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- vault, on 12/27/2007, -7/+63Wow...talk about irony.
- modnar, on 12/27/2007, -2/+36That's because members can actually do something about it. Customers are forced to take whatever they're given. Yes, you can "vote with your wallet," but in the big picture, that really doesn't do much for someone who really wants the content.
- breadfred, on 12/27/2007, -2/+30Right. So if I buy a DVD, it is not my right to view it on my ipod. I can only view it at home on my dvd player. I was once a customer. Now I am a pirate. ARRRRRRRRRRRRR
- joeyjojo, on 12/27/2007, -3/+25uhhh...what?
DRM annoys the hell out of consumers. I only buy DRM products when it's the only offering. I wanted to the soundtrack to Babel several months ago. iTunes was the only online shop that had it at the time. I paid for it, then downloaded the DRMed songs.
I then tried to synch it with my iPod. Only every other song would play.
After 4 hours of back and forth with apple support and trying everything they told me to try, I gave up.
No my DRM for me. I'll find a copy elsewhere if Amazon doesn't have it. - actorboy, on 12/27/2007, -6/+23You're reaching again, Ernesto.
Several holes in your argument:
1. The public doesn't use the system to which you refer.
2. They complaining about the size of the hardware, not the copy protection.
3. They prefer the public system, which still contains copy protection.
By your reasoning, not wanting to drive a tractor trailer means I don't like to drive. The logical fallacies abound. - treed, on 12/27/2007, -2/+14Really? I could have sworn he bought a DVD.
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -2/+14PA42, fair use involves making archival copies. My copy just happens to be on my iPod.
- GCarden, on 12/27/2007, -1/+13My grandfather, a SAG member, has been receiving DVD screeners in the mail recently. He's in his 80s and barely knows how to watch the DVDs they send him, much less be able to hook up a new DVD player specifically for screeners.
- actorboy, on 12/27/2007, -2/+13Voting with torrent downloads works against you. It only justifies the actions of the MPAA and RIAA.
- Norochj, on 12/27/2007, -2/+11There is no license with DVDs and CDs. You do not agree to a EULA and there is no documentation claiming that you are licensing your copy of a CD or DVD.
- offspring06, on 12/27/2007, -0/+9I get all my media DRM free and its cheaper.
- TangentThought, on 12/27/2007, -3/+12Hypocrisy?
- DeusNova, on 12/27/2007, -1/+10Leak the movies he receives.
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -6/+14***** THE MPAA!
Had to do it. It's the law. - mattrmcg, on 12/27/2007, -2/+10Sometimes, I do not know what is more appalling, the DRM or the movie....
- actorboy, on 12/27/2007, -0/+7Which is the very system the people who are complaining want to return to.
- centran, on 12/27/2007, -0/+7and I think you just discovered how the leak occurs.
Also some members just don't give a damn. They give there copies away to friends who in turn may lend it to another friend and then that person leaks it.
I bet a lot of leaks would be stopped by stop sending out movies. Instead send out a request card with the list and only give out the ones they want. - Tippis, on 12/28/2007, -0/+6No, it's quite the opposite: if you don't have the right to view the media (i.e. you've got a pirated copy), then there is no DRM to annoy you. The only way to get DRM, and to be annoyed by it, is if you're a legitimate customer...
- lufthanza, on 12/27/2007, -1/+7@PA42: Just allowing two copies to be in use at once is not infringement. The two copies HAVE to be in use at once to be infringement. Also, The original dvd can be considered the archival copy, just like with any media. Finally, since there is no EULA, he can play his copy on whatever pleases him, since he has purchased the right to view the media according to copyright law.
- darkened, on 12/27/2007, -1/+6Fantastic that means more DVDSCRs for the rest of us!
- pardonmedoug, on 12/27/2007, -1/+6I'm not "forced to take" anything. And not only can I vote with my wallet, I can vote with my torrent downloads. It's up to the studios, really. Always more than happy to pay for a quality product.
- PA42, on 12/27/2007, -1/+5What's the double standard?
The "members" are going to get the same DRM as everyone else.
This was about the size and cost of the players, not the DRM. - DarkDragon, on 12/27/2007, -1/+5ATTN DUMBASS:
DRM doesn't only affect pirates, it affects paying customers who don't use the exact same system as the DRM designer did. - PA42, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3you need to reed the article, that's not what happened here
- Tippis, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3"DRM doesn't only affect pirates,"
Close, but not quite... remove the "only" and you'll be right: DRM doesn't affect pirates. Rippers have access to tools that shred DRM in roughly zero seconds flat; downloaders get media where the DRM has already been removed. - aznhomig, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3By that logic, we wouldn't need laws if people didn't commit crime. DRM is a hindrance and an extra step that merely inconveniences the end-consumer and the legitimate purchasers: not the pirates. I don't see this technology and byzantine methods of "securing content" for DVDSCRs stopping pirates from posting them on the Internet anyway.
"If [people] were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern [people], neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." - Federalist 51, Alexander Hamilton. - offspring06, on 12/27/2007, -1/+4lol
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -4/+6Godlike, you're a goddamned liar.
- PA42, on 12/27/2007, -1/+3explain the double standard ... I think as you do, you may realize that it isn't a double standard.
This removed the enhanced DRM players which was pushed on the members and isn't pushed on the rest of us.
RTFA - GliTCH82, on 12/28/2007, -2/+4It's the same ***** movie, nevermind "fair use" for a second, common sense dictates if you bought a DVD to watch on a DVD player at home or on a portable DVD player on a plane, it shouldn't matter whether you decided to forgo the portable DVD player and bought an iPod to take on the plane instead. Your license should allow you to put that DVD on your iPod and watch it on the plane, and any person or organization that argues otherwise is either ignorant of consumer needs or is looking to make a fortune by selling the same exact product multiple times when they only paid once to make it. That's called extortion, not "making a profit". It's ***** way beyond making a profit, it's robbery.
