- sfrench, on 07/01/2008, -171/+39Dupe.
http://digg.com/comedy/How_Californians_See_Americ ...- badwithcomputer, on 07/01/2008, -15/+12933 diggs submitted a week ago and never made the front page...didn't even come up during dupe check and it had the same title. sometimes things need to be submitted more than once before they go the front page. it sucks, but if you actually care about sharing the content with the community you need to be ready for it to not make it once or twice before the cream eventually rises if it was meant to be.
- isewise, on 07/01/2008, -15/+8"sometimes things need to be submitted more than once before they go the front page"
Who says everything submitted has to hit front page?
"...you need to be ready for it to not make it once or twice before the cream eventually rises if it was meant to be"
If it didn't hit the front page the first time doesn't that mean that it isn't cream and it was NOT meant to be?
A dupe is a dupe is a dupe in my book. Also you just changed the URL, admittedly directly linking to the picture is fine to me but webadmins don't like so much, so it would show on the dupe checker even if it has the same title. - boardthis, on 07/02/2008, -4/+10this was not cream. this was a big steaming pile of *****.
buried for comparitively making carlos mencia look funny. - badwithcomputer, on 07/02/2008, -4/+7@isewise
you're right- everything submitted doesn't need to hit the front page. that said, sometimes htings get arbitrarily buried in upcoming because a few users don't like it when it could still offer the very large userbase that vists digg a lot of entertainment.
that's what i'm talking about when i say the cream always rises- the same pictures/videos/stories surface on a lot of different places and if it's good it will eventually surface on top. i didn't change the url- my sister just im'd this to me so i submitted it and it hadn't been submitted before. dupe check didn't even pick it up for some reason so i just went with it.
this submission blew up today with about 3,500 diggs as i type this- why deprive the community of something they obviously enjoy a lot just because it didn't make it the first time?
- isewise, on 07/01/2008, -15/+8"sometimes things need to be submitted more than once before they go the front page"
- orangekid13, on 07/01/2008, -4/+50dupes don't count if the first one has already boarded their flight to buryland
- iChaz, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5poop.
- twertyto, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1If it hasn't been on the front page yet why does anyone care?
- badwithcomputer, on 07/01/2008, -15/+12933 diggs submitted a week ago and never made the front page...didn't even come up during dupe check and it had the same title. sometimes things need to be submitted more than once before they go the front page. it sucks, but if you actually care about sharing the content with the community you need to be ready for it to not make it once or twice before the cream eventually rises if it was meant to be.
- philodygmn, on 07/01/2008, -92/+20The religious nutballs valence is rather too small and weak, I think it's safe to say we agree after the evidence from nearly 8 years of Bush.
P.S. Where's the companion map of how New Yorkers see the US, with "flyover country" supplanting all but "Canada" and California?- Labyrinth336, on 07/01/2008, -34/+5You must live in the annoying ass new yorker part... ***** SuperLibs....
- madpuppy, on 07/01/2008, -7/+2what are you talking about, the whole west coast of the U.S. is referred to as "The Left Coast".
- kh99, on 07/01/2008, -0/+12http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/72-the ...
- jbenson2, on 07/01/2008, -19/+18How Americans See California:
Gays and Mexicans- jeffkee, on 07/01/2008, -18/+28You mean "How racist homophobic American white trash see California"
Right? - CorneliusStump, on 07/01/2008, -4/+8pretty much
- jbenson2, on 07/01/2008, -6/+5No, I mean how Americans see the wackos in the land of fruits and nuts.
- FrenchAnarchy, on 07/02/2008, -4/+3Yeah, right. LOL. Everyone who isn't in California wants to live there.
- midgeteers1, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Common Californian Misconception, having not lived then lived in california, not living there is better...
- 5urr3al5am, on 07/02/2008, -3/+2the only thing good about Cali is Schwarzenegger
- jeffkee, on 07/01/2008, -18/+28You mean "How racist homophobic American white trash see California"
- dakine42, on 07/01/2008, -2/+5Why is Canada in quotations?
- brundlefly76, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1because philodygmn is a master of the single-entendre
- kh99, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Because the area labeled "Canada" on the map is not actually in Canada.
- Entroper, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1I live in Virginia, and I unfortunately do agree with the label.
- brundlefly76, on 07/02/2008, -4/+2I have lived in California and New York for the past 13 years, and can tell you that Californians ***** love NYC, because its the only other place in the US which rocks.
Californians also love their west coast neighbors (WA & OR), and Coloradans as kindred spirits.
The rest of the map is accurate. - BobTheTaco, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1How many comments are you posting?
- Labyrinth336, on 07/01/2008, -34/+5You must live in the annoying ass new yorker part... ***** SuperLibs....
- occasus, on 07/01/2008, -22/+451Hey, that's how Swedes see America! Thank you, Hollywood.
- bosssmiley, on 07/01/2008, -9/+118Ditto for the Brits.
New England we know that bit because it's named after us.
Then there's Redneckistan, Disneyworld, Alamoland, the Great American Desert (the entire American south-west = Monument Valley), Canada, and California.- ruddy, on 07/01/2008, -10/+50Thats pretty good considering we know nothing about Brittanstan.
- appleseed1234, on 07/01/2008, -3/+25And considering we don't own Canada.
- OtterStratton, on 07/01/2008, -9/+19@appleseed: Since when? Check your facts.
- Puppetfunk, on 07/01/2008, -1/+23Where does the Northwest fall in all of this? We're always left out
-sigh- - tugger, on 07/01/2008, -3/+26Britain isn't a country.
- aussia, on 07/01/2008, -21/+12And Canadians, except replace the "Canada" and "Coffee" parts of the map with "the place you used to go shopping before the American dollar tanked."
- Erythroxylum, on 07/01/2008, -10/+40Are Canadians so stupid that they don't realise a weaker dollar makes American goods cheaper to them? I mean I knew they were stupid, but not that stupid.
- kday, on 07/01/2008, -9/+17The weaker dollar also weakens the Canadian dollar. Unfortunately, Canada's economy is very dependent on the U.S. economy. The Canadian dollar isn't getting stronger, it's just weakening slower than the U.S. dollar.
A fun fact: Canadians used to refer to the American dollar as "real money". Not anymore. - johnny23, on 07/01/2008, -4/+12I think Americans who know Canadians used to refer to the American dollar as "real money". As a Canadian, I've never heard another one refer to American money this way.
- Quaterni0n, on 07/01/2008, -3/+11"Canadians used to refer to the American dollar as "real money"."
No they didn't. - jeffkee, on 07/01/2008, -1/+9@ Erythroxylum
No Canadians are not stupid enough to NOT realize that your goods are cheaper. Lots of people are doing the cross-border shopping thing for expensive clothing, electronics. Of course, having enough cash and little time to travel for savings on clothing, I never do it, but the average Joe who has the time takes advantage of it. Some people even go cross-border for cars, to save $10,000 or so (in return for a ***** of paperwork to get a US-made car insured).
What we don't do is pick out a really ***** stupidly complicated Digg name in order to appear smarter than one actually is. Grow up.
@kday - You mean Americans used that terminology when comparing their money to the Canadian Dollar. Canadians have never used that expression. - DephexTwin, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1http://threadless.com/product/388/Canada_Owes_Me
- Shiftgood, on 07/01/2008, -5/+157I remember traveling around europe as an American having plenty of ..."oh, you're american........." and then some pretty nasty looks and what not. but as soon i was like.
"im from California"
they were like "Oh cooL!" as if i wasnt a part of america... or at least from the 1 part people respect.
big ups.- Starch, on 07/01/2008, -9/+17That is kind of interesting. But doesn't California have some very conservative areas, like Sacramento? (im from the northeast)
- Erythroxylum, on 07/01/2008, -21/+61Yeah, Europeans are pretty bigoted. Thank your lucky stars you don't have to live here.
- snappleman, on 07/01/2008, -3/+37Same here except I'm from Maine and no one there has any idea where that is.
- Agraek, on 07/01/2008, -2/+22Sacramento is definitely on the conservative side, but it's still way more liberal than a lot of other cities. More of the conservative areas lie around the rich communities around the Bay Area, like Walnut Creek.
- foolio572, on 07/01/2008, -1/+13San Diego area and Eastern/Far Northern California where it's more rural are very conservative. California is a big state and has all sorts of people.
- diggduggDOOM, on 07/01/2008, -0/+10Sacramento isn't what I would call conservative, but probably fairly balanced. By population, California leans left (e.g., LA area, SF area), but huge parts (by land, not population) of central and northern California lean right (as well as the SD area).
- AYork, on 07/01/2008, -1/+30I'm not sure that's specific to California. I've found that if I identify as an "American" I get a negative reaction, but if I identify as a "Myhomestatean" the reaction is not so negative.
When I lived in TN and said "I'm from Tennessee", I got "Oooooohhh...Elvis/Blues/Country music/neat mountains/whiskey". When I lived in TX and said "I'm from Texas" it always got a positive response, as well. Usually started with "Do you have boots/horse/cow/hat/big ass belt buckle?" or "Can you two-step?" Always positive, though, either way.
