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- nanded, on 01/15/2009, -5/+204I would say that in this case, the transporters count for 10 points. Case in point...
Sulu - Captain, their point defense field poses a mild threat to our shields.
Kirk - Hmmm. Scotty, do they have any defensive shielding which could block the transporter?
Scott - Negative sir, transporter beam operating at 100%.
Kirk - Start beaming their crew into space, start with the bridge.
Scott - Aye sir. - zadadka, on 01/15/2009, -6/+107Photon torpedoes fired from a parsec away would drop BSG before DRADIS even woke up.
Bullets won't get through ST vessel's shields, period
Additionally, BSG is analogous to a hulking paddle steamship, needing close quarters combat to maximise it's potential using conventional ordnance...whereas ST vessels are like corsairs and privateers, able to make fast strafing passes, firing phasers or photon torpedoes etc..
Enterrpise would win, hands down. - jboitnott, on 01/15/2009, -17/+107Enterprise FTW!
- clankster, on 01/15/2009, -5/+80I'll tell you who doesn't win: the author's sex life.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/15/2009, -4/+64Article sort of ignores the fact that Trek has nukes too, and larger explosives.
Gives points to Raptors weapons vs. Shuttles, but ignores bullets being ineffective against shuttle shields.
Ignores shuttles or ship beaming torpedoes into Galactica. (Assumes instant Trek loss if shields went down even for an instant, even when nukes aren't incoming).
Claims DRADIS is more useful yet it has less range, and is famously unreliable. - inactive, on 01/15/2009, -0/+55Kirk would make passionate love to Starbuck, and declare victory for the Federation.
- gkwillie, on 01/15/2009, -1/+56Navigational shields on the enterprise alone should be enough to defend against bullets. I submit that the kinetic energy of point particles is relativistically much, much higher then any sub-light bullets can be fired at, and those systems function automatically 100% of the time on the ship. Ditto for the shuttles.
The only way that BSG stands a fighting chance in hell is if you don't understand the capacities of Star Trek Tech, as in this inexcusably biased piece, dammit. - Peko, on 01/15/2009, -3/+54Apple vs. Orange: Who would win?
- inactive, on 01/15/2009, -0/+49I was a big BSG fan but there is no way BSG could beat Enterprise.
- Dumbledorito, on 01/15/2009, -1/+44The Intellectual Property lawyers would win.
- peep, on 01/15/2009, -0/+39So a lot of the points for the Galactica come down to there tech being more cool looking. It says the torpedoes are better than the nukes, and gives it to the nukes? It says the sensors are better on Enterprise and gives it to Galactica? Nothing Galactaca has could get through the shields, but Galactica flak system is better? TOS Enterprise would wipe the floor with Galactica. Now the prequel enterprise would definitely be another story.
- MrFurious2k, on 01/15/2009, -3/+39Is the author insane? The author clearly has no idea of the tech behind Star Trek. I appreciate his willingness to stick up for BSG, but this would be a bit like taking a modern missile frigate against old iron sides. It'd be a slaughter. The fight would never occur though. Despite the cliche of Kirk going in guns blazing, he was remarkably restrained if you watch the series. He rarely fired unless there was more than ample reason to do so. He tended to avoid combat unless it was absolutely called for.
- suttondj, on 01/15/2009, -18/+53imperial star destroyer
- TracerMan, on 01/15/2009, -5/+36While you're debating, I will be having sex.
- inactive, on 01/15/2009, -1/+31Or Kirk takes a shuttle over and has sex with all the women.
- Vorsprung, on 01/15/2009, -1/+31An A-wing spiraling into the bridge.
- TWGMichael, on 01/15/2009, -1/+30Go Banana!
- dikky, on 01/15/2009, -1/+29neither, both will get into dire situations but then conveniently get out of them. Except it'll take a year to find out how BSG did it
- CrazedLeper, on 01/15/2009, -1/+27Well, let's break it down, shall we?
Weapons.
On the plus side, The Galactica contains any number of smaller fighter jets as well as turrets as well as nukes but the majority of its weapons are projectile ordinance. In space, you just can't wait for those things to reach their targets. The Enterprise has photon torpedoes which are faster but probably not quite as powerful as nukes. That fact, however, has advantages in close-range fighting. The Enterprise also has shielding which protects against radiation, projectiles and particle weapons. Advantage: Enterprise.
