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- angel.wardriver, on 09/18/2009, -1/+39Food fight!!!
- yocouchdigga, on 09/18/2009, -1/+29FTA: "Malaysia was recently embroiled in another cultural spat with a neighbour.
Indonesians held protests earlier this month accusing Malaysia of stealing a Balinese dance for a TV promotional campaign about Malaysia. It later turned out that Malaysia had nothing to do with the video, which had mistakenly described the dance as Malaysian. The video was broadcast on the Discovery Channel cable network, which apologized for the mistake." - When you can't trust the Discovery Channel not to start cultural wars over Balinese Dances, who can you trust? We live in scary times, people... - scentaroom, on 09/18/2009, -1/+24Malaysia, i'm claiming the taco...its mine all mine
- michaelpinto, on 09/18/2009, -1/+19As long as they interfere with the export of Thai Ice Tea I'm cool with this...
- WordsnCollision, on 09/18/2009, -1/+17I blame Mugatu.
- kbillar, on 09/18/2009, -1/+16According to US IP law, you can't copyright a recipe. You can patent one though, but it is extremely difficult. Aside from having to prove that it is "new", you also have the task of having to prove that it is not "obvious", which is far more difficult.
- AmyVernon, on 09/18/2009, -1/+16I'm hoping you meant to say as long as they DON'T interfere with the export of Thai ice tea?
- halipan, on 09/19/2009, -1/+16trust me, it's all BS. it's just some political BS from a politician who got that idea out of her ass. and common.. we malaysians never give a ***** about copyright laws. our technological advancements are driven by piracy for *****'s sake. in malaysia, cops/lawyers/musicians/every-*****-body buy pirated dvds/blu-rays/hd-dvd/vhs/tapes/betamaxes/games/softwares. And unless a piece of software is bundled together with the hardware, NOBODY buys an original copy. Oh yeah, and it's 20 times easier to buy a pirated copy. we even have big shopping malls dedicated to piracy. so yeah... my point is.. this lady just farted out this idea. in a week or two, she'll forget it. ;)
- badqat, on 09/18/2009, -0/+11Indeed!
- codyman, on 09/18/2009, -3/+13what can't you copyright this day and age?
I am going to copyright your mom, cause she's mine - lolwatermelon, on 09/19/2009, -2/+12Because if there's one part of the world that respects copyright, it's Asia?
I mean, once China gets that harshly worded email saying "we have copyright on your food," I'm sure they'll just stop cooking it. - askantik, on 09/19/2009, -0/+7The reason you go to Malaysia is because of a ***** Domino's Pizza?
- Groovydoo, on 09/19/2009, -1/+6You can't copyright a recipe or something procedure based.
- askantik, on 09/19/2009, -0/+5... I can only hope this was a joke.
- murocan, on 09/18/2009, -1/+5ahhh this is the same conflict we Turks have with Greeks. Not only about food but instruments and dances as well. Youtube is the warzone ;-)
- 5h0ckw4ve, on 09/18/2009, -1/+5all your food are belong to us!
- Silverskater145, on 09/19/2009, -2/+6When your name is Ng Yen Yen, I can't take you seriously.
- hazello, on 09/19/2009, -0/+4Yes, like software.
You can copyright code (the expression of an idea) but not the ideas or algorithms behind it. Other people can't take your code, but they can make software that functions the same.
Ideas and methods are covered by a patents. - scarredup, on 09/19/2009, -3/+7"Hainanese chicken rice is Malaysian"
wtf...Hainan isn't even a part of Malaysia - Mujokan, on 09/19/2009, -0/+4Presumably he works for Domino's ("right to life") Pizza?
- beggersfunk, on 09/19/2009, -0/+3Well written and good riddance for that!
- masterbis, on 09/19/2009, -2/+5I am not trying to start a dispute here, but Balinese dance wasn't the only one that Malaysia claimed from Indonesia. Back from few years ago Malaysia claimed Indonesian traditional clothing "Batik" belong to them (while it is inherited clearly from javanese ancestor). They also claimed "angklung" Indonesian traditional music as theirs while it's very obvious come from sundanese. From song, to dance, and now to recipe. I have several Malaysian friends, and they admit they don't fully agree with their government's policy. One of my malaysian friend stated like this was happen because malaysia "ashame" of themselves coz they don't have really "rich" culture. I guess, Malaysia should mirror USA, for having diversity but never in return claiming anything belong to them (in cultural sense), but let other culture mix into one without forgetting the fact where its coming from.
It's definite for example, the "malaysian" recipes that they'r about to claim are originally coming from chinese and india's cuisines. - darkfish, on 09/19/2009, -0/+3@edebolt
I wouldn't quite put it that way. I understand what you are saying. I would agree that Malaysian cuisine, like Thai cuisine, owes a lot to Indian and Chinese influences over the centuries.
It's bizarre that they would even claim this, when Nonya food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peranakan_cuisine) is some of the best food you can get in Malaysia or anywhere.
This is just pure stupidity from some politicians. - absurdist, on 09/19/2009, -0/+3Sweet merciful Dobbs...
With all the wonderful, varied, delicious, dirt cheap food available in KL and environs, you went for Domino's ***** Pizza?!
I suppose there simply is no accounting for taste. Or lack thereof. - askantik, on 09/19/2009, -0/+3Yes. You can have a catering business or a restaurant based entirely off of, say, Food Network recipes and there's nothing wrong with that.