Either way, if I said "I'm an American" the only time I didn't get a scowl or an eye roll was when I was in France in Nov '01. That got sympathy. - krahzee, on 07/01/2008, -4/+28I love traveling as a New Yorker, nobody gives you any *****. They assume the worst, because you are from NY.
Plus all of the bartenders tend to make drinks as strong as rocket fuel, because they assume you drink like a horse. The accent is a great ice breaker with women (they giggle every time you say coffee). - schmons, on 07/01/2008, -0/+16the OC is conservative area
- theutopian, on 07/01/2008, -4/+28When I go to England I just say I'm Canadian.
- brjndr, on 07/01/2008, -11/+3We've been on the run
Driving in the sun
Looking out for #1
California here we come
Right back where we started from - Agger, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7We know the East coast and West coast is ok.
- caramba420, on 07/01/2008, -4/+28@starch
Sacramento doesn't count as California. As a general rule of thumb, if it's more than an hour's drive to the ocean, it's not California, it's Redneckistan. Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, Sacramento, Visalia, and Merced are part of Kentucky to the best of my knowledge. - fgonza226, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7We certainly have some lucky biases. Whenever I've traveled around everyone always asks if I know how to surf. (?,?)
- MicahT0078, on 07/01/2008, -4/+3@ starch
Caramba is a moron and needs to ease up on the cannabis. The real debate is the north/south debate, as those of us in the north (from Fresno up to Oregon) want to split off from the south. This is mainly over population and water issues. We know it will never happen but it would be nice to see.
I have lived here all my life in various parts of California and it is all diverse-which is what makes it great. There are conservative places inland that grow most of your food and there are mountains and great forests. The more liberal areas are not so much the ones that are near the ocean as much as the ones with high populations.
And the reason that most people reside in the valley, aside from sick housing prices, is because that way you are two hours from everything fun, like snowboarding or a lake or a major airport. As opposed to living 5 minutes from the beach and 5 hours from the mountains or a lake. - heypetray, on 07/02/2008, -7/+2From Vacaville, CA (A commuter town between San Francisco and Sacramento)
Couldn't help but feel Atmosphere on this one:
If the people laugh and giggle when you tell them where you live, say "Shhh"
And if you know this is where you want to raise your kids, say "Shhh"
If you're from the Midwest and it doesn't matter where, say "Shhh"
If you can drink tap water and breathe the air, say "Shhh"
If the playground is clear of stems and syringes, say "Shhh"
If there's only one store in your town that sells 12-inches, say "Shhh"
If no one in your crew walks around with a gun, say "Shhh"
And if you ain't gonna leave cause this is where you're from, say "Shhh"
Got trees and vegetation in the city I stay
The rents in the mail and I can always find a parking space
The women outnumber the men two to one
Got parks and zoos and things to do with my son
The nightlife ain't all that, but that's okay
I don't need to be distracted by the devil every day
And the jobs ain't really too hard to find
In fact, you could have mine if you knew how to rhyme
This is for everyone around the planet
That wishes they were from somewhere other than where they standin'
Don't take it for granted, instead take a look around
Quit complaining and build something on that ground
Plant something on that ground, dance and sleep on that ground
Get on your hands and knees and watch the ants walk around
That ground Make a family, make magic, make a mess
Take the stress, feel your motivation and build your nest
It sucks that you think where I'm from is wack
But as long as that's enough to keep your ass from coming back
And with a smile and a hint of sarcasm, he said
"I beg your pardon but this is my secret garden"
Respect life and the fashions of the children. It's the only culture I've got - Exactly what we've been building...
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/ ... - jbham184, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5I'm from New Jersey...
sigh... - mateo60, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1In the late 90's I would say I was from Oklahoma City and people would recall the Murrah Building bombing in OKC and ask me about it.
I've been told a few times by Europeans that I speak like John Wayne. If you knew me, you'd know that I'm anything but John Wayne. But I always found it a funny observation. - Drewnami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2@ Caramba
Kentucky, eh? Too bad I can't get any good bourbon here in Sacramento.
Sorry, but "real" California's too hardcore for me. I'll stick to my valley. You know, the one that has water, grass and agriculture. - ltethe, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Aw hell no... Them valencia oranges don't come from Kentucky. Those piles of avocados don't come from Kentucky, nor does the wine. Quite a bit of cool stuff is in California and more then a 100 miles from the coast. Or are you going to write Yosemite and Mammoth off the list?
- lacrimosa2008, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2AYork:
"When I lived in TX and said "I'm from Texas" it always got a positive response, as well"
That, I don't believe ^^ - AYork, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2Lacrimosa: I'm amazed at American's current reactions to Texas. I moved away 2 years ago, after having lived there for a decade or so. It turns out that everyone (and I do mean everyone) that I have met here (and elsewhere) that has a negative idea about Texas says that (1) I am one of the first Texans they have actually known and (2) they have never been to Texas, except maybe to pass through DFW or IAH. For example, the mom of one of my daughter's friends was absolutely horrified to find that my daughter is a native Texan, and loves Texas. She was speechless. She is now hesitant to allow her child to play with my daughter now. She has never been south of Tennessee.
I'm amazed, but not confused. I know why; this whole feeling didn't exist prior to about 2001-2002, when Bush started really pissing a lot of people off. In the early 1990s, Texas and everything to do with it was popular. All over the US; I got cred as a Texan. My Redwings & Justins and my ability to two step was a hit at nearly every bar, MA to OR to Budapest. From people that had no firsthand knowledge of the place. Now, people suddenly hate everything about the state; solely because of one guy. Two if you include Dick.
Both attitudes are equally amazing and entertaining to me. People will believe anything when provided with the barest shred of something passing itself off as information. And once they believe it, they actively seek anything that will support their position. People want to think whatever they believe. Hardly anyone really thinks critically anymore. There's a saying, "Using data like a drunk man uses a light post; for support instead of illumination."
I'm going to start doing the same thing with Tom Cruise and the state of New York.
BTW, I'm not saying or implying that you're one of those people. I (of course) have no clue who you are, where you live, who you know, etc. All I know is that you somehow identify with crying. The comment just conjures the thoughts.
- bmson, on 07/01/2008, -4/+10Same for Icelanders.
- pensivewombat, on 07/01/2008, -3/+8It pretty much holds true here in Alabama for those of us who aren't religious nuts.
- Netwatcher, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4Agreed
- etoreo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+15So... that's about 2 of you then?
Stay strong!
- ZenMojo, on 07/01/2008, -4/+37Hey, I'm from Texas, and that's how I see the country.
- mk3k, on 07/01/2008, -13/+2You would. :)
- dfsjdkflasjk, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2Minus the "Awesome" part under California.
- eriksanerd, on 07/01/2008, -5/+80I'd make a comment about how Americans see Sweden, but I don't think most Americans could find it on a map
- Merlaak, on 07/01/2008, -6/+11Having been born and raised in Tennessee, I'm one quarter Swedish and proud of it! I haven't gotten a chance to visit yet but most of my family has and they always enjoy the trip.
- jeffkee, on 07/01/2008, -16/+16They can't find Iraq on the map even though they are at war with Iraq. Of course they cannot find Sweden on a map.
- l034me, on 07/01/2008, -10/+12/shrug somewhere near Australia i suppose.
- badjoke, on 07/01/2008, -0/+51It's part of that giant penis pointing at Western Europe.
- theodenking, on 07/01/2008, -0/+19I think everyone in the world sees Sweden as "cold".
- Brassbud, on 07/02/2008, -5/+5I admit I often get Finland and Sweden confused (I just tested myself, and failed). Its not that I've never been taught, its just that I don't care enough to remember.
And as far as California is concerned, plate tectonics can't happen fast enough for me, push that baby outta here!. - Nerfdude, on 07/02/2008, -3/+3isn't sweden where they make those shoebox cars? i guess if i were to draw a map of sweden it'd just be labeled "volvo factory"
- GoldenPearl, on 07/02/2008, -2/+4Nah, them Swedes are the ones the make the pocket knifes and the delicious red fish candies.
- Peetweefish, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3With Google Maps, who the hell cares?
Just kidding. People need to go buy a ***** globe and look at it once in a while.
- dafragsta, on 07/01/2008, -14/+7Aaah, I see. So when Americans don't know their culture, they are ignorant, but when everyone else is unfamiliar with the cultural diversity of America, it's OK. In fact, it's better than OK. You can proclaim your ignorance from the mountain tops because we have a ***** government. I see how it works.
- digitalpencil, on 07/01/2008, -1/+3TBF, if Americans don't know their own culture, that is pretty damn ignorant. Moreover, it's a joke.. the rest of the world doesn't 'actually' have that gif pasted over all our maps.
- caramba420, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Are you ***** serious? The rest of the entire world is completely inundated in American culture. How many Americans speak a foreign language?
