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Wil Wheaton offers his opinion on Star Trek: TNG 2.0 on G4
wilwheaton.typepad.com — "I absolutely hate that they're doing this. Star Trek 2.0 takes the content of the show ... and reduces it to a tiny afterthought on the screen, while a whole bunch of mindless crap scrolls by all around it. ... Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
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- PDelahanty, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25So TNG 2.0 would be "Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Next Generation"? :)
- Johnnycashak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
Man, who knew Ensign WhineyAss could be so elloqent? That's exactly the way I feel about G4 these days too. The only show I can stand on that channel is Xplay, and even that one requires Tivo'ing so I can fast forward past their mind-numbingly retarded intern skits. - geonet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Watch it with tvtime on Linux and set overscan to 47.5%. All the crap goes away and it looks normal.
- Johnnycashak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
- matriculated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42Rather than watch TNG 2.0 just read Wheaton's retro reviews on TVSquad.com - they're hilarious!
- PDelahanty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I agree! Hey Wil, how about recording a few commentary tracks like Ron Moore does for his Battlestar Galactica podcast? If they're anything like your TVSquad articles, they'd be an instant hit! I'd gladly subscribe to help you cover bandwidth costs as well. :)
- mhanley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I would DEFINITELY listen to a Wil Wheaton commentary track!
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6+digg for PDelahanty:
I would definately like ST:TNG audio commentary. Doit! Doit! Doit! - Rosco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@matriculated, Thanks for the heads up! I have to be honest, I have never read any of them yet. and just finished reading the one on the title "Justice". Funniest damn thing I have ever read!
Wil, Please keep up the great reviews!
- monergism, on 10/12/2007, -35/+3Let me know when his opinion matters. I wish he was a red shirt.
- Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Pfft. Security and engineering uniforms changed to yellow in ST:TNG. If you're going to make an insult, do it right. Or aren't you nerd enough? :P
- monergism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character)
Original ST:TOS.
- PhoenixDJT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27"Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
X2 - daRoach, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2While I, along with 90% of male TNG fans, hate Westley Crusher, I agree that TNG 2.0 is bad news. Oh well, Spike still airs the show pre-molested.
- davidjunit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
I'm not a fan of Star Trek and I only kinda know who this guy is but I can already tell that I surely like him.- realyst, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's made even better that he was employed with G4 for a very short period of time before leaving on bad terms(he described his boss and what he was doing in very colorful terms on a blog post, I believe. Either that or a Slashdot post.) He was also one of the many vocal critics of the TechTV butchery.
So yeah, him and G4 have a history:P
(btw: it's dangerous admitting ignorance of a ST actor on Digg. Far too many kneejerk trekkies risk digging you down when you insult their religion) - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Or worse, they'll try to do the Vulcan Nerve Pinch on you. But usually all it takes is a few good slaps to the face to get them to keel over like a red shirt on an away mission.
Star Trek 2.0 is a complete bastardization of what might have been something interesting.
- realyst, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's made even better that he was employed with G4 for a very short period of time before leaving on bad terms(he described his boss and what he was doing in very colorful terms on a blog post, I believe. Either that or a Slashdot post.) He was also one of the many vocal critics of the TechTV butchery.
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17In all seriousness, this does suck. I'd rather just watch the original show than mindless crap being scrolled across the screen.
"ZOMG, SPOCK OWNS UR MOM!111"
"OH NOES HE DOESNT'ED" - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7He's totally right about G4 ruining Tech TV, and itself in the process. G4 has become almost unwatchable now unless your looking for T&A instead of Tech News(anyone try to watch Attack of the Show lately? lol what a joke). And Star Trek 2.0 is one of the dumbest programming moves I've ever seen on a network. The Star Trek 2.0 episodes are unwatchable with all that worthless crap on the screen.
- fatesclwn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I mostly agree with you here. Except for one thing. Electronic Playground is still a pretty good show. Probably the only thing i actually enjoy on G4.
Edit: Oh!!! And that show Game Makers is not to shabby either.
- fatesclwn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I mostly agree with you here. Except for one thing. Electronic Playground is still a pretty good show. Probably the only thing i actually enjoy on G4.
