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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35Maybe they'll finally dump o'reilly. Im pretty damn conservative, but that pompous ***** is just the most annoying blowhard on television.
- Eywanadi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Can it really be called a slump when Fox News has more people watching at one time than MSNBC and CNN combined?
"Fox News currently leads the cable news market, earning higher points ratings than its chief competitors CNN and MSNBC combined by average viewership. Measured by unique viewers, however, CNN achieves 11% higher ratings than Fox News" - Wikipedia
At least it is good to see CNN still holds some weight. - CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Tabloid, sensationalist TV psudo news sucks. Fox, CNN, CNBS, MSNBC, etc. It's not news. It's entertainment.
From the local news, to the networks (ABC, CBS, etc.) to the cable networks, their tag-line should be: all crap, all the time.
Besides that, most of what the cable networks show are editorial opinion types of shows anyway as oposed to "news". I don't need to get an opinion from them. I have my own. Only losers on both sides of the political spectrum need to be told what to think. - MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -20/+40America is waking up, they don't want to watch propaganda, they don't want to hear lies. Now if only we'd do something about all this.
- grizwald, on 10/12/2007, -15/+34You have to give Fox News some credit ... they came out of nowhere against an extremely well established network (CNN) and completely burried them within 2 years ... and have done so for a decade (and they still are).
Blame it on whatever you want .. people are idots, some zionist conspiracy .. whatever it may be .. they deserve some credit. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22If you think Fox is "too liberal" your vision of reality is so twisted I can't even imagine what your politics are. Holocaust denial maybe? Think Isreal should be destroyed? Hitler was misunderstood?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Saying Fox News is in a slump is like saying Tiger Woods was in a slump for a while. I'd still kill to have Tiger Woods' slump scores for my golf game...and CNN still wishes that they had as good ratings as Fox's slump ratings.
I'm no Fox apologist...but the spin has to stop SOME-*****-WHERE. *sheesh* - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21Pots and kettles? What about jaw-dropping hostility towards their guests and character defamation of those smart enough to not jump in the viper pit with them?
You're right that CNN was and is biased. Every news outlet has one bias or another. But CNN never crucified anyone. If they were, they were just echoing a chorus. FNC, meanwhile, is a *mouthpiece*. And there is a world of difference between being a mouthpiece and just being biased.
I would never be ashamed of working for CNN, but I would rather eat my own ***** than take up a job at Fox News. - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23I don't give them any credit. Sure, most news channels are pretty sensational, but FOX is over the top. They are flagrantly biased, intentionally inflammatory, and blatantly sensational every second of every day. Sure, you can beat rival news channels if you focus more on being sensational, divisive, and controversial than if you're focused on having integrity, being impartial, and reporting the news. Its comparing apples to oranges. Look at the Colbert Report. The whole look and feel of the show is a direct parody of FOX news. It's a joke.
- Snoopy7176, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Not stay? They are still very much on top.
- bashar129, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"I(Roger Ailes) kept nodding off and I realized they(CNN) are biased"
Pots and kettles come to mind. - floorman56, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10lets look at the real numbers
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp
Yea they are down but so is everybody!!! but there over all numbers are still ass kicking high - Quaoar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10
Fox News has just undergone a significant change in their daytime schedule, adding new segments with new faces and removing long-standing segments. I think this could be a large part of the decline. In any event, Oberman on MSN has a long row to hoe to overcome O'Riely - perhaps years unless he has a complete personality replacement. CNN recently revised their entire theory of presentation, and it is now much more 'neutral' politically which is a big plus on them, IMO.
Q - nybe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@23r17i05o42n (wtf kinda name is that?)
read it "with a steeper 13 percent decline in prime-time" - schuder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Funny how even when Fox slumps, they still kick the ***** out of the other cable news. There's definately a conservative bias, but libs need to get over it. The whole Dan Rather fiasco showed how there's a bias on network news. Maybe Dems would get elected if they focused on the issues instead of trashing a largely sucessful business operation. Amazing it is sucessful with O'Reilly and Hannity, after Terri Schiavo I can't even look at Hannity. Fox is sucessful for two reasons:
1. Hot babes as eye candy (not counting Greta, jeez that's hideous)
2. Interesting debates even if they have the libs as whiny poindexters most of the time (Alan Colmes), how many other networks debate on the air? - CraigJ, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Are you seriously going to compare a paper published BY a government with no free press to a network in the US? Wow...