- dafragsta, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1their = the culture of the country from which a Digg user is stating that this chart is a fair assessment of America.
- JettaMan, on 07/01/2008, -12/+4So you guys in California aren't even able to produce enough electricity for yourselves and have "rolling brownouts", whatever those are? Um, have you heard of nuclear reactors?
- fgonza226, on 07/01/2008, -3/+7We've had half a dozen reactors, 2 currently in operation.
Rolling brownouts are what happens when you deregulate the electrical sector and out of state vendors artificially lower power output to inflate market prices - vis à vis 'maintenance'.
Thanks for playing, hater. - enmattp, on 07/01/2008, -1/+5That's because of the ***** rednecks from some other place running Enron. Once we had those bastards out there's not been an outage because of a shortage.
- JettaMan, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3gonza, come on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout#Cali ...
You're telling me a privately run electrical company would come up with these douchebag blackout regulations? This has government interference written all over it.The private sector delivers. When it doesn't, it loses money which is a huge motivator. Government demands a "sacrifice" such as described here. - fgonza226, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1I didn't say the private sector came up with the regulations. I am saying that that the private sector gamed them. Brownouts are a contingency, not a business model. One well known bankrupt corporation comes to mind.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1 ... - caramba420, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0Hey jettaman, you forgot to link the wikipedia page that is actually relevant to this thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricit ...
I'll assume that's because you just didn't see it. Someone else might just post the "Rolling Blackout" page in a disingenuous attempt to argue an indefensible viewpoint, but I think you're above that.
Pay special attention to the following passage:
"Though at no point during the crisis was California's sum of [actual electric-generating capacity]+[out of state supply] less than demand, California's energy reserves were low enough that during peak hours the private industry which owned power-generating plants could effectively hold the State hostage by shutting down their plants for "maintenance" in order to manipulate supply and demand."
- fgonza226, on 07/01/2008, -3/+7We've had half a dozen reactors, 2 currently in operation.
- falafelkiosken, on 07/01/2008, -2/+5coincidentally, that map is just like I see America
- mightycbu, on 07/01/2008, -3/+21I'm dutch, to me it seems like the religious nutballs took over some time ago.
- skyh, on 07/01/2008, -9/+5Except the Midwest doesn't belong with the whole "religious nutjobs" group..
- p1eiades, on 07/01/2008, -0/+5Same for Canadians, though Cali and BC have much in common
- Fozefy, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1Except the weather, which imo BC winds hands down! I hate the heat (ofc I'm Canadian though)!
- Smigge87, on 07/01/2008, -3/+6Aren't there polar bears walking around Stockholm, and don't people walk around nude?
- meaubitzer, on 07/02/2008, -0/+10I live in Hollywood, and this is pretty Correct. To give a little more perspective I grew up in the Seattle area, conveniently labeled "coffee". Very accurate.
- namochan, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Same goes for Finland too. Pretty accurate map.
- Kvasaari, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2If you see anti-American stuff from Europeans, that usually doesn't include Californians. They are cool.
- Peetweefish, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6When my fiance was studying abroad in Spain and told people she was American, the following sequence of questions occurred.
1. Are you from California?
2. No? Are you from New York City then?- zeabu, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3We Spaniards are optimists.
- Peetweefish, on 07/05/2008, -3/+1***** you. Most of the assholes from this country come from NYC or Cali. Visit sometime and find out.
- bosssmiley, on 07/01/2008, -9/+118Ditto for the Brits.
- psg188, on 07/01/2008, -95/+1802How the rest of America sees Californians:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/01/paris_hi ...- solidus636, on 07/01/2008, -11/+346Well played.
- WaxenPith, on 07/01/2008, -87/+11That's too bad.
Y'know that you'll never leave your small town to learn what LA is all about.- psg188, on 07/01/2008, -7/+117Shows how much you know.
I've been to:
Palm Springs - 1 time
San Fransisco - 3 times
San Diego - 2 times
LA - 2 times
Orange County - 5 times
Not to mention driving from the southern most of the state all the way north through it. I know what California is like.
Is California really completely like Paris Hilton? Of course not, but I was making a joke in the like of the submitters picture. Get over it. - Rysac1, on 07/01/2008, -5/+54You mean cocaine, plastic surgery, and smog?
- styx31989, on 07/01/2008, -6/+30smug clouds are far more dangerous than smog.
- Serris, on 07/01/2008, -21/+20I moved to LA for college. As a resident of LA, LA blows. California blows. Anybody who says they're from "Socal" or "Norcal" blows. You blow.
- psg188, on 07/01/2008, -7/+12By the way, I forgot to mention this in my previous reply:
Small Town? I'm from Atlanta you dill-weed. - MelvinSchlubman, on 07/01/2008, -4/+5> Y'know that you'll never leave your small town to learn what LA is all about.
That's a good thing.
FWIW, I lived in the Bay Area 6+ years, drove to LA annually for a hockey tournament. Went there around the state on various photo safaris. I have some knowledge of CA & LA. Currently hoping that the Colorado front range does not become another LA. That would effectively force me to move again. - punx, on 07/01/2008, -3/+16LA is a *****. No matter how much you try to act like it isn't. And don't tell me I'm from a small town and have never been to LA, I'm not, I have many times, and it's a *****. Sorry.
- quaxon, on 07/01/2008, -9/+10LA is a complete *****, next to bakersfield, fresno and riverside. all those places suck ass too. SF is the best city in ca (hell best in all of america for that matter).
- kenedamick, on 07/01/2008, -2/+4HA - what a dumb douche.
- sClubDevin, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1LA is a ***** small town. I dont even know why its considered a city. Theres like ten square feet of city and the rest is ***** suburbia. Maybe if you left your ***** and went to a real city you'd know that.
- the2989, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Who the ***** cares about LA?
- psg188, on 07/01/2008, -7/+117Shows how much you know.
- doctechnical, on 07/01/2008, -8/+191I think it would a little closer to the mark if big parts of her were on fire.
- RealmDown, on 07/01/2008, -3/+122That's about the only time I would call her hot.
- silicon, on 07/01/2008, -0/+24Well you can't see her crotch in that picture, it may very well be on fire.
- supaklaw, on 07/01/2008, -1/+8Timmy you have a condition we like to call a Hot Pocket.
- RealmDown, on 07/01/2008, -3/+122That's about the only time I would call her hot.
- diggerphelps, on 07/01/2008, -11/+99That's funny, cuz she's more of a New Yorker than a Californian, having grown up mostly in Manhattan and the Hamptons.
That aside, true enough, any Blonde Bimbo would have worked.- Zankue, on 07/01/2008, -1/+39That's funny because you actually know this information about her.
- DatruKatalyst, on 07/01/2008, -4/+89touche, good sir!
As a Californian, I give props and then promptly facepalm our relationship with Paris Hilton. - mattyx, on 07/01/2008, -28/+5As a photo of Paris Hilton taken in Nevada?
Whatever you guys say...- CrackyJSquirrel, on 07/01/2008, -4/+10I bet you are from California..
- Insanitation, on 07/01/2008, -2/+21pretty sad that you know that
- Spyke72, on 07/01/2008, -1/+9Well, not really. It says Las Vegas right behind her.
- mattyx, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1It's sad that I can read the words behind her?
"I bet you are from California.. "
Yeah, well I bet you're not.
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- CrackyJSquirrel, on 07/01/2008, -4/+10I bet you are from California..
- 8347, on 07/01/2008, -37/+2I wish all Californian women were that hot!!
- limes4all, on 07/01/2008, -0/+32what the ***** is wrong with you
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -2/+24I wish all people like you were on fire.
- Pronoiac, on 07/01/2008, -4/+7What limes4all said.
- tdogg241, on 07/01/2008, -0/+9You just got your penis revoked.
- caborobo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6"Paris Hilton? Her face looks like a foot!" -Peter Griffin
- Lucas123, on 07/01/2008, -25/+10I've lived in New York, Virginia, Massachusetts and California. I can say unequivocally that California sucks (with perhaps the exception of the more northern points such as of San Francisco). The East Coast rules!
- argaen21, on 07/01/2008, -3/+2I grew up in california and hawaii. I live in arizona. Ive visited new york and north carolina. My question is, why does everywhere on the east coast smell like pee? For serious.
- cheeseefungu, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1Everybody step away from the NeyorkiMasschuVirgininina man...
- midgeteers1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0and that is exactly why the east coast sucks
- mummbleswers, on 07/01/2008, -3/+16http://books.google.com/books?id=rIG9ciCJjHsC&pg=P ...
- Rockenreno, on 07/01/2008, -2/+34A more accurate statement might be how Californians see Los Angelians...
- IamJustinM, on 07/01/2008, -0/+9Angelinos*
- SuperMoses, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5San Diego-ins.
San Diego-uns.
San Dieg-ons.