- Goatman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Actually Spike edits stuff out, so they can fit in more commercials.
- RockMyMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?" Ummm? No. Isn't it obvious by now? :D It's ok thogh because the way G4 is losing money they will be gone within the year. Wil Wheaton and the real TNG will still be here.
- Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Jesus. *****. Christ. Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
Nope, everything they touch turns to *****. I can't even believe they'd do this after the results they got with Star Trek 2.0. The only reason I ever watch G4 is the reruns of TNG. Apparently I won't be doing that anymore. - vanscott, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36I don't know how you can't like this guy
http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/images/clownsweater.jpg- daRoach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Birthday present from Captain Picard.
- obrysii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3To be honest, I like him more for that.
- 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I completely agree with Wil on this one. G4 and their whole "2.0" thing ***** all over Star Trek. Then again, G4 ***** all over everything.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I 100% agree as well. That 2.0 is a hunk of *****. Not worth watching at all. G4 should be ashamed. I thought that channel was bankrupt anyway? Why is it still on the air?
What NBC is doing is much better. Completely restoring the original series in high definition with special effects that honor the series, not distract from it. A great deal of work to make sure things look proper and not out of place. - maledei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what is that all about, I'm not from the states, so what exactly is scrolling around on startreck and how? do they cut the episodes?
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They have a chatroom display on the bottom, and made up retarded ***** on the sides and top of the screen (like a 'spock market' ticker... I'm not kidding). Worthless.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I 100% agree as well. That 2.0 is a hunk of *****. Not worth watching at all. G4 should be ashamed. I thought that channel was bankrupt anyway? Why is it still on the air?
- ipfilt3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Is there anything G4 can't completely ruin?"
NO. No there's not - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1PS: That "Spock Market" is so clever ins't it???! Gene Roddenberry must be rolling over in his grave right now. Someone please beam G4 out into space.
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9hawkeye17: "Gene Roddenberry must be rolling over in his grave right now."
G4 Exec: "Great! Let's shrink him down 40% and fill the rest of his coffin with annoying scrolling ***** so those watching him roll over in his grave will have to see our annoying ***** too!"
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9hawkeye17: "Gene Roddenberry must be rolling over in his grave right now."
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I hate it enough when I'm watching TNG and some noisy (yes, some even make sound!) huge banner covers the lower third of the screen.
G4's 2.0 crap must die.- Hermitwise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No G4 must die, it must burn for murdering TechTv... burn I say
- scottschiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Does this mean all the characters on Star Trek will be bloggers in the uh, spaceosphere, designing wormhole vortals with ajax and rail.. technologies, contributing to the wisdom of the kirksonomy?
(Either way, I bet you G4 will have a blog about this.)
- Netmindstorm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Better G4 2.0 ST:TNG....surround the show with digg users' comments
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That wouldn't work. Every show that was a rerun (all of TNG) you'd get 50 people calling 'dupe'.
And everytime Troi would appear with that rediculous 'dildo on the head' hairdo it'd be a mixture of 'lame, buried' and '***** or gtfo' - lightningrod220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I seriously hope that your comment was meant as sarcasm...
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That wouldn't work. Every show that was a rerun (all of TNG) you'd get 50 people calling 'dupe'.
- LubbertDas, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1My fond feelings for Wil aside... ST:TNG just hasn't aged very well. Certainly not nearly as well as TOS. Generally sub-standard writing, too-talky scripts mired in techno-babble. WAY to politically correct. DS9 was a bit better, but lets be honest, it's not a great show.
In writing quality, it simply can't compare to Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Lost, or Firefly.- obrysii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wait 10 years and say that again about Battlestar Galactica or Firefly.
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well you're overdue since the original Battlestar Galactica debuted almost 30 years ago.
- obrysii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I assume he meant that new series.
- prh99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's a nice summary of what G4 is all about, ruining whatever they touch. Now that they've moved away from tech and videos games they seem to be a cheap copy of SpikeTV (who by the way still shows Star Trek without the crap)...except they(G4) can't even do that right. G4 is dead last in ratings, the only thing keeping them on the air is Comcast and station bundling.
- Eldorian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1G4 still mind boggles me.
TechTV was an awesome network I loved to watch.