- btipling, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9As long as 80% of American's don't believe in evolution Fox has nothing to worry about. It feeds on ignorance, and over here there is plenty of it.
- RhythmGuru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wow, between 7-9 o'clock, MSNBC even beats CNN...
Cool report man, thanks for the link. - palindrome12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7FOX News still kicks the crap out of CNN and MSNBC in ratings. Everytime I watch the other two, all I hear is Hate-Bush this, Hate-Bush that... And that's the price they pay for going overboard with a liberal agenda. O'Reilly will stay at the top because he presents fact to back everything up, and he tells it like it is. That is why I watch FOX News.
- havanese_boy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Fairly surprised that a liberal posted a liberal story on a liberal site and the conservatives actually was able to get a voice in the comments to completely show that this story is inaccurate. Look at the front page of the USA Today for Monday Oct 2. it shows in a nice graph how foxnews has a viewing audience of twice what CNN has...and if you added MSNBC and CNN it stills comes up second in the ratings to Fox....it goes to show never believe a story posted on digg unless you have done the research to either prove or disprove it.
I also agree with ardenr...as a blogger, I have a lot of friends in the blogging world, but once I post a conservative story, I'm trashed as narrow minded and "removed from their favorite RSS reader". - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"As long as 80% of American's don't believe in evolution Fox has nothing to worry about. It feeds on ignorance, and over here there is plenty of it."
Amen. Oh wait... - Snoopy7176, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11BBC non-bias!! LOL!! You should watch it.
- musicmantrs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Actually, if you were right, I'd say they were following the model set forth by ABC News and Dan Rather about 60 days out of a presidential election.
- RhythmGuru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6In my area, Dish Network has Fox News as a premium channel. CNN is included on our basic service. In order to watch Fox News, I am required to pay an extra 10 bucks a month. I only watch CNN because I don't want to pay the premium for Fox News (and only a few other channels I would even watch). Even with this advantage (CNN being on EVERYONE's basic service), Fox News STILL beats them in ratings. Interesting. I wonder how many more people would watch Fox if it was included with their service? I would turn off CNN myself, and make the switch.
- electronicmaji, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Wow 5% slump compared to CNN's 50% slump In the years following Fox News release....
Theres a reason Bush won reelection, the majority of americans are republicans. You can call and scream and say Fox News is biased till the cows come home. The fact is its what people want to see something that supports their political views and doesnt attack the people they support every ten seconds. Because if you turn on other news channels thats whats happening... - limeaid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Have you ever seen a bigger gathering of morons?
Keep screaming foul about Fox news - do you not see the ratings every week? America has had it? Tired of Fox news? yeah right....
I'm a conservative - not a republican - not a democrat - A CONSERVATIVE
The Republicans just happen to be one of the few buses in the direction I want to go right now.
Give me the news - straight news - I don't care who it comes from and I'll draw my own conclusions - I've been around 40 years and I'm pretty smart
Oh btw - the guy who mentioned the BBC being a straight shooter - you're a certified idiot - I think even the BBC would be shocked if they heard themselves being refered to as "fair".
Either you're not watching honestly or you just believe anything anyone takes the time to type on a website (including digg) - do yourself a favor - read from more than one source - and decide for yourself - don't let anyone fox, msnbc, etc decide for you - playloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I alternate between CNN and Fox News for opposing views. When I want to watch a real "Fair and Balanced" show, I watch Real Time with Bill Maher (on HBO). Bill does his homework, and he gives credit where it is due (Democrat or Republican). I also respect the conservatives who go on that show, as the crowd is very liberal.
- Pignanelli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Exactly. Hence, my previous post "Fox - doing for TV news what 'The National Enquirer' did for magazines" - They are LOWERING the bar, not raising it.