San Diegans. - nodlezfodlez, on 08/15/2008, -0/+2...people from San Diego
- tyler0is0sexy, on 07/01/2008, -3/+55She's from New York- which explains why she's so obnoxious.
- milkmage, on 07/01/2008, -4/+6damn. talk about throwing up in your mouth a little.
- asus2000, on 07/01/2008, -1/+2...that expression has just about had it's last digg. I feel the tide turning on it...
- silicon, on 07/01/2008, -6/+5Well you can't see her crotch in that picture, it may very well be on fire.
- devfox, on 07/01/2008, -3/+3Awesome! :)
- jordn, on 07/01/2008, -4/+21more like:
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/d ...- LOLMadness, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1one small thing wrong with that pic that makes me KNOW it was made by a californian and not a person from Massachusetts like me,
Disney WORLD is in florida, disney land is the ***** little park thats small than some of the newport mansions.
- LOLMadness, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1one small thing wrong with that pic that makes me KNOW it was made by a californian and not a person from Massachusetts like me,
- TracerMan, on 07/01/2008, -5/+5FREE CALIFORNIA!
- SeventhSon, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3You'd have to pay me to take that train wreck.
- gattaca86, on 07/01/2008, -7/+10Paris is from New York
- robbiemuffin, on 07/01/2008, -6/+15or, how the east coast sees America:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2gwgjr6.jpg- Suprfire, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Right on!
from the old people florida state. - Namaha, on 07/02/2008, -1/+3"Computers and wine are grown here."
Uhh - arcooke, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7DisneyWORLD is in Florida, not Disneyland.
- sClubDevin, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1This personifies my feelings about the rest of the country.
- Suprfire, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Right on!
- asus2000, on 07/01/2008, -2/+1I'm going to bet that you are not David Lee Roth.
- hagbard69, on 07/01/2008, -0/+16"I love calling my friends in LA:
'What are you doing?'
'I'm out by the pool! How about you?'
'I'm reading a book! We're thinking back East! We're evolving!'"
Bill Hicks- NotOptium, on 07/02/2008, -1/+3Go back to sleep, America. Your government is in control.
- tokage, on 07/01/2008, -6/+1I'm sorry, but I had to report you as "offensive" for that. =)
- Yareking, on 07/02/2008, -5/+1how is this? She is hot!
- acroyear2, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1No, she ain't. Skinny blonde girl without a personality? Don't think so. At least get some meat on them bones, then we'll talk.
- etnuts, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1you mean this girl:
http://storea.intermarkproductions.com/accounts8/1 ...
you did say you want meat on them bones
- mkameli, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1That's just Southern California.
- ROFLance, on 07/02/2008, -7/+8Funny you think American's see Californians as being a bunch of Paris Hiltons...
when Paris Hilton is from New York City.- skeletorcares, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7don't worry, i don't see california like that, i see it as mexico jr. is that better?
- nedzeve, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Not better, just racist.
- paradexes, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Except they talk alot about her childhood in Beverly Hills where as a child she met Nicole Ritchie...there was an E! special on that. Being born and NY means nothing if you are raised in CA. My wife watches alot of E! on Saturdays.
- ladyarcher85, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1Indeed it's a madhouse!
- xcrunner1422, on 07/02/2008, -0/+19It's not often you see a comment get 1000+ diggs.. well done.
- Greanbeens, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3You are leeching bandwidth off that site. *****.
- computerusr, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4This guy is probably OGCing to the 1000+ diggs. I would.
- ShadowFoxxx, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0Checkmate. =D
- Alegoo92, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1Most dugg comment ever?
- splatterboy, on 07/02/2008, -8/+4Paris is not a Californian, from New York - not California. You lose.
- paradexes, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2This should clear things up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton
She was BORN in NY and spent some time there. But alot of her time was in CA.
- paradexes, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2This should clear things up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton
- mephitix, on 07/02/2008, -3/+2"Paris is not a Californian, from New York - not California. You lose."
psg188: +1442
splatterboy: -1
Nah. - Scranklin, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Congratulations, You win.
- paradexes, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Hilton
Well ok then...how do you explain Nicole Ritchie? Or Kim Kardashian? They certainly live up to the stereotype Paris has become the posterchild for. - ORD2FRA, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Funny, I am in the midwest and the coasts seem to be imposing their views on ME far more than some religious folks in the south.
- bbliss17, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1pwnd
- skipgamer, on 07/01/2008, -79/+11How the rest of the world sees America? (we dont give a *****... let alone what one of your states thinks about the others)
- BoonTobias, on 07/01/2008, -1/+35surely you cared to click on the photo first, bitch
- badwithcomputer, on 07/01/2008, -4/+7damn, bitch- don't be such a bitch about it. biatch.
- Serris, on 07/01/2008, -4/+17We don't give a ***** about you, you pompous *****. If you don't like the article, then don't dig it. It must be shocking to see an American joke on an American website.
- crampy20, on 07/01/2008, -10/+2retard it isnt an american website, and there is no way that digg wants it to be a solely american website.
typical american, we are the center of the world, syndrome.
- crampy20, on 07/01/2008, -10/+2retard it isnt an american website, and there is no way that digg wants it to be a solely american website.
- IllBeBack, on 07/01/2008, -6/+13Digg.com is an American website. You are welcome to visit here, but until your own country has something, anything, as good as the USA has, shut up.
- crampy20, on 07/01/2008, -9/+3retard it isnt an american website, and there is no way that digg wants it to be a solely american website.
typical american, we are the center of the world, syndrome.
- crampy20, on 07/01/2008, -9/+3retard it isnt an american website, and there is no way that digg wants it to be a solely american website.
- kidathinnes, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4Then don't click on the article douche bag.
- starsarebent, on 07/01/2008, -3/+1***** yeah. I love how Digg can be torn apart when it come to politics, but when some ***** starts some *****, everyone stands strong. Makes me feel good to read some Pro-America comments.
@skipgamer> Suck our red, white, and blue *****. - digitalpencil, on 07/01/2008, -0/+6as a citizen of the UK (and i like to think of myself as an elected representative) i thought it was pretty damn funny.
@crampy20: Digg is an American website, the fact that you can't wrap your xenophobic little head around that isn't entirely surprising but i thought i'd point it out anyway. It is however, open to everyone and yet still remains an American website, i'd explain to you how that's possible but i fear your head might implode.
ps: wasn't funny or poignant the first time, not entirely sure why you thought it would be the second but thanks for playing at any rate ;) - Pirate45, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1go ***** yourself
- BoonTobias, on 07/01/2008, -1/+35surely you cared to click on the photo first, bitch
- Conway, on 07/01/2008, -47/+715I'm from California and this is pretty accurate. Especially the New Yorker part... ;)
- solidus636, on 07/01/2008, -2/+43Exact same thing that I was thinking.
- shutaro, on 07/01/2008, -3/+31As was I. I would make the religious nutballs area a bit larger, tho.
- TheKingInYellow, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7OMG...i thought the same as well. holeeee sheeit.
- zorpscorp, on 07/01/2008, -3/+70I'm from texas and that's really not too far off...
- cl2yp71c, on 07/01/2008, -21/+6So do you transport your horse in your pickup?
- BlvdKing, on 07/01/2008, -2/+29On a trailer attached to the pickup, dummy.
- purpledrank, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4Austin, basically, is the same as California, heh.
- BigCountry68, on 07/01/2008, -5/+3wow. yall dont know the real texas. yall prolly just been to cities
- ChantryChantry, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2agreed. the whole "real cowboys" thing is really just an urban legend
- GorfTron, on 07/01/2008, -20/+24I live in the midwest and I won't deal with East Coast people for anything. Period.
- Starch, on 07/01/2008, -3/+69Trust me, the feeling is mutual.
- cotaskmemalloc, on 07/01/2008, -8/+7That's pretty mature, GorfTron.
- elnerdo, on 07/01/2008, -7/+51Nobody lives in the midwest.
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -8/+37I'm from the midwest, and the east coast. Neither of you should feel superior. You're both ignorant groups, but I will give a +1 to the midwesterners, as they do have manners that the east coasters don't.
- CrazyDEX, on 07/01/2008, -5/+30Too bad all your women keep moving to NYC. I'll send ya some photos
- drachemorder, on 07/01/2008, -6/+9Oh, get over it. I'm from right in the middle of Jesusland (and proud of it) and I deal with people from all over the country. And get along just fine with them. You might be surprised how much you can find in common with someone who probably disagrees fervently with you on a lot of things.
- AmaDaden, on 07/01/2008, -5/+20"but I will give a +1 to the midwesterners, as they do have manners that the east coasters don't."
I remember seeing a psychological research project that basically said that people from cites are very cold and uncaring but are equally cold and uncaring if pissed off by a random stranger. People in rural areas however start off very nice but if pissed off by a random stranger flip out WAY worse then people from cities. So in the end they are about equal. - wayyy, on 07/01/2008, -10/+5I live on the East Coast.
