater poverty, with lower literacy rates, high levels of political unrest, and a large amounts of inequality is not necessarily a better life. - mithrasinvictus, on 06/01/2009, -1/+7Even Singapore has universal healthcare, get with the program already.
- inactive, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6I don't understand how you can't be in favour of socialized healthcare. at all.
like, even remotely.
I don't understand how you couldn't care about the general welfare of your entire society. hell, it's bad enough we fight and kill ourselves over imaginary lines drawn in sand hundreds of years ago - all civilized societies should want to help their society flourish. Healthcare and education are the only way for that to happen. - hakkola, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6HK is in fact, not a country. The relationship with the Chinese government is even referred to as, "1 country, 2 systems."
People burying you don't know what they're doing.
You're right about Macau as well, I didn't know that. - MrCrissypoo, on 06/01/2009, -3/+8It's no secret our health care fails, it's powered by profit and corporate benefit; rather than HEALTH overall.
It doesn't take a single article to debunk why our health care is faulty, our very constitution grants certain freedoms and principles, surprisingly "health for everyone" isn't in there.
But hey, at least we can have guns right? Just as long as you don't get shot, you won't have to lose your home paying medical bills. - theaceoface, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Interesting list but please: All on one page!
- athinnes, on 10/01/2009, -0/+5The point was the French are very high on list considering their unhealthy habits.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dai_smo-heal ... - Skywise, on 06/01/2009, -3/+8And Cuba with its fantastic public health care system is 76th on the list...
- ZenMojo, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Puerto Rico's got a higher life expectancy than us. No wonder they don't want to join the Union...they'd lose like six months off their lives.
- nullcodes, on 06/01/2009, -2/+7Basically, this article is saying something that doesnt agree with your worldview so you have decided to hide behind something that even you clearly don't understand. How is this article wrong?
Why don't you tell us what your real problem is? - Yazilliclick, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Not really. It has a lot to do with your very large poor population who doesn't have any health care coverage that drags down your average. Sure they may get some minimal amount of care to get through an emergency but they can't afford regular checkups or to go in before things become serious because if they do they can find themselves broke and unable to pay their rent.
Although of course lifestyle differences also play a part. - leonwho, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5haha. it's downright filthy in new york too. you just have to find the right places.
oh, and the fact that they aren't sitting pieces of lard probably helps. - xerexes1, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Wolfram Alpha has a slightly different ranking:
http://www34.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=longest+lif ...
1 | Macau | 84.4 yr |
2 | Andorra | 82.5 yr |
3 | Japan | 82.1 yr |
4 | Singapore | 82 yr |
5 | San Marino | 82 yr |
6 | Hong Kong | 81.9 yr |
7 | Australia | 81.6 yr |
8 | Canada | 81.2 yr |
9 | France | 81 yr |
10 | Sweden | 80.9 yr | - Spinducky08, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4#9 Australia?
Not if you're being chased by a group of post-apocalyptic marauding nomads, hell bent on taking your last drop of gasoline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4TdPxOXuYw - rolf, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4Damn! We're #30, below Puerto, a US territory!
- leonwho, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4damnn.
it's $4 for ethopia. - alexra, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4I think our low life expentancy might have something to do with our increasingly sendatary life styles, the tv, the computer, the type of food we consume, especially the food, when I went back to europe to visit my grandparents and family I noticed something, the food is very good, and quite healthy, natural, not like the food here, I love it, but its so damn bad for us, its amazing were even in 48th place.
- bbhill, on 06/16/2009, -1/+5It doesn't help that the US is filled with fatasses. . .
- nullcodes, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4Not if you made it past year 5, life expectancy goes up dramatically after that.
- alexra, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4lots of countries consume just as much fat as we do here in america, but the difference is the life style, if you've ever been across the ocean, and seen how the other side lives you'd know why were #48, europeans just walk more, and they go out more, america is much more materialistic, where in europe its much more important to go out with friends, walk around, actually move. plus europe is much more walk friendly, we have sidewalks, but do you ever really see anyone walking in america, its really sad, thats why I like going to europe, I feel much better when i'm over there, i feel more active, plus the people over here are much nicer, and nicer people live longer. There aren't annoying conservatives over here either, so thats also a good thing, only america has annoying conservatives, I always get the feeling that other countries don't have to deal with people like that, you know the fox news type, maybe thats why they live longer to.
- KingGorilla, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4"There will never be peace or satisfaction on a global level."
We can try - Ymeg, on 06/01/2009, -3/+7The US is hardly capitalist, and the chart does not take into account many other variables.
In general, the people of the US engage in more dangerous activities than the countries up on this list. Over eating, smoking, more dangerous physical labor, etc. I'm certain that the people from Andorra do not have a culture of risk, unlike the US.
Also, we spend more per person than every country on that list. - rolf, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4While I recognize the Canadian system isn't perfect, as an American, I once went to the hospital for a deep slash to my leg. I was there 3 hours, mostly waiting around. One doctor saw me once for 90 seconds to appraise the wound, then I had an x-ray taken to make sure no metal was in the wound (looked at another doctor for less than 30 seconds), and the rest of the time I was either taken care of by a nurse or mostly alone. Nurse cleaned out wound with iodine, gave me a tetanus shot, some type of caine (like novacaine), shaved it, and stiched it with a staple gun. All the nurses time on that was less than 15 minutes on that. The X-Ray I'll add another 10 minutes or less.
I was uninsured. My bill? (I got several invoices) $4300. Un-freakin-believable. (I'm sure insurance would have gotten away with $500 or less). I would have gone to a regular doctor, but it happened on Sunday and they were closed.
On the other hand, I had my wisdom teeth taken out several months later. It included a preliminary exam, Xrays, the surgery, and a seperate post-op exam. The 2-hour surgery had an anathesiologist to administer whatever it was (and monitor me), the mallofacial surgeon, and a nurse helping him. Total cost? $1350 for everything. I considered that a good price. I notice all the dental work I had pretty reasonable in health care, although most of it is planned out by me and thus more free market (not urgent and need to make a choice).
There is something definitely wrong with the rest of the health-care system. I would hate to see what someone with a real injury gets billed. - ptFoe, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4they have a socialist society but with a capitalist economy
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