G4 was a decent network I enjoyed from time to time.
G4 buys TechTV. How in the hell they went from awesome and decent programming to absolute crap astounds me. I mean, do they have George W. Bush running the network, or another monkey type equivalent?- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Correction: ZDTV was awesome. TechTV was ok, but things were sliding even then. G4 is total *****, except when they show trek unmollested and Happy Tree Friends.
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7YES! TechTV was A LOW END version of the excellent ZDTV.
Todays history lesson for you kids:
1) First we had ZDTV which ad talent galore, was part of the whole ZD family and tied right into all their partners like PCMagazine, their testing labs etc.. and kate. :)
2) ZiffDavis decided to bail on the TV Thing, and then we had TechTV. It was good but not nearly as good or as high a quality content since there was no longer an experienced tech publishing company and their resources behind it. They also didn't have near as much money as ZD did so the quality suffered there as well and they could not afford to try as many new things out and keep as strict a tech focus as ZDTV did.
3) Then came G4 who HAD THEIR OWN channel already but it sucked and no cable providers or satellite companies would show it....because it sucked. But all the cable companies and sat DID CARRY TechTV, so G4 ***** lots of money out their ass and basically PURCHASED TECHTV to destroy it and buy their way onto the cable companies for their crappy G4 content that no one wanted to show in the first place... at first they tried to pretend like it was a "merger" but eventually they slowly destroyed all the Tech-related stuff and left a bunch of crap in its place.
4) Today....all we have is memories...sweet memories. - Eldorian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I never got into TechTV until about a year before it's merger with G4... mainly because we didn't have satellite/internet at the time (I live in a very remote area). So yeah, I didn't know about ZDTV.
However, we don't have memories... we still have Revision 3, Diggnation, DL.TV, and TwiT.
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Correction: ZDTV was awesome. TechTV was ok, but things were sliding even then. G4 is total *****, except when they show trek unmollested and Happy Tree Friends.
- martynelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I didn't think anyone watched G4 anymore...
- SoupsMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2College guys like me do. Everytime i see it, i want to die. I also only saw the last year of TechTV. any way, all i watch it for is...In your pants, ST:TNG, XPlay and Happy Tree friends. ST seems to be ruined. First they show the same 2 STTNG shows 4 times a day in rotation, now its down to a bareable 2. But they want to ***** it up. yay. scratch one off my list.
Xplay is full of crap lately...always. The reviews are pitifull. The "reviews" they do are complete jokes. I might as well ask the back of the game box how good the game is. Ive never seen more vauge game reviews. And now its a bunch of PS2 and Wii "coverage" from 6 months ago. Glah!
And happy tree friends arent shown often enough. Once a week is sad. Maybe twice, for Wed night.
G4 is nothing on tv-done with homework-no parties to go to-no books to read back ground noise. Thats why college people watch it yet.
- SoupsMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2College guys like me do. Everytime i see it, i want to die. I also only saw the last year of TechTV. any way, all i watch it for is...In your pants, ST:TNG, XPlay and Happy Tree friends. ST seems to be ruined. First they show the same 2 STTNG shows 4 times a day in rotation, now its down to a bareable 2. But they want to ***** it up. yay. scratch one off my list.
- TheToecutter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Trek 2.0 on G4 blows goats. That's when I turn the channel.
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I turn the channel when I realize I've landed on G4.
- nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've lost faith in the networks (most)... except Cartoon Network, so far.
I used to not like DS9 though... but Spike started doing reruns during my lunch broke... ***** played it from 12am-1pm, meaning I couldn't see the last 15 minutes. ARG! Drove me nuts. Anyways, it pulled me into the DS9 series (I don't recall which episodes, something about the Dominion invasion on DS9?).
hehe, I remember the joke my dad told me about Dragon Ball Z:
Q: How many DBZ characters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Just 1. But it takes 7 episodes.
/yes, I have add... I don't think in a straight line. - ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Do a google search on G4 TV ratings. The search results are hysterical. Across the board. G4 TV is the least watched cable channel in the country.