And it sucks. - redneckblues, on 07/01/2008, -1/+12@AmaDaden
Makes sense to me. Treat people with respect until they prove that they're a douchebag. - GorfTron, on 07/01/2008, -8/+7My business dealings with East Coasters are great until their snake fangs come out. No more for me, thanks but no thanks Mr Twoface East Coast *****. East Coasters know nothing of a fair shake or honoring an agreement. They just use and abuse.
- brettmurf, on 07/01/2008, -0/+5I'm from the midwest and I still can't figure out why it is called the midwest. Michigan is leaning quite east on my map.
- orlyfactor, on 07/01/2008, -10/+13Why hate on the East Coast? Because we have better food and culture, and no drought nor fires, nor floods? Yep, we rule :P
- bluezinc, on 07/01/2008, -5/+4@Orlyfactor
THAT'S why we hate on the East Coast. Thank you for validating everyone's points. - orlyfactor, on 07/01/2008, -3/+6@bluezinc:
You hate us for the good things we have? I wouldn't call that hate, I'd call it jealousy :D - thomascj, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3i'm from the east coast, but even I can see he's not so much referring to your comment -- but to the general douche-bag tone with which you delivered it.
- geneikillua, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2@Amaden. Why does this equal out? It's a bad thing to react to bad behavior negatively but a good thing to treat it neutrally? Maybe that's why big cities have such cold and rude behavior...
- AmaDaden, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1@geneikillua I rather be ignored if I insult someone by accident (some people can get REALLY pissed over little nothings) then be treated hostilely and attacked. And I don't expect to be treated nicely by people I don't know. Why should they treat me nicely? They don't know who I am.
I've been thinking about it and I think this attitude started in cities because you are always surrounded by random people and some people are ass holes. If you talk to random people then one day you are gonna start talking to an ass hole. If you are taking a half hour train ride and you just started talking to a "the Cable Guy" type of ass hole your whole ride is now going to be spent talking to some guy about ***** you don't care about then all you want to do is get back to reading your book. Worse yet they could just start following you. Nearly the whole city is public transit, you can't really stop them. So you leave people alone and they leave you alone. It's city common courtesy.
For the record it is ok if you need to ask a random person a question but if you start talking about ANYTHING that is not a quick question the ass hole alarm goes off. If the city person started treating you nicely you might start talking about "how hard it is to find things in this city" and how "this is nothing like my home town". Yes, yes, yes; the city is different. Not only do we understand that but you are like the 100th person who told us that. We did not go out today to go sight seeing or have a nice chat with an out-of-towner. We have things to do and people to see, please make your questions quick.
- Starch, on 07/01/2008, -3/+69Trust me, the feeling is mutual.
- AmaDaden, on 07/01/2008, -9/+174Speaking as a New Yorker you can kindly go screw your self. (See? I said 'kindly'. We are not as mean as you think)
- plainOldFool, on 07/01/2008, -20/+15Yeah??? Well Go ***** Yourself!
- A Plain Old Fool from New Jersey- hardcore718, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2You know, there is only one thing worse then being from staten island, and thats being from new jersey.
- fakekevinrose, on 07/01/2008, -4/+144HEY ***** YOU BUDDY, I'M WALKING HERE
- PleaseJustDie, on 07/01/2008, -12/+45I'm not your buddy, friend!
- scoot2006, on 07/01/2008, -13/+42I'm not your friend, buddy!
- Phych, on 07/01/2008, -13/+42I'm not your buddy, pal!
- TheKingInYellow, on 07/01/2008, -25/+7i like turtles, dude!
- shutaro, on 07/01/2008, -22/+5I like pie.
- creppie, on 07/01/2008, -20/+3I just ate watermelon.
- shinb0, on 07/01/2008, -20/+4I just took a deuce
- HumanGlitch, on 07/01/2008, -4/+24I am not your brotherin, comrade
- orlyfactor, on 07/01/2008, -13/+4I like lamp.
- fload, on 07/01/2008, -4/+15I'm not your comrade, man!
- L4WL3RS34L, on 07/02/2008, -1/+19This thread is fail because of the lack of "guy." Get the reference right or gtfo of this thread.
- PeninsulaBoy217, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8I'm not your buddy, guy!
- TheGreatBelow, on 07/02/2008, -8/+5Pal, I'm buddy your not!
- L33tmaster, on 07/02/2008, -1/+3I'm not your guy, friend!
- mummbleswers, on 07/01/2008, -13/+7Pretty accurate, but where the hell is Mexico? It would be labeled "help." Ohhhhhhh! Totally un-PC, sorry guys, or I mean hombres.
- cyclopropene, on 07/01/2008, -1/+21I thought Mexico was in California.
- TheKingInYellow, on 07/01/2008, -1/+5mexico is in states of the lower half of america.
- digitul, on 07/01/2008, -1/+15youre a regular carlos mencia.
and by that i mean making lame unfunny mexican jokes - mummbleswers, on 07/01/2008, -2/+3@ cyclopropene - Ha ha ha that's good! I always say I'm from a small town in Mexico called Los Angeles! Definitely dig worthy.
- mummbleswers, on 07/01/2008, -0/+3If it helps - I AM MEXICAN. So yeah, it's all fare game for me.
- mummbleswers, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1Fair game... last post I promise.
- starsarebent, on 07/01/2008, -9/+3I concur with your statemet. I live in California, and I had a buddy move to Texas. He has been there less than a year and has an accent, lol. Poser.
- alexj306, on 07/01/2008, -9/+2***** YOU.
- pigducksheep, on 07/01/2008, -0/+25The florida part is pretty accurate. Add alligators in there and you've got yourself a deal.
- tightscrummy, on 07/01/2008, -0/+27You mean the place where you're born Cuban and die Jewish?
- staticfire, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5florida sucks and is full of religious conservatives...sofla has some liberals...but mostly only the young population that i assume gets as far the ***** away from florida as possible because of high taxes and no decent paying jobs. oh and miami=drugs
- bravo1995, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1@staticfire: I'm sorry, high taxes? Are you referring to the average sales tax (6.5%) or the complete lack of income tax? And just because 50-51% of the population votes Republican, that doesn't mean Florida is full of religious conservatives.
- jzuska, on 07/01/2008, -7/+2100% accurate. I see it the same way, but replace Californians with dirty Commies.
- creppie, on 07/01/2008, -7/+2Not everybody's loud here. I'll just include you on my map in the section of everywhere outside Manhattan being occupied by idiots.
- Donwangugi, on 07/01/2008, -3/+42New Yorkers were ahead of the game.
http://www.magazine.org/editorial/40-40-covers/4.j ...- robbiemuffin, on 07/01/2008, -0/+2its comments like this that make me wish digg let you favorite comments.
- ubrikkean, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1robbiemuffin, I liked it too, but uh... you can just save the picture... O.o
- kpwells, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2oh wow i remember as a kid my parents had a poster exactly like this of Philadelphia on the wall...i can just barely picture it. Thanks for the memory :)
- jspegele, on 07/01/2008, -5/+45I have no problem being called a loud, obnoxious New Yorker, but ***** you for grouping me in with Red Sox fans.
- acroyear2, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3Yankees Suck!
- JackSrenton, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3Trust me buddy, we dont want to be your friends either.
Yankees do SUCK!
- Kali075, on 07/01/2008, -1/+24I'm from Massachusetts,
but apparently I'm a New Yorker- bluezinc, on 07/01/2008, -1/+15We dislike New Yorkers just as much as Massholes.
We'll go on a nature hike and meditate now to rid ourselves of your radiating negative energy.
*mmm wheat grass shot* - lessthanron, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1I'd say that's an upgrade.
- bluezinc, on 07/01/2008, -1/+15We dislike New Yorkers just as much as Massholes.
- Gndoab, on 07/01/2008, -0/+8Norther VA is where the North(east) stops, which includes Jersey and Delaware.
Maryland and DC are overwhelmingly democratic...Otherwise very close to reality.- ryansimbalist, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1Agreed although the rest of Virginia certainly isn't like the south... Unless you go into the Appalachian mountains.
- Gndoab, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3ya, and it's funny how many people on this story have commented exactly what I just said :)
People from MD don't want to be seen as southerners. Kinda funny :)
- FukUrCouch, on 07/01/2008, -2/+4They forgot New Jersey!...
- multiple0migs, on 07/02/2008, -1/+3no...they didn't
- TheGreatBelow, on 07/02/2008, -0/+10More like they remembered to forget New Jersey.
- akamurph, on 07/01/2008, -10/+3Instead of California, it should read "Scientology"
- FrenchAnarchy, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1There is a total of 3 Scientologists in California. I'm not even joking.
- Chexjc, on 07/01/2008, -9/+3Psh...California.
- puppycoloda, on 07/01/2008, -2/+2exactly...
- Rotzooi, on 07/01/2008, -3/+7Having lived in New York for most of my life, I never had the need to know we were part of this 'United States' thing. I only really found that out when I moved to Europe.
