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- gipp, on 03/23/2009, -5/+74I'm going to buck the trend and say that I loved the finale. Yes, the pan-up to "our Earth" was a bit of a shark-jumping moment, but they handled it pretty well, and to be honest, I can't think of another way to end it that would have been more satisfying. As far as the somewhat vague wrap-up to the religious themes (Kara, Head Baltar/Six, etc), were you expecting them to spell out what the "real" nature of the supernatural in the BSG universe was? That would have been far cheesier and less satisfying than the "mysterious" take.
- peppermd, on 03/23/2009, -4/+38It seems like a lot of fans are upset about Starbuck and her vanishing act. I thought it was rather awesome, and it left me with a lot of imagination. I don't think everything needs to be explained in order to get it.
Also, Roslin's death scene was very touching. I will admit that I cried like a little bitch.
"So...much...life..."
RIP Ultimate Cougar. - pathouston22, on 03/23/2009, -1/+22The trend is to love the finale. I'm reading Scifi.com forums right now.
Most of it was awesome. But not explaining who/what Starbuck is was BS. You just can't kill people then bring them back without an explanation. - Idgit, on 03/23/2009, -2/+19My whole problem with the finale is that i disagree with the whole premise that people would so willingly abandon everything just to start again from scratch. I mean we're talking hundreds if not thousands of years worth of medical advancement, history, and culture all gone because of some stupid whim. I just can't understand that logic.
- koonchu, on 03/23/2009, -2/+18We have to look at the BSG ending with some sort of bigger perspective. We can't judge it based on the expectations we had as fans of the show. The best we can do is compare it with the finales other shows have given us. How does it fare against the Sopranos ending? The ending of Alias? Prison Break? The Wire? MASH? Cheers?
Honestly, it was a fine ending in comparison. It gave us a true sense of closure. Which is more than I can say for alot of other finales.
I imagine that when Lost, Heroes, and 24 ends, we'll be alot kinder to BSG. - scootra, on 03/23/2009, -2/+16The ending wasn't perfect. But I felt very satisfied. I have no problem with the strong spiritual themes. As for not all of the questions being answered, I feel like they didn't have to answer every last one, but leave it up to the audience to draw their own conclusions. Anyway, I felt the ending lived up to the greatest sci-fi TV show ever.
- chocobomog, on 03/23/2009, -3/+17The biggest gripe about the finale is people, usually the anti-religious crowd, did not like the "God" aspect of it. Yet this series has had a religious theme in it since the first episode (and the 1978 series) and it is not like they did not foreshadow it (ex. the hybrids' prophecies).
This is a Science Fiction series which scientific and religious themes and their conflict with each other, and that is exactly what the last episode displayed. One of the overarching character arcs was the "angel's" (Head Six) conversion of a scientific cynic (Baltar) into a religious believer (his big speech) to save the entire human race. And it is not like they said their "God" is the Christian god that Digg often attacks. They never say what "God" is other than "it" doesn't like to be called "God".
If you want a rational explanation of the BSG "God" then his name is "Ronald Moore". He has orchestrated these people/clyons lives to reach a certain conclusion on new "Earth". He used his minions/writer who took the form of Head Baltar/Six to lead the characters to the final episode. He revived Starbuck so she could lead Galactica to Earth and then he made her disappear. He is the one who controlled everything, and he even appears in the final scene. Ronald Moore is "God" in the BSG universe and everything makes sense. - UselessTrivia, on 03/23/2009, -1/+14Those who have commented about "why did they give up everything?":
My take is that they had pretty much already lost everything. They had only their accumulated knowledge and little else. A few working starships and some books will not rebuild a technologically advanced society. They have a bunch of equipment that they probably know how to operate and repair, but extremely few actually knew how it worked.
Was there anyone who understood the science behind jump drives? Anyone that could build one from scratch even though they knew?
It was already gone, that's why it was an easy decision just to start over. All that technology would just remind them of what they had lost and make them lose sight of what they'd gained. - DrCyclops, on 03/23/2009, -1/+12What really bugged me was how they just glossed over the decision to become primitives.
