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- TheNakedChef, on 12/09/2008, -1/+24This article reminds me not to visit USA, there are lots of better, cheaper and most of all hassle free destinations around the world to visit.
- Daolpu, on 12/09/2008, -1/+22"Holy *****, this man looked up the words 'pipe' and 'bomb' within three hours of each other, TERRORIST!"
- 13B1303, on 12/09/2008, -0/+20There are literally thousands of ways to transfer data across boarders that doesn't involve a physical searchable device. What part of this policy does not fall under illegal warantless search and seizure without probable cause. A boarder crossing or a police traffic stop, your rights do not change as an American citizen.
The 4th...
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - risenphoenixkai, on 12/09/2008, -0/+14Good thing my laptop didn't get searched on my way to New Zealand. The TSA would've been so busy going through porn and pirated movies that I'd have missed my flight.
- Skooma714, on 12/09/2008, -0/+13Lol we live in a free country.
"We can't just throw our constitutional rights out the window.""
Can, have, will. - wholesum, on 12/09/2008, -0/+13"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither." -- Ben Franklin
- inactive, on 12/09/2008, -0/+12they would be busy jacking off.
- XTrek, on 12/09/2008, -0/+9All sensitive data must be encrypted before crossing any boarder, period! Use the old encrypted block embedded in a larger encrypted block. Let the jackass boarder guards see what's inside the main large block. They will have no idea the smaller embedded block is even there. I use TrueCrypt for all my encryption needs.
- Zarokima, on 12/09/2008, -0/+9Has anyone ever had a bunch of ***** like vomitgirl, meatspin, the tubgirl movie, etc. just sitting around on the desktop during these searches? People talk about it in the comments of all these articles, but I've never heard of someone actually doing it.
- protogenxl, on 12/09/2008, -0/+9Got Truecrypt?
- TheNakedChef, on 12/09/2008, -1/+10Your economy should worry when others like me will not visit
- newman8r, on 12/09/2008, -0/+8everything I have is password protected including the iPhone (which this article mentioned) - are you legally compelled to give the border agents a password?
I realize they could probably take anything off site and eventually crack it, but I'm not familiar with the standard operating procedure for that kind of incident. - mclewell, on 12/09/2008, -1/+9No you don't. Only under a subpoena do you have to give up a password.
- marillion, on 12/09/2008, -0/+8For the moment, no. A US court of appeals has ruled that a man can not be compelled to divulge a password because it is the contents of his mind. The government is appealing to the Supreme Court.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9834495-38.html - GrooTheWanderer, on 12/09/2008, -0/+7Someone should produce a bunch of gay porn with all the actors dressed as border agents and airport security officers, solely for the purpose of putting on your hard drives and memory sticks prior to traveling. It would be a best-seller, I guarantee.
- Koushiro, on 12/09/2008, -0/+6"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
- Spartandog, on 12/09/2008, -0/+6And who's going to monitor the border guards? They're not all the upstanding citizens the government makes them out to be. Stories I've heard from a friend who once worked at airport security suggests that this means free music, movies and other files for anyone with a usb key.
- troye, on 12/09/2008, -0/+6Isn't that incriminating oneself: the Constitution gives citizens the right to not incriminate ourselves.
- Derander, on 12/09/2008, -0/+6They can just take it if you don't. And they do. They say they'll return it.
- mclewell, on 12/09/2008, -0/+5I love doing that because then you have plausible deniability about the second encrypted block.
- DavidGX, on 12/09/2008, -0/+5Ubuntu + Alternate install CD full HDD encryption + Truecrypt on the external HDD = win.
- TrevorBelmont, on 12/09/2008, -0/+5I want to stencil that onto my laptop.
But I won't. It would just make me seem like an "uppity flag burning" type and create more problems for me at the airport.
Sigh... - deweyhewson, on 12/09/2008, -1/+6But...uh...9/11!
- SummerNight, on 12/09/2008, -0/+5Refer to the comments earlier on. You can hide a partition in a partition, and both of them are encrypted. If you need to supply a password to decrypt, you just give the "outer" password, which shouldn't have anything too private. But when you put in the "inner" password, you gain access to the partition that has all of your private data. Because it cannot be proved that it exists, you have probable deniability, even in the event of a warrant or subpoena.
- mclewell, on 12/09/2008, -0/+5When I was an intern at a engineering firm, they had a formal policy for certain groups that required them to remove the hard drive out of their laptops and either ship it to their destination or bury it in their luggage.
- TrevorBelmont, on 12/09/2008, -0/+4Aren't they making copies of copyrighted material without consent? Isn't that still a crime regardless of their purpose? All this pisses me off so much.
- boris4ka, on 12/09/2008, -1/+5No.
- Paulish, on 12/09/2008, -0/+4what if the searches are "pipe" and "bong"? Close 'nuff?
- TrevorBelmont, on 12/09/2008, -0/+4More likely by my estimate is that they'll bully you into it under threat of missing your flight.
- redfred18t, on 12/09/2008, -1/+5Well if Harold and Kumar taught us anything, you could possibly get thrown in gitmo and have to eat a cockmeat sandwich.
- Khast, on 12/09/2008, -0/+4I've had my cellphone searched. That was the last time I took anything across the border like that.
- inactive, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3and what if they ask you to decrypt it? what are your legal rights then?
- newman8r, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3Nothing on my laptop is so sensitive that I need to encrypt it, so for the laptop I just use the vista password.
