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- skin, on 10/10/2007, -5/+83You should learn to read the article a little more closely.
1. In mid 2008 they hope to have their pay service up and running which will run along side the free service. You'll have a choice of having a free download with commercials that lasts for 7 days or pay for a file you can keep with no commercials.
2. Yea, it does. You're getting it for free, how else are they supposed to make money?
3. The videos come out "on the night that they are broadcast and keep them for seven days." You sir have very low reading comprehension.
4 Once again you are getting it for free. What kind of business model do you expect them to have?
Congratulations on being such an idiot that you forced me to defend NBC. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -43/+98This is misleading the public to get them to their site. Classic bait and switch.
1. Only free till "mid 2008".
2. It has commercials.
3. The videos dont come out till a week after airing.
4. Downloads expire 7 days after you download them
How expensive are they going to be after mid 2008? Probably the same price that they wanted iTunes to sell them for.
I'm going to keep subscribing to the RSS for the HD torrents, tyvm. - Otto, on 10/10/2007, -6/+53Who gives a crap? If I want their shows for free, I can already get them, in HD quality, without commercials, fully automatically (thanks to RSS feeds), in about half the time that it takes to download them using whatever service they come up with.
It's called BitTorrent. They cannot win. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+40It is Free! So who gives a ***** about copy protection and DRM?
I'm just glad that I can download 30 Rock while at work for free.
NBC has been taking alot of ***** on Digg lately, so to me this is a big step in redeeming itself. - CookieDuster666, on 10/10/2007, -17/+44A disaster in the making. This will be as big a hit for NBC as "Super Train" was. With all the copy protection and self destructing files baggage it will roar in to a tunnel and never be seen again.
- reed311, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23Yep, and you can get your groceries for free if you walk out of Walmart without paying.
- EvilDr.X, on 10/10/2007, -5/+25It's broadcast television, you dick.
- phunlee, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26Oh, My God. Stop! Well, you're not gonna stop,. But when Linux is popular enough, when it has a market, then, and only then will you see support for Linux. If you use Linux, why don't you get off your lazy programmer ass and write something that will hack it or let you use it. Isn't the idea behind Linux that anyone can write anything for it? I don't know, I'm just sick of hearing "Where's Linux support, whaa whaa.." I don't rant often, but I needed to just now. Thanks!
- 4fingers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Dam I dugg that guy up without reading your reply.
I jump to conclusions to easily. - DangerCollie, on 10/10/2007, -7/+20Title should read "NBC offers downloads to Windows users" Because you Mac and Linux lu-sers are out of luck. Nice message to send to your customers.
Most of your fuddy-duddy shows SUCK by the way. - Brew, on 10/10/2007, -4/+15Dear NBC,
I do not care. I like my tv shows on iTunes because it is convenient. Allow it to be downloaded from wherever xbox live, your personal site, amazon, AND iTunes that might actually, you know, be convenient. otherwise people will go to bittorrent. I know I am and will show all my non-tech friends how to as well;) And you know once they figure out how to do it it will be like the music industry all over again..... so just a suggestion you know I could care less. - trvr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11putting TV Shows up for download on a Tivo seems slightly redundant to me. What would be the point? for people who don't have NBC?
- Gir9000, on 10/10/2007, -7/+17I am just pissed off with NBC, their cut down choices and run up the meter strategies over the years are getting really old. For me downloading content off of iTunes was convenient and affordable. I have no problem with NBC adding different sources and ways to view their content (like unbox or advertisements attached such as this) but they should not take away options. It just does not make sense... If you are a content provider, you want to have as many ways to get that content out as you can. Investors should send NBC CEO Jeff Zucker a letter stating to bring back the content to iTunes or go looking for a new job. NBC is a sinking ship.
- Jwoey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10for people who miss it when it airs live?
for people who want to see it again?
for people who don't get local channels?
for people who dont get tv at all? - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11So this is NBC's new online strategy? The "Drive Everyone to Use Bittorrent" approach? :p
- SirBotchness, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Yea and you have to watch commercials while watching that, and you only get to see it when it airs.
- mandarin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14Wait you can download tv shows but they come with commercials... and then they disappear after a few days...
Whats the point then? - magic6435, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Yes its broadcast. which means they are getting paid for the commercials, you dick.