Typical evidence from yesterday: http://digg.com/politics/INCREDIBLE_FOX_NEWS_Labels_Foley_as_Dem_during_O_Reilly_Factor_IMAGE
Willful misinformation - I must agree with the commentator who called them the "White House Ministry of Propaganda" with certainly little regard for the truth. - RhythmGuru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oops, meant to UPdig you Maji...not Down ya'...sorry...
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't want my news station to spin its reports to agree with my political views. Neither do I want their reports to deliberately DISagree with my views. I want news stations to report the news...period. Do it in the most factual, objective, unbiased manner that you can. Oh, I'm sure that because we're all human and we don't have robots reporting the news, there will be some bias interjected into it at times. But it should be repressed as much as possible -- not front and center. I want a true "we report, you decide" type of situation. I'm not holding my breath to get that, however.
- Yage2006, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yay FOX SUCKS!
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Yep, but Fox is the worst offender."
...if you disagree with them, that is. Meanwhile, Digg is loaded with tons of ThinkProgress, Alternet and Lew Rockwell "news stories" that routinely get dug up. I'm not defending Fox's slant -- see my other post here which pines for totally unbiased news (a pipe dream, I know) -- but people's opinions of who is the "worst offender" are unfortunately all too often largely dictated by whether the flagrantly biased reporting and the inflammatory comments fall in line with their way of thinking. - Snoopy7176, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is because Murdock owens DirecTV. There was a similar issue wuth Sirius but they coughed up the money. Funny how on Sirius the same people that like Howard also want FoxNews Radio.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"They are flagrantly biased, intentionally inflammatory, and blatantly sensational every second of every day."
You just described just about every news channel and show that I've ever seen. Cable or major network, liberal or conservative, local or national. - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Agreed. The liberal way to hold a reasonable debate about an issue:
Step 1) Immediately get emotional
Step 2) Avoid talking about logic and facts
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit! - Jaymo89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh dear, Americans are more retarded than I thought :.
It's the conservatives that hate the facts; conservatives peddle intelligent design (the fact that this is a debate is a sign of the inanity of American politics), Conservatives believe that Gays are sinners, extramarital sex is wrong (how is it any different to marital sex?) and that drugs are the devil (while they sip on their alcoholic beverages that are much worse than "street" drugs). - Jaymo89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My dear friend, you are seriously misguided. How exactly is CNN bush bashing when it is mostly news reporting? Fox News (at least here in Australia) is all tabloid rubbish. It's all TV personalities that spew the same diatribe. CNN Australasia rarely deviates from the newsdesk and seems to be very centre field when you compare it to the more polar networks (BBC, Fox News).
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2When I was getting Fox News, before switching to Dish Network, I used to watch them quite a bit. It was like driving past a scene of a horrible auto accident. You know it's going to be traumatizing, but you just can't keep yourself from looking. Fox "News" is flashy, loud, sensationalist, trashy, sickeningly-biased, opinion-based tabloid journalism, but it's very entertaining, like a freak show is entertaining. Getting your news from them is kind of like getting your news from Pravda or Goebbels' news reels, only a lot more fun. I kept watching O'Reilly just to see what preposterous, pompous, stupid thing that jackass does or says next and he never disappointed. Ah, I miss you Fox News.
They do get almost twice the viewers CNN gets, not because most of the country is conservative or whatever, but because half of their audience loves them, while the other half loves to hate them, just like me. Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern have similar audiences.
It's really too bad that CNN is starting to play on the same level though, filling their prime-time line-up with Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace and celebrity gossip and that's on the Headline News Network! I used to tune to that channel pretty often to get a brief summary of the day's news events, but now, each time I tune it, it's either some O'Reilly wannabe (Glenn Beck) talking about how Iran is going to get us all, or that shrew Nancy Grace presuming someone guilty.
I'm just worried how some kids that grew up with FOX New might actually think of it as a real news source. That could be dangerous. - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If you're going to quote me, do it accurately.
Also, I don't think they are the worst offender just because I don't agree with them, next time a big story breaks, check back and forth between CNN and FOX NEWS and compare the way they report it. You'll see the difference. - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Perhaps, but FOX is the worst offender.
- CircleFusion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Obviously, a slump is relative. So there is no spin here. Even if they are 150% ahead of their competition, they can still be in a slump.