And for the iphone I just use the built in password.
Will they break into the computer on site if you don't offer a password? - TheNakedChef, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3I don't feel like wasting my time at customs. Last time I went to singapore, thailand and NZ it took me few minutes to get through airports. Also australian airports are pretty fast, only once I had an issue with razor blade in my carry on and I was dealt with professionally and respectfully.
Otherwise I don't feel like having my holidays spoiled by dealing with a*holes, I go to relax not to stress out. - davefin, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3When they search your hard drive at the border they often copy the whole thing to search at a later time. If it is encrypted they just send it out to another government agency to decrypt. Border agents have a policy they must follow with respect to data storage, while other government agencies do not. This means that if they send it out to be decrypted, the government may store your information in perpetuity.
- newman8r, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3good to know.
- newman8r, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3not for a single second.
- oneoverzero, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3depends on the encryption.
I mean they /could/ decrypt it... but with some forms it could take a very long time - TrevorBelmont, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3It doesn't upset you that the creeping fascism guised as "safety measures" is deterring people from crossing our boarder?
- ByteMeAHole, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3Three words: Encryption, Encryption, Encryption...
On my system that I use to travel overseas, the bootable Ubuntu partition resides on an encrypted 32Gb USB drive - from there you have to mount the internal doubly-encrpyted hard-drive... Then you can fire up a virtual OS of your choice.
Agent "Can you turn your system on?"
Me: "Sure"
Agent: "What does that screen mean?"
Me: "I have no idea. It died on the 'trip/plane/insert-whatever-seems-appropriate'. I hope I can get it fixed."
Agent: "Have a good day."
Exploit stupidity... That's what it's there for...
My worries aren't the US borders, it's places like France where they will copy your entire drive looking for corporate information they can use. It was common knowledge that first-class on the Concorde was bugged. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 12/09/2008, -0/+3FTA - "Among the successful searches the government cites from recent years: In 2006, a man arriving from the Netherlands at the Minneapolis airport had digital pictures of high-level Al-Qaida officials, and video clips of improvised explosive devices being detonated and of the man reading his will. The man was convicted of visa fraud and removed from the country."
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this "successful search" netted nothing actionable OR illegal under US Constitutional Law from his computer now did it?! He could have been writing a goddamn BOOK and be scared of flying. 8P
The Visa fraud got him bumped as illegal, which is what they SHOULD be targeting. I read the whole article and saw nothing to support the government's position here for violating the Constitution. - smacksaw, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2That is true. I have a friend who just left DHS and they search this stuff all the time. It isn't a 1% thing. Like, maybe 1% of people get searched, but that's because they don't know you have a computer. But if they find it upon secondary inspection, chances are good they are going to search it.
What is scary is that they could load anything they wished onto your computer as a plant. The point isn't to bring a computer that's empty, it's not to bring one at all. That way they can't plant info on your computer.
If the RIAA can sue old ladies who have a 802.11b/g router, you're in trouble. - inactive, on 12/09/2008, -1/+3What happens if you cross illegally. some people have to commute to work.
- Smokeydabear, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2Thanks for being honest.
- newman8r, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2Unlike so many other nations in the world, the US doesn't depend on international tourism as a major income source. I don't have any figures off hand but I'm pretty sure domestic tourism in the US is much more important.
Honestly, nobody really cares if you don't want to travel here. You're a lot safer traveling to the United States than a lot of other hot tourist destinations worldwide anyway.
The article does say that info off of laptops has lead to the capture of terror suspects, so I definitely wouldn't want the practice abandoned completely. - Elliuotatar, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2My iphone is connected to my google mail account. Is the border patrol allowed to access that if they search my iphone? I would assume the answer would be no, and that I could sue them for unlawful search if it can be proven that they accessed it?
- lohphat, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2Customs search powers go back almost as far as the Constitution and don't differentiate between citizens or visitors. Don't like it but that's the way it's been. Just saying.
- lohphat, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2
The state of the law with respect to suspicionless searches conducted at actual, or "true," U.S. borders is the most straightforward and most easily understood. Such searches have been described as either exceptions to the Fourth Amendment's warrant and probable cause requirements (leaving them subject only to the amendment's reasonableness standard) or as a species of search wholly outside the Fourth Amendment. (1)
A true border search can be made without probable cause, without a warrant, and, indeed, without any articulable suspicion at all. (2) The only limitation on such a search is the Fourth Amendment stricture that it be conducted reasonably. Note that the reasonableness calculus is different at the border (i.e., looser) than it is inland. (3) Of course, the experience and training of law enforcement personnel must be the lens through which all of the facts giving rise to concern on the part of the officer or agent at the border are viewed. (4) The law has developed a sliding scale with regard to border searches--as the degree of intrusiveness increases, so does the requirement for indicia of suspicion. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2Exactly, it is NOT the responsibility or RIGHT of US Customs to secure the transport of YOUR company's trade secrets. Your company is responsible for protecting them. If a theft is suspected, then it becomes a criminal matter and normal due process, customs alerts, etc. go into effect--which form the basis of reasonable suspicion and PROBABLY CAUSE. We already have laws in place for all of this, regardless of the medium of transport.
I want my goddamn Constitutional rights back! 8) - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 12/09/2008, -0/+2I just want to be able to meet my party at the gate (or see them off again). This whole thing is *****.
If I or my family passes through security successfully, who gives a ***** if they have a ticket or not, except the boarding agent who determines who gets on the plane or not?! -
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