- CSAngel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10I believe it said the videos will be available 'for' a week after it airs, not 'after' a week. And it's free. Even if it is for a short time.
- EvilDr.X, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10VCR, DVR, watch it when you want to, skip the commercials.
- PA42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8But its not is if the seller who has electronic files stolen from them isn't out anything. The value of their property is diminished because many people who would buy, now download illegally. This is a depreciation in the value of their IP, much akin to a complete loss when something is stolen.
- magic6435, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7The point is you can download free content when ever you want in order to watch shows at your own lesiure. Thats the point.
- lordbeef, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6"But, Mr. Gaspin said, “piracy was and is our No. 1 priority.” He said that the music industry had been devastated by the free exchange of music, much of it facilitated by iTunes."
iTunes facilitates piracy now? - overlord44, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6They can afford to give you it for free because advertisers are willing to pay to have ads in your shows that you can't skip. I'm willing to bet the ads are significantly shorter than on TV, and the video comparable quality to the torrents. This actually undermines piracy, because you get it for free, have to watch some ad, and keep it for a week, which is about how long you actually care about most episodes anyway.
- PA42, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Legal
vs.
Illegal - bigdoof, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7In other news, photocopying a book is cheaper than actually buying it!
Let's face it, one method s illegal and the other is a legitimate attempt by a media distributor to offer free content. Leave it to digg users to think that a match up between illegal vs. legal choices is a valid comparison. - Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Or how about Tivo? Set top boxes would be he way to go if you were to ask me.
- lazyrussian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The whole physics department at my university (professor's computers, lab computers, computers for tutoring) all run one of three versions of linux (SuSe, Ubuntu, CentOS) - But since it's physics, it's probably considered geek territory...sigh, you win.
- Quick2822, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Or, I'll just continue using mininova and uTorrent and get them in a hour after they air, no commercials, and in high quality.
But whatever works for you. - Stryder81, on 10/10/2007, -7/+12Time and time again when I come onto Digg and see users complaining about download limitations by corporations and why certain things are free, I can't understand why people are against business making $ for themselves?
Corps become Corps because of their strategies and practices. Just like the MPAA and RIAA they are protecting the companies investments. Granted some of their ways of going about enforcing their right goes a little too much but the thing I argue about is people wanting everything to be free/open source, etc. If you don't like something, don't go for it. If you don't want to pay for it, don't complain about why you have to. You create a business on your idea, cater to the demand that your business supplies the consumer and on and on. Tomorrow if someone comes along and finds a way for your product to be at a cheap price to being free, wouldn't you want someone to help your business or for you to find a way where you can compete?
I dont see what the problem is here...maybe I'll get dugg down for this but i think it's a ligament argument. - 2Bnor2B, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"He said that the music industry had been devastated by the free exchange of music, much of it facilitated by iTunes."
Did he just equate iTunes with illegal P2P sharing? Oh...Mr. Jobs...can you bring your lawyers over here for a minute? - epsilona01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4QFT: "They cannot win." They need to stop trying to beat their consumers.
Though this is a good effort, from what it seems. Free is always good, even if it does involve commercials. No commercials is better, as well as no DRM, or any limitations.
Not that these companies should not get any money. If they don't get money, they won't produce any shows. Honestly what they should do at this point is release no-DRM files.. with commercials.. to bittorrent. Sure some people will re-edit, but some people also fast forward through commercials. They could save bandwidth, and provide the content people want without the ***** they don't want. Or maybe that wouldn't work who knows.
Til then I'll continue to DL my shows. (or i may get some off itunes now that i finally have an ipod - can't just get everthing for free.) - warpdesign, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11Gee thanks. Tha'ts *much* better than downloading them off iTunes for $1.99. ***** you NBC!
- gibson424, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I think the point, though, is about the way the content is being distributed. I don't think most people have a problem with giving companies money for a product they enjoy. The issue is that the product is being distributed in a way that it isn't very consumer-friendly. I gladly paid for NBC shows on iTunes because iTunes is my preferred method of buying content. Now they've stopped using iTunes as a medium, so what am I supposed to do? Hook up my 6 year old Dell just so that I can use Windows to download NBC shows? Now I'm more likely to go to BitTorrents and find the shows for free.