- sm579417, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0TNG ended 12 years ago. G4's only trying to a way to freshen up the series. Granted the 2.0 format is a bad idea - but maybe they're going for a New Coke strategy. Judging from the reaction doesn't this seem plausible?
G4 should run one TNG episode a night and stretch it over 2 hours with one of its female anchors moderating a panel of Trekkies breaking down the episode.- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, now that's an idea! They should get Wil Wheaton to host actually. They could to a MST3K style voiceover during the eps too. In fact, let's just bring back MST3K, replace mike with Wil, and get Brent Spiner to replace Crow. Brent Spiner with yellow contacts.
We'll keep Tom tho, and they'll just do episodes of various ST series.
And occasionally Law and Order.
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, now that's an idea! They should get Wil Wheaton to host actually. They could to a MST3K style voiceover during the eps too. In fact, let's just bring back MST3K, replace mike with Wil, and get Brent Spiner to replace Crow. Brent Spiner with yellow contacts.
- rinkjustice, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Wil needs his mouth washed out with soap.
- Arkitan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I watched it once, because I saw Star Trek on the screen, but all the crap on the sides is distracting, its worse than those channels that shove all kinds of crap into the lower third when they first come back from commercial. Asshats, each and every one of them.
And I'd have to agree with Wil, G4 would ***** up a wet dream. - Blue_Eon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I really am dumbfounded by G4. It's like they can't decide what demographic to go after, thus why they keep changing formats. It seems like they'll do anything to avoid having to admit that tech oriented programs are better than what they have now. Why is it even called GT4 anymore. Hell, Spike TV has more game oriented shows than G4 does.
I mean, what was the point in buying TechTV when they kept almost none of their shows and the shows they did keep, they turned into shows that were more about fluff and less about games.
You can tell it's run by a bunch of old suits who think that all people 18-30 are interested in whips, dubs, rap music, scantily clad Asian women, and canceled reject shows from other networks. How many shows of are actually G4 originals? Very few if any.
They're trying too hard to be too many different things. They want to try and appeal to the nerd, they want to try and appeal to the frat boys, they want to try and appeal to the gamers, but they do it so horribly that it's pathetic. All the shows are either second rate shows that other networks do better or rejected shows that no one ever watched anyway.
It's sad that TechTV had to die for this to take place. - tekmage3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1G4 is a freaking waste!!
- MajorKong, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I'm seeing a lot of anger in that post from young Wil. Maybe some paying work that someone noticed would mellow him out.
- knodi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I hate this Wil Wheaton but he has a point that G4 is crap.
- Lunarshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I miss the early days of G4. Back when they had shows like Portal, Icons, and Pulse. They started turning to crap a few months before they bought TechTV.
- diggthiscrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree with Wil 100%, the show is completely unwatchable and a travesty -- and I am not even a Trek fan :( But everyone knows that G4 is retarded and stopped bebing about games before it really started -- its like MTV, but compressed 20 years into 20 months :(
- cw1925, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I like it. I don't care what anyone says. It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
- Loonier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Wil rocks! BTW, what happened to G1, G2 and G3?
- flickerbrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They were other failed attempts at a third tier cable network by Comcast.
- cbgaloot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I'll stick with my DVDs. I watched TOS when they did that to it, it sucked.
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http://www.givemetheinfo.com/Christmas-prank-gifts/ - cbgaloot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's a link to those commentaries by Wil.
http://www.tvsquad.com/bloggers/wil-wheaton/ - crusher914, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I mean, what was the point in buying TechTV when they kept almost none of their shows and the shows they did keep, they turned into shows that were more about fluff and less about games."
well put - Cygnus666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1g4 is *****. i used to constantly flip back and forth between g4 and tech TV...one had the games and the other had the tech, and now...there is barely anything on g4 that remotely resembles tech...someone needs to put that channel out of its misery. g4 ruined a perfectly good channel. I can't believe the crap they show...i mean there is nothing wrong with cops, and star trek or the man show...but for ***** sake!!! ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A TECHNOLOGY CHANNEL. Its the same thing that happened to MTV!!!
- voltron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wil Wheaton holds a special place in my heart. He is the one person in my mind who holds the designation of being a wide-brimmed asshat. But I do agree G4 is worse than my doberman's day old turds.
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