Support:
The Battlestar Galactica was about to be mothballed when it was pressed back into service and now spends the majority of it's time fleeing a misanthropic cult of homicidal toasters with a collective identity crisis. Galactica has no support from any kind of repair station or even a second planet or race of allies. To make matters worse, they have a number of civilian ships always tagging along, draining resources and attracting fire. The Galaxy class Enterprise, on the other hand, has only 2 shuttlecraft and they aren't much for fighting. The Enterprise has the support of Utopia Planetia as well as the entire Federation, however, in addition to the ability to replicate new parts. Advantage: Enterprise.
Propulsion:
The Enterprise has warp and impulse engines and both are reliable--until a plot twist is needed. The Galactica has jump drive, however, which does not actually need to cross the space between 2 points and does not leave a glowing ion trail pointing out it's every navigation maneuver. Unless a Cylon manages to hide a homing beacon aboard, Galactica is quick and untraceable. Advantage Galactica.
Leadership:
The Galactica suffers from repeated coup attempts as well as an unstable, dual military-civilian power structure complicated by a nosy press. However noble, in principle, this is inefficient and a source of conflicts that slows down critical operations. The Enterprise, on the other hand, has a stable command structure and everyone is so well-adjusted and well-fed that mutiny is rare. Advantage: Enterprise
Summary:
The Galactica is the Battlestar of the previous generation's technology. It is doing as well as can be expected under the circumstances but suffers from regular crises in leadership and basic supplies. Galactica's ability to shoot and then disappear makes it more flight than fight which won't win many battles but will keep you alive. The Enterprise shines with advanced weapons, support and leadership. It can take a blow and it can dish one out -- if doing so does not violate the Prime Directive.
I think it's clear who would win in a battle: the person who has better things to do with his time than write or read lengthy analyses of fictional spacecraft. - CBOOTY, on 01/15/2009, -5/+31also, can the tooth fairy beat up Santa? your thoughts?
- Maddoktor2, on 01/15/2009, -2/+28Three medium range (200,000 km) tracking photon torpedoes set to maximum yield targeted fore, aft, and amidships, and it's sayonara, Galactica.
Even if Galactica is able to launch a spread of long range nukes simultaneously, the Enterprise would still have plenty of time to fire, come about, and enter warp. Photon torpedoes are faster.
Game, set, match. No contest. - inactive, on 01/15/2009, -0/+24hand grenades really? not a photon torpedo?
- peep, on 01/15/2009, -2/+26Maybe it is "evil sash and gotee universe" Kirk.
- Wreckage, on 01/15/2009, -2/+25SDF-1
- Maxjan, on 01/15/2009, -0/+22I love how a battle that could never take place (shuttles vs vipers) broke the tie.
It almost makes me full of nerd rage. - Zaggynl, on 01/15/2009, -2/+23Beam over hot women.
Beam photon torpedoes into the critical systems of the Galactica.
Shoot any incoming ballistics with phasers.
gg. - inactive, on 01/15/2009, -0/+21or just screw with them and head back to earth.
- fortress, on 01/15/2009, -1/+20nerd alert!
- levitron, on 01/15/2009, -1/+20Enterprise would win (that's the nature of Star Trek), but it would never be that simple. Transporters are always too easy to use, so a plot device has to be used to block them, such as the BSG including transporter-beam granathion in their hull. If they did actually use them to win, it would take nearly the whole show of dodging nukes and point defense before figuring out how to recalibrate the transporters.
- metrodigg, on 01/15/2009, -0/+17Death Star versus Borg Cube: geometric death match of conformity!
- brownb2, on 01/15/2009, -1/+18You're thinking too much of Picard imho.
Kirk would do something like this.
Bridge of Enterprise:
Kirk: Ensign Redshirt, I'll need your antique computer expertise to disable their weapons. Bones, Spock and I will beam over to their bridge, Chekov you are in command.
Bones: Green blooded....
Kirk: Now is not the time Bones....
Uhura (interrupts): Captain! Adama wishes to speak to you!
Kirk: Tell him we are experiencing technical difficulties, make a warbling noise.
Uhura: Aye captain <mumbles fuzz and "you're breaking up">
<Cue camp jogging to bridge turbo lift>
Bridge of Galactica:
Adama: What the...?
Kirk: You've killed Ensign Redshirt! Now I must demonstrate my shirt tearing skills.
Adama: Get them off my bridge!
Kirk loses his phaser but proceeds to beat the crew single handedly with a bow made of his boot laces and remnants of his shirt.