Copyrighting a recipe seems pretty dumb anyway. You could technically add 1/8 of a teaspoon of salt or 3 dog boogers or a teaspoon of water and technically it isn't the same recipe, right? - kbillar, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2No *****, that is why I started out by saying "according to US IP law". It was kind of like a, FYI about US IP law and recipes.
- b33x, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2I am Malaysian and i havent thought of that.
dugg. - matty348, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2not to mention this is an international issue which US IP laws would not cover unless the issue was in the US.
- fragomatik, on 09/20/2009, -0/+2Really? With all the conflicts in the world today you Turks and Greeks can't find anything better to do than fight over who invented baklava? Don't you all realise that there is "nothing new under the sun"?
Alexander the Great's conquests introduced the west to South East Asian cuisine when he conquered the Indian sub-continent. That's why there are heaps of examples (eg. kofta, kebab, kari) of foods that western cultures have adopted for themselves and they all claim to have invented it first.
Do you think Italians invented spaghetti? No, Marco Polo brought the concept of noodles back to to Europe from China. Later, tomatoes and coffee came from the Americas, but now we all associate tomato-based noodles and espresso with Italian cuisine.
But as far as the Turks and Greeks go, I would have to side with the Greeks because they were *before* the Turks, who were still eating each other while the Greeks were inventing literature, philosophy, architecture and science. Granted, the long, brutal slavery of the Greeks under Turkish occupation probably meant there was cross-cultural "fertilisation" on both sides, but trying to unravel "who did it first" is probably a futile exercise. It just gives your two cultures something to fight about :) - kbillar, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2Exactly, and the "copyright" is not protecting the physical recipe, just the words, or rather the recipe written out. All one has to do is change a 1/4 of a teaspoon to 1/2 of a teaspoon, and there you go. The BEST way to protect a recipe is to just keep it a trade secret.
- Mujokan, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2I doubt they'll actually take legal measures. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/ ...
- dano777, on 09/19/2009, -1/+3Idiotic actions like these make me ashamed to be Malaysian!
- flieger, on 09/19/2009, -1/+3Malaysian politicians are all a joke anyway.
- kuraiken, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2my sentiment as malaysian exactly..
dugg.. - subterfu9e, on 09/19/2009, -1/+3As a Peranakan Chinese, trust me, we wolf down more Malay & Indian food than Chinese. Proper Malay food is anything but bland.
- JohnnySoftware, on 11/16/2009, -0/+1Someone patented curry a while back as kind of a joke or to make a point, I think.
Copyright is not an appropriate intellectual property mechanism for recipes.
They could go with trade secret but it might be a bit late for that if knowledge of the recipe was not tightly controlled by a company. 8-P
They could do a patent so long as the foods in question have not been available to the public for a year, yet. 8-D
IANAL but that is kind of the gist of what I have picked up from being a programmer over many years. - digitalArtform, on 09/19/2009, -1/+2I like these retroactive copyright claims.
Now the European countries should take Snow White, Cinderella, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty back from Disney. - stroogle, on 09/28/2009, -0/+1It's good that Malaysia is fighting for the what are ours before those food got hijacked by other countries. However, maybe it should be done quietly and not widely announced!
- fragomatik, on 09/22/2009, -0/+1@murocan: okay, point taken - I guess I did go off a bit didn't I?
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. I know many Turks and many Greeks (and Croats and Serbians) as friends and work colleagues, and it really ***** me off to see people who are great individuals become nationalistic arseholes when it comes to their cultural history (stuff that happened centuries ago).
I work with this Greek guy (who wasn't even born there) who refused to come to lunch with the rest of us because we going to have Turkish Pizza! On the other hand there is this brilliant Turkish analyst programmer, who is just the coolest guy to work with, but is totally racist against the Greeks! His kid goes to school at a private Islamic Grammar School, but his kid's teacher has a Greek surname. So when his kid got a bad report card, he accused the teacher of being prejudiced against him. Even after she explained to him that she was actually of British heritage, but had married a British-born Greek, he still insisted that she was a racist. There's no reasoning with some people when it comes to nationalism :( - murocan, on 09/21/2009, -0/+1Woah! Serious guy is serious! My comment was light hearted and my nation ends up being put down :(
But nice fact about spaghetti! :) - inactive, on 09/18/2009, -1/+2Relax.
- stubear, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1They have tried a few times to trademark foods named after regions (bologna, champagne, etc.). It's never gotten them anywhere but this doesn't stop them from trying once in a while.
- digitalArtform, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1Like software?
- OutAndAbout, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1Hainanese chicken rice in Malaysia is actually very different from the Chinese Hainan chicken rice.
It's really just a branding term that was coined by Chinese immigrants in Malaysia and Singapore. Kind of like General Tso's chicken in the US.
The rice is prepared differently, and the use of locally accessible ingredients like lime and chili padi, make this a very tasty and unique dish. - JohnnySoftware, on 11/16/2009, -0/+1If everybody and their grandma knows it, I guess it is obvious. :-)
- ConnerWoods, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1roflmfoa
- inactive, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1HANDS OFF MY DOGSTIRCLES
- meachen, on 09/19/2009, -3/+4does that include stir fried dog testicles?
- aronnyc, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1My parents went to Hainan. Found out that they haven't heard of their own chicken rice.
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