"It's amazing that people were so amenable to giving up the few creature comforts we had left" or something to that effect. Yeah, amazing indeed, considering that for four seasons you couldn't get the Colonial fleet to agree on a damned thing. Just days before, in show time, there was a mutiny and the majority of the fleet was ready to bolt. But suddenly every single one of them is cool with throwing all of their liquor and cornerless books into the sun and trying to figure out how to build a cottage by hand in the Serengeti?
I didn't buy it. There wasn't one single person who said "***** that! I want indoor plumbing and antibiotics!" It was kind of jarring to see that in a series that, up to that point, had taken a very realistic approach toward people and their motivations (and their petty, self-destructive divisiveness even in dire circumstances). - jswalk195, on 03/23/2009, -0/+10I'm not afarid to admit it I totally cried when Roslin died but I don't think it was her death that brought on the water works. I think it was Adama's reaction when he realised she was, just the look on his face was heart breaking. The fact that Olmos has never been nominated for an emmy for this show is a frakkin crime.
- davebg8r, on 03/23/2009, -0/+9Im kinda torn on the finale. I thought it was stupid to just toss all the ships into the sun. Would have been a good idea to keep them around just in case.
For the simple living vs cities, why couldnt you do both? Have a simple farming society but have technological advances. By starting over you they set themselves up to have the same problems because they effectively erased their past. You cant learn from a past that youve erased.
And if the war was over, why couldnt they go back to the colonies and rebuild, new Caprica, or the planet that had the temple on it. And what about the people that were still on those planets, the rebels? Is the war over for them?
And one thing that really bothered me was Ellen. How did she resurrect? They had extra Ellen bodies lying around and waiting all this time? It just sat in that vat pruning for decades until she finally died? Maybe I ask too much. - mycoplasma, on 03/23/2009, -2/+11"I think you underestimate the desire to start over with a clean slate"
- PReitz, on 03/23/2009, -0/+9I was fairly satisfied with the ending. I think they flat out cheated with Kara. I'm OK with the Baltar/Six part, they left it to our imagination and that works. The only other question I have is why did Cavil decide to eat a bullet after fighting so hard for immortality?
- SKLOKAZOID, on 03/23/2009, -0/+8Because once Tory was killed by Tyrol, the secret to immortality was lost forever. They couldn't reproduce and he lost his last bargaining chip (he already handed Hera over at that point). He was done and he wanted to go out on his own terms as everyone was doomed anyway thanks to the nukes.
It was motivated, I thought. - Bamboolemur, on 03/23/2009, -1/+9I really wanted a conclusion to the whole Starbuck is the "harbinger of death" thing.
Other than that, I thought the finale was quiet bold and entertaining and generally awesome. - mycoplasma, on 03/23/2009, -0/+8I couldn't agree with you more. What frustrates me most about all the people attacking the show for it's religious ending is the fact that they don't seem to realize that it's science FICTION. You don't have to believe in God to enjoy the show.
- tehnico, on 03/23/2009, -0/+7Re: adama wanting to get hera back. What else you gonna do? That was my take, one last hurrah and go out in a blaze of glory cus it's all you ever knew. And anyone else who wants to give one last middle finger to the cylons is free to enlist.
- Shakermaker, on 03/23/2009, -1/+8I thought there were a couple of things that could have been explained more (like why the heck Adama was gambling EVERYTHING on getting Hera back), but all in all I thought it was a fantastic (and sometimes very moving) end to a fantastic series.
There's always going to be the cool people saying "it sucked", some people you just can't please, but I thought it was some brilliant writing. IMO it was one of the best episodes of BSG in a long time (and that is saying something). - inactive, on 03/23/2009, -0/+7What about the hover bikes in the old series when they found earth had hover bikes. I remember that because I wanted one when I was a kid watching that.. none to be found in the new one
- balla786, on 03/23/2009, -3/+10I loved the series finale!
- slightlyoffbeat, on 03/23/2009, -0/+7I have a feeling that when LOST ends...it'll set the bar.....feel free to disagree.
Also did Prison Break end? or did it just sorta fizzle out.
I look at the list you made, and the only ending I truly enjoyed was the MASH series finale. - akamurph, on 03/23/2009, -0/+7Actually, they probably said "Frak that".
