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- mooseofshadows, on 11/22/2009, -1/+40Maybe they should stop closing their ports all the time.
- austroLogi, on 11/22/2009, -5/+39Maybe they should stop having 12 kids they can't feed
- AmnesiacJack, on 11/22/2009, -6/+37Over breeding and raping the land are their main problems it looks like though global warming makes a nice scape goat.
"She tells them: Three of her 12 children died."
"Maka has a respiratory infection, simple to cure, but a killer. She doesn't want to take him to the hospital and leave eight children at home."
"The second thing, after the sacrifice, was to slash and burn every bit of greenery. It took only a day."
Blame global warming all they want but being ignorant of what the land can actually support is a bigger problem. - supersonicjim, on 11/22/2009, -1/+18Just stop *****!
- Skankingmike, on 11/22/2009, -4/+18You can't educate people. Religions in many sects forbid birth control because they want more followers. Muslims and Catholics alike will fight to keep their religion #1. You'll never stop people from having as many kids as they want even China couldn't stop it's population growth despite it's made up numbers it boasted.
Or we can keep sending people tons of food and money and create more dictatorial leaderships in Third world countries. - Bloodweaver, on 11/22/2009, -0/+13No one wants to touch the issue of overpopulation. People just bury their head in the sand even when everything points to the land having a limit to the human population it can support.
- dusanmal, on 11/22/2009, -0/+11You can stop them if you stop supporting their bad habit. Average birth rate in Madagascar is over 5. Unsustainable. Cut any international aid until this rate drops by half and let parents look at their starving children and start thinking rationally - not wanting more than coupe children. Brutal, yet completely reflecting laws of Nature.
- SweetNeo85, on 11/22/2009, -0/+10DAMMIT you beat me by seven minutes. Shoulda got up earlier.
- SweetNeo85, on 11/22/2009, -1/+10Not if you do it by implementing birth control. And I don't mean involuntary birth control or abortion. I mean educating and empowering women so they can choose when they have a family. Not simple by any means, but also not genocide.
- rocknog, on 11/22/2009, -0/+9The environmental movement is ultimately selfish? No *****, Sherlock. Of course self-preservation is the primary motivator for environmentalism. Jesus, what rock did douche-bags like yourself crawl out from under? If you think self-preservation is such a monstrous cause, you're a more horrible person than the people you're attempting to mock here.
- frousfroud, on 11/22/2009, -4/+13This story was absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. I despise the wars going on right now as much as you do, but there's a place for that and this isn't ***** one of them.
- shdwfx, on 11/22/2009, -3/+10"its temperature has risen 10%"
Meaning.. what exactly? The value in Celsius? Fahrenheit? Kelvin? - Skankingmike, on 11/22/2009, -2/+8I'm pretty sure you just helped my point. The Mayans had a religion too you know? No society has been devoid of their own major religion or a version of another. Even the US is based on founded on Judeo-christian values.
I am NOT an atheists but nice try.
Those people are in those countries to CONVERT non believers so they can go to heaven. So please stop acting like there is no ulterior motive to their intent. It's no different than the missionaries in all of America who wanted to "help Indians" by converting them and making them see that the missionaries religion was right.
I - schnikies79, on 11/22/2009, -0/+6@Skankingmike
Infant mortality is around 7.5% there, so chances are that 4 of those 5 children would live. - inactive, on 11/22/2009, -1/+6SHUT
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EVERYTHING - redscofield, on 11/22/2009, -1/+6So what you're saying is it's not like the movie?
- drunkenkite, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4SHUT
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EVERYTHING! - stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4Optimally yes. Unfortunately poor people tend to choose genocide instead, and education (even if political authority let you implement it) cannot overcome cultural bias in presence of poverty. This is the point of failure for the global capitalist network, and why capitalism, despite its heyday; is growing obsolete as an economic system. The solution to the poverty that drives reproduction is debt forgiveness and focusing foreign aid on developing the infrastructure and education that will enrich working people to the point where their quality of life demands fewer children.
Unfortunately that would interfere with the multinational corporations exploitation of their resources, or perhaps those of their neighbors; so it is effectively impossible for the time being. We will have to live with genocide for a while yet, as the monster that capitalism has become slowly dies. And all the more so, as long as we swell the population of the poor by providing them with food, water and temporary shelter alone. - stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4Pope's have been shouting that at their priests for 1500 years; it doesn't do any good.
- falcon1, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4I agree with you that most of out problem stem from over population, but its not as easy as just getting a bunch of people to die. Would you be fine with it if the people who ended up dead in this "big war" were your friends and family? We really just need to educate people and a lot of problem would work themselves out.
- FormerBabby, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4If I were in this situation I would not be having kids, thats for damn sure.
- mksmothers, on 11/22/2009, -0/+4We? Why should I have to pay the cost because some despot country can't figure out how to have an infrastructure, government or economy? Bad governments and decisions lead to things like this. If we bail them out, we'll be doing it again in 10 years.
- carlosos, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3Don't worry, next week we will have another article about a country dieing because they don't have enough children. For some reason those countries are the "rich" countries. I wonder why...