Bones (to Spock): Kirk's doing his thing - wanna go get a burger?
Spock: Of course - that is the logical course of action.
Bones (mumbles): Green blo...
Cue smile and laughs at the camera despite the loss of Ensign Redshirt and all of the injured/dead people nearby.
QED, Kirk is the better captain, Adama is Peggy from Eastenders.
Ergo the Enterprise would win. - Charun, on 01/15/2009, -0/+17Not the local bulk-cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now.
- Hetman, on 01/15/2009, -1/+17Yea one photon torpedo beemed into a ship would pretty much destroy it. Regardless of size.
- unknownpoltroon, on 01/15/2009, -1/+17I don't recall anything about BSG having ***** antimatter in their torpedoes. I mean, comeon. Nukes are great, but antimatter will ***** you up.
- cquinnd, on 01/15/2009, -1/+16Except Kirk would not do that.
Kirk - Start beaming their bridge crew into our brig, the move on to their flight deck... - SkippyDoorknob, on 01/15/2009, -0/+15Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't the original Enterprise nuked at one point and it didn't leave a scratch? (with shields up obviously)
- Ahnteis, on 01/15/2009, -0/+15No, I'm pretty sure I've seen them on television.
- Needles13, on 01/15/2009, -0/+14Do you even watch Star Trek or do you just want to be included in the conversation?
- Brentg7, on 01/15/2009, -1/+15What about the "Prometheus"?
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus
Even better the "Odyssey"
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Odyssey - dvddesign, on 01/15/2009, -0/+14Yah, I don't think either fleet could withstand Minmei's god-awful singing for more than 2-3 minutes before they'd all self destruct.
- cquinnd, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13Pears.
- ironhide, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13A more interesting fight would be BSG vs. U.S.S. Defiant. A ship designed for one thing - battle.
- geoken, on 01/15/2009, -1/+14Sorry, I don't care how much heart you have, you aren't going to survive having your crew plucked from the bridge and beamed into space one by one.
- danj484, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13Also the fact that the energy put out by antimatter is (at least in theory, it hasn't actually been done) WAY more than that of a nuke the same size.
- 1807, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13B-A-N-A-N-A-S!
- irengineer, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13Heresy! This is clearly a new-geek vs old-geek battle, written by the new-geeks. In their mind of course Battlestar Galactica will win. They completely forgot the Kirk factor.
- defy, on 01/15/2009, -1/+14Superman vs. Peter Petrelli? Seriously?
- sockpuppets, on 01/15/2009, -1/+14Which one of these buttons calls your parents to come pick you up?
- Krumpenstein, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13Activate woman repulsion systems!
- inactive, on 01/15/2009, -0/+13This comment solidifies all that is geeky:
By kjunrj at 8:10 PM ON 01/14/09
It appears Kevin Hall's knowledge of Star Trek is limited.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a much bigger fan of BSG but in an Enterprise vs Galatica battle, Galatica would probably never even get a single hit on the Enterprise with it shields up much less down.
That's because the Enterprise would be attacking at warp speed and the Galactica would never even see it before it was obliterated.
Remember the Enterprise does not need to drop out of warp to fire on the Galactica. Only phasers or photons work at warp speed and I forget which but either would be all that's required to decimate the Galactica. And since all the weapons of Galactica move at sub light speed even if Galactica blindy fired in the direction of Enterprise they would just move out of the way.
Even if the Enterprise's warp engines were down, its impulse engines fire up at up to 99% of light speed and even then Galactica's slow moving weapons would never approach or hit Enterprise.
Even if Enterprise's warp drive were down and it's impulse engines were working at the same speed as Galactica's, it's shields would easily repel kinetic energy weapons (toys in the Star Trek world) and even nukes (I recall once or twice a near exploding nuke causing only minor damage). And while photons and transporters don't work through shields, phasers do. And the Enterprise's phasers can lay waste to the entire surface of a planet so the Galactica would be hamburger in a matter of minutes without ever having the chance to penetrate the Enterprise's shields.
I think the confusion hear comes from all the Star Trek episodes when ships of inferior technology (like Galactic) surprise attacked the Enterprise knocking out their shields and warp drive. Or when a ship with equal or superior weaponry hammered at the Enterprise.
That being said it's not really fair to compare a 23rd century technology from a vast federation of planets (just the earth colonies of star trek alone outnumber the 12 colonies much less the non earth planets of the federation) to a late 21st century technology of 12 human colonies. -
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