- scubaman5000, on 07/01/2008, -1/+20Southern Californians know EXACTLY where Las Vegas is. The rest is desert.
- gtapro92, on 07/01/2008, -9/+2***** you californian douchebag
- TwiztOG43, on 07/01/2008, -0/+3so true, i mean if you ever look down from a plane window while flying from LA too NY or DC its either desert (hot weather and emptiness) redneck-vile (farms) and the occasional small patches of forests
- gcman94, on 07/01/2008, -1/+19I'M NOT A ***** LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS NEW YORKER. YOU ASS-WIPE GO ***** A ***** GOAT AND STUFF IT UP YOUR MOTHERS ASS.
- Zomgondo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2I'm from California too... and the only thing I'd add to "loud and obnoxious New Yorkers" is "(also awesome)". Hell, we're loud and obnoxious too :)
- jinnie, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1i'm a californian living in portland, oregon now... dudes, you guys really have to come up here and dose on the coffee... such a great reason for the cliche, aside from the mermaid poop.
- Codeblew, on 07/02/2008, -2/+0Please, no more Californians in Portland!
- jinnie, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1can't we keep focus on the real issue? you know, those people from the burbs, who infiltrate oldtown bars on weekends and shop at pioneer square mall?
would you really rather have transplants from medford? all that nice gentrification wouldn't have happened without a whole lot of that california gold.
funny enough, after 3 or 4 years in, i began to get quite anti-californication, myself... i took up the bicycle, i buy local, i drink pabst and deschutes, i frequent local bands' gigs, i went pescetarian, i decried all the sins of the sprawling, disregarding hometown in southern california, not so much these days... especially not after coming across these "nativist" sentiments rather frequently lately.. definitely not after multiple messages of "***** you" and phallic pictures drawn into the dust on my california-plated car. many lifelong oregonians i run into want to move to california, anyway. - jinnie, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1point is: i feel my positive experiences in the northwest has made me a more conscious citizen in general. i hope more people have similar opportunities, even if it means that places like portland and seattle have to share their space.
- Slowface, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2What about us western New Yorkers?
- splatterboy, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2you suck
- SFBWork, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2As a New Yorker, I would curse you out in various languages. Then tell you to ***** off. :)
- cl2yp71c, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2My chemistry professor is from New York and always pronounces 'error', 'erra'.
- anarcurt, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6Honestly, If I had a choice New York and its surrounding suburbs would be it's own country, change the name back to New Amsterdam and make the laws like Old Amsterdam.
- ssjtoma, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2viva la revolucion!
- exploto, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0I feel kinda happy to be living in "Canada..." is that a bad thing?
- SHNAPPS, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8I'm from California specifically LA, I avoid the 405 by surfing to class and I see a celebrity everyday just like the whole world thinks.
- LordSubtle, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1this is pretty true. I don't see texas as part of the south, even though texas, the south, and the rest of the country all do.
Also, yeah, socal people can find vegas easy. Everything else is ***** sand. - MrSlumberjack, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2NYC ≠ NY state
- solidus636, on 07/01/2008, -2/+43Exact same thing that I was thinking.
- Teck64, on 07/01/2008, -47/+8Californacation baby!
- leorcastillo, on 07/01/2008, -2/+7Westside and all, but dugg down for the misspelling. Sorry :(
- failedpimp, on 07/01/2008, -37/+14What's America?
- homerj1965, on 07/01/2008, -8/+2Oh you mean Amerika.
- zardoz73, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1It's where your mom lives.
- shauntacular, on 07/01/2008, -104/+256Is this supposed to show how ignorant people from California are?
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -7/+25It's either satire of californians, or ignorance from a californian. The jury is out.
- EpicSelekta, on 07/01/2008, -39/+121Is it really ignorance though? Between the electoral superiority, the kickass climate, the fact that we could operate as an independent country and still be in the top 10 (in terms of GDP), and our power in the media, I'd say this is really just recognized dominance. Go ahead, dig me down North Dakotans. Have fun freezing this December.
- ender7074, on 07/01/2008, -24/+8Please. Go now.
- wheresjim, on 07/01/2008, -11/+52Hear, Hear! Go ***** yourself, Texas!
- shauntacular, on 07/01/2008, -20/+3Hey watch your mouth little lady. You kiss your husband with that mouth?
- chiefs10, on 07/01/2008, -16/+5don't you mean Canadians????
- jmkiii, on 07/01/2008, -20/+9Even your bragging sounds like whining.
- eltrev, on 07/01/2008, -30/+16California rules. We are better than you.
no. I'm serious, I live in a beautiful little surf town 1 hour north of LA. Everyone has a high IQ and is attractive, and we are better than you fly-over state rejects, many of whom voted for bush twice.
So ***** you. we are superior, you are trash.
/sarc (but only half way) - diggrnumber1, on 07/01/2008, -6/+2712% of America's population, more national parks and cool landscape than any other state, the most agriculturally-productive state, center of innovation in technology, etc. the electoral superiority is only correct in absolute terms, though. the rest of america felt sorry for places like north dakota, so they had to give them greater proportional representation in the senate and a smaller ratio of population to each electoral college vote.
- Phych, on 07/01/2008, -1/+26*sigh*
I'm in LA, I enjoy it here, and I got a good chuckle out of the pic. But really...don't be like an Apple fanboy and ***** up a good thing by alienating everyone. - Hananda, on 07/01/2008, -7/+6Have fun being eviscerated by some MS-13 thug in five years.
- bluezinc, on 07/01/2008, -2/+9SHHHHHHHHHHH!! Don't tell the *outsiders* about California! They might move here!
- Bluedice0003, on 07/01/2008, -10/+12Well Go separate and become another country....then Nevada will charge you $3000 gallon for water....pay it or die.....and I'm sure you guys would need a lot fighting forest fires.......yea california is so Independent....who needs America
- thedogfatherx, on 07/01/2008, -2/+10I love North Dakota. Hate the winters though. Very nice people and low crime. I ***** hate big cities with high crime. I would end up killing some criminal if I lived in one I know it.
- DeskFlyer, on 07/01/2008, -3/+11Have fun rebuilding your charred house every summer.
- OtterStratton, on 07/01/2008, -4/+10What's a "North Dakota?"
- ohnoitstaylor, on 07/01/2008, -0/+16Wow. Judging by the digging and burying pattern on this thread, I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of Californians on Digg.
- rb329503, on 07/01/2008, -3/+1i lol'd at u, well said.
- saranagati, on 07/01/2008, -8/+2The fires tend to hit the places we don't like anyways. The way I see it is that you guys are holding us back by 'helping' put out those fires. When it comes to the places we actually care about being on fire (LA, Orange County, San Diego) we seem to be able to manage to contain them just fine ourselves.
- UrrbinLegind, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4Hey Californians, go foreclose on a house.
- JackSrenton, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2@Hananda
Have fun believing everything you see on Dateline. - foxtrot78, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0Cal. can't be all that great a huge number of them are migrating to Colorado, and Texans too! Stay out of mah state, we don't want any more of you here, your condos are blocking my view of the Rockies.
- jull1234, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1I'll take it over LA. Well... maybe i could stand to live by the beach.
- enzomedici, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2
There's a lot that sucks about California too which is why there is a net population loss.
Environment - You have pollution up the ass, stuck in traffic all day long, beaches with cold water & full of seaweed - my god our worst beach in Florida is better than ANY beach in all of California.
Real Estate - a million dollar home is a joke in California. One thing for people who haven't been to California to know is that there are many houses in Beverly Hills that you wouldn't be caught dead living in trust me. Only 14% of the people in California can even afford a home, so most live in apartments. If you are from anywhere like Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, etc., you would laugh at the tiny apartments that Californians live in. It is very common for people to convert the garage into another apartment and rent it out too. My brother used to rent a house and there was another dude living in the garage apartment. lol. I ***** you not.
Climate - cold as hell in California, sorry. I lived in the OC and most of the time it is down in the 60's and 50's at night. We put on jackets in Florida if it gets that cold.
Activities - Sure you can go to the mountains and snowboard, but in South Florida we jump in the boat and go to the Bahamas and I'd much rather be sipping a beer there than some place like Monmouth or Big Bear snowboarding.
Nightlife - wow, California's nightlife sucks pretty bad. In the OC, the nightlife is just non-existent. There's not even one decent bar and I'm not kidding. Yardhouse? lol. Forget about a club unless cougars that don't know how to dance are your thing. Shark club? Lol. There's more happening in LA in the way of nightlife, but not as much as you would expect. Miami blows LA away.
People - Californians are definitely laid back and that's a good thing. They are very relaxed and even in office work environments they are way cool and laid back compared to NYC or Boston where every seems like they've on crack all the time.
Chicks - there are some hot ones, but dumber than *****. Think The Hills - all over the place.
- DiggzDE, on 07/01/2008, -17/+24Wait? There are people actually living outside of California? Why would anyone do that?!