- IphtashuFitz, on 03/23/2009, -0/+6I liked the idea of burning up all the ships. For one thing it prevents anybody from trying to continue the series at a later time. Why would you want to keep them around? The only other planets they know about are 4 years away and have all been nuked. The Galactica was already effectively destroyed. And after 4 years living in what is effectively a tin can turned into a refugee camp I bet none of the survivors would have been all that disappointed about the choice.
As far as cities vs. simple living, keep in mind that there were already nomadic humans living around there at that time. You've probably seen all those various Star Trek episodes that warn against introducing modern technology to pre-technology populations.
The war may be over but the planets were still nuked. My guess is that the cylons could handle the radiation levels but humans wouldn't be able to, except in the few remote places where the resistance were found. Besides, Cylon centurions were likely still hunting them. As far as the planet with the temple goes - it was destroyed by the supernova. And "New Caprica" sucked compared with the new earth they eventually found.
Ellen resurrected exactly like all the other cylons before the resurrection ship was destroyed. Go back and watch the episode where she finally reappeared and keep an eye on the times shown in flashbacks. It was all pretty much resurrection-as-normal at that point. - aduzik, on 03/23/2009, -0/+6And there was no debate at all. Cripes, every little decision has been contentious in this show, and now the biggest decision of all, to abandon all their technology, is met with no resistance? Not everyone bought into the "All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again" philosophy, and you'd expect them to resist that idea quite fervently.
- superkendall, on 03/23/2009, -2/+8I totally agree, I thought the finale was fine. A little long in some parts, but otherwise about the best ending it could have had.
- peppermd, on 03/23/2009, -0/+6Because he hated humans so much that he would rather die by the hands of cylon/himself.
- adml_shake, on 03/23/2009, -0/+5In case of what? The only ship combat capable was Galactica and she had fought her last fight at the cylon colony. And having those ships in orbit or building a city would have been a dead give away for any cylons left over that were still looking for a fight. With the plan they chose, had anyone showed up it would have just looked like some primative humans walking around.
I can understand why the decided to ditch the tech. It was hard enough to keep things running in the 4 years they were on the ships. They just didn't have the infrastructure or means to keep their current level of tech. I doubt they lived like the humans they saw walking around, but it was fairly primative to what they were used to.
My question is what did they do with the ships they (raptors, vipers) took down to the planet. I wondered if they might have found some peices of one at some point and time (I doubt there would have been one left intact). - inactive, on 03/23/2009, -0/+5Considering a "shark jumping" implies that it's the peak from which the show goes downhill, where everything after it sucks, I'm not concerned, as it was the last episode. There are no further episodes to go bad.
- Akairenn, on 03/23/2009, -2/+7Okay, I'll bite, since I just finished rewatching Babylon 5 again. Do yourself a favor. Watch B5. You can even skip through some of the few stand-alone episodes if you want. And start from season 2, even. Just make it through the series, and watch Sleeping in Light.
And try and tell me with a straight face that you can seriously compare BSG's finale with its like.
The BSG finale had but three redeeming features: Plenty of action, Roslin finally biting it, and the fact that - hey, at least it wasn't quite as bad as Season 3. I can forgive the ending a lot based on the first two. But toward the end, it descended into tripe. I mean - seriously, Cavil just mysteriously has an out of character change of heart? Baltar ends the man/Cylon wars while spewing nonsense? At *CAVIL*?
Okay - in fairness, Tyrol kind of ruined the peace a few minutes later, which was an awesome, completely in character response - but still. The events leading up to that beautiful moment in television were utter crap.
When the credits finally started to roll, frankly, it felt like the writers paid no attention to the episode's length and suddenly realized that they were out of time to explain several major plot points. Loose ends are fine - loose ends where major plot WTFs are involved are certainly not. - chocobomog, on 03/23/2009, -0/+5I think Destroytoy is talking about the movie "remake" being written now. Probably doesn't realize there was a '70s series which was the "original" that we are talking about.
Or he is insane. Whichever works. - thcobbs, on 03/23/2009, -1/+6@Bamboolemur
She led them to the end of the human race as they knew it. And since her task was done, she was gone. I guess she could also be considered a Prometheus figure that brought enlightenment to (E/e)arth. - SpectreFire, on 03/23/2009, -1/+6Especially after being stuck on ships being chased by killer robots for 4 years straight. Given the chance to throw that all away and live peacefully on solid clean land.