- kabewm, on 12/28/2007, -0/+2I can't listen to my iTunes purchased music on my Tivo. The stuff I rip from CD's works perfectly.
I like foreign films, in order to watch them I had to do all sorts of wacky codes and ***** to my DVD player.
I can't put my movies on my iPod without using a bunch of software that contains dvd cracking sofware on my computer.
People who bought videos DRM videos from Google and the MLB lost access to that content. Google, unlike the MLB, did refund peoples money though...
These things are just a few of many issues that I experience as a paying customer but pirates do not. I make good money and used to spend ~300-500/mo on entertainment (cable/internet/movies/music/etc). I am their favorite kind of consumer, one with lots of money and an affinity for gadgets (ipods, tivo s3, HD all around, etc). I have cut that down to about ~100 for just Internet and cable. I refuse to give these companies any more money until they stop treating me like a thief. If this keeps up, I may just cut the cable tv as I am enjoying that less and less.
Long story short, these media companies are alienating their customers and they don't even see it. - Magnes, on 12/27/2007, -0/+2Right. DRM in screener could have impact on the review of it.
- teh_techie, on 12/27/2007, -0/+2Easy where YOU live maybe... but some of us don't have that luxury.
- GliTCH82, on 12/29/2007, -0/+1You're still not totally getting my point, if you bought the movie once, you should be able to watch it in a format that is equal to or less than the quality you purchased a license for without having to buy it again. It makes sense for the studios to charge you for a new HD or Blu-Ray copy of a movie because you're upgrading, in a sense, to a better experience, but it is completely ***** for anyone to have to pay AGAIN for another copy to watch the movie on a 1.8 inch screen when they already have the license to watch it on a 50" widescreen TV.
- Travelsonic, on 12/28/2007, -0/+1Hmmm.... you want that other site, you'll only find humans here.
- and303, on 12/27/2007, -0/+1God, this is worse than Fox in 2001.
They're scaling back DRM and watermarking step-by-step. Of course Torrentfreak.com will turn that into a bad story. And keep in mind that "members" are everyone from Ebert to Oscar voters to Blockbuster jockeys. - nerdacous, on 12/28/2007, -0/+1surely with this special DVD player anyone could just hook up a TV capture card.
- highPhone, on 12/28/2007, -0/+1yah bro, hook us up!
- swills, on 12/27/2007, -1/+2Why does everyone forget about the real pirates, the ones selling bootleg copies of movies, not the ones sitting at home trying to enjoy a movie?
- joeyjojo, on 12/30/2007, -0/+1Why would I lie about that?
Anyways, to answer your question...iTunes wsa the best option at the time. It was the MOST CONVENIENT despite the DRM.
Now that Amazon is doing it DRM-free, things should get interesting... - dsmx, on 12/27/2007, -1/+2All DRM is for is to get you to pay for the same thing multiple times, it doesn't combat piracy all it does is increase piracy. It's amazing how the increase in piracy coincides directly with the influx of DRM, admittedly internet bandwidth also increased in the same period but I find it hard to believe that everyone started pirating things simply because they can download things faster.
- Forky, on 01/07/2008, -0/+1Finaly someone that talks sense.
- mabhatter, on 12/28/2007, -2/+3but the public system is broken... hence the private player for only those who are part of the film academy that plays encrypted disks keyed to that player.. i.e very hard to bittorrent because DVD jon won't be getting one any time soon. I find it funny that they can't be bothered to do their "work" during the busy season of rating movies because it gets in the way of vacation!!! These people's million dollar salaries are in jeopardy and they complain about a player to protect the marketability of their work as being "inconvenient" it shows how truly rich and disconnected these people really are.
- charliekwalker, on 12/28/2007, -1/+1By following your argument all DRM should be given up on. You're making the consumers' point. DRM is not stopping movies from being pirated.
- dbirling, on 12/27/2007, -1/+1I have to admit, I don't know of another way for movies to make money without DRM...
Music... it should be free, and the artists could probably make more on concerts and merchandising...
But movies... with our growing TV, and sound systems, there is much less incentive to go to the theater, but if we are all downloading the movie illegally for our living rooms, eventually the funds dry up to make those movies...
So if they keep DRM, it might be a necessary evil... now that doesn't mean the MPAA needs to be dicks about it... if I by a DVD, and want to place it on my computer, iPod, or PSP, they should be ok with it... in fact, why not include a version for each in pristine quality on the DVD... they give me an extra hour of the actors messing up, something I could care less about, give me something useful. The next gen format could easily hold a version for each, and if it had DRM, I would be ok, as long as it didn't interfere with me watching it. - Tomson74, on 12/28/2007, -0/+0i agree with you there. maybe i dont want to spend $50 for my wife and I to be in a crowded room, with strangers. If the movie is worth it, I will buy the DVD, if not, then I will not support it.
- Stolenflipflops, on 01/27/2008, -0/+0Q?
R? - Chunken, on 12/27/2007, -0/+0Well it seems like it didn't work anyway.
- sleepless, on 12/27/2007, -4/+4DRM or not. Those movies that are leaked online are not even worth pirating anymore. Why? Because they all suck.
The problem of piracy will resolve itself. Eventually, there won't be anything worth pirating. Much like homeland security. Why do you need an agency to protect the homeland when the land you are protecting people have no interest in coming. Pretty soon, it will just rot away. DRM is no different DHS. Just a job for those who have nothing else better to do and they do a great job at it. - lcmatt, on 12/27/2007, -2/+2So that's why screeners have been rare over the last couple of years, hopefully we might see a few more being "leaked" again.
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