- mayhemchaos, on 07/01/2008, -16/+6so they aren't surrounded by liberal pot heads :)
- iloveliberals, on 07/01/2008, -7/+2Intolerant and condescending, not ignorant per se.
- merreborn, on 07/01/2008, -12/+2"Is this supposed to show how ignorant people from California are?"
Yeah, because unlike Californians, Texans, for example, are real geography whizzes. And of course, let's not forget Miss Teen USA South Carolina 2007. - AgentofId, on 07/01/2008, -12/+5Not Ignorant as much as dismissive. Oh, we know there are other states... We also know that they're mostly filled with crap. As a friend of mine originally from the midwest once said, the midwest is full of people whose ancestors, when moving west, got to the first bit of open land they could find, said "eh... here's good enough" and that was that. He contends that with rare exception anyone or anything actually of value from the midwest leaves as soon as they possibly can.
- desertDenizen, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1There's a reason they're called the "flyover states." Not that there's nothing to see there, but just sayin'.
- Chaseb, on 07/01/2008, -1/+7Um, yes.
- jpate86, on 07/01/2008, -7/+14This is saying people from California are ignorant. Plain and simple. I am from Indiana, so if I said, "Everyone from California are pot smoking hippies." Wouldn't you say I was ignorant? I sure would. So basically what you are saying is, "Yes we are being ignorant, but it is OK because we are from California." Does anyone else see anything wrong with that?
- cmburns69, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4You're right, it is hypocritical... Unless they're from California.
- zenslug, on 07/01/2008, -1/+1It's a joke, of course, but we are smug. So there's a lot of truth in the picture, too.
- GoldenPearl, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3This is the open internet, logic is not allowed here
- tyboulder, on 07/01/2008, -0/+2Hey, do you know how many celebrities fly into Aspen and Vail to go skiing? Couldn't you have at least added "mountains" to the big orange block? Come on... :)
- xyzeus, on 07/01/2008, -1/+2no. it is supposed to show what matters.
yes I am from L.A.- gringojack, on 07/02/2008, -2/+0Perfect example of what the picture illustrates.
- GoldenPearl, on 07/02/2008, -2/+2At first I mistook "electoral dominance" to be electrical dominance... Now that would be funny
At least you have a cool governor - smellytim, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3i thought it was showing how smart we are
- LanEvo, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3i think its fairly accurate
- WilliamAdama, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3not ignorance, this is a very accurate and realistic image of how the states are split up.
- BalooUrsidae, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2But Californians are ignorant. Ever see 'em try to drive on the freeway? 30 over the limit in the rain, 9.74 inches behind the vehicle ahead of them, on the phone. That's pretty ***** ignorant of common sense.
- ghaib, on 07/01/2008, -127/+580IMHO, California is the best part of America. I think they should declare independence and run their own show.
- Rysac1, on 07/01/2008, -9/+83second.....
- Bartboy919, on 07/01/2008, -4/+19I third this idea, lets start a movement.
- yayster, on 07/01/2008, -3/+12They would bomb us if we did. =
- cawpin, on 07/01/2008, -1/+45"I third this idea, lets start a movement."
I suggest an earthquake as the starting movement. - bluezinc, on 07/01/2008, -2/+9@Yayster
We're a state full of tech whizzes, you don't think we could develop something better?
We could have our own terminator army with collaboration from Japan in as little as a few weeks if we put our heads together. - ChantryChantry, on 07/02/2008, -2/+3nope. they'd be too high and gay to do it.
- maz2331, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2All in favor, say "Aye"...
AYYEEE!!!!!
All opposed:
"Motion Carried."
- CobolNoFun, on 07/01/2008, -26/+111and as their own country we should really give them their own space.
I can use my truck to help push them out to sea :)- EricSchC1, on 07/01/2008, -3/+18Hose down the horse poop first, please? Us Californians had foresight to make and enact waste management legislation.
- BOFH2, on 07/01/2008, -4/+3and to have a lot of cities going bankrupt! Good job!
- IndigoMoss, on 07/01/2008, -2/+9I'm guessing you are from the Midwest or Texas, so I hope you have a lot of money, because filling up that truck and driving out to California is going to cost you a good 1k easy.
I had to drive in this big ass Bronco to class for a few months because my car was on the fritz and it cost me a ***** ton of money. I think it probably got like 9 miles to the gallon.
- nikkilai, on 07/01/2008, -20/+88Seriously. When I studied in Europe, I got dirty looks when I told people I was American. But it was a whole other story when I started telling people I was a Californian...
- reuscel, on 07/01/2008, -36/+159Why? Did they start using smaller words and speaking more slowly?
- Pittance, on 07/01/2008, -3/+50Bigotry: we don't have a patent on it.
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -33/+22"more slowly"?
- ZenMojo, on 07/01/2008, -1/+21Because we're American, they already speak slowly. Since we're from California, they speak even slower to ***** with our highs.
- lavenderblue, on 07/01/2008, -9/+27"More slowly" is correct.
- biggerapple3am, on 07/01/2008, -2/+35I don't get people who try to push this idea that Europeans hate Americans, I've been all over Europe and met only friendly people who had no problem I'm an American... maybe you're just a douchebag?
- BOFH2, on 07/01/2008, -1/+13maybe they thought you had pot?
- Zurahn, on 07/01/2008, -5/+19Eh, why are people digging up "more slowly" and burying "More slowly is correct?"
Slower is an adjective (describes a noun). Slowly is an adverb (describes a verb). In this case, we're describing the verb "speaking" so "more slowly" is grammatically accurate.
/obsessive grammar - seanc6610, on 07/01/2008, -3/+11why is "more slowly" an issue? "slowlier" definitely is not a word, so yes, more slowly is the right way to say it.
- TwiztedDezign, on 07/01/2008, -7/+2How about "slower"?
- Skitals, on 07/01/2008, -4/+18"slower" doesn't have the same meaning as "more slowly". You can be doing something fast, and then do it slower. Said action could still be fast. Saying "more slowly" implies that the action was already slow, and has slowed even more.
- Zurahn, on 07/01/2008, -2/+1Ack, I just noticed now my above post said "digger up 'more slowly'" instead of "digging up 'slower'"
@Skitals: To avoid an implied initial slowness, instead say "less quickly." Slower has never been an accepted adverb to my knowledge. - JohnILM, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6@Skitals ... Slower and more slowly have similar meanings except one being a comparative form of an adjective (slower) and the other being a comparative form of an adverb (more slowly). When you are doing something fast and then asked to do it 'more slowly', that is perfectly correct as compared to how it was done the first time (fast), the second time is done 'more slowly' ... which means in a slower manner. Notice how slower there was used to describe the noun manner. Since the original sentence was describing how something was done, we needed an adjective to describe the verbs "doing" and/or "do". The words fast/faster/fastest are some of a few examples of words that can be used both as an adjective and an adverb. Slow/slower/slowest are to be used as adjectives (describing nouns/pronouns) and should not describe verbs.
--The perils of being a language arts teacher.
- doctechnical, on 07/01/2008, -10/+40Why bother? Just wait, eventually they'll fall off at the crease and float away, the Island of California.
- raptor87, on 07/01/2008, -0/+17and with double the beachfront real estate
- Goblin, on 07/01/2008, -2/+5And all that will be left is Arizona Bay /Hicks
- Modestexcuse, on 07/01/2008, -3/+3We could only hope. I can also hope that they quit moving up here to Oregon. They can leave themselves in California, along with their arrogance.
- jinnie, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2"float away"? more like "buried in the ocean."
and as a californian who's been living in portland for 5 years now, i can say absolutely that there are none more arrogant than those oregonian "natives" who still go on about the "don't californicate..." nonsense. it seems, at times, that non-oregonians are keeping your fair state afloat. not to mention that half the bands that comprise portland's killer indie music scene are transplants from other states. - jerrycurley, on 07/02/2008, -1/+0The San Andreas fault funs parallel to the coastline. Hence, no movement in the fault will cause the western side of the fault to pull away from the eastern side.
- Codeblew, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1Jinnie - OMG, whatever would us native Oregonians do without all you Californians coming up here? Get over yourself.
- noahhoward, on 07/01/2008, -18/+71Yeah lets see you fight your own fires, that'll provide some entertainment.
- lysdexic, on 07/01/2008, -11/+30That's cool with me! Let's see how the rest of you do without our tax money.
- punx, on 07/01/2008, -13/+26No *****, why are our boys (Nevada) constantly cleaning up their *****? Let it burn. No wait! Don't do that, then I would be stuck with more Californians moving to Vegas and driving 45 on the freeway, trying to impose their BS smoking bans, whining about the heat, and being general pains in the ass. If it's so Goddamn great in California, stay there! GTFO!
- EpicSelekta, on 07/01/2008, -3/+11You'll need it! We'll have Hollywood :)
- starsarebent, on 07/01/2008, -5/+11Actually we are fighting our own fires. Right this minute as a matter of fact.