- dmh11686, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8I like FoxNews. But I have to say that their website is a disgrace. Roger Ailes and his web staff that put that piece of crap together should be ashamed. The only thing the website has going for it is the flash video, because its fast and works on all platforms. But other then that some heads need to roll for FoxNews.com. When you compare it to msnbc.com or cnn.com its like a time warp back to 2000, its Web .5.
- mypenis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2C'mon guys. We all know we get our news from Jon Steward.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I find it hilarious that all the liberal digg users here waste no time jumping on this, calling Fox News biased and conservative. The only reason you say that is because you're so far left that anything moderate would look "right" to you.
I get sick every time I watch CNN because it's so left-leaning. Sorry, but I want some news sometimes, not "Bush sucks because of this..." and "Bush causes hurricanes" and all the other crap I see there all the time.
There's no such thing as a purely "unbalanced" news source. Everyone who reports anything will do so from their perspective. Even just deciding what gets shown and what doesn't allows for extreme bias.
Now you all need to grow up and stop with the sheep-like "fox news sucks because al gore told us so" line. - Pignanelli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Fox - doing for TV news what 'The National Enquirer' did for magazines.
- spunkz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I wish Fox News would report "both sides of the story" so that when they finally get that exclusive interview with the leader of Al Qeada they could use their supposed "ties to the evil Bush Administration" and kill the M'fer Osama.
As for the angst against Fox News... I suggest everyone take out a pad of paper. Everytime there is a host change, which is usually at the top of the hour jot down a few notes. What are they telling you about the news? Are they trying to persuade you to a conclusion? Or are they leaving the conclusion up in the air? Is the person a journalist, or are they a news commentator.
Then, take the same for CNN.
The results should be that CNN is more news oriented day and night. Whereas Fox News is news oriented during the day, and opinionated during the primetime hours. Is there anyone who disputes this result?
What is the cause for Fox New's success then? By the time people get home we've already read all the news on the internet, on websites like Drudge, CNN.com, Google News, and Digg. We know the news and most of the details. We don't need someone to regurgitate something we already know - we are looking for opinions and analysis.
CNN's programming starts with two hours of The Situation Room, the politics of dancing is what I like to call it. Then we go to an hour block of Lou Dobbs. Dobb's program used to be specifically about finance - but recently it was reformatted to be a network news clone. Then... we go back for another hour of The Situation Room, just in case you missed the previous two hours Wolf Blitzer and Jack Cafferty are back to recap. Then Paula Zaun - yea another network news clone. Katie Couric eat your heart out, Paula has a countdown of all the stories people have already read on CNN.com - how's that for being blatantly redundant. Then there is Larry King. This hour is set aside for viewers to tend to family, feed them, change the young ones diapers, read them a quick bedtime story, fool around with the Mrs. No one really watches Larry King - they just accidently leave the television set on. The only hour of programming that is worthwhile is Anderson Cooper's 360 - and that's only because it's assumed that you already know the news. His show offers meat and potatoes, usually on a topic that you don't care about - but it's interesting nonetheless.
CNN - 5 Hours of News, 1 Hour of Celebrity Drool, and 1 Hour of Docu-reporting. - Snoopy7176, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Liberals hate facts, that is why so few read. Ask your liberal friends for their recent book list. 99% of the time it is nothing but Stephen King or Clancy if anything at all. Not that those are bad but you will never learn anything about the world from TV, newspapers or blog sites. Those are simply fillers. You need to read a balanced diet of real books to get it. I find that conservatives tend to read and liberals don't. They don't even read their own stuff from the Clintons and Carvilles much less conservative based stuff. Not the ones I talk to anyway.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Yep, kiddies, digg me down without telling me why. After all, that's the Digg way. It's a joke.
Serious political discussion? Ha! If anything, the Digg system creates -- pretty much by default -- the same sort of enormously slanted "infotainment" environment that we're supposedly deriding here in this thread. I just hang around sometimes for bemusement, but I've learned that that's about all I should seriously hang around for, because in the end, that's about all it's good for. The Digg system itself essentially dictates that it's so. - Pignanelli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Has Faux come out with a story supporting the Republican Child Rapists yet? Of course they're popular - nowhere near as boring as watching actual factual news stories ha
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