It's not such a hard premise to swallow. - FallenTurtles, on 03/23/2009, -6/+11I was expecting a show that dealt with man's triumphs/failures/reliance on technology/overcoming of personal dilemmas for the greater good to come down to something more than "God did it."
I need to watch the finale again, but my first impression was mostly just making me constipated. - bpwned, on 03/23/2009, -2/+6The Raptor wasn't BSG's version of the Colonial Shuttle. The Colonial Shuttle was.
- bjenidles, on 03/23/2009, -4/+8LOL, I don't think "God did it" is above anyone's level of understanding.
- GREEDOnvrFIRED, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4I disagree. It seemed to me that they had kept all of their manufacturing, and science quite up to date. Why else would people be so willing to smash glasses in anger. Burn books and paper. Rosyln throws away painkillers and cancer treatment drugs like they are tic-tacs. People joy-ride in ships. Throw or throw away food and drink. Paint is wasted, paper wasted, glass wasted, food wasted, water wasted, drugs wasted. And Galactica was as beat up as a ship can be and yet the MGM was working quite well... That would be the Magic Gravity Maker.
Hey, I enjoyed the series and the finale. But lets be honest, having serious conversations about their technology doesn't make much sense when the show completely ignored any rational explanation of how they were pulling off the whole ragtag fugitive fleet thing. - Spetz, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4That's a good take, I like it. My reasoning was that they just wanted a break from all of that - they just wanted to be free. I think I like yours better, however.
- Stormwern, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4The old centurions may be shinier, but they're not 10ft tall with machine guns for arms.
- mythicflux, on 03/23/2009, -3/+7Google: Ship of Lights.
Simple explanation for how they could have explained everything involving the religious tones of the show (polytheism vs monotheism). Inhead six and baltar could have been from a race of beings that were the original Lords of Kobal. An ancient race that acted as Gods to the colonies who rebelled against them thousands of years ago and forgot. Then the same thing happened between the colonies and their 'children' the cylons thousands of years later. Thus creating the 'this has happened before and will happen again' cycle.
Starbuck could have been resurrected by this race to get humans to Earth proper.
(Hell I would have had the Cylons get resurrection tech from a rouge member of that species who convinced the cylons he was god and had them wipe out humanity as an act of revenge for the rebellion thousands of years prior. Then end it with the Cylons and Humans both realizing they'd been suckered and work towards peace). - Shakermaker, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4I kind of thought that too - the Galactica was dying, they were going to die out in space or whatever - so why not go out with one last hurrah...and try to take some Cylons with them....
- mbraynard, on 03/23/2009, -2/+6That is what is known as a 'you' problem.
- SpectreFire, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4It was also pretty funny. Just the way he said it.
- TCSavant, on 03/23/2009, -6/+10The series took on an entirely different feel towards the end. The beginning of the series caught me with all the action and raw emotion. The ending didn't feel inspired. Plus, the writers were irresponsible with the Thrace character. After the final episode was over, I can't bring myself to want to buy this season on DVD.
It just didn't work for me. - Paulish, on 03/23/2009, -0/+4"You just can't kill people then bring them back without an explanation."
They did. Wacha gonna do about it? What now?! - charmaniac, on 03/24/2009, -0/+3Loved the finale. I can't think of a show that ended on a better note or was more well written, acted and produced than BSG. Hell, you even got Starbuck making a reference to coffee. President Roslin hooks up with one of her former students (btw she looked pretty hot in that scene for an older lady). Lee went to climb mountains. Baltar and Six finally hooked up for realz. What else do you need guys?
Also, Tricia Helfer might have started her career as a model, but she is clearly an excellent actress. I am so glad the producers took a chance on her. - Bamboolemur, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3I agree with the angels thing. It helps to explain Starbuck's dissapearance at the end. But the fact remains that she was the "harbinger of death." I need closure!
- Protoss, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3The entire show was about the characters, RDM said it himself.
- inactive, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3Starbuck is not a Ghost. She is a Ninja.
Also Dugg for the Cougar. Given a choice Roslin is at 2 after Caprica on my list. - Dino451, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3I liked the new series and the ending. Going to miss it.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/24/2009, -0/+3The ending was awesome.
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