- ZenMojo, on 07/01/2008, -13/+12Hell, we could fight our own fires if our National Guard wasn't illegally being used to fight wars in the Middle East.
- Namtaru, on 07/01/2008, -5/+14Since Nevada only exists for tourism and weapons testing, I would be a little nicer to that person going 45 on your crappy, boring highway.
- OtterStratton, on 07/01/2008, -2/+9@punx: 45 on the freeway? When Californians have an open stretch of highway (which, I'll grant you, could be more often), we'll bust it up to 95.
And when we go to Vegas, which is pretty much the only purpose of Nevada, we can go that fast. - DuffyDirect, on 07/02/2008, -3/+3I like how there's all this "we" when absolutely none of you are roughneck firefighters but computer nerds on digg.
- noahhoward, on 07/02/2008, -3/+3"That's cool with me! Let's see how the rest of you do without our tax money"
Go ahead keep your taxes... you know how much money we'll make off of shipping you your pot?
- Agraek, on 07/01/2008, -5/+141Hawaii and Alaska can come too...
- Spartycus, on 07/01/2008, -2/+24WTF Mate!
- madrid, on 07/01/2008, -1/+30THEE EAND!!!!1
- cornballer, on 07/01/2008, -3/+10"YO!" "Sup!"
- davidrools, on 07/01/2008, -3/+18sweet! oil and beaches. we're set.
- temporaryescape, on 07/01/2008, -1/+10cheerio!
- fatTJ, on 07/01/2008, -0/+35But I am Le Tired...
- Crosshare, on 07/01/2008, -0/+21zen have a nap...
- KidTechno, on 07/01/2008, -0/+12and a huge meteor is like, well ***** that...
- jinnie, on 07/02/2008, -0/+11*****' kangaroos
- Namelessthinker, on 07/02/2008, -3/+1Oregon would come along too, they are nothing without us.
- Latentk, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3Lolz, Nameless is absolutely not in on that joke.
- tokey7, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Those Chinese sons of a bitches...are going down.
- Crosshare, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2*deploys swiss army knife with tiny scissors extended*
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -26/+9Agreed. Anyone dumb enough to live in California belongs there, and should have to pass border patrol in order to come in contact with the real world outside it's borders.
- sadisticmind, on 07/01/2008, -3/+8you have the scent of a republican on you
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -3/+5You have the scent of political kool-aid on you
- EpicSelekta, on 07/01/2008, -3/+6Anyone dumb enough to find a place where you never have to shovel snow? Anyone dumb enough to find a place where you can go to a warm beach (it's not called a shore, you tarts) whenever you want? Or, most of all, anyone dumb enough to move to a state whose electoral vote actually matters? Yeah, I loooooove shoveling snow.
- ypSami, on 07/01/2008, -6/+5EpicSelekta: Nothing wrong with the STATE of california. Y'know, the sand, earth, trees, sun. Nice place geographically and geologically and meteorologically. I speak only of the terrible fake people who ruin such a nice place.
- reuscel, on 07/01/2008, -3/+2"Its" not "it's"
And in regards to your attempt at correcting my grammar, "more slowly" would be correct. "Slower" would be an adjective and not an adverb, and therefore not suitable to modify the verb "speak." And "slowlier" isn't a word, so I didn't use it. A valiant effort, though, really. - migatikon, on 07/01/2008, -0/+2Just as we should try not to judge states outside California by their fanatical Christian fundamentalists or judgmentally and logically static 'republicans' (if you can call them that--they're certainly not 'conservative'), it's improper to judge Californians based on our 'cultural' (if you can call it that) exports. California is a huge state. It's surprisingly stacked with republican citizens and simultaneously impressive with regard to it's consistently progressive political measures and citizen movements. California is furthermore an incredibly wealthy state, with an economy comparable with France's. Were it a country it would be the eighth largest economy in the world. Heavy industry, shipping, technology--these are the organs which constitute this success story. Popular entertainment is for many Californians as war is to the U.S.: an export which does not necessarily impact our dinner conversation (ethical implications aside). Even here in Los Angeles (where everyone is a film expert), 'Hollywood' is only a small but vocal subculture--either it's a tourist attraction or a minor industry, depending on your address.
In the final analysis, it's obvious we're doing something right. Of course ypSami does offer a manifest counterargument to the case against prejudice. - Netwatcher, on 07/01/2008, -1/+2You must be from *****.
- shaka999, on 07/01/2008, -1/+43After running their show for about 10min a spontaneous civil war would break out between the North and South.
- pacificislandr4, on 07/01/2008, -2/+42HELLA NOR-CAL!
Nah, bro, So-Cal. - WiseWeasel, on 07/01/2008, -13/+6Seriously, So. Cal can have their own country, they're almost as bad as East Coasters (except for the climate)...
- KMartSheriff, on 07/01/2008, -0/+9pacificislandr4:
As someone who was born and raised in Nor-Cal and now lives in So-Cal, I wish I could digg you up twice for your truth.
(I say hella sometimes just to piss people off ;) ) - davidrools, on 07/01/2008, -2/+2It also works well to misuse the so-cal phrase "a grip" (meaning many) by saying "grippa" (to mean very much) since "hella" can be used for both. That gets 'em every time.
- NolanRey, on 07/01/2008, -11/+6Nor-Cal hella sucks.
- nathanww, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4That would be like the quickest civil war ever--as in, like a week before the south runs out of water
- misterenigma07, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2I apologize ahead of time for this:
What do you call rocks found in Northern California?
Hellatite
- pacificislandr4, on 07/01/2008, -2/+42HELLA NOR-CAL!
- TheCamino, on 07/01/2008, -10/+28
Look, I like California, and my friends live there.
I would totally support an independent nation of California.
Less crap to deal with. A LOT LESS.
After all, California is bigger, more wealthy, and more populated than most nations, by far.
Adios California!- ZenMojo, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7We're also in one of the worst recessions in the country right now. Ouch.
- BOFH2, on 07/01/2008, -0/+6hmm bankrupt cities seem to be coming out of that. Go figure
- niceguydesign, on 07/01/2008, -0/+33If we weren't in so much debt that is....
- sadisticmind, on 07/01/2008, -5/+1thank you govenerator!!
hes helped us out soo much by closing down class sizes
yay! :'( - KMartSheriff, on 07/01/2008, -1/+8You mean thank you Gray Davis?
- herrshuster, on 07/01/2008, -0/+6legalize weed and tax it...that would help. hey we could become an independent nation with the economy based on marijuana
- UltraDavid, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7Best idea ever was Arnold's idea to fix the budget when he came in.
"Hm, I see we're $15,000,000,000 in debt... ok... Let's borrow $15,000,000,000 more." - Latentk, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2Wow, you two both need to do your research better. Sadistic, you are ridiculous to think that way, California has PROSPERED comparatively to California under the watch of Davis. And David, you have some sources, and proof to back that up?
- UltraDavid, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Suuuuuuuuuure
"California is facing a $15.2 billion budget deficit" Source: http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/03/ ...
"$15 billion for so-called 'economic recovery bonds' to patch a budget shortfall the first year [Arnold] took office" Source: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1031013.html
- sadisticmind, on 07/01/2008, -5/+1thank you govenerator!!
- Serris, on 07/01/2008, -16/+7Yes, because we all remember how the Gray Davis recall election wasn't a circus that made a mockery of the political process, with child actor turned security guards, porn actresses, and known pornographers all running for Governor. You guys definitely know how to run things better than the rest of us.
Please. Declare independence. We don't want you.- MoralThreat, on 07/01/2008, -0/+7We? You speak for the rest of the country?
- FrenchAnarchy, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1But who did we elect? That's right, the Governator!
- flashingcurser, on 07/01/2008, -2/+10So now, when the real estate heats up in California again, Californians wont sell their property and buy up everything available in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Montana? Driving up the real estate prices in those states to a point where the people who were born there can never hope to buy property.
Those of us here in Montana are all for it!- Donwangugi, on 07/01/2008, -2/+28All 5 of you.
- Gemfinder, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1Indeed. That map should insert "Backwards community in desperate need of annexation" between California and "Coffee."
- Nysul, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3They ***** with property in Arizona as well. I should have bought a home 6 years ago, instead I thought I would be responsible and first pay off my credits cards and save up lots of cash for a good downpayment. Now homes are easily 4x the cost as people are fleeing from cali to here, and the prices are unstable so there is no way I am buying right now.
My wife wants to move back to California as her entire family is there, but with the housing costs I'll be living in my parents basement for the next 10 years. Maybe I'll say see ya and move to austin TX if it hasn't already been taken over by Californians. - flashingcurser, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Yes, all 5 of us (and our thousands of Californian landlords).
- ccm1120, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4***** yes.
- MendozaLine, on 07/01/2008, -1/+37Only if they take the MPAA with them
- Cougnut415, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1Do Not Want.
- davidrools, on 07/01/2008, -1/+4What's that last A stand for, again? Th
- Rysac1, on 07/01/2008, -9/+83second.....
