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- ChrisOrr, on 05/04/2009, -4/+69Take that "imprisonment for profit" business, you can take that 27 million dollar prison and shove it up your ass. No one should profit off of people going to prison, that sets up some major ***** conflicts of interest, to say the least.
- PlusTheBear, on 05/04/2009, -1/+44FTA: Montana prohibits the incarceration of prisoners convicted out of state.
Epic fail. - Jarhead085, on 05/04/2009, -0/+27I don't understand how people are afraid of these Gitmo detainees. I doubt they are more dangerous than other high security prisoners here in the states.
- disparue, on 05/04/2009, -0/+25Private companies who run the contracts for prisons do contribute to the campaigns of elected judicial officials though.
- DarthMonkey, on 05/04/2009, -1/+23Looks like the city's fathers never played SimCity. You don't build a prison near a town!
- SpinningHead, on 05/04/2009, -0/+17Judges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html? ...
@maxvette
"yes, we should definitely have the cities pay for that, they have so much money."
Huh? The corporations don't pay for it. They just profit from it and are less accountable than the government agencies paying for it. - Grova, on 05/04/2009, -3/+17Real title...Montana town that wanted money.
- beloitpiper, on 05/04/2009, -1/+14Yeah, they build a huge prison and then are scared of putting people in it?
- blacktriangle, on 05/04/2009, -1/+13The Prison Industrial Complex.
- diggydougie, on 05/04/2009, -0/+11Building prisons to stimulate the local economy is a very dangerous thing. It leads to a dependence on the incarcerated to support the local businesses. This in turn leads to a 0 tolerance mentality in order to fill up the jails. So in order to support the prison economy we pass ever stricter laws and ever stricter enforcement. We already have the highest percentage of the population in prison as it is. Are there really more criminals (per capita) today than in the past?
- PeppermintPig, on 05/04/2009, -0/+11They'll just have to find more things to make crimes, then they can surely fill that prison! :P
/How it works! - medieval, on 05/04/2009, -0/+10well, good thing none of the Gitmo prisoners have been officially convicted of anything
- 1longtime, on 05/04/2009, -0/+10You really don't see the conflict of interest? Really?
The US already has the highest percentage of jailed citizens in the world. We don't need more jails, we need to stop using jail as a catch-all for non-violent crime. Building a jail to create jobs creates a dangerous dependency on inmates. It's a fast track to a zero-tolerance police state. - wardsac, on 05/04/2009, -3/+13When I win the lottery I'm moving to Montana. If I can get my closest neighbors to be a 2 hour drive away, I'll sign the deed to the land right now.
Montana Rules. - bkraj, on 05/04/2009, -2/+10Lived in Montana all my life, and can't say I could have told you where Hardin is until I looked it up. Eastern Montana through to North Dakota is just flat, empty, and full of native americans who hate white boys.
It's pretty sweet. - FrequencyX, on 05/04/2009, -0/+7Yes it is very good, but good luck trying to find a neighbor that far away anymore.
- Hetman, on 05/04/2009, -0/+6You are really trying to make a comparison of private property, your apartment and federal property prisons? Prisons might make a profit. But they are funded by tax payers.
- mikbunn, on 05/04/2009, -0/+6Until they're proven to be through a trial, no, no they are not.
Just because they wear funny hats doesn't make them not human. - manjas8, on 05/04/2009, -0/+6We do have it pretty good up here.
- OrangeTide, on 05/04/2009, -3/+9If prisons could actually be for-profit without bleeding tax payers for money then I am all for it. But the current system just involves for-profit prisons as a way to shuffle money from taxpayers to a handful of wealthy individuals with well-connected friends in the government.
- OrangeTide, on 05/04/2009, -1/+7More like, unemployed people would like to have a job.
- MeatMountain, on 05/04/2009, -0/+5Gitmo is a Haliburton project. Did you think Cheney would pick you because you were cheaper or something? Capitalism is only for us little people.
- spepin, on 05/04/2009, -2/+7What a great way to bring the community together!
/s - Howitzer86, on 05/04/2009, -0/+5I'm confused as to how they can be more afraid of imprisoned terrorists than some of the psychopaths they could have otherwise incarcerated there.
If they were to have a BTK-like murderer to house there, are they going to say, "no no, he's too scary, put him somewhere else."?
It's crazy.
If you build a prison, you should expect to put bad people in it. - manjas8, on 05/04/2009, -0/+5We don't want anymore ***** californians up here in Montana thank you very much.
- woofers07, on 05/04/2009, -4/+8Hardin is a complete *****.