- lurcherman, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3Is it up to Madagascan women how many children they have; or does someone else decide?
- Frisbinator, on 11/22/2009, -5/+8Dude, quit using religion as your scapegoat, do you think that people didn't starve to death or deforest land prior to Christianity and Islam? The Mayans had completely deforested their land by around 1000 AD and you can trace the extinction of large mammals with the arrival of humans in places like North America, Australia and yes, Madagascar. Religion has always been an easy scapegoat, the jews have faced most of the brunt throughout history, and now whiners like you who want to avoid the true sense of the problems decide to go ahead and point a finger at Christianity and Islam for the starvation of millions. You ever stop and think about what types of people devote their lives to living in impoverished countries to set up charities to feed the starving and diseased? It sure as hell isn't whiny atheists who run around blaming religion for the world's problems.
- schnikies79, on 11/22/2009, -1/+4Religion is a human product. Remove it and humans will put something equally bad/detrimental in it's place.
Religion is a scapegoat for natural human tendencies. - JoeHague, on 11/22/2009, -1/+4Children are dying in an African country, rife with political turmoil, because of drought?
Shocker/ - schnikies79, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3@lurcherman
In this case, nature decides, and we shouldn't get in the way. - stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3I don't think it's that simple skank. And you do seem to have an ax to grind.
- Rudegar, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3got to move it move it
- Pother, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3So what you're telling me, is that Madagascar is not covered in trees/jungle anymore?
90% are gone?
Its one big fat 'Scar with millions of humans destined to die sooner than later because they've used up most of the natural resources they were depending on to live, and changed their micro-climate to boot?!?!
Gee where have we heard this story before...
...right here on Digg; that story about Nazca.
There's some new commandments forming out of these patterns that need to be spread across this planet and from generation to generation for the survivors of humanity...
1.) Do NOT cut down all the [*$%&#$!] trees!
2.) Do NOT have more children than you can feed, from your labor and environment!
Others...? - masterstghm, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3You know, if people can live well in the desert, then this is ridiculous.
- schnikies79, on 11/22/2009, -0/+3@Skankingmike
Their overall child mortality rate is nowhere near 70% as you put it. Either way, having children simply as a insurance policy is nothing more selfishness and greed.
Screw the environment and everyone/everything around me. At least I'll have someone to wipe my ass when I'm old. - pixeldust, on 11/22/2009, -1/+3Spending money like that just makes the problem worse, the land simply can't support as many people as it has. The only real solution is less people and more sustainable practices.
- pixeldust, on 11/22/2009, -0/+2Since when does suggesting not having more kids than you can feed constitute genocide? Not to mention sustainable practices don't necessitate a totally agrarian society.
Throwing money at the problem doesn't fix it, addressing overpopulation and near complete destruction of the land they rely on to survive however does. How do you propose the problem be tackled without fixing the root cause? - SweetNeo85, on 11/22/2009, -0/+2@ lurcherman
.....so THEY CAN CHOOSE when they have a family... meaning the women themselves. - Barackalypse, on 11/23/2009, -0/+2Subsistence farming is a crappy life, especially in arid places like Southern Madagascar. This problem is hardly new and hardly unique, vast swaths of Africa have the same issues.
- Skankingmike, on 11/22/2009, -1/+3@schnikies79 Infant sure but what about 10 year olds? and teenagers? The point of poor families having many children is a means of retirement. Having more kids insures that when they are older, the parents, they will be taken care of by at least one of their children if not all of them.
- stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+2Suppose it was established that your own government, or perhaps one of its allies; installed and maintains said despot to ensure the natural resources of the country in question are exploited for the good of a network politically influential multinational corporations, instead of the people who live there. What then?
Search for John Perkins on YouTube; I think you will be surprised what he has to say about this. - sndream, on 11/23/2009, -0/+2I highly doubt that people living in the desert have a dozen kids.
- torontoliam, on 11/22/2009, -0/+2Unless they're refering to absolute temperatures (Kelvin or Rankine), then this is shameful reporting.
- stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1Well said. I find it surprising that Atheists tend to be so myopic where evolution is concerned, given how they rail on-and-on about it.
- papashawn, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1it looked ok in the disney movies...
- stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1You left out the bankers; a fatal mistake, as John Kennedy discovered the hard way.
- stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1It doesn't have to be war. But it looks like that is how it will be, and in fact already is.
- rocknog, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1@Skankingmikr
Ah, I see - you start off from the false assumption that there are no real practical benefits to caring about the environment. And I mean sure, on the surface it seems to be just about protecting plants and animals and *****. But ultimately, the reason we care about those things is because we know their existence impacts us. - inactive, on 11/23/2009, -0/+1except the gay ones and non christian ones, those children get to BURN IN HELL
- stonebear, on 11/22/2009, -0/+1You make a good point dusanmal, but that really is an extraordinarily conservative point of view. Perhaps we shouldn't rush to brutality. Maybe the foreign aid should applied differently, with long term sustainability in mind. And perhaps free of neocolonial motives.
- waleedo, on 11/23/2009, -0/+1um...no *****.
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