I'd also rather pay for this content with money than with my time..meaning I will easily give NBC $2 rather than have to sit through 8 minutes of commercials.
In short, it's not the business that's the problem, it's the business model. - mozone, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12They will go crawling back to iTunes when it's all said and done.
- bolerobell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Your argument is completely nonsensical, in comparison to why people are getting angry over this NBC situation. People are angry because they _want_ to pay for commercial-free, lightly-DRMed, legitimate copies of NBC's programming, and NBC is now denying them that opportunity and is trying to push some new product to the market (specifically free, commercial-laden, heavily-DRMed versions of their shows that expire after 7 days) that the market didn't ask for.
Everything a corporation does is not golden. In fact, the corporate-form lends itself to being extremely anti-free market, as it consolidates market power quite effectively and the typical use of that consolidated market power is to place restrictions on the market to protect corporate market-share rather than competing within the framework of the already existing market. Thus is the case here. The goal of content producers is to get money _every time_ you access their product. iTunes doesn't have that level of control, so NBC got pissy, took their ball, and went home. They are, however, shooting off their own foot. What content producers don't realize is that entertainment is a luxury, and in tougher economic times, luxury items are the first thing to go, especially more expensive ones. I've never understood how TV, music, and movie producers have never been able to wrap their minds around the idea of increasing revenue of luxury items by decreasing price. - NtroP, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7I use OS X and Linux. I get my shows off iTunes. I watch them on my AppleTV and iPod(s). I used to buy several season passes of NBCs shows from iTMS. Their "free" downloads do me no good as it's Windows-only, DRM-out-the-ass, crap. NBC used to get my money. Now I will be using P2P and my friend's TiVo-rips. NBC's short-sighted greed may not hurt them, but for me, I'll be getting better quality, free shows now. Bittorrent FTW!
- starbird, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I think they still miss it.
But, Mr. Gaspin said, “piracy was and is our No. 1 priority.” He said that the music industry had been devastated by the free exchange of music, much of it facilitated by iTunes.
HOW DOES iTunes FACILITATE PIRACY? - Angostura, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5And it has excellent non-skipable ads throughout!!!! yay!!!
- Swift2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4NBC is a big, arrogant network that still thinks it's 1954, when a broadcast license was a license to print money.
Free? Fine. With commercials? Well, it's not exactly free, then, but fine. It's free. But the DRM means it's using Microsoft DRM. Only Microsoft exceeds the contempt for its users that NBC has. MS-NBC. They say they will bring this out for the Mac, but I'm not holding my breath. The video on MSNBC was Windows-only for about five years. If they want this to have melt-in-your-mouth DRM, they can't buy it from Apple, which doesn't make it. So they'd have to do it themselves. Will they do that? No-o. They don't want to take on the expense of keeping it up to date with the OS changes, and with hackers. That's for Apple to do, and I'll bet Jobso just tells them to sit on it.
Free with commercials? Why not? Why would that get in the way of selling on iTunes, or any other site? How about having the show available for $1.00 right away, and in HD for $2.00, or free if you don't mind the ads? - x2wenty4x, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3And you can keep it for one whole week... they are so generous.
- JesusDeluxe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I had to look up the super bomb, SuperTrain, as i am 24 and have never heard of this. SUPERTRAIN has quickly become my go-to response to everything my friends ask me. My irrelevant, and dated references confuse and anger them. I feel like Dennis Miller
- neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The point is that you have a free, legal, and simple way to watch a show you missed. There were times when I missed an episode of Lost and rather than wait a half hour to torrent it, I just watched it on their site in good quality with like 3 commercials. Works for me..
- KillerX, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7If it doesn't work with Mac OS X, then I don't care. NBC is run by retards.
- mjl5629, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Regardless, 30 Rock is hilarious.
- Hoogs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I have honestly never seen anyone running Linux on their computer. The only time I ever hear it talked about is when I enter geek territory.
- thehead21, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No OS X support, Strike 1. Files become unreadable after a week, Strike 2. Commercials, Strike 3.
- Otto, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Newer Tivo's support Amazon's Unbox stuff, and NBC is also experimenting with putting their stuff online via that method.
- andydumi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Or who want to record other shows and download NBC ones.
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Actually, they do. They give a crap about their stuff not working - they just don't know why, so they don't say anything.
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