- inactive, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4I'm all for making a buck
but don't you see the problem with the business of jailing people?
you have to rely on people committing crime to make any money
you have to lockup more people to grow.
most people don't commit violent crimes so you have to lobby your state congress to outlaw some new stuff to increase your customer base. - jgopp, on 05/04/2009, -1/+5That was a horribly bland article.
- timtimes, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4There should be plenty of excess jail capacity once we free all the non violent drug criminals and dope smokers to make room for all the real criminals.
Enjoy. - KimmyGibbler, on 05/04/2009, -0/+4That doesn't change the fact that judges could have a financial stake in convictions if prisons are private. Two judges already got busted for doing this in Pennsylvania
- Hetman, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3I agree, you might as well pay people to dig wholes and fill them back up. Arresting non-violent criminals with out giving them the therapy they need, causes way more harm than good. 85% of offenders who go to jail end up returning to jail. Therapy works on non-violent offenders about 65% of the time. I think we should be focusing on helping these people, not buidling more prisons to fill up.
- catxors, on 05/04/2009, -1/+4But then they wouldn't have any incentive to find productive work. We already imprison too many people. Every new-built prison should fail like this.
- funkedup, on 05/04/2009, -2/+5No they won't...they'll just find someone or something else to blame it on.
- OrangeTide, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3California would love to ship off its prison population there, if only they would let us.
- PaisleyTeal, on 05/04/2009, -1/+4have you even been to hardin? i spent a year there one week. godforsaken dump.
- manjas8, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3Shut your mouth bearsbox. You know ***** about this state.
- mohajaf, on 05/04/2009, -0/+3All Native Americans got is the "flat, empty" land. Hmmm ... I wonder why they "hate the white boy".
- wardsac, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2Well, even if it's not THAT far, at least far enough away that I don't hear the couple living there yelling at each other will be an upgrade!
- rif42, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2They had expected to get inmates like Paris Hilton, and perhaps a dozen parking offenders or so.
- funkedup, on 05/04/2009, -3/+5Bagram = the new Gitmo. The public will soon find out about this, and Obama won't be able to hide any longer.
- strictnein, on 05/04/2009, -2/+4I don't know. He's just renamed half of what Bush did (and is most likely going to bring back the military trials) but people haven't caught on to that yet. Maybe they'll catch on when there are still 100,000+ troops in Iraq past his 18 month deadline and Gitmo is still open? Who knows...
- Colecoman1982, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2@solid12345: Yes, it is. I don't know about rehab centers in particular, but I know similar medical centers like nursing homes have all sorts of problems because they treat their patients like cattle. The more they can pack in, and the less service they provide per person, the higher their profits. It may just be that these different industries have different ways they exhibit this conflict of interest. One reason for it might be that the prison system has had close ties with slavery in this country since the end of the civil war. In the south, black people were often sent to prison on pretexts where they were used as, de-facto, slave labor making license plates, chain gangs, etc. regardless of whether they actually committed any crime. It was a profitable business just as legalized slavery had been before.
- unhookt, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2They can have some of California's inmates. The prisons here are bursting at the seams.
- FrequencyX, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2Lived in Montana all my life and I approve of this message.
- Rhythmismt, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2Eastern Montana gets a bad rap all the time, but I grew up near Hardin (Billings) and it has some of the most beautiful country anywhere. Yes, it is dry and flat and empty, but I'd take the thunderstorms and the sunsets and the Beartooths any day for it.
Also, I have no idea where you get the idea that it's full of native americans who hate white boys. - Howitzer86, on 05/04/2009, -0/+2There can be more criminals if people are dissatisfied with their decreasing quality of life. The easiest solution is to build more prisons and pass more laws. If we keep doing that though, our quality of life could continue to plummet, coming full circle.
- bigplrbear, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1Original submission- http://digg.com/travel_places/The_Montana_Town_Tha ...
damn power users >_< - Scira, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1Maybe they should turn it into a concert hall?
- inactive, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1I've never known anyone who has gone to prison just for weed, most get slapped with a big fine and serve maybe a few days in jail and do community service.
Alleged "non-violent offenders" in prison for Dope are usually there because they made a plea bargain on the dope in exchange for not pleading guilty to something more serious like smacking around their girlfriend a bit or robbing a store. - trevorh, on 05/04/2009, -0/+1Montana has a democratic senators, a democrat as governor, and a state house and senate that is split down the middle. The state does tend to go republican in the presidential elections but I wouldn't consider Montana to be a "Red State".
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